Are White Rock's High-Rises THAT Bad? - The White Rock High-Rise Dilemma
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2024
- High-rises are a controversial topic for those living in the City of White Rock, but are they really as bad as everyone says? Has the city gone too far or is this just the beginning?
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Thank you Arden, you made me feel nostalgic! Lovely post and drone footage!
I think this might be my favourite comment! Thank you so much Matthew, I'm glad this video had an impact on you!
I love this new generation of young story tellers. Doing their research and getting deep into a topic.
This is such a well done video Arden!
Thanks Uytae!
as someone from a city with 500.000 inhabitants where no highrise has been build in the last 30 years. (yay europe) We have all the same problems so its ludicrous to think high-rises caused them.
Wow! And that’s in a city with over 5x the population of White Rock/South Surrey! Crazy how uniform these issues can be
@@TheGreaterDiscussions it gets even wierder. most (we have 81 of them) of the highrises if you can call them that at 52 meters (14 stories) tall build in the 60s-80s here in Dresden are low-cost, association and student housing. The only taller buidings are a hotel (56 meter) , a Zigarette Factory (disguised as a Mosque/ 62 meter), the Local World Trade Center (57 meters), a historicall industrial Mill (63 meters), and the city council and Castle Towers (both 100 meters tall).
I live in a city with 490K, we didn't build any residential building taller than 5 floors between 2006 and 2021... and that recent one is the only one built since 2006 (also, it is somewhat debatable on just how much it qualifies as a new high rise build, when it is 6 floors of residential above an existing 4 level parking garage that the city had abandoned). And we have all the same problems as well.
Luxury high rises are the cause of the problem, they are a symptom of it. When there are only a few places in the city that you are allowed to build anything other than single family homes, when you actually are able to get a hold of one of those lots where taller building is allowed, are you going to build the duplex where you can only sell those two units to recoup the land and construction price, are you going to build a three level apartment where you can maybe get a few dozen units paying back your costs, are you going to build 4-5 levels where you get another couple dozen units, but now have the expense of building an elevator system, or do you go all out and build as tall as you can get away with, because that elevator shaft is a bit of a sunk cost as long as you don't build so tall that you end up needing more of them, and all you are doing is adding more units to pay back your costs. And, if you are investing that much money into the project, because even though the economics work better going taller, the risks go up as well, so you may as well target as wealthy of a clientele as you can to increase your odds of making a return on your investment.
Opening up a lot more areas to allow for a much larger variety of development opens up economies where it does make sense to build a four-plex with more modest amenities to target to working class families. It makes more sense to make a solid, but basic, three level building with apartments affordable to low income families.
That's likely true as socialist policies affect everyone..
Do you live on waterfront property?
Thank you for reminding me of home. I went homeless and ended up in Quebec so I could live indoors on my pension. My childhood and my sons early years were often spent at the beach; sometimes stayed in cabins at White Rock. I was born in North Vancouver. In both places you may find yourself travelling over a hill to suddenly seeing the ocean through the trees. That is what I have in my dreams to come home to see again. I guess few ask where the displaced go. 🥰🥰🥰🤑🤑🤑
I’m 62 years old - I remember when White Rock was a sleepy border town with not much going on. But that was part of its charm, at the same time. Now, the entire Metro Vancouver region is under pressure to create housing. And one thing that never changes is that the wealthy never experience a housing shortage.
I find that despite the changes in density, White Rock still has a lot of its historic charm! They’ve got some crazy visions for the future waterfront too
I think the peer in white rock is its prettiest feature tho I rarely go out there
@@Bunny11344 You may get killed by walking in that area.😩🙄🤯
My 86 year old mother lives in a nice older apartment building that is being surrounded by huge towers over the last 7 years, with more to come. More traffic, yet ironically fewer neighbours, what with most of the new towers being inhabited by foreigners if they’re inhabited at all. Sad.
Homelessness is no longer hidden because the number of people being displaced by gentrification is so high. When you build expensive towers it raises the property valuation in the entire area, and land taxes increase. Which means rents increase, which in turn means many, many people are displaced. The number of homeless has risen dramatically since they began gentrification of the DTES and the Surrey Central area. We can not remedy this problem while we still allow the elite and corporations to tax dodge. Btw, retirement communities are not cheap, they are a far cry from affordable housing unless your income is around 2,500 p/month.
