My first rifle was a Marlin 336 in 30-30, with Marlin scope. I've gotten a dozen blacktail with it. I also have two old Winchester carbines in 32. special. Both great calibers.
Some debate between the .30WCF and .32WS and why both exist. As factory loaded they are, for practical purposes identical in power, ditto for modern jacketed bullet handloads. However I did read that the .32WS can duplicate .32-40 with cast bullets and black powder quite well. Maybe there was something to those old stories. But sad to say, .32WS is all but gone in 2022. Knew an old cowboy with a saddle ring carbine in .32WS. Also knew a rancher with a 94 that had started life as a .32-40 and had been rechambered to .32WS. He was pretty proud of his rifle and was on cloud 9 when I sold him 2 boxes of Silvertips that I had scrounged up by chance at a store.
I just looked at the Winchester website, and they are bringing out or back the model '94 in .32 Winchester Special! Apparently this was announced at 2018 Shot Show.
I have a Miroku Winchester 1894 in .32 Winchester Special, per serial number research made in 2018. Apparently the $1399 MSRP is what most stores sold them for.
Thanks for the vid.Have both and have found very little difference, The 32 special seems to carry a bit better. Knock-down a bit further out. I'm talking 75-125 yds. 30-30, Equal or better at 100 yds or less. my experience only. Both have served me well. Know your target!
Excellent video, thanks for keeping it moving and interesting, great job. I have a gorgeous Marlin-JM 336/30-30 (1980), $425 and a Win 94 32 spl (1926), $695, great condition. Now I know how they perform against each other thanks to you! Very very informative and fun to watch.
French 8mm Lebel was First smokeless cartridge in 1886. 30-30 was the first smokeless cartridge from Winchester. It was developed off the 38-55 Ballard black powder target cartridge from the 1870’s
I own a post war model 94 .32 special. Was my dad's gun , and then my grandpa's before that. If I remember right , it's around a 1950 - 1955. I sure would like to get some ammo and go play around with this rifle. I got to shoot it when I was young , but that was 40+ years ago.
My father bought me a marlin 30-30 as my first rife and iv just inherited my grandfathers 32 special. also own a browning 30-06 and 300wsm in leaver action.
Between the 30-30 and the 32 spl.I prefer the 32 spl.The special kicks less due to the 1 -16 twist rate and typically runs about 100 fps faster than the 30-30 and the 32 is .321 dia and the 30-30 is .308.The 32 will shoot black powder all day long where the 30-30 with its 1 -12 twist will crud up with every shot.Now the down side to the 32 spl.ammo is twice as expensive, the bore condition has to be good or better or accuracy suffers where the 30-30 can have a bore that looks like a sewer pipe and still produce good accuracy.They both like the 170 gn bullet the best but the 32 hits harder,has more dia. shoots a little flatter and is easier on the shoulder.Both are great rounds and on deer you're not going to be under gunned with either but the 32 gives you a slight edge
I know right! I have been looking on the interwebs for a recoil calculator that used twist rate for recoil calculations but couldn't find one. That being said though, I did have a gunsmith friend of mine rebarrel an old 94 30 30 and used a reverse twist and the gun actually recoiled forwards. In other words the gun moved forward when firing. I had to put a recoil pad on the front of the gun just so it wouldn't bruise the meat of a deer shot by it.
The first smokeless ammo was the round used in the french 1886 lebel,but in 1892 the US army adopted the .30-40 Krag round and that was the first smokeless adopted by the US army.... John browning filed his first machine gun patent in 1892 for what became later the 1895 Colt machine gun nicknamed the patado digger I have a 1894 Lee Metford here that a Britisch gun made in 1889 or 1890 till 1896 if i am correct and its desiged for the smokeless .303 britisch round used in WW1 and 2 basicly but around that time period the united kingdom for some reason loaded the .303 british round with black powder (some say the smokeless powder wasnt in good quality/stabil other says production wasnt up for demand) The 1886 Winchester had as base round 45-70 meaning most cases where derivatives from that round. The 1892 Winchester had as base round the .45 colt and the 44-40 38-40 all come that round more or less (just no original 92 is chamberd for .45 colt) The 1894 Winchester had as base round the 38-55 witch was a black powder round that later became the basis for the 30-30 and .32 winchester by necking it down a bit and load it with smokeless powder.. My message is the 30-30 and the .32 Winchester are not the first smokeless loaded cases on this planet...
.32 WS has 10% more muzzle energy than the .30-30 so more punch at short range, less terminal energy at longer ranges, as you note. The .32 WS has 1:16 twist. The .30-30 was the first civilian smokeless US cartridge in 1895, but it was preceded by the US Army's .30-40 Krag in 1892.
30-30 is a great cartridge. .32 Win spl was an improvement. However the dominance of the .30 cal with the introduction of the 30-06 and subsequent.30 cal family cartridges killed the .32. I like the .32 Win spl but if I had to pick a lever bush gun I’d go with the .35 Remington. It’s the better cartridge of them all in a bush gun in my opinion. Lots of great cartridges have gone the way of the dinosaur. I wish the .351 Winchester would make a comeback in an auto loading platform like the AR. Such a great cartridge for what it is.
