Dispensationalism Is Not A Christian Theology
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I am so grateful that God delivered me from dispensationalism. I'm also grateful that he's been drawing me toward Anglicanism.
I grew up southern Baptist believing in dispensationalism. I became Anglican 15 years ago and abandoned dispensationalism along my way.
In 2018 the Anglican Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada admitted that based on current trends they will cease to exist by 2040. The wild card is African immigration. Nigeria has more Anglicans that England and the USA put together.
@@doubtingthomas9117Can you tell me a good teacher?
It will take generations for this to fade if it ever does.. I started questioning this theology at 9 years old and because of the blow back I got from the adults in my life, I learned early not to trust in men. It did not shake my faith in God, but no one was teaching anything different to me. I gave up on trying to understand the Bible many times when I was younger. Praise God I was being raised in a Christian home at least!
My mother had the really great habit of praying for her children ceaselessly, I found my way out of confusion and to an understanding of how to rightfully digest the word of God. We still debate eschatology sometimes when I don't watch what I say. She's 90, and it's never good to argue with your mother especially when she's this old.. I understand her reluctance to part with the theology, as it is a large part of her identity. It's the same for many others too.
The men who started this, the men who fully understand the theological implications behind what they are teaching are going to be held accountable I believe. I would not want to be in the shoe's of anyone who rejects understanding and truth for self willed sensationalism.
So you believe in covenant theology? I Feel Gods drawing me to learn about this
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 I try to stay away from labeling myself.. Often these dividing distinctions in doctrines revolve around eschatology. Jesus gave us several parables about being ready, he was also clear that even he doesn't know when that last day will be.. It's pretty clear where we are to focus our attention in life according to Jesus. Doctrines of dubious distinction, and it's division are discouraged definitively throughout the entire bible. I'm just trying to stick with Jesus. I encourage everyone to do the same, and to examine the ideas of all men with a spiritual 'ten foot pole'.
Dispensationalism leads to the denial of the New Covenant.
Bingo. God’s chosen are not actually chosen, but he who chooses to believe and obey the word of God, and ye shall be called the children of God. It is not about ethnicity as that was proven when God asked Esau first if he would obey the Torah and be His ppl, he rejected. Abraham decided to accept. The new covenant supersedes the old covenant which the Jewish ppl rejected as explained in the book of Malachi.
Absolutely! ✔️
The major problem about dispensationalism is a lot of evangelicals embrace it but don't know about its origins nor its errors nor the theology itself. Sad. It took me 20 years to unlearn this heresy.
Thank you for calling it heresy. I know a lot of Christian people who won't go that far and call it that, and I think they should because it is heretical.
Better late than never. Some refuse to see the light. You investigated and found truth .Amen. Now we need to expose it to the world to glorify God and slap the devil.
Why? The bible speaks for itself.
@@langleybeliever7789 True, but most don't STUDY it for themselves. They take the word of their favorite rock star preacher, who also didn't study for himself, but was taught dispensational heresy at SEMINARY which sourced it from the corrupt Scofield Bible, which was sourced ultimately from.the jesuit order, which fabricated futurism and preterism to protect their beloved man of sin, the POPE.
@@langleybeliever7789It would speak for itself if you were the original audience which you aren't. It was written to other people but also for our benefit. Not the same thing. That's why we have methods of hermeneutics; we should try to learn the surroundings historical influenced, cultural influences, linguistic influences, etc. You, as a presumably, Western Christian 2000yrs later does not understand Scripture the same way the first few centuries of the church would.
Yes agreed, dispensationalism is pure heresy. It has done much to damage the Church in modern times.
You can't differentiate between the gospel of kingdom and the gospel of grace. Jesus and his disciples were sent to the Jews and Paul to gentiles.
@@krishnaswami3362 Yes and were made into ONE new man in Christ.
Wrong! Matthew 28:18-20
Christ sends his 11 remaining disciples to ALL the nations
@@kylec8950And Paul was the agent chosen by God to make one body out of two.
@@williamcarr3976Lack of knowledge. The disciples never went out in the whole world. Rather it was Paul who took the Gospel (of grace) in the world.
Great video brother. I agree, Dispensationalism is a dangerous position to hold and actually devalues the Gospel.
I unlearned all that in the early 90s, by reading the bible. What a joy to be able to read and learn Gods word with the Holy Spirit guiding me ! Darby fooled a lot of people. The way out of false teaching is to read the bible.
Thank you. I feel I'm being shunned at my church for not marching in lock step with this stuff!!!!
I hear you. They treat you like you have gone apostate when you even question it let alone reject it!
Same
Just ask them to show it from the Scriptures. They cannot. Yet they preach it as truth.
It's all based on a gross perversion of Daniel 9, where they take the actual Messiah prophecy of the 70th week, and apply it to antichrist instead. Raw blasphemy.
At one time I went through the same thing. Have them watch the CZcams video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to show them the original source of the doctrine in black and white. It came from Edward Irving's English translation of a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Irving taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Nelson Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. Darby became the chief promoter of the doctrine after Irving died during 1834.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dispensationalism has led to the erroneous, bifurcated belief for the people of God, that the church isn't the visible people of God, and mistakenly makes🇮🇱 the visible people of God (a new Replacement Theology).
Correct conclusion. Incorrect reasons for coming to the conclusion. Dispensationalism is false because God’s Word doesn’t teach it. Not because of “orthodoxy”, church fathers or creeds. The church fathers are the Apostles, and their teachings are the New Testament.
