Debunking Dispensationalism | God Divorcing Israel
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- There are not two separate tracks of God’s redemptive work in the world: one for Israel and another for Gentiles. God divorced Israel according to the flesh. There is now only one true Israel in accordance with the promise. Subscribe to our CZcams channel for more content like this!
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I was dispy for 20 years before I embraced reformation. For these last ten years i have been unlearning all the dispensational meatloaf I was fed in those first 2 decades. That foul doctrine leaves the christian, at least in my case, a spiritual schizophrenic where you don't know which scriptures are meant for the christian, and which are meant for the jew. It is also a system that gives you no assurance, saved one day but lost the next, over and over. I was told that Calvinists had horns and were destined for hell. But then one day I read a book by AW Pink and realised I was in doctrinal darkness. Pink led me to the reformers and puritans, even the dreaded Calvin, and the most wonderful thing is that Grace became real for the first time in my salvation. There is no sweeter word in existence than grace.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
I love AW pink. What book are you referring too? I’ve read attributes of God, 7 sayings on the cross, and will be starting the sovereignty of God shortly.
It was simply titled "The sovereignty of God". I cannot remember the publisher off hand as I no longer have that book (paperback deterioration), but the forward by whoever did publish that particular printing was just mind blowing for me and made me want to read the book, thank You Lord.
What a wonderful story of grace! R C Sproul’s ‘Chosen by God’ was my introduction into the Truth of Reformation theology…
Meat loaf is good food; a better analogy for dispensationalism would be soy burgers.
My question is why did God make the old covenent if he knew that he would divorce them. God told abraham that it was eternal
God didn’t form the Mosaic (old) covenant under Abraham, he formed it under Moses. Abraham looked forward towards Christ, the grace of God, to be saved.
@@amazingjablesIndeed, the Israelites wih Moses 'corrected' God's terms for them, when he asked them to continue Abraham's faith. Abraham experienced the new, the everlasting covenant, for he believed God and obeyed his promise, amen.
Istead, the Israelites said: "All that the Lord has said, we will do." A recipe for disaster...., after which God had to restore the old ways which work.
Indeed, they worked individually, for David & Jonathan and all the other named & unnamed heros of faith.
It was part of God's plan.
Why did God plant the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden, and command him not to eat from it, knowing that Adam would disobey?
Because the Tree is a symbol of the Law. It is the Law that gives us a knowledge of good and evil. Apart from it we would not know what sin was.
Unfortunately, the Law makes nothing perfect and can't bring the righteousness that it would seem to give..
So why was it given?
Paul says that the law was given as a tutor to lead Israel to Christ. It was given to reveal the sinful nature of man. Paul says that apart from the law, sin lies dead. But when the commandment comes, sin springs to life, revealing the true rebellious nature of the flesh.
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me" Rom 7.
If you look at the history of Israel under the law, what do you find? Utter rebellion such that God declared Israel to be worse than the nations around them.
"Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.
And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them" Ez 5.
The Old Covenant was not eternal because it was a conditional covenant which depended of the obedience of Israel. They disobeyed and were condemned to death by that same covenant. Eternal covenants can only be made with those who live forever. They can't be made with men of flesh who die. (Heb 7).
The covenant given at Sinai, was a MARRIAGE covenant, whereby God promised to live by the conditions that He set. In Jeremiah God promised Israel and Judah a NEW covenant, not like the old which they broke, "though I was a Husband to them."
"Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" Jer 31.
Notice that under this New Covenant, He would remember their sin no more.
In order to understand what God is doing, one must understand covenants.
The Mosaic Covenant was a marriage covenant that God made with Israel. A marriage covenant is only in effect UNTIL someone dies.
"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God" Rom 7.
The Law of Moses was a conditional covenant, which is in effect only until the husband died. Who was Israel's Husband? Christ.
The Covenant given to Abraham was an UNCONDITIONAL covenant, an ETERNAL promise given by God who cannot lie.
That covenant was a Will and Testament, a promise of an INHERITANCE.
When does a Will go into effect? Only upon the death of the Testator. Who was the Testator? Christ.
So we see two things happening here. Jesus' death on the cross accomplished TWO THINGS for Israel.
First, His death NULLIFIED the Law of Commandments that CONDEMNED them.
Second, His death RATIFIED the Covenant of Promise, whereby the inheritance is given to them.
Paul tells us that by FAITH we are united with Christ by the Spirit. "Having believed we are marked IN HIM..." Eph 2.
What this means is that when Jesus went to the cross, WE went with Him. We died WITH Him. Not only THAT, but we have been RAISED UP with Him in His resurrection.
That is why Paul can say,
"I have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; NOT I, but Christ lives in me, and the life Is live I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me."
That is why Paul can say,
"We have died and our life is now hid with Christ in God."
So Israel was effective PUT TO DEATH by the law, and RAISED UP as a new creation in Christ by the Spirit.
And that is why Paul can say, "If any man is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old is gone and the new has come."
How can He say this?
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord" Rom 8.
So the Law of Moses was given in order that Israel might be PUT TO DEATH, for those who have died are free from the dominion of sin. Through death, the sinful nature is put to death.
The New Covenant was given in order that we may be MADE ALIVE by the PROMISED Holy Spirit, made into NEW creations in Christ.
Many people are under the assumption that we are saved by being forgiven. This is false. We are saved by being made ALIVE. Though we have the promise and hope of salvation, NONE are yet saved. Salvation is not complete until the resurrection of the body.
"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection..." Rom 6:5.
This is the Gospel. In Christ we died and are made alive. This is the hope of ALL men, INCLUDING the nation of Israel.
Dispensationalism obscures this hope, claiming that Israel's hope is not the resurrection, but a thousand years of living in corruptible bodies, worshiping in a temple made with hands.
Even Abraham understood what Dispensationalists do not.
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God" Heb 11.
That city with FOUNDATIONS is described in Revelation 21 and Hebrews 12:22-24.
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband...
"And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel...
"And the wall of the city had twelve FOUNDATION, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."
"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."
"Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city" Heb 11.
To be continued...
Continued...
Dispensationalist claim that if God doesn't fulfill the literal earthly promises made to Israel, then He would not be faithful to His promise.
If I promised you a thousand dollars and instead gave you a million, would I not be fulfilling my promise?
In the same way, God promised Abraham and his seed a land "as far as the eye can see."
Did God fulfill his promise?
Not really.
"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some BETTER thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect" Heb 11.
You see, the promises made to Abraham were given to men of flesh, men who die. They cannot by nature be eternal promises. The flesh counts for nothing. What counts is a new creation.
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" Rom 8:19-21
"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" II Cor 5:16-17.
Jesus said that unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. It is only by being IN CHRIST, being born of the Spirit, that one can see the Kingdom. Only by being IN CHRIST can we inherit the land of Promise.
"For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith" Rom 4:13.
The promise was made to Abraham's SEED.
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ" Gal 3:16.
Abraham's SEED is Christ. All others violated the Sinai Covenant and were cut off.
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" Gal 3:29.
All who are of faith are counted as SEED.
"Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed" Rom 9:8.
Israel of flesh are not counted as seed. Only a remnant of faith are counted as the seed of Abraham, and the children of God.
"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together" Rom 8:17.
Jesus fulfilled the law, conquered sin and death, and was given all authority in heaven and earth. He is the inheritor of ALL THINGS, both in heaven and earth and under the earth. In Him and through Him we inherit the world. He is the SEED to whom the promise referred. He is the one who has inherited, not only the land, but ALL things, and He is the one who blessed the nations (Eph 1) by sharing the inheritance with His people.
