Garmin Rally RS200 Power Meter Pedals Review | SPD-SL & SPD Compatible Power Meter!
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- The Garmin Rally power meter pedal system is the world’s first power meter pedal with native Shimano SPD-SL cleat compatibility. With Shimano SPD options available too, mountain bikers and gravel cyclists can now measure their power output using Garmin's system.
Available as either single or dual-sided, with three different types of pedal body - each compatible with either Shimano SPD-SL, Look Keo or Shimano SPD (off-road) cleats - the Rally is more of a power meter ecosystem than Garmin’s outgoing Vector 3 power meter pedal system.
With the Rally ‘ecosystem’, Garmin clearly has its sights set on the gravel and mountain bike markets, as well as the road bike market.
Garmin is also making the individual pedal bodies themselves available to purchase separately as kits (dubbed ‘Rally conversion kits’), so that a road pedal body can, for example, be swapped to enable compatibility with off-road cleats and gravel or mountain bike shoes.
Promising power data accurate to +/- 1 per cent and 120 hours of battery life, the Rally pedals maintain the slick form factor of the Vector pedals, with all of the power meter internals and battery being housed within the pedal spindle.
Simon Bromley, Bikeradar’s Technical Editor, talks us through the pedals and how they compare to other power meter pedals and cranks across the market.
What do you think? Are power meter pedals better than power meter cranks? Let us know in the comments!
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What do you think? Are power meter pedals better than power meter cranks? Let us know in the comments!
I'm not to happy about having been used as a beta tester for what is clearly this as the flagship product, having bought the vector 3 pedals - plagued with problems as they were... My advice - stay away from these as you don't know if they'll work in the mid to long term. Buyer beware
A grand... for pedals... yeah nah!!! 😂
not for that price they aren’t
Now that such things have been out for a few years you think yes finally they'll of made a cheaper more accessible product and we can all train with power.
But no they're more expensive
Idiots.
@@eccehomer8182 it’s not a grand for pedals. It’s a grand for a dual sided power meter that also allows your shoes to clip in.
There goes the family’s Easter holiday, dads getting new pedals
I lost interest once I found they were more expensive than my bike.
I think you'd be mad to be one of the first to buy these. So many issues with the vectors early on. I'd wait for them to go down in price and work out the kinks
Absolutely. My VEctors were a nightmare
Incredible turn of events. Last week, wahoo announces their new version of the speedplay pedals incluing a powermeter version and now Garmin hits back.
£1k to find out you’re pushing 250w 🙄
In my case, 150w. Ayy LMAO
Lol! Or less in my case!
Completely misses the point of why someone would use a power meter
How many watt you are pushing isn't really the point. Just to have something to measure your progress or effort. It's a valuable tool but of course not a must have if you just want to enjoy the outdoors
A single sided meter will get you 95% of the data you need at half the price.
I had the V3 for a while and i was extremely disapointed with the design of the baterry cap... As a criterium racer and former track cyclist so i used to pedal through the corner while being aware of the pedal strike risks... First corner on the left and a tiny rub on the ground (no crash) complety loosen the left end cap resulting in the loss of the cap + baterry. Left side beeing the master pedal that send the datas from both pedals to the head unit, i lost access to my power data for the whole race. Good job garmin designers not to think about using counterclock wise thread for the left pedal cap ! #slowclap I hope they change the design for their off road pedal as i can't imagine to never pedal strike on my mtb.......
Hi Aymeric, Simon here. Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience.
Like I said in the review, power meter pedals are generally always going to be more exposed to pedal strikes and crash damage - it's just part of the nature of their placement on the bike. Though the Rally battery doors and pedal bodies can be replaced if damaged, a spider or crank based power meter might be a better option for people who race crits or road races (where crashes/pedal strikes are sometimes unavoidable).
It's hard to find one type of power meter that does everything perfectly in every situation 🤷♂️ Though we'll keep looking of course! 😉 Thanks for watching! 🤝
Ground clearance can certainly be an issue on XC bikes. Reducing clearance is definitely a consideration. Be really interested to hear a long term review for the off road version.