I think galatians 2 might disagree that they all fathered the church and that the entire New Testament is directed towards the church. All apostles weren't to the church. Also see Romans 11 especially verse 25.
All apostles weren't dedicated to the church and neither were their messages all for the church.
I agree that we don't follow the early church traditions but don't necessarily agree that this man has come to any correct conclusions.
He also never actually used the Bible to back up any of his claims and refuted it by his claims more than once.
@@JP-ec9rlAll apostles weren't to the church."
Ephesians 4:11-16
11And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
- The Body is the church (Colossians 1:24).
- Unless I've misunderstood, it makes it sound like you are referring to an entirely Gentile church. Before responding to that I'll wait for clarification, but if that is what your'e saying that is false and it is easily shown otherwise.
Amen
Your arguments don't invalidate the arguments you took issue with in the video. The only one I take issue with is the "it's a modern innovation" argument. While that might add to the case for its invalidity, it's not an argument in and of itself. Just because an idea is older or newer does not make it inherently better or worse. Time is relative, and the second Temple Jews basically made the same argument against the early Christians because relative to when they lived, Christianity was a "modern" innovation. It's just not a good argument, but everything else he said was completely valid.
I grew up hearing this theology in church even though I could easily tell that it is not scriptural. I could never follow their stupid charts in the books and the books by Hal Lindsey that I bought out of curiosity were all thrown out with the recyclable newspapers because that is where they belonged.
I am a recovering "rapture" believer that even wrote a book about it that got published in 2007, but like E.W. Bullinger before me, I recant!
It would be good to follow AA and have "rapture recovery" groups worldwide!
Thank you so much for this video, and the others I have not yet watched. I'm sharing with many friends, in hopes they will continue to share with others, so the truth will spread more rapidly than the lie of dispensationalism did. I am in full agreement with what you've said, and have given the same reasons for my viewpoint when trying to explain why I'm not a pretrib/premil believer. Too often, I'm brushed off as being one who has not read my bible! There are some, though, that at least listen, and I've tried to find videos that aren't too lengthy to share with them, as I'm not the best teacher...so thank you for filling that need! I look forward to watching all of your videos, and I pray your viewership grows. God bless you, your family, and your mission to teach truth!
Thank you, Mary. My eschatology playlist will be the easiest way to find my other videos dealing with this area of theology.
May we all continue to grow into a greater unity for the sake of Christ our Lord! Blessings to you!
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
W
@@wulfclaw4921 I have had these same experiences brother. It's so disheartening at times. I'm in the rural southern US and the only type of churches around me are ones that are dispensational. I can't go to a church that holds to those beliefs because they are obsessed with it, obsessed with modern day Israel being "God's chosen people". They say I don't read my Bible, or don't understand it. Or that I'm anti-Semitic, or a racist. They call me divisive and that I need to get right with God because I am not a dispensationalist. It's all so bizarre. May the Lord open their blind eyes.
Recognizing everything that can be said about Gary Demar, his description of "clearing the theological chessboard" with regard to dispensationalism is 100% accurate. The system requires certain pieces glued to certain spots that they could not reach on their own, and everything else has to move around them. You cannot start from scratch and derive dispensationalism from the Bible without presupposing it
So true.
More than this, I think the popularization of dispensationalism has played a huge role in the shifting of Christian thinking that has allowed the decline of Western civilization. It's not the sole culprit, by any means, but it's one side of the larger problem that I think far too few people recognize as part of the problem. Many of the implications of dispensationalism incentivize a very insular and defeatist mindset about the world and the Christian's role in it which has caused much of Christianity to neglect its essential role as salt and light, which has created a cultural vacuum that has been filled by a lot of nefarious, destructive, and subversive secular ideologies, especially since the 1960s and 70s. I grew up in this sort of environment, and I love many of the people that often unconsciously subscribe to it (and many who are diehard proponents), but I have really grown to despise a lot about this worldview and what it has done to society, and I'm still trying to learn about other Christian perspectives to find areas in which I still need to reform my own thinking. The fact that I discovered that there was so much more beyond the confines of what I knew played a big role in saving my faith.
Yeah it lends itself to “I can sin cause o grace”
Sounds like you could be J.W., R.C., LDS, SDA they are all grace rejecting. You are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS , PART OF HIS BODY.
The bible says your faith is counted for righteousness.
Exactly. It has people blessing antichrist synagogue of satan over in the occupied state of Palestine. If it weren't for dispensationalists rooting for the people falsely called Isreal, they wouldn't be stealing all our money, weapons and they wouldn't be allowed to commit genocide!
Great video Jonah, I love what you are doing with your channel and I am so thankful that I do not consider myself a dispensationalist anymore as I used to, I am now more partial preterist, post millennialist, and whatever else one might label my view of eschatology.
Hello, Jonah. What is your doctrinal statement?
This is basically a sound demolition job on the theology of pre-millennialism/dispensationalism, so well done. BUT...
1. Darby was *not* the originator of dispensationalism. The true originator of modern dispensationalism was the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza, who around 1785 wrote "The Coming of the Messiah in Glory". The book was initially banned by the Papacy, then unbanned, then translated into several languages. Someone called Edward Irving got fascinated with the book, and translated it in 1827. He then developed Lacunza's ideas at the Albury Conferences, 1830, which Darby attended. When Edward Irving died of stress and overwork in 1834, the ambitious Darby took over the theory, refined it here and there, then promoted it in many countries.
2. You mis-spoke when you said that as believers we will 'become God' in Heaven. NO, we will be exactly as we are now: sons and daughters of God, with resurrection bodies, no more, no less.
