Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) Vs Analogue | What Really Is The Difference?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- The all-new ABS braking system from Bosch has taken the E-bike world by storm and is packed with some exciting features including surface adaption, rear wheel lift control and active wheel stabilisation! Steve Jones is joined by Matt Davies out in the Swiss alps to put the new system through its paces in a series of informal tests to explore some real-world differences between ABS & analogue brakes!
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What do you think of the ABS systems on E-Bikes? 🤔 Would you like to try it out!?
Let us know down below!👇
I wouldn't buy such an expensive bike (I don't have an E MTB at all) but I surely wouldn't say no to a test ride ;-)
Mmhh that's not so easy... "trying" this kind of solution means that you have to rent or buy a bike with the latest version of the bosh system and aren't cheap... so I don't think I'll try that, I'll keep my rail without the Bosch "smart" version 😬
@@simonm1447 My entire point is that I want to see how it could affect pro racers, and you are forgetting about EWS-E where it might appear if it proves useful for them.
@@LastAphelion Ok, in this case I misunderstood you. Since I don't live on the American continent I know Whistler Bike Park but I am not familiar with the individual trails and racing series there. In this regard it might be a interesting test.
Always a good ride!
@@simonm1447 The EWS-E has taken place in Scotland, France, Austria, Slovenia, Switzerland, Italy etc
I would love to see the outcome of jamming the front brake while turning. Both on a good traction surface, like clean dry pavement; degraded traction, like wet pavement; and finally on loose dry dirt.
Absolutely brilliant.
It should be obvious that ABS is always going to be better at braking if you just want to stop.
Quite often though I'm also steering using my brakes, or manuvering last thing I need is some system double guessing me and letting off the brakes when I'm sliding a turn over roots or stepping on the nose of the bike on a steel tight turn.
So that leads me to questions, does abs affect technical riders with examples like above.
Also as a long term motorbike rider I'm used to being my own abs, so how does a rider who can really modulate the brakes fair.
The place I'd most actually like to use this is steep slippy clay runs over winter where ANY use of the brakes could send you over as I could see this actually being worth it for that period over winter.
And lastly can you turn the abs off? Or adjust it?
Look what happened to Rossi when they brought Abs into Abs into GPS, he went backwards as the new kids were adapting to the Abs technology better. I can't wait to try it out. 👌🏻
How are you steering with the front brake?
This should have been same rider with same line with video overlay of all the runs!
would this be advantageous on steep technical terrain where i find the sheer weight of my e bike a bit harder to control at times
The next big update will be the removal of the pedals and adding a throttle lol.
Next time do an ABS versus only disc brake using same branded XC or gravel and commuter bicycles with same tyre set-ups on varying scenarios/obstacle courses.
Please test in a tight, steep, wooded downhill. Will it provide more confidence or be intrusive?
It inspires more rider confidence! Feel free to check out a previous video we did showcasing how it works in a wooded downhill setting. czcams.com/video/9JT2aBv7stg/video.html
@@embn This other video illustrates exactly what I wanted to see. Not sure how I missed it being a fan follower of EMBN. Thank You!
Totally usless on MTB, but on commute bikes that run 45 km/h in the city it will be useful.
We think they'd be great for both! It has the potential to reduce the number of crashes you have through losing traction. 👍 Check out this video for more info. 👉 czcams.com/video/9JT2aBv7stg/video.html
Test it in deep road crush, round and sharp. famous places for washing out the front wheel. Lots of city like to service some trails with gravel.
Would you consider ABS to be a desirable option if you were buying a Mountain Bike
Thanks for taking the time and good luck 🍀
What’s the point of lying in the test, half of it is invalid
What's the lie?
Abs would drive me nuts on my MTB in the technicals off road.
on the road it would be good in a emergency I'm sure. 🤔 Can U turn the abs on and off on the fly?
They say you can turn it off on the E bike display (it's only available for E Bikes yet). It also seem to have an offroad mode
Different riders, different bikes you will get different results. Rather than looking which one stops at shorter distance you should be checking which bikes feels more confident inspiring.