Thank you for the review! Although this product is out of my price range, I am hopeful the release of these pedals will spur other manufactures to invest in similar products and help drive the price down.
Great review, are you aware of any compatibility issues with Wahoo head units? and how would you manage a firmware update without a Garmin computer?
Thanks for the clear information! i would prefer pedals because of the compatibility and easy swapping with other bikes, personally i used gravel and mtb, and i cant afford powermeters for both bikes
I died when I saw the price. The world wants budget SPD power meter options come on now its been long enough! $1000 is a new bike! These are pedals!!
actually, and this is coming from a budget cyclist that would NEVER spend $1000 to even save 500 grams on my bike! $1000 for a bike is cheap! If anybody was looking for power meter options for a $1000 bike I doubt they were serious anyway and probably care more about the weight of their bike than they did their own weight!
@@stevetaylor2233 the hell? If they are spending money on a power meter and riding a 1000 dollar bike should show they they care more about their training their bike.
Hmm, maybe, I have been waiting for something to through on the MTB XC bike
Not just the asterisks is taken from the vector 3
It’s just a slight update from vector in the Spindel ....
U can buy a conversation kit and upgrade your vector 3 pedals to get 90% of the performance
Aaaand if u buy a vector 3 U ve the same pedal body exempt the metal threads and the orange color of the battery door
Ps I love my vector 3 s but that’s some information that will some will need
99%
The changes from the Vector 3:
- slightly better battery life
- metal battery door threads
Ouch .. crazy expensive. I think I will stick with Favero
I wouldn't personally buy these. First, $1,200 is very expensive indeed for a power meter in 2021. There are many excellent and less expensive dual-sided crank-based options with superior battery life. Secondly, I don't think a lot of people swap power pedals around different bikes... which after all is the main selling point of pedals like this. Also, the ability to convert between different pedal bodies seems like something few people would actually want. At half this price, these start to make some sense.
it is much easier to get a generic set of pedals for multiple different bike options than to get a specific BB/arm length/ spindle length proprietary single bike crank based power meter...
When you buy a bike for $8,500 you might as well be able to monitor your cadence and power output accurately. The new cycling computers pair everything including the gear shifting visual of Shimano dI2, giving you a visual of where your gears are located without looking down. Yes these are expensive but the new Shimano crank with power is $1500. The crank needs recharging, this pedal requires a battery change. Pro riders are going to go with the crank but riders like me only want measurements to motivate me to ride more. Worth the money if you can afford them. Not for everyone. A gizmo. You can’t resist the lure of technology to make you more aware and to measure performance.
Cmon favero assioma, make conversion kit pleaseeeee
Is there any expierienced riders that have acually tested the rs200? im intrested please?
I´m one sad owner of a Vector 3 pedals. Several issues with the battery cap and power drops. The warranty was marvelous and replaced the awfull produc for.... 5 times?
Never would buy a powermeter from garmin again.
Hi
Do the pedals come with a +4mm option like the dura ace ones ?
Thanks
Hi, Simon here, thanks for watching. There's only one axle-length option with these, so no +4mm option like with Dura-Ace. They do come with a set of 2mm spacers, so it might be possible to make up the other 2mm with your cleats, but maybe worth checking before making a purchase.
Cheers and have a great day! 🤩
Think I’d rather just buy 2 or 3 single sided crank based power meters. Haven’t looked into the market recently, but pretty sure these prices are pretty compared to most meters in the market.
Hi Travis, Simon here, thanks for your comment. You're correct that single-sided power meters are cheaper (there's a single-sided version of these pedals, as mentioned in the video!), but mainly because you're only getting half the product.
Since they only measure power at the left leg and double it, they're more like power estimators than power meters, if you get my analogy. Unfortunately, human's aren't always completely symmetrical and unless your left / right balance is 50/50 at all times, then the single-sided power meter can't really be accurate.
For example, my left / right balance tends to be around 46 / 54 on average at the moment, but can vary significantly second to second, and at various power outputs - if I used a left only power meter it would underestimate my power output quite significantly, which messes with my FTP settings, training zones, fitness tracking, Zwift performance, race modelling, etc.