My question is, Why would God give Israel a corruptible earthly kingdom, when an eternal Kingdom is available for them now and at Christ's coming? Why give them something imperfect, when perfect has come? Why, after the resurrection, when our bodies are glorified and made perfect, would He leave Israel in mortal bodies?
Why, when we are resurrected at the last day, is Israel left in mortality for a thousand years more?
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly" I Cor 15.
Does Israel not deserve to bear the image of the heavenly? When do they find rest from their labors? (Rev 14:13).
"...God having provided some BETTER thing for us, THAT THEY WITHOUT US should NOT be made perfect" Hebrews 11:40.
What was the hope of the fathers?
What was the hope of Israel?
“And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews” Acts 26:2-7.
“For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain” Act 28:20.
Why was Paul being judged and why was he in chains?
Because of the GOSPEL.
Covenant theology believes in a God who breaks his promises, there is no other explaination. Then they lie and claim that dispensationalists claim that Jews will be saved by temple worship and not by Christ. Covenant theology is the belief of the Catholic church and the Jehovahs Witnesses, not thru Bible believing Christians.
At two minutes and 34 seconds you claim there is only "one Israel and its the church." How do you define "all Israel" in Romans 11:26? How can "all Israel" be the church since they are regarded by Paul as being enemies of the gospel just two verses later (Rom. 11:28)? Can the church be an enemy of the gospel?
It literally says, until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Yes, but the remnant of the Jews that will come in after that will all be part of the church. Ultimately you need to believe in Jesus. There's only one church and everyone who believes is part of that. There will be no longer jew or gentile, etc etc
The idea of a covenant means that God will keep it no matter what. God said that he would redeem israel for the sake of His name, not because they were faithful. The book of Hosea shows how God felt about Israel and it completely rejects what you say.
Hosea is pre-Christ.
@xrpeacemaker6437 Yes, But God's promises do not change. If God could change his promises to israel, Then He could change promises to us.
You are correct, the promise to Abraham was forever.
@@mak88119and we (through Christ) are the actual children of Abraham
@@ORaddlyispissedoff The promise to Abraham was for a physical land. Unless you are saying that this land is for us, believers of Jesus Christ. If you read the remaining of chapter 15 you'll notice, God had a covenant with a sleeping Abraham. This is not how covenants are made. Second, there are exact prophecies there that were fulfilled only with Israel. Don't get wrong brother, but I'm not a westerner and the idea of Isreal having the land is not something I like in the flesh. But that's God's promise. Now, the plan of salvation is the same for both, but God's promise won't change.
Genesis 15:17-18 NASB
It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces. [18] On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “ To your descendants t I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:
Yeah, but spoiler alert, God takes her back:
“And the Lord said to me, “Faithless Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah. Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the Lord. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the Lord; I will not be angry forever. Only acknowledge your guilt, that you rebelled against the Lord your God and scattered your favors among foreigners under every green tree, and that you have not obeyed my voice, declares the Lord. Return, O faithless children, declares the Lord; for I am your master; I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. “‘And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding. And when you have multiplied and been fruitful in the land, in those days, declares the Lord, they shall no more say, “The ark of the covenant of the Lord.” It shall not come to mind or be remembered or missed; it shall not be made again. At that time Jerusalem shall be called the throne of the Lord, and all nations shall gather to it, to the presence of the Lord in Jerusalem, and they shall no more stubbornly follow their own evil heart. In those days the house of Judah shall join the house of Israel, and together they shall come from the land of the north to the land that I gave your fathers for a heritage.”
Jeremiah 3:11-18
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Fulfilled in the New Covenant with the original disciples being the remnant. There's nothing future in this regard. Did you learn this stuff from another teacher? Would you have come to that conclusion on your own? No. It has to be indoctrinated.
@@JayJayPee123 Totally wrong. You guys all have the law confused with the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants. God clearly states in Psalm 89 that He will never break or alter His covenant with David.
”If his children forsake my law, And walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, Nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, And his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, And as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.“
Psalm 89:30-37
You all are just conflating the law, which Jesus fulfilled at His first coming, with the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants, which will be fulfilled at Jesus’ second coming when He establishes the kingdom.
@@JayJayPee123uh… no. If Revelation isn’t enough for you given the OT cross references, literally read Romans 11. Paul reiterates the fact that the physical seed of Abraham will be saved in the future.
We are the heirs to the promise and that is written in galatians@@PD-iu9bn
Ethinic Israel no longer exists. Deuteronomy 28 was fulfilled in 70AD this they were dispersed throughout the Roman empire, ethnically mixed amoung the nations and their ancestoral documents destroyed.
Facts
yep watching a softcore dispensationalist attempting to rebuke traditional dispensational is just funny
Absolutely. Anything else is anathema.
God’s Old Testament promises to Israel don’t change.
God promised the land of Israel to the Jews but allowed them to be conquered first by the Babylonians & then the Persians
@@sgabigyou are absolutely correct.
You're right but were they already fulfilled Jesus was the final fulfillment and they rejected him
@@shanemcguire5347 every single promise was fulfilled?
Not changed but fulfilled.
Just curious.......where in the minor prophets does it say that God divorced Israel? I can't seem to find those verses. I'd also be interested in your opinion of Ezekiel 36:16-38.
The only place I think he is referencing is Jeremiah 3. But it’s only in reference to the northern kingdoms exile. But clearly states after He will restore them when they turn back to Him and speaks of a future time of blessing them. This man is preaching heresies and is best not to listen to him. He’s spreading lies that will be used to justify “scattering Israel among the nations” one more time. It has to happen one last time right before Jesus returns. Ezekiel 36-37 clearly contradict what he’s teaching but they just allegorize everything. Church is never referred to as Israel. We are one flock when Israel is grafted back into belief. But the Jews that believed in Christ are now the church the same as we are. There is no distinction per galations 3:28. But Roman’s 11 clearly speaks of a remnant of unbelieving Jews that repent when Christ returns to fulfill what every single OT proohet wrote about. Israel is specifically Jacob’s descendants. We are all children of Abraham together and grafted into the same promises made to Israel through the promise to Abraham but we are not Israel. It’s no random coincidence the nation of Israel was reformed nearly 2000 years after being dispersed and still remains a Jewish state. All the day of the Lord prophecies revolve around Jerusalem when they get invaded and scattered 3.5 years before Christ returns and restore the nation back to Him when they repent. How anyone can get around this in Bible prophecy is baffling to me. But modern day dispensationalism goes too far as well separating the church and Israel so much they claim certain NT books are only for the Jews and some for the church. That is also utter nonsense. You have two errors attacking each other here and neither are true, but they use the lies in the others argument to make their case.
How about Babylon the harlot and her fall in Revelation ? Why is a "New Jerusalem" called the bride of the Lamb of God did not divorce adulterous Jerusalem ?
@@framboise595 it only says new Jerusalem is adorned like a bride. He makes all things new at that point. No more death no more pain no more sin. There is an element of those things still present on earth when Christ returns and reigns from Jerusalem. You can read all about that reign in the OT prophets. Lots of information. But this guy will just say it’s allegory. Scripture says he renews the covenant with Israel when He returns. Where are you finding he permanently divorces Jerusalem?