3. You have given the impression you are a Catholic with the images of Christ and Mary behind you. I hope you are not a Roman Catholic, which is far worse than being a dispensationalist!
To believe in dispensations is to believe the gospel itself. "What is, what was, what will be again" the "alpha and the omega". .
But the doctrine of dispensationalism the way its taught is the latter days doctrine of demons spoken about in the book of Timothy. Because what it does is make two paths. One for the Jew, one for the church. It turns the church into the "side chick" for God, and focuses everything on the Jewish law, calendars, feasts, ect. Because the doctrine itself agrees with the pharisee that Jesus spoke with 2000 years ago. . "We have Abraham as our Father". So i argue that to follow the doctrine of dispensationalism as it is mainstream taught, one cannot be a Christian as they deny the first coming of Jesus by agreeing with the pharisee that the blood of Abraham is sufficient. "Believe in Jesus and be saved" but also "claim to be a Jew living in Israel by flesh and God is going to save you anyway". It's a denial of the free will, the loosened chains that Christ purchased on the cross. The denial that it is his blood shed which made children of Abraham, not nepotism of flesh. They cannot be a Christian, because they deny Jesus and his first coming. They are actually by their deeds and understanding. . Jews themselves. As they deny Christ was the messiah.
"Their lips speak of his name but their hearts are far from him"
Exactly. They have Christian idolizing "Israel," an antichrist state. And they don't even realize THEY, as believers, are God's Israel.
Roman Catholicism, the merging of the Babylonian, pagan Roman Empire with the true Church found in the New Testament isn't biblical. The entirety of Scripture from Genesis through Revelation teaches salvation through God's grace ( mercy, love) without repentance ( God doesn't take it back at anytime) which is completely contrary to what the RCC teaches.
Good thing this isn't an RCC channel then :D
I was raised with this heretical belief and I just assumed it was the standard in most sects and denoms which really pushed me away from considering going to any Church by the time I was 19 for years. Only the last few months years later have I started taking things seriously and have gotten this far in learning it's completely new and man-made uninspired origins. God's mercy is truly infinite, I never thought I'd get specific info on this and would forever be shunned as a conspiracy theorist by family.
agreed; amazing coming from an anglican.
The Bible teaches that this world is darkness and corrupt and rejected by God. My kingdom is not of this world is a direct quote. They that are in the flesh cannot please God is another quote. The children of the flesh are not the children of God a quote. God is a Spirit are all reality.
9:13 "Christ has one coming and that's the second coming" Bahahahahahaha!!!!
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the CZcams video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
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Good insights. Another disturbing phenomenon that arose in the late 20th century is the Ruckmanite sect of King James Onlyism, who piggybacked onto this by taking 2 Tim. 2:15 (rightly 'dividing') as THE key to unlocking a proper understanding of "dispensations", without which they claim that we'll make a mess of so much of scripture. It's quite a sectarian "special knowledge" position. They belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
W
I wouldn't say that you're an unbeliever or anything like that. Just that you're a bit dramatic.
I mean it's denominational theology. It wasn't exactly pretty between the apostles themselves in galatians chapter 2. Why would you expect it to be different now?
We're all going to find out pretty soon I think.
J.N. Darby..., oh my. Schofield and a few others. Flawed men to be sure, but that's all of us to one degree or another.
However, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
A few factors, nevertheless, need some consideration. The only information that has come to us in modern times from the early Church has been filtered through a thousand years of the Catholic Church, and just as with the scriptures, we really don't have any of their original manuscripts, nor do we have all of their complete works so far as we know.
In addition, after the RCC, Aquinas, Augustine, and a few others were done finalizing their Amillennialism, and altering or burning any documentation or people that didn't agree with their theology right up until they couldn't get away with it anymore; it's not surprising that that the RCC and most of the groups that splintered off from them hold similar positions, and have lost interest in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. The scriptures do strongly indicate that there are things that will not be understood until the latter days. And many aspects of prophecy were ignored in the past because they didn't really have a way to make it fit into their theology.
Do I think that Dispensational Hermeneutics and pre-tribulation eschatology are the only correct interpretation of the Bible? No, however, I also think it should not be dismissed out of hand merely because many others say it should be.
Darby didn't originate Dispensational Hermeneutics. There were others that held similar views; and Darby and Schofield were more like popularizers that spread it around so that others could examine the scriptures and build upon it. Perhaps this is a bad thing, but so long as the basic Gospel message is kept, I think the Lord Jesus Christ allows for a bit of goofy theology. And I feel certain that every branch of Christianity has some of that.
The Lord Jesus in His infinite wisdom DIDN'T (except for the Gospel) write down and chisel in stone a complete and detailed system of theology that was to be rigorously followed without deviation or development. We were given the Gospel, the Lord's supper, baptism, and a bit of guidance from the Apostles, and the Bible; which is all we really need.
So, given that, and the tendency of people to mess with things that are working just fine, and the possibility that Jesus wants us to search the scriptures for better understanding. (But not development) It's not surprising that some people have seen some things in the scriptures that were discarded or passed over in the past. Does that mean they are thereby wrong? Probably only time will tell. But you might want to keep an open mind, read your Bible, study it, and keep an eye on the news, because things are happening that are very interesting in the light of prophecy and eschatology.
Going up?! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
His kingdom will have no end BUT it must be shorter than one thousand years? The millennium is not in tradition, and therefore the eternal endless reign must be shorter than one thousand years?
thank you so much brother
We live in the Dispensation of Grace!!