Compared to other dual-sided power meters, the Rally is certainly at the premium end, but it's by no means the most expensive power meter on the market.
Thanks for watching and have a great day! 🤝👀🌟💥
@@bikeradar Definitely considered this (was typing on my phone initially).
I definitely see the advantages of people in your scenerio. I only know so many doctor/dentist cyclists, but my main point was money to outcome in the real world. Most of the time power meters are utilized to keep a cyclist in zone 2, FTP tests, or gawking at top power numbers. It is true that you can't get all those minutia of features or move them as easy, but the cyclists I know don't swap bikes that much and a left only is cheap enough in comparison to get a dedicated crank arm for every bike. I know some do, but I can't imagine a large proportion of cyclist actually have more than three bikes that they need power on. If so, switching a crank arm is not much harder than swapping a pedal (depending on the crank).
The pedals are definitely better, just thinking of value as it pertains to my own opinion. Chris Fromm did plenty fine single sided.
Thanks for the review! It's still an exciting product as it shows the potential future, especially as prices come down.
(hopefully this didn't seem argue-y, definitely not my goal.)
@@travischapman6763 Hi Travis, thanks for your reply - doesn't seem argue-y at all, don't worry! We always love to hear different perspectives.
I do agree that switching crank arms isn't overly hard, but having a crank based power meter also means you need to use the same cranks and crank length across every bike, so there are advantages and disadvantages to every power meter system. Which type is right for any one cyclist will depend on personal preference/riding style to a large degree 🙂
Re. Froome and Team Sky, yes they did ok (or more than ok haha) with single-sided power meters for a little while, but don't forget that was a paid sponsorship arrangement, and Sky got Stages to develop dual-sided power meter options for their riders quite quickly, so - for me anyway - I think it's really more illustrative that dual-sided is better if you take your training/racing seriously. Happy to agree to disagree on that though, as I guess you can look at it either way.
No worries, glad you found the review interesting. I do agree the price is going to a sticking point for many, but at the same time if people really want SPD-SL compatibility and the switchable pedal body options, then maybe it makes sense as a long-term investment.
Thanks again for watching and have a great day! 🚴♂️💨🔋🌟🙏🔮🙌
assioma the best!
Is this an advert or a review? 1000 for some pedals with a strain gauge?
Simon here - it's a review. You can read my full written review on BikeRadar.com too; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/garmin-rally-rs200-power-meter-pedals-review/
The price is steep, but it's also the only SPD-SL compatible power meter pedal on the market, so for some that might be enough to justify it. For others, it won't be, and that's absolutely fine.
If it's just some pedals and a strain gauge though, why not have a go at making some yourself and let us know how you get on 😜
hate when there's a firmware problem and my pedals don't work
Unless you pro, what is the point. How long Will those mountain bike pedals last? They not going to make you faster. I can spend this money on better deals. Like two 3 day stage races. I also have less crap to think about when I ride.
I miss the 80’s when I just jumped on my Colnago steel bike with Campy SR groupset clad I’m my wool Del Tongo jersey and Vittoria wood soled shoes, no helmet, pulled my toe clip straps tight, and rode. A much more purer organic era of riding than all this electronic crap I now own 🙄lol. So anyway on topic .. have you compared accuracy of these pedals against the Dura-Ace 9100P Crankset? I ordered those cranks and literally before they arrived saw the new Dura-Ace 12sp groupset so sent them back without even opening the box, but now am thinking power pedals make more sense being able to swap em around on my different bikes. Thanks 👍
The problem on the road pedals is the battery doors are drastically worsening your cornering clearance and prone to hit the floor and you can even lose them as they were too dumb to make em a left handed thread on the left side.
Hi Lefp, thanks for your comment.
As I've said elsewhere, this is, unfortunately, a somewhat unavoidable problem with all power meter pedals - they're always going to be more exposed to damage from crashes and pedal strikes than, for example, a crank- or spider-based option.
For those who don't push the limits of cornering, I generally think it's not an issue. But if I was still racing crits I'd probably look at a different type of power meter. There isn't a perfect power meter for every type of bike and rider, sadly.