The bottom line is, there needs to be more affordable housing everywhere.
As someone who grew up in White Rock, I honestly like the new towers. Semiahmoo mall, and all the strip malls were frankly terrible parking craters. My biggest beef with development in the area is all the terrible stuff going up along King George Blvd. It's far too car centric and completely unwalkable.
Glad to see someone else from the area who’s got a good understanding of how good infrastructure works!
Yeah the nonsense from South Surrey and White Rock NIMBYs is insane. The Semiahmoo town centre plan was massively downscaled from original proposals. I felt like a lone voice advocating as a young person for a place to live in my future during the creation of that plan. I ended up moving away for my sanity.
We still need cars folks 😂
@@freedombro6502 well you're in luck, because there's certainly no shortage of infrastructure built for them! The same can't be said for walking and biking.
@@freedombro6502 I think there’s often a misunderstanding when people talk about pedestrian and cycling infrastructure. I sincerely doubt the world will ever be completely car free, nor do I really hope for such a reality. Cars have their place, but they’re pretty overvalued right now. In my opinion, it would just be great for every transportation method to be usable on a similar scale.
they fucked my town up so bad :/
They don't care. They made money. It's all about greed.
Great video. I grew up in White Rock in the 80s and 90s. It may seem ironic but I think we had more diversity then than now, diversity in housing, diversity in income and ability. My parents bought their mixed-use building on Marine Drive, across the street from where you were standing at the old train station, for $50,000 in 1980. It was where we lived and worked. Growing up there were rich kids and poor kids, a healthy mix of class. There was one homeless person in town who was well known. We ourselves were solidly working class back in those days but could still own a home on the beach.
yup ur spot on i remember all that including THE homeless guy ! i’m not living there now my work takes me around the globe but my roots will always be in White Rock no matter how it changes 🙃
I also grew up in WR in the 80/90. The homeless mans name was Ryan. I always think about the fact he told my dad someone gave him a bible and he used it as rolling paper and smoked the whole thing lol He was always really sweet and kind.
I grew up in White Rock and lived there for 33 years. The main issue with the high rises is that White Rock only has a limited amount of tax revenue for the city to function.. It has long been a concern that White Rock could get swallowed up by Surrey. White Rock has no businesses or industry which provide tax base revenue for the city to function. Their only sources of tax revenue has been residential housing, and the parking meters along Marine Drive. White Rocks city limits run from 8th to 16th, and 160th to 132nd. So 8 blocks by 28 blocks. Its a small town, with limited space. Creating population density high rises is the only way to increase taxable income for the city to function.
White Rock's city limits fall between Marine to North Bluff, and Stayte to Bergstrom. You have a very Surrey-centrist outlook. 😬
Hi Levi-
I think reasonable people would agree (including yourself?) that it's possible to introduce a mixture of uses such as commercial and office and not necessarily build high rises. We're all familiar with many jurisdictions in the US and Europe where everything is pretty much built a the human scale (2-6 stories), and the economics work.
The same destruction has taken place here in Halifax. I just returned from a tour of New England cities (Providence, Portland, Portsmouth), and they're urban design standards are much higher than Canada's. And they're not dealing with a government dedicated to the task of tripling the US population - as is happening here in Canada.
when they cut out trees they made White Rock into a parking lot, Joni Mitchell song about making parking lots back in the 1970's so here we are They had refused to listen. Thanks Arden.
i love your enthusiasm dude, super entertaining and thought provoking
Thank you! I hope you stick around for what I've got in the future
Great journalism! You earn one subscription. Hope to see more. PS - On a personal note, I think the answer to the homeless is more mid-rise supported buildings. These people don't just need homes, they need a support staff who will help them, feed them and support them on an individual level and treat them like humans. I think Atira is a great example of an organisation here that does a great job at that. The more funding we throw at these kind of organisations the better. A lot of those who are homeless are dealing with substance or mental issues, and just need that support they need to stay off the streets.