Dispensationalism is to Christian theology as Darwinism is to science. Coincidentally they both entered around the same time.
The title is appropriate and accurate. How did this abomination become biblical doctrine to millions of people, yet they cannot show it from the Bible?
This novel Judeo-centric dispensational movement is perhaps the greatest and most subtle deception of our time. ✔️
Mr. Cathlocity, I agree the teaching of dispensationalism is bad theology. Speaking as a protestant and Reformed. There are several Reformed teachers who also are dispensationists: John MacArthur and Irwin Lutzer, to name two. But then you have whole other groups in the Arminian side who are wholeheartedly dispensationists and, in my opinion, wrong on both counts.
You can’t be reformed and dispensationalist
@devothebot3008 P.s. I would also say you can't be Roman Catholic and be a Christian if your beliefs are in line with the pope in Rome and Alphonso Ligouri.
@@blchamblisscscp8476I'm very much not a Roman Catholic and would have a hard time bending the knee to papal rule for a lot of reasons, but to say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian in the core sense of the word is completely absurd.
Spot on
Didn’t Jesus say “My Kingdom is not of this world”?
You have to ask the potter why you’re still a dispensationalist after 20,30,40 years if you are indeed being made into a heavenly vessel. Ie sanctification is a mark of salvation in a mature believer and there becomes less and less excuse for believing nonsense such as dispensationalism if you are truly being saved. Make your salvation sure and challenge your preconceived ideas on this.
I agree with you, brother. I would recommend using scripture rather than creeds to prove your thesis. This is considered one of the weaknesses of our position among dispensationalists. Otherwise, fantastic presentation!
Did Peter and Paul teach the same thing?
Both Peter and Paul preached grace and the kingdom of God.
The Book of Hebrews actually does warn the "Hebrews" about turning back to a sacrificial system. However that warning is necessary because the Anti-Christ is going to give a sacrificial system and temple to non-believing Israel during the tribulation. Stick to the scriptures brother not dead saints, philosophy and orthodoxy. I sense Calvinist, RC, Greek Orthodoxy, and philosophy. You abandon scripture for history. You do understand that so called "Christian History" that you refer to is written by the cult of Roman Catholicism. Right?
So what about the thousand year reign of Jesus in Revelation 20;
Present church age. Time between advents.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@noway5378 couldn't be more anti biblical
We are most definitely not living in the Kingdom of God.
Physical Kingdoms have a physical King
His name is Jesus. He is coming soon.
The prayer, thy kingdom COME thy will be done on EARTH.
This is a FUTURE event. Do you really think God's will is being done?
The 1000 year reign is REAL and accurate to the second. It is NOT a figure of speech.
It starts SOON.
@@boldbeliever52 Dude, nobody here believes that mess any longer. We've been delivered from that deception & heresy. I know you mean well, but you are believing false man-made doctrine. Research the origins of it.
@@boldbeliever52 So you are saying that Jesus has to be physically on this earth in order to be King even though He already declared that He has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth? Was God physically present when He declared that He was Israel's king in Exodus 19:5-6--"IF you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant (then) you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples...and you shall be to me a KINGDOM of priests and a holy nation." (Note--a conditional covenant--"if, then")
In the Exodus passage above, the Israelites were only 3 months out from leaving Egypt and they were still wandering around in the desert. So, God made them a KINGDOM even though they had no "official" land boundaries.
In the NT, Peter declared those who are obedient to King Jesus' commands "are a chosen race, a ROYAL (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation..." Notice that this is in the present tense, not a future tense. It's also similar to what God declared back in Exodus above but applying it to the Church. John, after declaring that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on the earth" (Rev 1:5), goes on to say to the King's followers that He "made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father..." (Rev 1:6). What tense is this--past, present, or future?
Hi Jonah. New subscriber here and just saw this post from last year. I completely 💯 percent agree with your take on this topic. I also wants to note that if this is not a christian theology then in my opinion the traching of Thai system of dispensationalism is blasphemy. It is a system that try to add to what the scripture already telling us. Looking forward to hear more of your discussion on Christianity. God bless.
To be clear I don't categorize myself as a dispensationalist or covenant theorist. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that God is outside of time who does things in the fullness of time, is a covenant making and Covenant keeping God.
I do want to note some verses for you to investigate. Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven and which are on the earth even in him. 3:2 if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward. ... it's just a funny but dispensation is actually found there :)
A literal catching away of the saints is biblical or John 14;1-3 would have to be false...Jesus is promising in that scripture that if he goes away that he will come again and (receive) us unto himself... that where he is that we may also be. That's 1. Coming again 2. To receive us 3. Unto Himself 4. That (where He is) 5. We may also be. Those are the words of Jesus and some of us take those words to Heart :)
Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing you that dwell in the dust for your dew is as the dew of the herbs and the Earth shall cast out the Dead. Come my people enter into your Chambers and shut your doors, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast. For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity the Earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This passage of scripture clearly parallels with 1st Thessalonians chapter 4:15-18 and 1st Corinthians chapter 15:50-57 Revelation 3:10
So it's no secret :)
Revelation 20:4 and I saw Thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worship the Beast neither his image neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.
I don't think I need to add anything to that that's pretty clear but there is a rule and reign of Christ for 1000 years immediately following the tribulation.
Just listening to your teaching it's apparent to me that you need to re-read Romans chapter 1 to understand that there are consequences that are going to be the match and judgement will be executed through the Lord Jesus Christ Rev 5:9-10 Also please read 2nd Peter 3 again and re-evaluate what "reserved for fire" just might be implying.