Not 100% sure what you're referring to with the thing about the threads? Do you mean you want the left-side battery caps to be reverse threaded like the spindle threads? I've never lost a battery cap on Garmin pedals, personally... 🤷♂
@@bikeradar so basically what happens with the vector 3 onwards where they moved the batteries/caps to the outside you will strike the ground with the cap (I imagine that's why it's made out of metal... whoever designed this intended for this jk), and on the left side it managed to unwind the cap and made the battery fall out, I had to turn back and look for all the parts when I noticed ;-)
But I wasn't really serious, I mean you really don't want the aluminum cap threading to ruin the (iirc plastic) inner threading either by overtightening.
Which brings me to another thing, while it's nice to have big Allen key openings (you mention that in the vid) that don't wear out on the caps, I always liked the design approach that Allen key size on components used to roughly correspond to the max torque you are supposed to apply. It's usually cheaper to ruin that part instead of pulling out the inner threading or breaking a component entirely (stems, seatpost clamps or the oil reservoir lids on Shimano sti s- those 2mm Allen key screws are especially prone to wearing out, but whoops... you were only supposed to put like 0.3 NM on, else your whole sti can get ruined)
Law and behold, I managed to pull out the threading on my first set of v3 and ended up gluing them in. Garmin exchanged them tho later on because of another issue phew.
Anyways back to the pedals, I had vector 2 before vector 3 and it was a non issue since they had the pods -if you remember. But it feels like a bad design choice to put the batteries on the outside and make the lids that chunky, especially on the bottom side of the pedal where they drastically lessen your cornering clearance... I feel like who ever made this does not realize how important clearance can be, especially with low bb gravel/Road frames.
I ended up giving my v3 away because of this.
Gonna order the rally xc200 now though ;-)
Sorry if I seem like a smartass I just wanted to elaborate on your reply, thanks for reacting to my comment at all :-)
@@lfp531 You don't seem like a smartass - thanks for watching and leaving a comment! 🤝
Holy fuck those are up there in price.
F*cking finally!
That price!!!!!
Very tempting technology wise and the price is super expensive. I hope that garmin is watching and would do something about it. Same goes for their computers and other products as well. Not intuitive to use and although steady, Garmin products are way overpriced for the average consumer. You can buy an excellent indoor trainer for the same price
Hi Mohamad, Simon here - thanks for your comment. I won't deny that the price puts these firmly at the premium end of the power meter market, but don't forget that a power meter for your bike can be used both outside and indoors, but you can't take the indoor trainer out with your on your rides (or at least, it wouldn't be easy! 😉).
Thanks for watching and have a lovely day! 🤩🏄♂️🏆🎧🚲
Ill just buy 2 4iiii crank and ill still have a spare for a bib short.
I thought this channel is dead
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come on @bikeradar.. this is just another add. Why don't you critise the Vector Pedals and Garmin's inability to build it as a reliable powermeter? Nearly everyone had issues with Vector pedals.. I changed mine at least 3 times before I switched back to Assioma's. Dont just advertise, TEST!
Hi Marcus, Simon here. This clearly isn't an ad, and it's also not a review of the Vector 3 pedals. We reviewed those previously and reported on some of the issues we found at the time; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/garmin-vector-3-power-meter-review/
I'm aware some people had problems with their Vector pedals, but I also have a set of recent Vector 3 pedals and haven't had any issues with them. I can't just make up problems that I haven't personally experienced.
As for this review (i.e. the Rally pedals) - I did extensive testing that uncovered an issue with power accuracy, but that issue was resolved before launch. Again, I can't just magic up things to criticise if I don't experience any problems.
I've also reviewed Favero Assioma Duo pedals, and think they're a great option too; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/favero-assioma-duo-power-meter-pedals-review/
1099€, in case you're wondering.