I totally agree.❤ if Finland can do it, so can we.
I dont want to raise a family in a box
Condo-apartment life certainly isn’t for everyone, but that isn’t to say it doesn’t suit anybody. I’ve seen a lot of families moving into the walk-up apartments and row homes I talked about in Grandview and Morgan Crossing. It’s a good middle ground.
You might have missed the rather important details of Oceana Parc retirement community!!! It's for the rich seniors, not the ones depending on their pensions.
From the website: 1 bedroom suites start at $4599/month....that's a limited time offer but does include meals and cleaning. 2 bedroom + den units start at $12,300/month.
Thanks for bringing this up, can't say I'm too surprised. The main point I was hoping to make with Oceana PARC is how it's a dedicated high-rise senior complex and that hopefully we could accomplish non-market housing targets with similar approaches.
I appreciate the work you put into this ! Good job
When the company that built the luxury condo building that you live in builds another luxury condo building that blocks your view, that’s just the way of the development company creating a bunch of low income housing. No more view = lower priced housing units
Never thought of it like that! Hahaha
Not how it works
Sounds logical until you learn that the most expensive high rises are buying up air rights to protect their views. Now analyse that little tid bit of info.
@@ceered1017exactly how it works
@@derekcox6531It's more like expensive housing being blocked by even more expensive housing. Realistically, the value of the unit with the worse view will never drop.
With the passing of BC Bills 44, 46, and 47, any meaningful public consultation with regards to development is finished. Where there's transit and in White Rock's case with future bus rapid transit, the province can and will dictate density.
Great Video and A Canuck myself. It's clear to see Vancouver is changing so its up to us to speak our voice and make the changes we want. Personally I like the Density as long as we minimize sprawl improve urban life and maintain our forests!
Growing up in and around White Rock, I'm genuinely excited that we are trending towards more medium and high density housing.
Uptown White Rock will look incredible in the coming decades! All in time for better rapid transit
3:50 loved this part, you really did stay up till 5:00am
Yep haha. That was one of the longest parts to edit
At work we have a client that owns six of the low density lots in Semiahmoo around 156 Street. They worked with their architect and the City of Surrey at the OCP stage to subdivide into 14 lots. I'm not sure how this will change with the new BC mandate when each lot can essentially build up to three units. Their design for the home includes a basement containing a 2 bedroom suite and a potential studio, only requirement they have not met is parking for the basement units.
Outstanding, informative and super engaging video. Well done!
I'm delighted to see young people taking an interest in these issues. It's easy, when you're young, to adopt a fashionable, passive, low-effort cynicism, then complain when society doesn't address your needs. Young people caring, thinking, learning, and most of all VOTING, is the path to progress. If you go to any public meeting for some development issue, it will invariably be dominated by older people with a "hey, you damn kids, get off my lawn!" mentality. All sorts of decisions get made that disproportionately reflect that group --- which is a legitimate part of a city's life, but far from the only part.
It’s great how easy it has gotten to be able to participate and have your say in big city projects. I hope many others will participate in council hearings and provide useful feedback!
Thanks for posting! Nice to see niche content
Soon White Rock will do it's self justice in the eyes of Yellowknife: a city with significantly less people and 9 buildings 10 stories or higher (with the highest being 17).
I came from Chilliwack, a city with only a 9 story building added for over a couple of decades. Doesn't change much. The growth is towards the highway and Sardis.
Nicely done. Thank you for this 🎉🎉🎉
Those photos at the start were so nostalgic!
Thanks for your video as i have not been to White Rock in a long time. You do great videos
Extremely informative and very well spoken. Subscribed
Glad to have you here!
You got good quality videos for such a small channel. Hope you grow.
Thank you very much!
Just found the channel. I guess you're hitting the algorithm 😊 good work
Great video. White Rock is an interesting case study for development. It's so far removed from most of the metro region, yet there is very high demand to live there (for obvious reasons).
Nice. I seem to be coming back to your work more and more.
Great to have you here!
GREAT WORK! DIDNT KNOW THIS MUCH ABOUT WHITE ROCK
What a great video, as a person who grew up in the 70s,80s, and 90s in ocean park/ crescent Beach/ white Rock I saw the expansion and I mirror what your saying. And Fyi I grew up with a family from south Africa with your last name.