Thanks
If you actually read the Bible you will find it to be a fact. Hebrews is a good example and it's found in Genesis and exodus. The bible interprets it self quite well.
The Bible indeed is often it’s best interpreter…which is why, after I began to actually read scripture in context and then compared Scripture with scripture, I abandoned dispensationalism years ago.
Then you didn't read it properly. The bible would make no sense. Are you under the law? Are you from the 12 tribes? No
ANYONE who is not dispensational time and time again refuse to read Hebrews 9.. the entire chapter. Look at Hebrews 9:22 specifically.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
We don't get Dispensational teaching from thin air. Read Hebrews 9:14-18
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
GOOD LUCK REFUTING THAT
How does that equal dispensationalism?
@rhondaweber5638 because Dispensationalism teaches different gospels for different time periods, and this shows that the new testament starts at the death of Jesus. Jesus's gospel is different than Paul's. Jesus was preaching to jews. Per Matthew 10:5,6. Dispensationalism teaches that God is not done dealing with the Jews and there is a separation from jew to gentile. Obviously. Anyone who doesn't get this, refusing to READ the Bible
All of these videos use the same misrepresentation of dispensationalism to make point using little or no scripture. And by scripture I mean the Old and New Testament, not creeds or tradition.
Paul taught the dispensation of grace. That we are no longer under law. That righteousness is not obedience.
Paul taught about the Kingdom of God and that Jesus is King. Grace is just one of the features of His Kingdom, along with peace, righteousness, joy, love, etc. (Just do a concordance search of Acts and Paul's letters of the word "kingdom") As Romans 14:17 says, "The kingdom of God is not matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
No where does the NT teach that the church is spiritual Israel. I used to believe that and am familiar with the proofs texts but none of those texts actually teach it.
The millennial temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 teaches sacrifices which are for forgiveness of sins which is a theocratic forgiveness. It’s not to secure one’s standing before God and justification. It’s not blasphemy at all any more than the sacrifices in the OC accomplished such forgiveness.
The real problem is for people who reject disp theology and have to explain what this temple is. This temple has never existed and God desires its existence. So it is a big allegory of the church? One must have a wild imagination to try and make sense of all the intricate details in those chapters to apply them to the body of Christ.
The True Israel of God.
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Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
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Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
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Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
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Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
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Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
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Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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"if ye be Christ's"
"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7.
"For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8.
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29.
"For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." Philippians 3:3,
Spiritual and not physical
I agree on Dispensationalism and Pre-Tribulation Rapture, or "Secret Coming"..however I find the the idea of God becoming Man so Man can become God very...strange, I would say if not blasphemous so close to it...I wonder what Scripture lies as foundation for such a statement. God's Peace
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16)
Idk about man becoming God I never heard anyone teach that part but God did become a man
Why , we are refered to as sons of God in the bible. Saved people.
The literal, physical re-crucifixion of Christ at every Mass, & the doctrine of Purgatory are both heresy.
Good thing no church has ever taught the former. And I'd agree with you regarding certain forms of the latter.
Great job - third temple is SO offensive…
So you're saying there's no old or new testament? You have no idea how to rightly divide.
With all due respect, Brother, I don’t think you are being fully honest here. Please correct me if I’m wrong. At just past the 6:00 mark, you claim that “All of the scriptures that they appeal to, that they think teach a millennium temple, a millennial kingdom temple, all speak of sacrifices as an atonement.” Yet, strangely enough, the words “atone” or “atonement” don’t appear in Ezekiel 40 through 48. In fact, those words aren’t in the entire book of Ezekiel at all. So neither dispensationalists nor the Bible speak of these offerings as atoning or atonement. So did you misspeak there?
THEN, following that, you claim dispensationalists have to change, allegorize or deny the language of the text to come up with the idea they are memorial sacrifices. But we just saw the words “atone” or “atonement” aren’t in there. So dispensationalists don’t change, allegorize or deny anything here, do they?
FINALLY, you go on to claim, “We have to take the animal sacrifices in there as atonement.” YOU - YOU - YOU are the one that changes or denies the scripture by inserting the word “atonement.” So you do EXACTLY what you falsely accuse the dispensationalists of doing. Help me out here: Is that called irony or hypocrisy? ; )
When I referred to atonement, I was speaking of the word חַטָּאת used throughout chapters 40-48 to speak of animals offered as "sin offerings." The word חַטָּאת means expiation or atonement.
When seeking to critique someone's exegesis of a passage, it is always good to look at the original language and not just the English translation. If you had done that, you would note that the word atonement is present as I pointed out above.
That being said, I do appreciate the comment and your desire to hold people to what it is they are communicating about Scripture!
Thank you for that very quick response.
While “sin offering” and other offerings are mentioned in Ezekiel 40 through 48, it still does not explicitly say it is for an “atonement,” as it does in many other places, i.e., Ex 29:33, Ex 29:36, Lev 1:4, and dozens of others. So while the offering is mentioned, it does not “all speak of sacrifices as an atonement,” as you claimed. See the examples just given, where they actually DO speak of sacrifices as an atonement.
But that is a minor issue compared to 1) when you think Ezekiel 40 - 48 actually happens, or, if you allegorize or spiritualize it away, as I suspect, what it does refer to (I mean, there’s a LOT of detail given in there for just a spiritual teaching); and 2) your willingness to accept and follow political creeds and Roman Catholic “orthodoxy” over the Bible. By following creeds and confessions instead of studying and rightly dividing the word of truth, as commanded in II Timothy, “have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” (Matt 15:6) Why would someone settle for mere traditions, like the Pharisees in Matt 15, when they could read and study God’s actual word?