That's right - too many prices to read out everything in the video, but we've got them all on BikeRadar.com though; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/garmin-rally-rs200-power-meter-pedals-review/ Thanks for watching! 🤝
It's ridiculous expensive. I can buy 2 single sided 4iiii cranks for the price of 1 pair of garmin pedals
You can make Assioma work with SPD's lol
Hi Stefan, Simon here. You can unofficially - not sure if it would void your warranty though...? The pod on the spindle also might mean you'd need off-road shoes without any aggressive tread on the side of the shoe, which could be a bit of a compromise. That said, I do think the Favero's are a fantastic power meter pedal option - I also gave them 4.5/5 stars when I reviewed them last year; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/favero-assioma-duo-power-meter-pedals-review/
I think it's great we've got some good competition going on in this space now - more options for us consumers can only be a good thing! Thanks for watching and have a great day 🤝🔋🚴♂️💥
@@bikeradar I agree the more options the better 👍
Yes, but you'll lose the warranty when you do. The retailer for those pedals in my country, made the conversion to MTB for a client. While riding the client hit the sensor; which is terribly exposed on the Assioma pedals, and broke it. When they contacted the factory they obviously didn't give them any warranty. I don't get the praise for the Assioma pedals, sure they are "less" expensive than Garmin Rally. But the Rally pedals just seem so much more robust, there's barely any exposed electronics, aside from the lights. Garmin thoroughly redesigned the battery cap and to this day, I haven't seen or read anyone complaining about the reliability of the battery caps in the new Rally XC pedals. In my experience with anything that has a built in battery is proprietary battery chargers, proprietary connectors and losing all of the equipment when the battery fails. Another positive thing for me and the Rally XC is the replaceable battery and interchangeable pedal bodies, for a fraction of the cost of a new power meter, I can make it work on other cleat system. I got my XC200 with a 25% discount, damn right I was going to buy them.
Another overpriced bike gadget? ;) For a grand you can get a decent used bike and a 4iiii crank. Works for me. Plus I don't have to be scared of hitting the pedals accidentally
A thousand dollars for pedals...
those coin cell batteries will persist in the environment for millions of years 😫😪
Same with pedals with built-in/non-replaceable Lithium ion batteries. As long as they are not replaced by the manufacturer. E-waste is a huge problem.
No one cares, my industry collects all our used batteries for recycling properly. The waste collectors take them to the land fill with rest of the rubbish, in the same lorry.
The left is constantly pushing electric options including mostly electric cars with huge ass lithium batteries! They tell us it is to save the planet! HAHAHA!!
Ha ha! Those prices are a joke! How about something priced towards amateur club riders 🙄
Unfortunately you'll probably be waiting another 10 years if you're expecting $200 power meter pedals.
lol the price, no XD
Worst purchase ever, all kind of issues, sent emails to Garmin, however, they don't respond .....
Who the hell can afford all this crap? Seriously, professional cyclists and old fat bankers might get some use out of this and that's about it. I really wish you guys would review stuff people might actually buy instead of super bikes with 1k pedals...
Hey Ruairihair, we have loads of reviews of affordable kit on BikeRadar.com. Let us know if there is anything else you would like to see covered! www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/best-cheap-road-bikes/
🎯They're purely for those that sound similar to "bankers".
Stupidly expensive. No ty.
No thanks garmin. Your vector 3 were disappointing, hit or miss. And that those prices, nah forget it.
I am Laughing with these 💩 product 🤮
WHY ON EARTH IS ANY SENSIBLE HUMAN BEING INTERESTED IN -ANYTHING- LOOK MAKES ? TOTAL GARBAGE !
$1600 AUD! This Chanel is becoming more irrelevant every day. I bet most of the buyers of these will only use them on their Sunday ride to a cafe for a soy cappuccino.
Hi Paul, Simon here - don't forget, we don't set the prices for these things 😅 As I said in the review, the price difference compared to its closest competitor (which I've review for BikeRadar.com; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/favero-assioma-duo-power-meter-pedals-review/) is fairly hefty, but the price is also still inline with the premium end of the power meter market. Sadly, dual-sided power meters are still generally quite expensive 😓
We do also cover cheaper bikes and kit, especially on BikeRadar.com; www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/best-cheap-road-bikes/. Likewise, if people just want to use these for their Sunday cafe ride, there's nothing really wrong with that - each to their own after all. We're just trying to give our lovely audience a fair, independent assessment of the product.
Thanks for watching and have a very lovely day! 😇🤝🌞