@@kingsolomon3175
Because old Jerusalem (Babylon the harlot , the unfaithful wife) has been replaced with the New Jerusalem .
@@framboise595 Jerusalem is not the harlot in revelation that doesn’t even make sense. Why would it be a mystery city in the future called Babylon the great. You don’t think John would’ve recognized it as Jerusalem? Babylon and Jerusalem are not the same. Jesus returns to Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem is 1000 years after that event. And it’s not because he’s divorcing old Jerusalem. He’s just making everything new like he’s promised from the beginning. It seems like y’all are trying really hard to justify modern day Israel as completely irrelevant so you can justify its invasion and attack them as apostates.
I thought it was Matt Walsh speaking in the thumbnail lol... I guess I'll still watch this
This guy is more based, just less sarcastic
hard to find this kind of preaching.....I agree totally with Joel
Yes, this kind of preaching seeks for Jesus now, instead of just Jerusalem, someday.
After all, Jesus is the victor over evil and living by his faith is our victory each day, amen.
Sir
If God gave up ALL HIS promises to HIS saints in the past Israel then HE would HAVE to give up on us
We are failures just as Israel was
We are all human failure
Very good point...
Right, hence Jesus came to fulfill the law. There's no second track to salvation based on ethnicity. This is made clear in 1 John 2:22.
There's a difference between falling short because of sin, and turning away from God. The Israelites in the OT repeatedly turned to idolatry.
@@etheretherether --- Israel was just like us --- all have sinned --- we all love idolatry. God's not shocked that we are sinners. That's why HE sent HIS SON to go to that awful cross and take my entire entire sin debt. Paul WAS the apostle of the gentiles ---- God chose him for that -- amen
he gave up no promises. He Fullfilled them by sending the Promised Messiah so that Isreal would believe in him and have everlasting life. And they did: All the first members of the church were Isrealites (Peter, Paul, Mark, Luke, John, the 3000 converted at Pentacost etc). Gentiles were grafted in later. God fulllfilled many Promises in Johua 22: 43-45 . It says very plainly all his promises were completed.
God had disclaimers for his word. IF they believed! Bible says the kingdom was taken and given to a new nation.
If ANYONE says their eschatology is 100% spot on they are either ignorant or proud or both. Solid brothers and sisters can disagree on it.
@djake
Prideful. That is definitely this case. Watch his other videos, he thinks that Postmillenialism is the reason for everything good, and compares it to Dispensationalism as two systems, which kind of tells you all you need to know. Dispensationalism is a system of Theology. Postmillenialism is a system of Eschatology. When you make such a basic error and then you produce hours and hours of videos based on it... 🤦
Unless or until it is proven wrong
@@luboshcamber1992 watch him debate L. Flowers (Remnant Radio) on Calvinism and he actually says "Jesus was not being very help here" with regard to a verse that did not buttress his position!!! "From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Dogmatic arrogance. IMO.
I would agree, eschatology is not worth breaking fellowship over… Up to a point. However, when someone's eschatology becomes Israel centred rather than Christ centred, I start drawing some lines in the sand.
At my church, after many services, alot of people I was close with would always just talk about Israel in the news. It was becoming so annoying... and I was even a Zionist at that time! Haha.@@milanka882
I am a baptist, but out of context the phrase "Which is why, or better or worse I am still a baptist, like Martin Luther. 'Here I stand, I can do no other. So help me God.'" 😂
Let God be true, and every man a liar
where is the full sermon of this video?
This was very helpful and Biblical. Romans 9:6-9..
*_God Bless_*
The seed of Abraham is Christ not Judah or Jews. Anyone who is in Christ is the Israel of God. Period. Very simple.
Who was Judah's great grandfather?
@@lufesaro7741 how are you people so confused about this? Either Israel is a race, nation, spiritual covenant, or whatever. Dunno how the identity of an entity can be so mysterious yet have such a ridiculously devout following.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 I'm confused by your statement. Are you advocating replacement theology?
@@lufesaro7741 am I or is God? It’s literally written that if you believe then you’re a child of God. Dunno why you think a persons genes would give them any favoritism in t eyes of the almighty creator of everything. Why did he create the remaining 99.99999999999999% of humans then, so they could suffer for an unlimited time in hell? Please tell me how this is logical even with twisted scriptures.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Well that's the thing, I would consider myself a dispensationalist. But I never believed nor was I taught that God pkays favoritism nor that God has separate plans for gentiles and jews. He has had always one plan through Jesus Christ.
So, yes it says that God divorced Israel (Jeremiah 3:8-10 - I added this Joel does not cite his "OT prophets), BUT what Joel does not say is what happens next - surprise God's Mercy Jeremiah 3:12)."Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever."
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! (Romans 11:11-12, ESV)
Yep. And Paul gives himself as an example of how God is keeping his covenants with Israel. He NEVER mentions ethic Israel returning to the land and rebuilding the temple.
Paul essentially says, "How do we know that God is keeping his covenants to Israel? Let me give you an example, I'm a Jew, and I'm in Christ. The gentiles coming into faith is causing Jews jealousy. Through this process (which is currently occurring) many (not all) Jewish people will come to faith as well. In this fashion, all those who are the true believing Israel will be saved."
The jealousy and believing of Jews is NOT some future one time event according to Paul. It is not some sort of separate plan for the Jews that includes a future land return nor stone temple. All Israel being saved is something that has been occurring since 30AD, and will continue until the resurrection.
The belief of the Jews is NO different than the gentiles and is not happening at some special future moment apart from the "church age".
Not one single New Testament apostle ever tells Jews to hope for a future land or temple outside of the "heavenly city" of the church and the "true temple" of Christ. Read Hebrews and Galatians.
Any hope for a physical Jerusalem or physical temple is the true "Replacement Theology". To replace Christ with a land, city and temple is the same blasphemy that destroyed the chief priests in 70AD.
@yourgraceisenough100 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
@@khaccanhle1930 Paul simply stated that all the promises that were made to Israel would be fulfilled, or by chance is God a liar? For God specifically promised those people that he would fulfill the promises that were made by himself in the old testament.
Rom 11:25-26,29: "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: … For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."
@@alexandreperusio1303 again, you miss the boat. It says in the Bible that, "All the promises of God are 'yes' and 'Amen' in Christ."
Notice it did NOT mention the promises fulfilled through a physical temple nor an ethnic group. Look at how often the Messianic Prophecies are referred to by the apostles as bring fulfilled in THEIR time by Christ. (not to be future fulfilled through some physical Israel). Again, your blind loyalty to 19th century Dispensational fallacies causes you to completely miss this. You didn't even address what u mentioned about Galatians or Hebrews, not that I expect you to. I was once the same as you. But reading good Christian thinkers pre-19th century broke that. Stop seeing the plan of God the same way that got the Pharisees cursed in the first century.
Stop worshipping the things of this world, (physical temple, nation, city, etc.)
@@khaccanhle1930 In Ezekiel 40-48 God gives 8 chapters of specific details about a future temple that will exist in the "thousand year" reign of Christ on earth and where the saved tribes of Israel will be positioned around it. The promises made to (faithful) Abraham about the land were unconditional.
Such spiritual blindness to what God is doing in the world today. Such pride. Such denial that the root supports the church....still. "The children are beloved for the fathers' sake." Hebrews 11
Yes the root does, but who is the root of faith, it's Abraham isn't it. And the bible says that all who believe by faith are the seed of Abraham
What about when Christ descends to free captives? Trying to comprehend what was done there. Thanks in advance.