Maranatha. : )
@@hereticus40 Seems you are simply trying to avoid the actual definition of the word. I clearly pointed out that the English words "sin offering" are translated from the Hebrew word which means "atonement" or "expiation." English translations do not reveal the depth of the biblical language. You can push back on this all you want, but scholars from all sides of the debate are in agreement with me-including dispensational ones!
Who said Ezekiel 40-48 is a "spiritual" teaching? What a shallow way to understand and engage Old Testament prophecy! One does not have to believe that God's plan of redemption must regress back to a sacrificial system in a temple to take Ezekiel very very seriously.
Finally, your last point is a strawman. I don't follow the Creeds of the Church (all Protestants historically believe them too) over and against Scripture. I hold them as affirmations regarding the truth of Scripture. The Church is, afterall, the pillar and foundation of truth, according to Scripture!
It seems you have an incredibly shallow understanding of the Church and its authority, opting instead for your own authority as the supreme Pope. You do realize that if you ignore the Church-which you clearly say you do-trading instead for the Bible, what you are really doing is trading the community to which God gave the Scriptures, and opting to instead elevate yourself as the sole source of authority-since you are the one interpreting Scripture.
The sacrifices (if repeated) are an INSULT to our Lord High God and Yeshua.
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Ah a Catholic talking about false teachings
Probably all rapturists also hold firmly to the PHYSICAL MILLENIAL KINGDOM ON EARTH. Therefore they cannot be gnostics,!
If you could have explained dispensational theology to Calvin, Servetus would have had to wait 🤣
As much as I dislike dispensationalism, suffice it to say that there are a lot of "four or five letter words" and then some that I would use to very accurately describe John Calvin. The scumbag should've stuck to the law and left theology alone...
What's with the cross and Mary? In the back?
I'm a Christian. Historically Christians have recognized the cross as a symbol of Christ's love for the world. And Mary is a picture of Christ's humility as God, becoming part of humanity through her.
@@merecatholicity Elevation of Mary is a relic of Romanist theology.
@@jeanclaude7018 It's just basic Christian belief. Mary herself said that all generations shall call her blessed. I do. Do you?
@@merecatholicity That doesn't mean she is elevated from human status to deity. That's a viewpoint that originated with the papal church-state hybrid . She's still human, and is resting in the grave awaiting the first resurrection, as far as we know, because the Bible doesn't say otherwise.
Mary was the replacement Semiramis to satisfy the pagan converts' need for a new "queen of heaven" when Constantine made Catholicism the state religion, and the pagans were pulled in half-converted.
It's in the same vein as converting the feast of Saturnalia to Christ-mass, Astarte/Ishtar to Easter, or the 40 days of "weeping for Tammuz" into the 40 days of Lent. It's mo coincidence that all the time frames of these catholic holidays align either with the pagan counterparts. It's essentially baptized paganism. Hard facts of history.
Unfortunately, the papal religion has elevated Mary to a deity living in Heaven now, who is somehow a human capable of receiving prayers just like her Son. There is not a SHRED of biblical unction for this Catholic concept, nor the vain repetition of Hail Marys on the Rosary (which itself is a throwback to pagan beads.)
Because Mary is being ascribed the same ability as God to hear and receive prayer, praying to Mary is WORSHIP of Mary. Mary herself would never accept that, as she was very humble and served God . John on the Revelation was not even allowed to worship an angel. He was told to WORSHIP GOD ALONE. Mary is not a co-redemptrix, nor a co-mediator, per Hebrews.
Friend, MANY sincere Christians are to be found within the Catholic church. But the sad fact is that the catholic church system itself is not biblical Christianity. History is clear that it is a mixture of the Bible, Roman pagan concepts, and globalist politics. There is no denying that. Because so many intelligent people can see this, the papacy has to use scare tactics in its doctrines to keep members there, by declaring that salvation is only found within its confines, and that anyone seeking salvation directly through Christ, or by exploring and Protestant options, is anathematized.
The Vatican has always been a bully, from Constantine's first Sunday laws in 321, to the VICIOUS MURDERS of the inquisitions and the crusades. The blood of countless saints and prophets is found in her, Revelation 18.
The Bible says, Come out of her. Don't you want to, and be free, just like Luther was finally compelled to do?
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@@jeanclaude7018 I'm not Roman Catholic.
Christianity is so messed up. So many additions made to the Textus Receptus; So many named as Apostles who Jesus says are not. So much dependence on traditions and "orthodoxy" instead of proven and comparative manuscripts. No attempt to undo the modifications made to the Masoretic Text nor any major attempts to stop basing English translations around these corrupted documents. Dispensationalism is just one of many heresies. Get in line.
As we near the end of this Dispensation of the Grace of God, many believers will forsake the truth and embrace the doctrine of demons (one being post-tribulation rapture)!
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Mate hear yourself. You aren't thinking well
I've heard some bad attempts to refute dispensationalism, but this one might be the worst. Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever studied church history outside of either the Catholic church perspective or the reformed perspective? If not, I would recommend it. Many works have been produced showing that many in the early church and throughout church history held to forms of what we call dispensationalism. And don't let the word "forms" throw you off. All "Christian" beliefs are seen in forms in the early church. Theology has developed over the centuries to bring us to where we are today.
I was a dispensationalist for over 20 years. It was the theological ethos I was brought up in and nurtured in.