Michigan Life Preppers I must agree with you on the 35 as a superior brush gun. That's on my list of guns to do a video on. I have never seen a .351, I will look it up.
@@terrymcpeak452 seeing as how the cartridge dimensions are identical aside from bullet diameter, it's possible, but it would most likely damage the gun.
Not sure, but my 1 friend at work was going to sell me his dads old 32 Win for like $150.00 to $200.00 the most, about 15 years ago and I did not buy it, and now for the past few years I kick myself in the butt from not buying it. But I've been seeing the used 1s at Cabelas for like $500.00 to maybe $600.00, from looks of them they look like they are in good shape. Maybe your friends does not have no scratches or gouges etc...on it his is why he maybe asking $700.00.
If its got a good bore ,action and wood its worth it.Thats all the money on them at thus time but they are gonna keep going up just like the pre lock smith revolvers and colts .
My first rifle was a Marlin 336 in 30-30, with Marlin scope. I've gotten a dozen blacktail with it. I also have two old Winchester carbines in 32. special. Both great calibers.
Some debate between the .30WCF and .32WS and why both exist. As factory loaded they are, for practical purposes identical in power, ditto for modern jacketed bullet handloads. However I did read that the .32WS can duplicate .32-40 with cast bullets and black powder quite well. Maybe there was something to those old stories. But sad to say, .32WS is all but gone in 2022. Knew an old cowboy with a saddle ring carbine in .32WS. Also knew a rancher with a 94 that had started life as a .32-40 and had been rechambered to .32WS. He was pretty proud of his rifle and was on cloud 9 when I sold him 2 boxes of Silvertips that I had scrounged up by chance at a store.
I just looked at the Winchester website, and they are bringing out or back the model '94 in .32 Winchester Special! Apparently this was announced at 2018 Shot Show.
That's great, I didn't know that. Thanks
I have a Miroku Winchester 1894 in .32 Winchester Special, per serial number research made in 2018. Apparently the $1399 MSRP is what most stores sold them for.
Thanks for the vid.Have both and have found very little difference, The 32 special seems to carry a bit better. Knock-down a bit further out. I'm talking 75-125 yds. 30-30, Equal or better at 100 yds or less. my experience only. Both have served me well. Know your target!
Excellent video, thanks for keeping it moving and interesting, great job. I have a gorgeous Marlin-JM 336/30-30 (1980), $425 and a Win 94 32 spl (1926), $695, great condition. Now I know how they perform against each other thanks to you! Very very informative and fun to watch.
French 8mm Lebel was First smokeless cartridge in 1886. 30-30 was the first smokeless cartridge from Winchester. It was developed off the 38-55 Ballard black powder target cartridge from the 1870’s
I own a post war model 94 .32 special. Was my dad's gun , and then my grandpa's before that. If I remember right , it's around a 1950 - 1955. I sure would like to get some ammo and go play around with this rifle. I got to shoot it when I was young , but that was 40+ years ago.
My father bought me a marlin 30-30 as my first rife and iv just inherited my grandfathers 32 special. also own a browning 30-06 and 300wsm in leaver action.
Between the 30-30 and the 32 spl.I prefer the 32 spl.The special kicks less due to the 1 -16 twist rate and typically runs about 100 fps faster than the 30-30 and the 32 is .321 dia and the 30-30 is .308.The 32 will shoot black powder all day long where the 30-30 with its 1 -12 twist will crud up with every shot.Now the down side to the 32 spl.ammo is twice as expensive, the bore condition has to be good or better or accuracy suffers where the 30-30 can have a bore that looks like a sewer pipe and still produce good accuracy.They both like the 170 gn bullet the best but the 32 hits harder,has more dia. shoots a little flatter and is easier on the shoulder.Both are great rounds and on deer you're not going to be under gunned with either but the 32 gives you a slight edge
I know right! I have been looking on the interwebs for a recoil calculator that used twist rate for recoil calculations but couldn't find one. That being said though, I did have a gunsmith friend of mine rebarrel an old 94 30 30 and used a reverse twist and the gun actually recoiled forwards. In other words the gun moved forward when firing. I had to put a recoil pad on the front of the gun just so it wouldn't bruise the meat of a deer shot by it.
@@Strutingeagleoutstanding!!😂😂😂
Shoots a heavier bullet faster and kicks less? Cool
Awesome video! I’m a lever gun guy too. Winchester 94 and Henry. Plus my three S&W revolvers, that’s about as tactical as I go!
8mm lebel was the first smokeless cartridge
Even though they preformed mostly the same the shock wave of the 32 was greater, could tell by the water spray
to my knowledge the label was the first smokeless cartridge. the 30/30 was originally designed as a black powder cartridge.
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
The first smokeless ammo was the round used in the french 1886 lebel,but in 1892 the US army adopted the .30-40 Krag round and that was the first smokeless adopted by the US army....