100% I praise God He led me out of this borderline heretical ideology.
Amen brother Jay! I praise God with you
It's beyond borderline. It IS heresy in my opinion. I also praise the Lord He led me out of it too!
The ruse is up.
It is written:
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
A few short verses after saying that he gave Israel a bill of divorcement, he declares he is married to her (and will take her back).
Do you see what happens when you read his word without the leading of the Spirit?
The old cov was not capable or intended to save those under it. It was a system of types and shadows pointing to Christ in the New Cov.
i guess i dont understand the divorce part ive always believed that Jesus was the fulfillment of the covenant with Abraham paid in full and all who came before were led into heaven by Jesus at the ascension and all those who rejected Jesus after were not of the promise of the old covenant
“If ye have heard of the 👉dispensation👈 of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.”
Ephesians 3:2-7 KJV
That analogy of the Hero UPS Driver tracking people down all over the earth was great. LOL
haha 😂
Wrestling through the Baptist vs Presbyterian views on the covenant and while I don't necessarily land on either side, this clip does show a concern I have with the Baptist view (I was raised Baptist). He still (along with the dispensational) seems to make a hard line distinction between the old covenant people of God and the new. My question is simple, are all the people of God saved by Grace through Faith in Christ alone? Or are old covenant people saved another way? If one says, "Grace through Faith in Christ alone" then you are forced to find continuity with the old covenant people. If one says "old covenant people are saved differently" then you are a dispensational. Am I missing something here? I can also see the Baptists point on Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 just to be clear.
All saved people were saved one way: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. However, Old Testament saints were not saved under the Old Covenant. They were saved during the time of the Old Covenant, but “under” (or by) the New Covenant (retroactively applied). Lest we forget, “Christ was slain before the foundation of the world.”
@@RightResponseMinistries are you referring to Rev 13:8 with your quote there or some other passage? If it is Rev13:8 can you speak to any difference between “from” and “before” that seem to be the choices of different translations?
@@jilesherron I'm not sure why it would matter. "Before" implies before God even began creating. "From" would imply that maybe at the latest God decided at the end of day 3, as you can look at creation days 1-3 as the foundation for what he completes in days 4-6. Either way, it's part of God's plan before he even creates man and the fall.
@@oracleoftroy I suppose you could choose day 3 as a point of foundation of everything else, I have just seen in other passages (esp John 1), where the word “world” is not limited in its cinematic range to only mean the physical earth. With this in mind, would you see a problem with the fall itself is being considered as the “foundation of the world“?
@@jilesherron I guess I'd rather people just define what they mean by "foundation". I tend to view it as a construction term, like the foundation of a house. I don't see how one builds a foundation after the rest of the house is completed and then rots. It has to be built before the rest of the house or else the house won't have a foundation at all.
Looking at strongs, the word used in Eph 1: 4 is καταβολῆς (katabolēs) and defined as "From kataballo; a deposition, i.e. Founding; figuratively, conception." It's hard to see how one can defend that a fully formed earth is in view if it is about the time of the conception of the world.
not all of them saw it though, right? like this was years later
I don't know all the ins and outs of Christian Theological argument but if the people he has supposedly favored go round committing genocide then I reckon they gotta get pulled up for it or else what kind of God is He????? If there is an eternal covenant with these people then does that mean they can do what they want? The message of Christ was Love thy Neighbour not blow him to kingdom come wasn't it? So I think there has to be some consistency between the teaching and the actions.
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
This conversation has merit, however, this is tertiary. How are we saved? How do we then live? Those are the two more preeminent (primary and secondary) issues. This content matters, truly. The issue is that there is nothing that will bewilder a new Christian more than seminarian terminological debates.
What’s better about the new covenant……is that the handwriting of ordinances that was contrary to us has been taken out of the way…..and nailed to the cross.
Shhh, don't talk too loudly about that. The theonomists will get upset.
@@Razaiel -- Just because we are no longer under God's condemnation for our failure to perfectly keep His Law does not mean that we have no connection at all to that Law. It still serves as our standard for determining right and wrong, for knowing what sort of behavior pleases God, and what displeases Him.
When was the "handwriting of ordinances" against us? Are you a Jew under the Law in the churches in Acts? Or, a God-fearing Greek allowed int the synagogues in the first century because they blessed Israel like Cornelius did? Because our spiritual ancestors, the pagans that were finally eligible for salvation after Acts 28, were never given any laws or ordinances but simply exhorted to walk worthy of the free gift of Ephesians 2:8 & 9, although it was not a condition for salvation.
Psalm 119 proclaims you to be wrong. Solomon, in Proverbs, reveals the Torah to be "The Tree of Life" from Eden.
@@yabits Everything in Psalms was for the nation of Israel - the Israel that no longer exists!
There is a remarriage for Israel following the divorce. Hosea 2:2 shows the divorce, however, Hosea 2:19-20 shows the remarriage. Hosea ends with the Lord demonstrating His mercy and forgiveness to an unfaithful wife, Hosea 14:4, "I will heal their apostasy, I will love them freely, for My anger has turned away from them." Also Isaiah 62:4-4 (verse 12 clearly equates the land with the people) refer to the same thing.
Don’t tell this to idol worshippers of modern pagan state Israel
Like John Hagee.
Perhaps some verses from scripture could help your explanation
Wonder why he doesn’t cite much scripture to support his theology?
@@crownofthorns99 because it's not scriptural. You have to read into it things that are no there.
💪Amen!
Plus Acts 3 "disagrees" that Jesus Christ will have to come back to rule over nuked rubble and demolishes the pre-millennial fantasy....
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the Heaven must receive
🫱until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Jesus never claimed he was coming back to rule and reign "before" things were consummated.
The new covenant covenant is better because it writes laws on believers hearts and empowers with the Holy Spirit.
Something that has stood out to me in my reading through the Bible (specifically OT) is that God has always allowed the Gentiles! (That's a greek word.. a similar OT word may be 'foreigner' or 'sojourner').
Two well known examples are Ruth and Rahab. Neither of them were native born Isrealites, and they are Jesus's ancestors.
God has always been in the business of grafting people in who are willing to follow Him! See also Jonah and the Ninevites.
I like a lot of what Paster Joel has to say, but this one is unbiblical. Nowhere does it say that everyone under the Old Covenant went to hell. Do you really think John the Baptist, Job, Abraham... went to hell?
When Jesus came, he sought out the Jews. Even when a Canaanite came asking for help, he sad he came "only for the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 15:22-28). He was gracious to her because of her faith, but as Paul says "first to the Jew, then to the Gentile" (Rom 1:16), Jesus modeled that his priority is for the House of Israel, and the great commission is those who are saved are to go and share that news with the world so that they may be grafted in!
I came here to say the same if the OT (Exodus 12)-Gods people were always commissioned to reach the world, but like with so many other things, they missed it. Jesus came to do the work, himself, through his spirit in us.
In many ways the “new” covenant is better, but first and foremost he has done the work. We’re living in the light of his glorious grace, no longer the shadow. We have and know the substance.
Jonah is a great example of this, so is the nature of the Abrahamic covenant, and even the Noahic and Adamic before it.
Where you lose me is suggesting that Joel said all of Israel went to hell. He never said this, and even explicitly mentioned the “10%” (ie remnant). It’s also worth noting that OT saints were saved by faith in the same savior we have. There is only one way to be saved, faith in the messiah. They had faith in promise and future, we have faith in reality and past.