I'm sorry you feel this was a poor refutation. I have read the early church fathers and councils thoroughly - I also studied at a dispensational institution - and it is quite clear that *nothing* close to modern dispensationalism was present in the early church. Anyone who believes it was present has a poor grasp of historical theology and the context surrounding such a study.
In the least, I would hope that if you truly believe dispensationalism (in forms) was taught in the early church, you would also acknowledge the universal teaching of Christ's real presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the essential structure of the Church as bishops, priests, and deacons. If you reject these universal teachings, I have no reason to believe you are a serious student of the early church.
@@merecatholicity almost everything that is taught today was taught in the early church in some form. Just because it was taught in the early church doesn't mean that it was correct. Anyone who bases their beliefs on the early church fathers are greatly mistaken. The Bible is our final authority. And if the Bible says one thing and the early fathers say something different, then I'm going with the Bible.
@merecatholicity Lee Brainard has done a phenomenal job in researching the early church fathers and their teachings. He has found multiple sources, some of which had not been translated before now, that taught the pretrib rapture of the church. It's a great find that's been almost completely ignored by too many. Now, it's coming to the forefront that those who deny that the pretrib rapture was taught in the early church are completely wrong. As we suspected all along.
However, I don't need the early church fathers to decide what correct theology is. I have the Bible.
The Bible that was complied and canonized by the Church led by the Spirit… ironic that you trust that the Spirit led the Church to put together the right books of Scripture, but ignore their authority on everything else.
All theology corrupts.
I don’t need to see what early church “fathers” believed to figure out where I stand in matters of faith. I have a complete Bible in my language, the Word of God and I am told to rightly divide the word. This video is useless.
At 2:30, you say the church is the fullness of what Israel pointed towards. This is false.
Romans 11:12 "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"
The fall of Israel, not their fullness, is the cause of the current dispensation of grace given to Paul (Ephesians 3), until the fullness of the Gentiles become in (Romans 11:25), then after God will save Israel and bring about their fullness (Romans 11:26), in accordance with the scriptures of the prophets to make them a nation above the nations (Isaiah 2, Isaiah 60, Isaiah 66, etc). Dispensationalism explains the fall of Israel, the fullness of the Gentiles into the Body of Christ, and the fullness of Israel into the nation above the nations, in the correct order.
Ok so the jews will repent and acknowlege Christ? thats in ro.11:23? so the terms are set? isnt that the point of the video? we are grafted in, we dont do the setting,,,,,,ro.11.28 As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers.
Sounds like we are supposed to stay out of it, are they the enemies we are supposed to love? i understand this as they will return to the tree before christ's second coming.
@@joetookmyvideo The Jews as a nation rejected Christ, thus they fell and diminished (Romans 11:11), but that is in contrast to their fullness (Romans 11:12). The fullness of Israel is when the nation repents and receives Jesus as their Messiah, after all, Jesus came to redeem His nation and save Israel as it is written. However, it was revealed to Paul that God interrupted that program until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Romans 11:25), and only then will God save Israel (Romans 11:26).
So the correct sequence is, Israel fell, the Gentiles were grafted in, the Body of Christ is removed from the Earth, the Gentiles who are not taken in the gathering are then cut off from God's grace and enter the time of wrath, and God returns to saving Israel. This is the events of Revelation, the Day of the Lord (Revelation 1:10), where God pour's out wrath upon a world that rejected the free offer of grace.
@@VFXShawn the body of christ was left on earth, that has been aknowleged from the time of Christ in the last supper , what do you think the church is? the repenting jews are regrafted back into the root, with the people of christ, God, Israel
@@joetookmyvideo There was no mention of "the Body of Christ" as a group of believers until Paul. Paul explicitly says the body was a mystery (Ephesians 3), hid in God, but now revealed to us through Paul. The church that Christ left on earth at the Last Supper was the little flock, the kingdom of Israel church, which was to inherit the earth as a nation of priests. That group's mission was to convert their nation back to God to usher in the earthly kingdom, but the nations leaders did not repent. So, at the stoning of Stephen, Israel fell and diminished, and God called a new apostle, Paul, with a mystery; that Paul calls "my gospel" (Romans 16:25), which was not made known in previous ages or to the prophets of Israel; how that through Israel's fall, salvation has now come to the Gentiles (Romans 11:11-12). Once the fullness of the Gentiles comes into this body (Romans 11:25), then God shall return to saving Israel as it was written (Romans 11:26).
@@VFXShawn Christ mentioned it at the last supper
Jesus already came, the rapture was to spare believers from Jacobs trouble. If you are denying that the events prophesied in revelation have not happened yet, then you are a dispensationalist yourself.
Of course, this guy and many others don't agree with dispensation. Of course, a lot of people don't agree with this guy either. Of course, this guy post videos and doesn't respond to comments. If you want to post videos step up and answer comments. He's to busy to do anything except make more videos. I am sure he feels he is right about everything. As long as we all agree on salvation the rest is just conjecture.
Dispensationalism is hard core Gnosticism.
Think about what you have stated..Dispensationalism was responsible for most belief in the PHYSICAL actual millennial kingdom IN THE EARTH! This PROVES that they are NOT GNOSTICS.
You understand Gnosticism as well as the guy in the video. NOT!!
@@JosephBoxmeyer Gnosticism: physical = evil, spiritual = good. Gnosticism = stupid. You are clueless.
No, you cannot be a dispensationalist and also a Christian. To claim otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
That's so wrong. I used to be one and so have millions of others who God awakened to the errors of that system and delivered us out of it. Having a wrong eschatology does not make one an unsaved person. As important as eschatology is, it's one of those non-essentials and has nothing to do with one's salvation.
