Glad it exists, but it needs better balancing. Gunner should have much more HP, blightstormers should exist but with much longer CDs than campaign, life leeches would be nice and skill expressive, but with a longer CD on their teleport so they can't just TP in, TP out. Assassin should do more shred dmg based on distance travelled to land on a hero, which would incentivize sniping and would also allow players to have a second or two to react to a sniping assassin by shooting him out of the air creating great gameplay moments and rewarding skill, and hookrat... he should just be a little faster in all his actions, honestly. Also, give players bosses to control, like rat ogre etc. And voila, I think it'd be pretty great.
@@temst2561 Yes that too, their CD should be a second or two longer, but Blightstormers have practically 100% uptime on their storm if they have LOS, so they'd need a massive CD nerf. :)
I'm curious if they could do melee units, especially something like a Chaos warrior or Stormvermin with a shield to give the pactsworn team something more resistant to ranged damage. I wonder if they could do something where every so often, the pactsworn team could spawn or vote to spawn together as a group of savages/plague monks.
It's cool, there's a lot of work to be done tho, it's omega unbalanced right now towards the heroes. Pressing W it's too OP and the rats cannot do anything to punish them for continuously doing so
@@withgoodtaste did they really cut off bosses out of pool. Are they really that dumb to cut one of best part of Left 4 Dead? Even in Killing Floor 2 PVP you can play patriarch...
Would be perfect if the Skaven had some control over AI. Like spawning hordes or elites in place of special abilities. Rattling gunners are rally only useful if the heroes are busy with something else, so having an option to make them busy would be great.
Finally! The mode, which ideally should have appeared at the exit of the game, and which was promised in the first part, appeared in the second later... how long?
Want to enjoy the but pugging it is so fucking painful. Hoping some friends get in soon because the Skaven side really needs good coordination to succeed. Also I do have some concerns about the balance when it comes to gear are skaven going to be able to progress to keep up with gear improvements on players or will they not have gear at all and if so will there be any rewards for playing.
I dont think its possible to play as elite, I haven't played L4D pvp but i think you could only pick special zombies not elites@@huntermorningstaraensland3311
Wish Verses was like a Twitch thing where people in the chat and have the game can queue up to join in and play as Elites, Specials and even Monsters, would be so cool. Like also more than 4 players too, 4 v 4 is too small, 4 v 8 or even more would be so cool
That sounds horrible, 50 people joining a minute lol considering how fast you die Then if someone has a slow connection/PC you make the whole thing op or boring af
@@jeremytan739 just double-triple the CD of the storm and he should be fine, bigger issue why shark didnt include them is probably the incredibly difficult to balance/upkeep teleporting abilities, their maps are notorious for being badly designed on a geometry metric so in testing they prob kept teleporting out of the map when TPs are manual and that's easily abusable
yeah, sure would be fun to be a melee only character with no gapcloser so you die 100% of the time before you can even swing your weapon. or better yet, getting one shot headshotted from 90% of the meta weapons!!!
Maybe for mere mortals. But for those who wish to enter the crucible of skavendom and come out the otherside, they'd be like a new breed of vermintide player@@conorstabler6093
@@conorstabler6093 Nah, people clear cata + deeds all the time, so I dont really see why it would be impossible at cataclysm difficulty. Arguably they should bump up the ingame difficulty from recruit to champion/legend to make the specials actually threatening. The way it is now, healing is so incredibly abundant and damage so little people can genuinely go full speedrun-team and just slam through missions before the specials can even do much.
Should add in some more rat types too, jezzels beg for this level of verticality, one shot with ok damage and a long reload, the rat ogre or even monstrosity, hell even a storm vermin packleader since this seemed like they were never even pressured with trash mobs. The flamer, gas and assassin seem to be the only real dangers the rest are dead in a hard sneeze, still interesting.
You are playing the gunner incorrectly. you are playing him reactively whereas you should be playing him proactively. he is slow, you do not have the time to chase enemies with him. Better to set up at a horrible choke for them.