John browning filed his first machine gun patent in 1892 for what became later the 1895 Colt machine gun nicknamed the patado digger
I have a 1894 Lee Metford here that a Britisch gun made in 1889 or 1890 till 1896 if i am correct and its desiged for the smokeless .303 britisch round used in WW1 and 2 basicly but around that time period the united kingdom for some reason loaded the .303 british round with black powder (some say the smokeless powder wasnt in good quality/stabil other says production wasnt up for demand)
The 1886 Winchester had as base round 45-70 meaning most cases where derivatives from that round.
The 1892 Winchester had as base round the .45 colt and the 44-40 38-40 all come that round more or less (just no original 92 is chamberd for .45 colt)
The 1894 Winchester had as base round the 38-55 witch was a black powder round that later became the basis for the 30-30 and .32 winchester by necking it down a bit and load it with smokeless powder..
My message is the 30-30 and the .32 Winchester are not the first smokeless loaded cases on this planet...
.32 WS has 10% more muzzle energy than the .30-30 so more punch at short range, less terminal energy at longer ranges, as you note. The .32 WS has 1:16 twist.
The .30-30 was the first civilian smokeless US cartridge in 1895, but it was preceded by the US Army's .30-40 Krag in 1892.
32 is just a lil better IMO.
The 6.5x55 swedish was developed before the 30-30 and it is a smokeless powder cartridge.
I didn't know that, thanks.
And that Swede is a sweetheart cartridge.
30-30 is a great cartridge. .32 Win spl was an improvement. However the dominance of the .30 cal with the introduction of the 30-06 and subsequent.30 cal family cartridges killed the .32. I like the .32 Win spl but if I had to pick a lever bush gun I’d go with the .35 Remington. It’s the better cartridge of them all in a bush gun in my opinion. Lots of great cartridges have gone the way of the dinosaur. I wish the .351 Winchester would make a comeback in an auto loading platform like the AR. Such a great cartridge for what it is.
Michigan Life Preppers I must agree with you on the 35 as a superior brush gun. That's on my list of guns to do a video on. I have never seen a .351, I will look it up.
Can you shoot a 30-30 round in a 32 Winchester
I do not know. I would think not. I'm not going to test it.
Terry MCPeak Negative
@@terrymcpeak452 seeing as how the cartridge dimensions are identical aside from bullet diameter, it's possible, but it would most likely damage the gun.
that was excellent....that's what i wanted to know.... if you want to step it up a bit over the 30 30 you would go to a 35. rem.....
I have a 1949 win 38 special..same age as me
Real nice video!
Awesome video
Lever action guns can be tactical in there own wright
Why did they make the .32WSM? So they could sell you a new gun to go with it. Nice rifles and nice job.
I'm not real familiar with the 32WSM. So I don't know who or why the cartridge was made.
Weight times volume times velocity divided by drag of the wind and then by gravity
i got a used marlin 32 win spl w ab+l scope fof 75.00 from a guy in 1973 like new
Hey! Is that Don Knotts on your t shirt? Barney Fife?
Yes indeed
Thks my friend has a 32 selling for 700 do u think it's worth that early 40s model
I've got a 40 model myself. I'd take 600 for mine if your in Tennessee
Not sure, but my 1 friend at work was going to sell me his dads old 32 Win for like $150.00 to $200.00 the most, about 15 years ago and I did not buy it, and now for the past few years I kick myself in the butt from not buying it. But I've been seeing the used 1s at Cabelas for like $500.00 to maybe $600.00, from looks of them they look like they are in good shape. Maybe your friends does not have no scratches or gouges etc...on it his is why he maybe asking $700.00.
If its got a good bore ,action and wood its worth it.Thats all the money on them at thus time but they are gonna keep going up just like the pre lock smith revolvers and colts .
I can't find ammo for my 30-32
I want to special order a 32-06
is this Jr Samples ? no part of a .32 or a 30.30 bullet measures .305
Of coarse it does. Just start near the ogive and move foreward until you get that reading.
What's the largest animal that you can take down with a .32 WS? Could you successfully defend yourself against a grizzly bear with it?
I would think, but probably nothing smaller than that.
@@leechild4655 I think you meant nothing bigger than a bear
@@egmjag perhaps, just don't quote me on that. ;-)
@@leechild4655 Well, I'll try to remember that when I write my book
Feel FINE on DEER.
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Bear at a good “distance” safety💡
Does anybody know how much ammo is for a box
If I tremendously correctly the Gander Outdoors I work at has a green and yellow box at 20ish
$24 per box of 20 in 32 ar cabelas
A 15 minute video that could have been done in 30 seconds.
@woodrowmagnus2535 But it wouldn't have been nearly as fun or as thorough. You can look up the specs online and tell they are the same.
I turned off the video when you said, LEE-VER!
Why?
Don’t like how Americans talk?
@jrdeckard3317 Then you missed out on a fun video. Your loss. With all of those Chick-fil-A tea jugs, you should expect to hear "Lee-Ver".