I disagreed with him lots... But God "divorcing" Israel.. To me, that goes contrary to the nature of God. "Faith like a mustard seed" right?
Jesus preached to all including gentiles like the samarian woman at the well.
He didn’t say everyone under the old covenant went to hell. That about sums up your whole theory. Good day.
Joel did not say "everyone" he said majority.
Which would fall in line with your "narrow highway" wouldn't it?
If Israel is divorced ( to which I agree) never to be taken up again in the time of the tribulation then God will not have delivered on His promise. But if they are to be taken up again while the church is with the Lord in Heaven, they God will indeed be able to deliver on His promise to them. Just because Israel has been set aside for over 2400 years does not mean it will be taken up again by God as promised in the Old Testament. And just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it is not true. God's word is true. Not what you believe or say.
I love your videos Joel, but someone I was sending these videos made a good point that it would be useful to cite more evidence and Bible verses.
I have always wondered that too. What I’ve come to realize is there aren’t any verses that say the church has replaced Israel.
@@crownofthorns99 Yeah, well, I also don’t see any verses that say deniers of Christ of any kind will get their own land and blessings. I really don’t see how a Jewish ethno-religious apartheid state should get special treatment or favor from Christians. I do not support the current geopolitical state of Israel, you know, the ones who just tried to pass a bill criminalizing evangelical effort in Israel. They are not promised a single thing by God. Every promise made to the Jews was a conditional promise. One that they nearly always broke and hardly held up their end at all. They fulfilled their role as the chosen messengers of God through the apostles and the New Testament.
The church has NOT replaced Israel. The church started in the wilderness which is clearly stated in Acts 7:38. In the wilderness church the Spirit of God was external and then on the day of Pentecost the 120 disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit which began a new church age but not an entirely new church. In the OT it was very few people whom the Spirit rested upon. Further, the Pentecostal church age was prophesied in 1 Samuel by King Saul who was crowned king on the day of the wheat harvest (Pentecost)-1 Samuel 12:13-17. Saul was given the gift of prophecy in 1 Samuel 10:6. Saul also saw three men and was given 2 loaves of bread which is needed at Pentecost to offer as the Firstfruits to the Lord-1 Samuel 10:4
Even more interesting is that Pentecost was the only main festival which allowed leaven. Jesus told us in Luke 12:1 that leaven represents hypocrisy, in other words sin. This prophesied that during the Pentecostal church age there would be sin in the church.
Again, the church has NOT been replaced for Romans 12 tells us we are all one body with many members. The church may have further developed as it should but it was not replaced. The olive tree has both natural branches and wild olive branches. However, the only way to be grafted in whether natural or wild is to accept Jesus Christ as our Messiah.
Pentecost is NOT the final church age, for we only received a down payment of the Spirit, not the fullness of the Spirit-Ephesians 1:14 says, “The Holy Spirit is the down payment (earnest) of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory” The final church age is Tabernacles.
Jesus came to earth and fulfilled Passover, the feast of the first fruits which is also called the wave sheaf offering and the feast of weeks also known as Pentecost. These are the Spring festivals. When Jesus comes back He still has to fulfill the Fall festivals which are Feast of Trumpets which prophesies of the two resurrections and finally the feast of Tabernacles which is the redemption of our bodies and the time those who are of the remnant receive the fullness of His Spirit.
Sadly many church leaders are self appointed by self or man when they should be anointed by God. This is why the church is so lost today, we have the blind leading the blind.
@@evelissdevaux5350 so I’m confused do you or do you not believe that the Jesus hating state of Israel is still chosen and special to God? Or the Christ denying Jews still have a special place in His plan?
Definitely agree on this! Exegesis please. Not bad content, just lacking in meat (Scripture).
not all of them went to hell.. we didnt replace them.. we are grafted into them.. whoever is born again from adam and eve to the last saved person is a member of israel
Who wrote the book of Hebrews?
I am not sure, Pastor Gibbons. We were grafted in, and that doesn't equate to replacement, in my little brain (I don't think I am a dispensationalist - I don't even know what that means). The cultivated olive tree is still Israel, and we, as branches from wild olive trees, were grafted into the cultivated tree. What I do know 100% is to choose buck shots, not bird shots for home defense. And definitely not BB's. 😉😁
PS - That last part is beautiful. Gave me palpitations thinking about it. If you're not home, God will do everything to find your new address.
Jesus cursed the Old Covenant fig tree. Its a dead horse.
For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper. Luke14:24
What is the music playing at the beginning?
It’s to the tune of the hymn, “be thou my vision”
@@cosmictreason2242 Thanks. I knew I heard it somewhere.
Have you mastered the book of Zechariah yet?
An accurate statement "I'm still a Baptist." Calvinist Baptist?
Romans 9,10,and 11? Also what about the great tribulation as it's labeled the time of Jacob's trouble?
I'm not sure specifically what you have a question on across those three chapters. It would be helpful if you could narrow it down. To be honest, I don't get why people on the premil side (whether dispy or regular premil) keep raising these chapters. They make a ton of sense on covenant theology, but I have yet to hear any on the premil side show me how they make sense on their system.
From what I see, the premil side tends to make way to strong a divide between the OT and NT, almost to the point that there are multiple paths to salvation depending on your ethnicity, the mosaic sacrificial system if you are Hebrew and Christ if you are gentile. But notice that there is one true vine, not two, in the passage and it sustains both jew and gentile? There is one mode of salvation, being in Christ, and that holds for both the OT and NT. Both Jews and gentiles are included, and that has always been the case. Jews are the "natural branches" but that never meant they were automatically saved, they can be cut off. Gentiles are not automatically condemned, they can be grafted in. And removed branches can be grafted back on as well, so being cut off isn't being completely removed from the promise. It highlights that the promise was always kept through faith, not through genetics and reinforces Paul's earlier point in chapter 5.
Mind, I'm just guessing what you might be asking about. Maybe you could offer a positive presentation of your view so I could highlight where other sides differ in their understanding? Or maybe document a view and ask how they fit that in to the passage?
The time of Jacob's trouble, was a reference made by jeremiah. Jeremiah Was directly discussing the time of the Babylonian conquest and captivity of the jews. So if we take Jeremiah literally, like all dispensationalists claim to do, we would have to realize that the time of Jacob's trouble happened long before our era, and it happened even before Jesus came to earth. Stop looking for some future time of Jacob's trouble, that's all happened in the past. The same with the Olivet discourse about the end of the age. Christ said that all of it would happen in his generation. The Greek is unequivocal about that. He did not mean "this generation" thousands of years in the future. It makes grammatical nonsense. The discourse made my Christ was about the judgment on his generation in 70 AD. Either way you look at it, the Great Tribulation mentioned by Christ happened in 70 AD. The time of Jacob's trouble happened during the Babylonian era. None of it is for the future. Start reading your Bible more literally and get over your futurist fallacies.
70 AD☝🏻
@@khaccanhle1930 That doesn't square away with Daniel though. You still have one week in Daniel to complete. It doesn't make sense in Jeremiah 31 either. Where God is directly speaking to the Jews as no gentile had come to faith in that time. So your whole theory is moot.
@@bradwhitt6768
Who has allowed himself to introduce a gap between the weeks of Daniel when the Bible never talks about that ?