Wow only 5 years late Fat Shark I purchased this game based on Versus mode comments from the devs. Its 2024. Why cant you pick the stomer guy or the witcher doctor bloke?
i really wanna be positive but i don't think this is gonna go anywhere xd, this isn't what the game needed, this mode is gonna need a ton of careful balance for people to actually enjoy and i don't think fatshark is capable or willing to invest the time into it, so most likely it will basically be dead on arrival.
I can understand being skeptical about their execution, but I have no doubt fathsark will do their utmost to make a fun experience with it. The base gameplay so far has been very fun, and as a proof of concept is phenomenal. It obviously requires a lot of balancing but they have many ways to do this.
i hope it turns out alright, the playerbase of this game has been dwindling and i would like to see it go up again, it was my go to game to play on a weekend or when i had free time.@@thebenvz.
Darktide is sorely in need of big content dumps, but they would rather dedicate a team to make a versus mode for a game that is half a decade old and gets around 2k average players, whilst their brand new game came out unfinished and has dropped to around 3.5k player average. The decision making at Fatshark is baffling.
@@mememachine6763 there are two different dev teams, bozo. I agree with your sentiment though. As sad as it sounds, they should move people to darktide where they will be earning the majority of their revenue for the foreseeable future. This game's lifecycle is reaching its end and doesn't require content updates or dlc as badly as darktide does, with only 2 missions being added in over a year of being "live service"
Glad it exists, but it needs better balancing.
Gunner should have much more HP, blightstormers should exist but with much longer CDs than campaign, life leeches would be nice and skill expressive, but with a longer CD on their teleport so they can't just TP in, TP out.
Assassin should do more shred dmg based on distance travelled to land on a hero, which would incentivize sniping and would also allow players to have a second or two to react to a sniping assassin by shooting him out of the air creating great gameplay moments and rewarding skill, and hookrat... he should just be a little faster in all his actions, honestly.
Also, give players bosses to control, like rat ogre etc.
And voila, I think it'd be pretty great.
u mean globadiers instead of blightstormers
@@temst2561 Yes that too, their CD should be a second or two longer, but Blightstormers have practically 100% uptime on their storm if they have LOS, so they'd need a massive CD nerf. :)
God no please no blightstormers.
I'm curious if they could do melee units, especially something like a Chaos warrior or Stormvermin with a shield to give the pactsworn team something more resistant to ranged damage. I wonder if they could do something where every so often, the pactsworn team could spawn or vote to spawn together as a group of savages/plague monks.
Blightstormers would be very broken. Even now AI can cast storms through the walls sometimes
Versus is pretty cool so far, I think fatshark has something good cooking here
It's cool, there's a lot of work to be done tho, it's omega unbalanced right now towards the heroes. Pressing W it's too OP and the rats cannot do anything to punish them for continuously doing so
Thank god someone is actually doing this properly after l4d2
@@robertoravelo1940rats need a point system to like summon enemies as Allie’s, like stormvermin squads or chaos warriors or even maybe a rat ogre
@@chasejordan5676 I'd say a points + deaths system where if they die to much they could get additional backup.
@@robertoravelo1940 fr, you can just run through most attacks and brush them off
So far Fatshark is cooking good. About time someone started doing the l4d versus format and made it real close to how l4d's works.
Yeah, someone other than the "oRigiNal cREatorS".
I just hope we get to play the bosses too
My favourite is STORMVERMIN AHH Yeah baby.!!
As far as I know Fatshark said "nein".
@@withgoodtaste NOOOOOO
@@withgoodtaste did they really cut off bosses out of pool. Are they really that dumb to cut one of best part of Left 4 Dead? Even in Killing Floor 2 PVP you can play patriarch...
@@MaSuDezender I'm happy we are getting a new L4D2-esque Versus Mode again to play.