Our sovereign Lord likely has a remnant of true believers in each and every denomination. ✔️
You seem to be very passionate. But you spend a lot of time talking about orthodoxy.And creeds rather than points of scripture that you disagree with. You also say that you would never get dispensationalism by simply reading this text. But I could equally say that of coven intelligent which is the main opposite view. So far all I get is that since it's new it must be wrong. If that is correct then the church's condemnation of slavery which is also a very recent is also wrong. You see we're using ancient views as restandered is a problem. The standard is scripture itself. And the plain reading of scripture without inserting antitematism or ancient orthodoxy would not arrive at covenant theology but would arrive at something else. My suggestion is that you would come up with some version of dispensationalism but not necessarily all of you that you seem to have a problem with.
I do not agree I am a full Preterist and believe that the rapture happen in 66 A.D. under the persecution of Nero who was the beast and his statues were the image of the beast and the Christ return in 70A.D. call Jew and Gentile‘s must be saved by Jesus now and forever when we die in Christ on this earth now we immediately go to heaven research books by Ed Stevens
You obviously reject the bible! Where is Jesus? When He returns to wipe out the U.N. every eye will see Him. I have never seen Him , have you? No
Is He ruling for 1,000 years phyicaly on earth? No
Is the devil chained up for 1,000 years? No
Interesting that you make a 13 min video on theology and you appeal to early church fathers and creeds, but never appeal to one single verse in the scriptures to support your views and disprove dispensationalism. At least a dispensationalist will appeal directly to scripture to support his claims.
The point of this video was theological, not exegetical. I have many other videos getting into the exegetical side of things on this channel.
But, dispensationalists actually ARE NOT Christians. Their wacky end times prophecies make it a completely different religion
Almost a third of the bible is w prophesy. What are you suggesting?
No, not a different religion. But simply wrong, and definitely a major distraction at best. It is a deception by Satan, causing dissension and blunting our witness for Christ
Replacement theology?? Read your Bible in context like any book. Your understanding is complete error.
“As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”
John 10:15-16 NKJV
“Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?- just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.”
Galatians 3:5-9 NKJV
“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
Matthew 3:7-11 NKJV
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the CZcams video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
@@SpotterVideo you’re still wrong. Because you don’t understand the issue. Here it is: the promises God made to the Jewish nation of people, the Jews in the flesh, are not to us. The mystery hid in God revealed only to Paul was NOT prophesied, never before spoken of by the prophets. We are in a mystery period, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile. All people must be saved according to grace thru faith in the finished work of Christ. When this dispensation ends, those promises made to the fathers of nation Israel will be fulfilled. God will start dealing with Israel again and He will write His law on theirs hearts (as he’s done for us thru faith in Christ). They as a whole, as a nation, are in a state of partial blindness…per the apostle Paul as inspired by the Holy Ghost. Context!
@@CT-ob2bw It may have been a mystery to most. However, Paul said it was not a mystery to Hosea in Romans 9:23-26.
Simeon also referred to the Gentiles when they brought the baby Jesus to the temple for the first time.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
That's the dumbest position just off of the thumbnail title of the video. I don't even have to watch the video to understand that it comes from a whacked theological perspective.
So you deny that Christ came in the flesh?
If you don't deny it, you're a dispensationalist. If you do deny it, the Bible calls you one of many antichrists.
There's a difference between covenants.
God didn't give Moses and Paul the same message. If he had there'd be no reason for Paul and the same paradigm applies with Jesus himself. If Jesus had gone deeper into the Kingdom of God ministry, he wouldn't have a need for the apostles to have written anything to us.
It's an absolute lack of spiritual common sense to make that statement about dispensationalism.
You are wrong period
How so?
Dispensationalism is the only theology and the only correct theology. All others are incorrect. Please study Kid-Acts Dispensationalism. Without knowing Dispensationalism you will never ever ever ever understand Gods word.
I prefer to believe as the ancient church did. I'm not interested in following a 200-year-old man-made tradition such as dispensationalism. And if you advocate mid-acts stuff, we have even less in common. That system is demonic.
@@merecatholicity The apostle Paul taught it. When do you believe the body of Christ started? Is salvation the same throughout the Bible? Did Jesus and Paul teach the same thing? What about Moses and Paul?
@@merecatholicity do you follow the earthly ministry of Jesus?
@@merecatholicity so if you believe what the early church did then you go to synagogue instead of church. You follow the Torah and all the Jewish feasts. You wear a prayer shawl? You recite the Shema. You believe works is part of salvation. This is silly nonsense.
@@merecatholicity so you do not talk to other gentiles? Because Jesus told His disciples not to go to the gentiles.
I’ve known dispensationalists and covenant theology post-millineals and even preterists…honestly I always see the things they get correct and then see what is wrong as well. There are a few things in all these beliefs that are scriptural, but always have errors in them. So I end up believing in all of them. I think Israel will be restored, but Christ is the only way, and only the Jews alive in the end that turn to Christ will be saved. All Jews won’t be in heaven just for being Jews. All people baptized as babies won’t be in heaven for just being baptized as a baby. Etc etc. There are true thing in just about every “sub-genre” of theology and also errors in them.
I’ve known people that claim to be dispensationalist that actually don’t believe in full on rapture or a separate Jewish millennium. My dad is a preacher and has said he was a “mid tribulation pre-millienal”. And also said he is dispensationalist. It’s too many little words that have been invented that jumble everything together and lots of times people aren’t super rigid in the fine strict points of the written out form of the system.