"And so all Israel shall be saved", says Paul, but who is he referring to? Israel will include Caiaphas, Anna, Saul, Ahab and others because they are from Israel, too. It means that God will save them because He seems tricked in this verse?
Oh my ,all the non Bible readers and non Bible believers clearly showing how little they know God .
This is a complete falsehood. God's covenant with Abraham, was unilateral and eternal. The last prophet before Jesus was born said, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6) God did not, has not, and will not divorce Israel. Period. The Israelites sinned over and over and over, so why are they not consumed? "It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:22-23)
Israel is all Gods reborn spiritual people.Jacob means wresled with God and so does all the people of God until they overcome Heb also speak about it,this reborn people is all the Israel of God.
"All" tribes of Israel were saved and became the church. Acts 2
@ John O
Yes and they are sealed in Revelation 7 , aren't they ?
@Isabelle M I think that is correct. That happened during the "Great" 42 month tribulation from 66-70 AD.
@@johno2277
Thank you.
And it lasted 42 months as the Bible says ?
I like Joel, but I sometimes wonder if he has ever read a book written by a Dispensationalist scholar. I definitely get the impression that he has only read reviews of Dispensationalism written by members of his own camp. This video doesn't debunk Dispensationalism. Not even close. For someone wanting a readable comparison of Dispensationalism vs. CT, I recommend Renald Showers "There Really is a Difference."
And the fact that Joel still claims that the Bible doesn't promise Israel will return to the land after God has already restored them to the land is hilarious! It's one thing when Martin Luther said they would never return to the land because the Church is Israel and inherited those promises. It's another for a guy living NOW to say it. It's like saying microwaves will never be invented. 😂
Furthermore, like far too many adherents to Covenant Theology, Joel cherrypicks the verse about God divorcing Israel via the Assyrians (Jeremiah 3:8-10), but ignores the fact that God then says two verses later,
“‘Return, faithless Israel,’ declares the Lord,
‘I will frown on you no longer,
for I am faithful,’ declares the Lord,
‘I will not be angry forever’”
And then two verses after that
“‘Return, faithless people,’ declares the Lord, ‘for I AM [present tense] your husband. I will choose you . . . and bring you to Zion”
Three times after He says He has given Israel the certificate of divorce He tells her to return.
Likewise, He tells Hosea to marry a prostitute, she cheats on him, and God tells him to buy her back.
"Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods”
God took Israel back. This is why Jeremiah records God saying
"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." This is 26 chapters after the divorce certificate.
The New Israel has Jewish people in it who BELIEVE on Messiah Jesus and they inherit the Promise. How then can anyone say that anyone according to the flesh can be Saved by rejecting YWH and His Only Son? That makes NO SENSE.
That is par for the course for Dispensationalism.
Yes, salvation is conditional on faith which obeys Jesus. There were faithful, individual Israelites, back in the day, as there always could and can be.
The Jews were divorced also by Jesus himself, in that parable of the tenants of the vineyard: they are yet turning to Jesus, still, today, praise the Lord.
I was right with you until @:02 mark you contradict yourself claiming the “flesh” Israel will be saved. You just did what dispensation people do, divided. There is no Greek or Jew or circumcised or uncircumcised we are all ONE in Christ according to the PROMISE, not the flesh.
I agree. there is only 1 Israel and always was only 1 from before time.
Galatians 3:28-29 already told us
So many ignorant people with itching ears grasping at the wisdom of the world rather than opening the book themselves and studying it out.
How many people were saved under the Old Covenant then?
Your username implies you are a Presbyterian DISPENSATIONALIST?
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Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God’s people! Being descendants of Abraham doesn’t make them truly Abraham’s children. For the Scriptures say, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted,” though Abraham had other children, too. This means that Abraham’s physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. Only the children of the promise are considered to be Abraham’s children. For God had promised, “I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
Romans 9:6-9
Absolutely correct and you can read John 8: 31 - 44 to see what Jesus himself had to say on the matter.
“If you were Abraham’s seed then you would do the works of Abraham”
Ephraim’s descendants were prophesied to be the meli haGoyim, fullness of the nations in Genesis 48:19. Ephraim’s descendants were divorced by God (Jeremiah 3, Hosea) and scattered from one end of the earth to the other and made wanderers among the nations. But God also promised to restore Ephraim and Judah and make them one kingdom again under the son of David. In Romans 11 Paul says that a partial hardening has happened upon Israel until the fullness of the nations has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved (and therefore God’s word about restoring Israel and Judah has not failed).
And the church that are lukewarm and compromising did God not spit them out of God mouth
Btw, the NEW COVENANT for ISRAEL, is not even issued yet.
M.U.D. Simply Mixed Up Doctrine. Who is Hebrews written to? Why Paul?
Figure out, as best you can, your eschatological position and then go do stuff like volunteering at a soup kitchen. Life is short 😇
Wow this teaching is from the pit of hell. Stay away. Polished and smooth, but definitely hellish
Your point is true Joel. One side note other than the false 'global' claim in reference to the cosmology of God's Word, where pray tell does God say there should be denominations? And just for the record, John the baptist was not a baptist, he was John the baptizer...😉
You're making me double down on my dispensational studies & beliefs! 2 Tim 2:15
1 Tim 2:15 says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. You can't all just go around and make scripture work for your own personal beliefs. Jesus founded a church and said He would build it and the gates of hell would not prevail against it (Matt 16:18.) Which church has been around for 2000 years? Jesus is not a failure and His church is the place where you go for truth. The bible you all place complete trust in was not compiled and Canonised as the inspired word of God until the 4th Century by the Catholic Church. It was Catholic tradition that brought forth the bible. Along comes Luther and he decided 7 of the books were not inspired... how do you have faith in this book? If anyone can come along and claim parts of it uninspired, it's crazy if you think it through. Then there is the fact everyone believes the Holy Spirit teaches them and so they are right, yet weirdly, there are so many different beliefs in Protestantism that this claim can only be false. Protestantism makes no sense to me, and with many of the dispensational teachings that I have seen on the internet, you have to turn yourself into a pretzel to believe. E.g Robert Breaker in his video "Is Water Baptism Nessacary For Salvation" (6 min in) reads Hebrew 6:1-3 as being a call to leave the principles or doctrines of Jesus Christ. Read correctly, Heb 6:1-3 NKJV says, "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits." Stop talking about the basics of Christianity, not, lets chuck it all out. I pray that you humble yourself before God and ask God to show you the truth... and really mean it. God bless
@@cheryl0327 wow it sounds like your teacher/pastor is really causing the massive confusion I'm reading in your comment. You're quoting me scriptures from God's Word, but then tell me it's totally unreliable & of Catholic tradition, so which is it? Do you Believe in God's Word or will you continue to allow heretics to shake your faith down to it's core? God PROMISES us He will preserve & protect His Word & it shall not pass away. Today's many translations have played fast & loose, except for the OKJV. Jesus Christ IS the Word, & we Christians (the church) should have faith in this & study it to better know & understand Him & strengthen our faith in Him. A teacher/pastor of God's Word should be Ashamed of himself of he's NOT teaching dispensations of scripture! We must not sit in a pew week after week, year after year, & allow some weirdo to spoonfood us HIS loose interpretation of God's Word. We should press into the Spirit of Truth & NOT the spirit of error as we study it for ourselves. The majority of scripture has already been broken down & it's meaning agreed upon. Only some verses are left debatable & open to translation. For this man to deny dispensations is just plain foolish. God clearly dealt w Jews & Gentiles differently & in different time periods from Genesis to Revelation. Rightly dividing these is Key to unlocking & understanding God & His Truth. Test what I say! I agree that there are many crackpots online who'll only cause confusion. Be careful. I believe a solid scripture-based church IS important, but if we feel we must go there to 'experience' God or learn, something's off. If we depend upon a man-made church facility in place of, or more than, we depend on God's Holy Word, we're in big trouble!