From what i can gather in this, warrior priest and grail knight will sadly be almost unplayable with how much special sniping you need.
Warrior priest can counter specials with his ult very well. And taking dmg gives him ult CD, allowing to spam it quite frequently.
@kubakowalik6598 fair enough, but still, grail knight will be a burden unless we get to play as bosses.
Needs more melee threats to force melee builds to be used
Gang up on one hero at a time and use packmasters to bait heros into preset traps? Yes-yes, kill kill!
This is going to get big and popular~!
This looks fun, I hope they increase the frequency of trash mobs and add more specials:)
Ngl, this looks awesome
oh nice, gameplay
Versus was really fun.
I enjoyed it a lot.
Would be perfect if the Skaven had some control over AI. Like spawning hordes or elites in place of special abilities. Rattling gunners are rally only useful if the heroes are busy with something else, so having an option to make them busy would be great.
i really like the new versus
with only 5 choice of rats to control i feel like people will get bored of this very fast
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There need to be more hordes of ai enemies or a way for the rats to trigger a small hord on their enemies
This actually looks cool af
12:30 so thats why assassins always run back and forth for all these years
Finally! The mode, which ideally should have appeared at the exit of the game, and which was promised in the first part, appeared in the second later... how long?
I always knew it would be great if they pulled the trigger. I hope versus will revive the game 🤞
Just from a glance this makes it look like the heroes barely take worthwhile damage compared to oneshotting skaven.
have you played vermintide 2? That's how it is in game on difficulties below cataclysm.
seems lore-accurate
About fucking time Fatshark starts the closed beta for something they ironically promised us since open beta.
nice nice !!!
love this so far
Very fun
This is so cool so is it only skaven can you not play as a blightstormer?
I wish Chaos Warriors/Stormvermin were playable.
Want to enjoy the but pugging it is so fucking painful. Hoping some friends get in soon because the Skaven side really needs good coordination to succeed.
Also I do have some concerns about the balance when it comes to gear are skaven going to be able to progress to keep up with gear improvements on players or will they not have gear at all and if so will there be any rewards for playing.
I don’t think they are going to make an entirely new set of weapons for skaven, think it’s more on the level of lfd2 versus.
I know this is just alpha test but do you think there will be chance to play as blightstormer or life leech?
I’d like to play as a Rager or Beastmen Gor plant the banner
I dont think its possible to play as elite, I haven't played L4D pvp but i think you could only pick special zombies not elites@@huntermorningstaraensland3311
Maybe, they would probably be pretty boring to play and i think 2 blights could keep a team trapped indefinitely.
I want to play a Chaos Warrior! ;)
I want to play as the Plague monk or a Berserker so badass
I thought this was dead 4 years a go and than I see on steam that a versus map has been added.
The killfeed being in the center of the screen is absolutely aids.
game mode should have more hordes to spawn, since the specials lack a "Boomer" to summon mobs
Been a while since you played L4D2 versus huh?
Wish Verses was like a Twitch thing where people in the chat and have the game can queue up to join in and play as Elites, Specials and even Monsters, would be so cool. Like also more than 4 players too, 4 v 4 is too small, 4 v 8 or even more would be so cool
That sounds horrible, 50 people joining a minute lol considering how fast you die
Then if someone has a slow connection/PC you make the whole thing op or boring af
You would die the same way with 4? It wouldn’t change anything other than the connection probably
4v4 is the ideal versus if you want to play 32 vs 32 people play battlefield games
@@DeathMarkBR
There is always modded realm for that kinda stuff too, leave the fun silly ideas to that.
@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi nope
Is versus a dlc? or is it some kind of a mode? already out?
You think we'll be getting Blighstormers or Leeches?