Did you or I miss the most important detail in this test, namely the tires, both bikes had the same tire fabric and pressure🙄
what about stopies?🤔
I don't think rotor diameter will affect minimum stopping distance with (or without, for that matter) ABS, given that the underlying braking system is capable of locking the wheel. Bigger rotor diameter can improve modulation and heat rejection, but not minimum stopping distance. Would I have ABS? Maybe after a few design generations when the engineers achieve a good balance between the panic stop emergency and normal aggressive riding.
a big diameter with the same pressure con the rotor, you can make more force againts the rotation wheel
@@isaiasmartin6035 But the limit of slowing down is tire traction (if you can lock the wheel), not braking power.
If the answer is yes ABS is better than analog....then please for those of you in the motorcycle world (I'm a rider too and if your bikes range from road, dirt, adventure and who are also mountain bikers....like me) that have ABS on your motorcycles....if you were the kind of motorcycle rider that grew up on analog (normal systems) but then went to ABS because you bought the motorcycle with it as standard or option....what was the learning curve? More importantly, did your riding style change? If so, was it for better or worse? And to put the cherry on top....would you want this ABS system on your e-MTB? 🤙
Is the ABS only on the front?
Yes. The rear just uses a speed sensor for the data
Really cool tech. Hate to know the cost though 😂
Very cool tech indeed! For some people this will really be a game changer, and for others not so much!
Wouldn’t e been a better test if they were the same bikes except for the brake system.
So no Endo Turns with ABS then.
Self riding Emtb's next year? It's getting a bit to much guys. No way would I use ABS.
Interesting. I don't think 'analogue' is the correct word for the normal braking system though.
Yeah, that's all eMTBs need. MORE complications on top of the already crazy maintenance and parts required to keep the thing rolling ffs. Hard PASS on the 'anti-lock'. Cheers
You don't have to use them lmao..
ABS is always better, always. Even in the Moto GP some uses meanwhile ABS. And many said it is useless but you can brake later and much harder. Why should it be different on a mtb?!
Sorry but ABS is not allowed in MotoGP - see their rules.
Not a fair comparison. Both bikes were running different tyres.
You can switch it off - so it would have been interesting to test the ABS bike with ABS and also with switched off ABS. In this case you would have the same tires, the same tire pressure and even the same bike geometry
IF the ABS is operational during braking a 220 rotor will make no difference to braking distance as the system determines maximum braking.
I guess the big rotor improves modulation, and it offers a better heat dissipation and a higher heat capacity. Electric bikes are heavier than normal MTBs, I use a 203 mm on my commuter E bike (not a MTB) but I wouldn't go smaller than this on E bikes.
I'm not that heavy (less than 75 kg), a heavier rider on an electric bike needs powerful brakes
@@simonm1447 Hi, I am not saying that a 220 is not better only that combined with ABS it may be no different to a 200.
Beat solution for us.........don't brake and God save the king:)
I don't really see the point of this. Sure ABS maybe new on MTB's, but they are far from new and these same questions were asked with the same results.
If you need ABS on your MTB you should not ride MTB. Other than that, great video, and the system would be great for casual city riders.
Uhg...yes, I understand "just a bit of fun" but so utterly invalid. Different tires, different suspension, different bikes...might as well have been different places and different conditions! Why Even Bother...unless you are trolling fir these kind of comments?
What's the difference?
One I can afford and one I can't..
One I want on my bike and one is optional.
Hi Dave! To get more info on the ABS brakes check this video out. 👉 czcams.com/video/9JT2aBv7stg/video.html
Steve dear ohh dear, hopefully the comments here make sence. This abs is a fad. There is nothing wrong with std hydraulic brakes ,just learn braking 🤣
Disc brakes? Oh dear, just a fad. Learn how to brake with normal rim brakes, noob.
Hydraulic brakes? My, my…so expensive, you don’t need it just get gud lol.
1x drivetrains? You can pry my front derailleur from my cold dead hands.
Is this tech a fad? Maybe. It’s new, and it’s expensive, and it changes something fundamental to how bikes (currently) work. I don’t think it will be the standard for a long time, if ever. But it’s a cool new concept and I am fascinated to see how it plays out.
I do not care about ABS on the front wheel - I do not need it there. Looks useless as of now.