I would highly recommend reading Future Israel by Barry Horner. I think you would enjoy it. It's a Premillennialist view minus the dispensationalism. So it may be refreshing.
Horner is great and demonstrates what the plain reading of Scripture says. Jesus said in Luke 24 to believe ALL that the prophets said. You have to reinterpret or reimagine the OT to come up with the view in this video. What did the verses mean to the original audience? Jesus expected them to understand what was written, why would we expect they couldn’t be understood until reinterpreted by Augustine?
@Joshua Peter
Thanks for the idea I am Historic Premill myself! I will check that book out!
@@mresab1997 that’s a little harsh. I like a lot of what he teaches, but can’t agree with him on several topics including this one.
@@mresab1997 how about a little charity and grace, got any room for that?
@@mresab1997 what is TR?
jeremiah 31;35
This is what the Lord says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar-
the Lord Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”
You better repent , for if God will ever break His covenant with Israel what guarantee you have will not break it with you ??? It is God faithfulness that is our guarantee of our Salvation
The old covenant was for the Jews...and the new covenant is for the Jews. What we're in now is not either one of those. This is a different thing. It's the mystery revealed to Paul. Peter wasn't thinking this way. He wasnt preaching this.
There is no difference between the Jew and the gentile today as far as salvation....but God has preserved the Jews as a separate people and is going to continue to do so because he's not done with them. God is not a liar.
Raised a Dispensationalist, always challenging my suppositions. Nothing you have said here remotely makes sense to me! If you are correct we must toss out the major prophets who continuously spoke of Israel!
Not no matter what. God didn't say 'no matter what'; he set forth conditions. They didn't fulfill their part of the covenant.
What "covenant" and "conditions" are you talking about? Please list the conditions, and specify the covenant.
Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
@@chapmaned24 Let's start with Dt. 28:1, 15. Notice the word OF = terms of a contract.
@jonathanwhiteside816 That's in the blessings and cursing section. Yes, I know that very well. But continue to Chapter 30, verses 1-7. However, regardless of the blessings and cursings, Galatians 3:18 shows that the promise was never based on...The Covenant, which most call the Old Testament. The promise was never conditioned on the behavior of the children of Israel. But, once under the law, they get kicked out from time to time. But it's still their land. Which brings me to Ezekiel 36. WHY is God GOING TO bring them back? Not for their sake, but for God's sake. I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but we call that GRACE, lest any man should boast. Can you be obedient to the law? If you can, you must be Jesus. If you can't, what makes you any better than they? See Deu 29:4 and contrast that with Romans 15:21.
25"Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Now I will restore Jacob from captivity and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name. 26They will forget their disgrace and all the treachery they committed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land, with no one to frighten them. 27When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them out of the lands of their enemies, I will show My holiness in them in the sight of many nations. 28Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, when I regather them to their own land, not leaving any of them behind after their exile among the nations. 29And I will no longer hide My face from them, for I will pour out My Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Lord GOD.” Ezekiel 39:25-29.
Yeah exactly. He is still using Israel. He is using them to the point he brought them back and out of the valley of dry bones. You can't claim there is a new covenant and that it's with the church when God brings back the people and Nation he made the old covenant with. The other issue is the prophets are speaking to the Nation of Israel. They aren't speaking to the Gentiles. So why would Jeremiah be referring to the gentile church when he isn't speaking to them at all.
How do you then explain Romans 11. Particularly Verses 19-24.
Verse 23 says: "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
Step 1 to becoming a Postmillennialist: Spiritualize scripture to make it about you
Step 2: Stop exegeting and expository preaching
Step 3: Give motivational speeches on the great commission and Psalm 110:1 (important note for Psalm 110: do not read verse 2)
If the idea that God divorced Israel and is finished with them and the church replaces Israel is correct, then all the promises that God gave to Israel (literally Judah/Israel) will not be accomplished. Thus, according to this notion, God does not keep His promises. God gave them promises but He will not fulfill those promises. The OT prophets (read Zechariah for starters) says otherwise. God keeps His promises. And BTW, there are NOT two paths of salvation. There is only one way, Jesus Christ. No dispensationalist believes in two paths of salvation.
Can you explain the Abrahamic Covenant? Was is broken?
It was fulfilled by Christ. Read Romans 4 and Galatians 3.
Didn't Christ fulfill it ?
@@framboise595 No. The Abrahamic Covenant was a 1 Person Covenant. What do I mean? l God made the covenant with Himself on Abraham's behalf. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law by living a sin free life. Does that make sense?
@@framboise595 Christ confirmed the Abrahamic covenant, (Gal 3:16, Dan. 9:27) in His perfect sacrifice on the cross, an everlasting covenant which God made with Himself. (Gen 15:17; Heb 6:13-18)
The teaching and belief of eternal conscious torment is utter insanity and nonsense. “God is love but He’s also a just God” is usually the brain washed response to the idea that a good God would predestined billions upon billions of people that He created to never ending torture in literal fire. It just boggles my mind that people in this age still believe in the hell lie.
”I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.“
Romans 11:25, 29
This guy obviously skipped over these verses
Tell this to Mrs. Hosea…
Amen!!
Exactly what I was thinking!!
God will have to divorce the believer today because we are no better than Israel
God always acts to us in mercy and grace. Read Ezekiel carefully and you will see God will not give up on the remnant of Israel
He's not giving up on Isreal.
2:22 If you seriously believe that God has divorced Israel, then I have some news for you, my friend:
Genesis NKJV, chapter 17: 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
The only condition for this covenant is for the Jews to keep practicing circumcision - which they did without ceasing. God promised them land and prosperity with this one condition. Are you actually saying God isn't faithful to this promise? That He somehow gave up and revoked his own *"everlasting"* promise?
A blanket statement that God divorced Israel is not quite right. It's modified by other verses in Jer 3 and the statement in verse 8 is speaking of the northern kingdom of Israel, not Israel wholesale. God judges and cuts off apostate people who are among His visible people. Paul speaks of this in Romans 11.
New Covenant Israel Theology
God made a New Covenant with the house of Israel into which 11 Israelites, having been discipled by God's genuine Son, entered. When Jesus of Nazareth (while still on the cross) drank the fruit of the vine, that New Covenant became active. Since Jesus had never sinned, all the blessing of the law of Moses became His inheritance- and the Treasury of New Covenant Israel. Since then, the gospel has been believed by gentiles who have been adopted into the house of Israel.
DISPENSATIONAL DELUSION'S RESULTS
It amazes me, that while most dispensational preachers understand that the events foretold to occur in MT 23 and 24 center around, and come to completion, at the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70ad; then have the misguided fortitude to suddenly jump 2000 years into the future when Jesus includes his coming and the gathering right there within the very same texts! And it expressed as being IMMEDIATELY after the events in the previous verses!
Because of the rise of Dispensationalism in the Church in the early 1900s, with its futuristic perspective of the New Testament prophecies; are we supposed to accept their premise that the first century believers, all the New Testament writers, the Holy Spirit, Jesus the Christ Himself, AND even God the Father, ALL got it completely and totally wrong, as to the timing and nature of the events foretold in holy writ? Especially when they ALL held to the perspective that their fulfillment was to be in that first century? Well, I am not persuaded by spiritual blindness!