Blight might be too strong
@@jeremytan739 just double-triple the CD of the storm and he should be fine, bigger issue why shark didnt include them is probably the incredibly difficult to balance/upkeep teleporting abilities, their maps are notorious for being badly designed on a geometry metric so in testing they prob kept teleporting out of the map when TPs are manual and that's easily abusable
I really want to play as stormvermin or berserkers!!!!!!
yeah, sure would be fun to be a melee only character with no gapcloser so you die 100% of the time before you can even swing your weapon. or better yet, getting one shot headshotted from 90% of the meta weapons!!!
@@confiteor266 you get it :)
Why does everything do 0 damage
When i was playing cata a single hit did half my hp
the closed alpha is set to recruit difficulty.
I think balance wise, cata would be almost impossible for the heroes.
Maybe for mere mortals. But for those who wish to enter the crucible of skavendom and come out the otherside, they'd be like a new breed of vermintide player@@conorstabler6093
@@conorstabler6093 Nah, people clear cata + deeds all the time, so I dont really see why it would be impossible at cataclysm difficulty.
Arguably they should bump up the ingame difficulty from recruit to champion/legend to make the specials actually threatening.
The way it is now, healing is so incredibly abundant and damage so little people can genuinely go full speedrun-team and just slam through missions before the specials can even do much.
@@h.h.w6084Cata + deeds would be MUCH easier than going against a team of 4 good specials with cata spawns, health and damage. It wouldn't be close.
On ps4 too old gen?? Ima go hope on ass soon as i get home
how to enter versus mode ?
saving pvt legate
Not all teh classes and balancing all over the place. I think they just left thius gamemode on the shelf for too long
That poor team playing against the best 😂
"the best"
Fatshark cooking?
Should add in some more rat types too, jezzels beg for this level of verticality, one shot with ok damage and a long reload, the rat ogre or even monstrosity, hell even a storm vermin packleader since this seemed like they were never even pressured with trash mobs.
The flamer, gas and assassin seem to be the only real dangers the rest are dead in a hard sneeze, still interesting.
baso left for dead versus
You are playing the gunner incorrectly. you are playing him reactively whereas you should be playing him proactively. he is slow, you do not have the time to chase enemies with him. Better to set up at a horrible choke for them.
18:16 bruh
Let them cook I say, let them cook.
(But sending feedback is always a good thing)
Jfc no one has played l4d clearly
Wow only 5 years late Fat Shark I purchased this game based on Versus mode comments from the devs. Its 2024. Why cant you pick the stomer guy or the witcher doctor bloke?
Is this real or some mod ?
Real real
i really wanna be positive but i don't think this is gonna go anywhere xd, this isn't what the game needed, this mode is gonna need a ton of careful balance for people to actually enjoy and i don't think fatshark is capable or willing to invest the time into it, so most likely it will basically be dead on arrival.
I can understand being skeptical about their execution, but I have no doubt fathsark will do their utmost to make a fun experience with it. The base gameplay so far has been very fun, and as a proof of concept is phenomenal. It obviously requires a lot of balancing but they have many ways to do this.
i hope it turns out alright, the playerbase of this game has been dwindling and i would like to see it go up again, it was my go to game to play on a weekend or when i had free time.@@thebenvz.
I disagree with you
Darktide is sorely in need of big content dumps, but they would rather dedicate a team to make a versus mode for a game that is half a decade old and gets around 2k average players, whilst their brand new game came out unfinished and has dropped to around 3.5k player average. The decision making at Fatshark is baffling.
@@mememachine6763 there are two different dev teams, bozo. I agree with your sentiment though. As sad as it sounds, they should move people to darktide where they will be earning the majority of their revenue for the foreseeable future. This game's lifecycle is reaching its end and doesn't require content updates or dlc as badly as darktide does, with only 2 missions being added in over a year of being "live service"
Looks really unbalanced and frankly boring.
then dont play it!
@@someonenoone. God you people are cringe. Hes obviously not going to play it...
@@Vampshroom420 thanks for commenting man, really appreciate the passion!
It's almost as if an alpha version of the mode meant to test the core mechanics, is not made to be fully fleshed out and balanced yet. Wild.
You are wrong