All of the New Testament writers, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote their texts to their first century readers, prophesying that the resurrection and the coming of the Lord were to occur in that generation then living and breathing at that time. There was no confusion or misunderstanding on the matter! Now, here is what we MUST conclude: Either the resurrection and the coming of the Lord did happen when and how they said it would; or God just flat out lied to them!
And if God did lie; what else might he have lied about? And can you really trust the bible which you don't believe is actually true and accurate, since you don't believe those prophecies have happened? Do you see how your believing that the bible, with its prophecies, are both true and accurate is the paramount of your faith? You must choose one way or the other! God requires that you believe what he has preserved. Choose..........
In Matthew 24 Jesus describes cataclysmic events in the sun, moon and stars that affect the ENTIRE WORLD, not just the Jews in Jerusalem. These events did not happen in 70 AD but they are mentioned again in Revelation, and referred by Isaiah also. "This generation" refers to the generation that SEES ALL THE EVENTS mentioned in the entire chapter, not the generation living at that time. There have been WORSE things that have happened in the world BEFORE the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70AD and AFTER that. (World Wars 1 & 2) The worldwide flood of Noah's day was far worse. Jesus predict things even worse than that flood right before he returns. They did not see Jesus "coming back in the clouds" in 70 AD. All the tribes of the earth did not "mourn" in 70 AD. Most of the events in Matthew 24 did not happen in 70 AD and are future. Ezekiel 40-48 gives great detail about a future temple that will be built in Jerusalem where Jesus will reign "a thousand years" (Rev.20:1-7) Eight chapters about it!
The gospel was not "preached to ALL nations" by 70 AD. It was just getting started and has not been completed even yet.
Matt. 24:
14 "And this gospel of the kingdom SHALL BE PREACHED for a witness UNTO ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come."
21 "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD to this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE."
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the SUN be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light, and THE STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, and the POWERS OF THE HEAVEN shall be shaken:
30 "And then shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, and they shall see the Son of man COMING IN THE CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory."
@ makarov138
Exactly. And also , even if we don't understand everything about Revelation or the Olivet discours e, how come that we don't pay attention to WORDS ?
When Jesus described his coming , he said that there would be women grinding at the MILL (Matthew 24) .
How can futurists put something as antiquated as a mill into our modern times ??? It is beyond belief.
Yep. I was a Dispie for 35 years. Everytime I brought up time statements, pastors responded without thinking (like in other cults) "2,000 year gap" & "double fulfillment." I brought up 2Th2 ... They answered, "it says 'God's Temple' but it doesn't mean God's, it means 'Antichrist's.'" ... ??? What happened to "plain meaning" and "literalism." Also, I brought up Mt 22:1-14. My pastor called me "anti-semitic" and "hateful" and won't talk to me anymore.
By today’s standards, Jesus was anti-Semitic.
@williamcarr3976 Definitely. To uphold their false teachings, they gloss over Rev 1-3, Acts 16, Mt 22, Jn 8, 2Cor6:14, etc. as if those passages have no significance.
There were very few BIBLE verses used in "debunking" dispensationalism. Whether you believe them or not Dispensationalist USE their bibles with with scripture- whether they are right or not is another video, but you can't say they don't know their bible.
How is this debunking anything? You just shared your opinion with no scriptural support. Doesn’t seem like you understand the dispensational perspective either.
There is future for Israel.... Romans 11 whole chapter. We are not better than the Jews, we are just grafted.
How do you know that the "vast majority of the under the OT died in unbelief?" Was not the covenant of grace operating then? Are you saying that only a remnant was saved? If that is your point, then what is the point? There has always only been a remnant who were saved by grace through faith.
I know it's considered apocryphal but the Acts of Peter says Jesus preached the gospel to the dead when he was crucified. So...those who believed and called on His name in Hell were saved...I assume. This confirms several Hell NDE testimonies.
It's not canon scripture though so...take it with a grain of salt.
Nice try but you are off.
Ii am a Bible Christian
Not a Calvinist or an Armenian.
And do you not see that God is not through with the land of Israel and the Jew?
When did you become an anti-Semite?
Just curious
Dispys always mention Romans 11 but omits Romans 9, especially Romans 9:27:
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
Paul mentions two Israel, not because God has two people, but that one has replaced the other. Paul mentions in Romans 9:6:
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, Romans 9:6
Only through the messiah someone belongs to the church (God’s people). That is what Galatians 3:28 says. What Paul exactly is saying there is a nation call Israel but that is not the true Israel of God that belongs in the new covenant.
It's not biblical what this man is saying.. Paul clearly states God has not abandoned His people-->Romans 11:1 KJV - I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
If the church is Israel then how do you understand these words from Romans, Ezekiel, Jeremiah?
"For if you were cut from a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.…"
Rom 11V24-26
"Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both those who are older than you and those who are younger. I will give them to you as daughters, but not on the basis of my covenant with you. So I will establish my covenant with you, and you will know that I am the Lord. Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign Lord."
Eze 16V60-63
The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them
declares the Lord.
33
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Jer 31V31-33
Ethnic Israel? Never heard that term before.
Fulfilled in Christ under the New Covenant. What's to understand?
@@marthabautze6650 Where does national Israel fit in the new covenant?
@@karl7796 The same as anyone else since Pentecost: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. Modern national Israel is mostly a secular, atheist country, founded by Zionist atheistic Jews who simply settled on calling themselves the State of Israel after considering many name options in 1948. You can find all this information searching the net.
A remnant of all the tribes of OC Israel accepted their Messiah and believed on Jesus Christ along with the apostles in the first generation church. They formed the holy "first fruit" branches along with the holy Root of Jesse, Jesus Christ, regenerating the olive tree "into a good olive tree" (Romans 11:16, 24). Any natural (OC Israel) and wild (Gentile) branches can be grafted into the "good olive tree" only by faith in Jesus Christ...and in thus manner, all Israel shall be saved (and Gentiles), through the promised Deliverer (Rom 11:26; Isaiah 59:20).
Paul states we are in the dispensation of grace, Fact. The bible states who has the old and new covenant and its not us today. Fact
There is no Jew or Gentil, nor slave or free, nor man or woman in Christ. Yes, but they all have unconditional roles. You confuse the unconditional with the conditional. The unbelieving Jews have broken the Messianic covenant, not he Abrahamic covenant. This is why you are confused. You confuse an unconditional agreement with a conditional one and so you are both right and wrong.
Wow cant believe ppl believe this 😢 God loves Israel so much we did not replace them , they r irreplaceable. Gods promises to Israel stand, God won’t break his word. Has nothing to do with Israel but everything to do with God and his heart and his character he loves passionately❤
Dispensationalism is a lie.
Follow Jesus
Jesus is the only way
They were never replaced- Jesus, the Disples, and all the First founders of the Church were Isrealites. Gentiles were grafted in later. God loves Isreal so much he fullfilled his promise to send the Messiah he promsed so they might believe in him and recieve everylasting life. (if they want to)
If Israel didn't exist neigher would Jesus. Accepting his sacrifice and Him is how Israel becomes billion and billions of people. Like the number of stars and grains of sands.
@@daveonezero6258
Jesus existed before Israel
And the Israel of the Bible was destroyed