I lived there in the 70s, currently it is a text book example of shocking, gross over development.
Someone must have profited immensely
It's always about greed and B.C. is the king of greed when it comes to real estate.
What a great video essay
Well done video. Very professional.
I’m moving to White Rock in one week! How did CZcams know to recommend this video? (LOL). Anyway, fascinating video. Very well done Arden, thank you!
Great video, had never heard of this place.
Thanks for creating local content like this.
Fire video dude! Very imformative!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the video! You should make a video on the development of Surrey Central becoming a new downtown core. I really enjoyed how you showed us how times have changed from 2008 to now. If you did the same for the Surrey Central area, you’d notice a significant difference too
What’s been going on at Surrey Central and King George Hub is INCREDIBLE! I very much remember how it looks 10 years ago, it’s crazy. If (when) I end up covering Transit-Oriented Development I’ll definitely talk about Surrey. But I’ll have to consider making it its own video too
@@TheGreaterDiscussions That’d be awesome, definitely looking forward to it :)
Really interesting and well presented
A beauty of a video
Thanks Clara!
You have done an excellent job of research and presentation in this thoughtful and easy to watch and understand video! Big congratulations and I hope to see more of your videos here. My one concern is about the resources of our community such as hospitals, police and fire departments that have not expanded to meet the needs of this increasing population. About homelessness, there is a millionaire in our Eastern Provinces who took his own money and 2 years of time in order to build a tiny house village of 96 homes for those in need. God Bless all those who take time to be kind and do what they can for others.
Thanks for the video. I remember when the resturant was on the side of the pier (2:29). Getting on the train to Portland and Vancouver. When I left White Rock the tallest building was the newly built Hospital that just passed the water tower, both on North Bluff.
It was many years later that the block between North Bluff - 20th Ave, and 152nd - 148th Street which was woodland with an old sawmill, and the White Rock fire station was converted to a housing and the shopping centre. I should note that this is in Surrey not White Rock (the easy way to tell is if it is a numbered street or avenue then it is Surrey, White Rock names their roads, streets, and avenues.
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Comments like these are some of my favourites! I remember that water tower on North Bluff too, it only went down a few years ago. There’s intermittent talks of bringing back a restaurant along the pier and I really hope it happens someday. Thanks so much for sharing!
@@TheGreaterDiscussions There also used to be a large open water reservoir at the Northeast corner of Thrift and Oxford. They filled that in in the late '70s.
@@creid7537 crazy what stuff you can learn! Thanks for sharing
Growing up at North Bluff & Archibald there were many occasions, that when walking home on North Bluff, I would encounter wayward travelers kilometers off course after being dropped off by bus and were confused by the numbers on one side, and the names on the other side of the road.
I have visited White Rock last summer twice and once in spring, I was happy to see small coastal town, quit uniq and it's associated to mee with two colors Blue and Green, I'm also afraid that it eventualy turn in to another megapolise like Seatle ar Portland or Vancouver, with concrate soul ( where people doesn't know each other and their neibor... at least I was lucky to be able in my lifetime to make a video about the White Rock before it changed to new unknown city. ❤
You should visit Chemainus on Vancouver Island
Great video. I didn’t realize that White Rock separated from Surrey around the same time as the Langley separation. There is so much good commentary in this video.
I would caution conflating White Rock housing market with South Surrey. Although the real estate industry does this, it makes it confusing for people. These are two different city councils making two very different styles of housing. The Mayor of White Rock has nothing to do with Ocean Park, Semiahmoo, or Morgan Crossing. The benchmark White Rock single family home, benchmark townhome (the limited amount), and benchmark apartment are ALL lower priced than South Surrey.
South Surrey is mostly standard suburban sprawl. Despite being farther apart from the ocean and not having the beautiful White Rock views, it has a premium cost.
New luxury apartments may not help the entry level apartment market directly. But it has an indirect affect. There is a segment of the market that always wants the newest, best, bright, flashy product. So they end up ditching their old or ignoring the old for the new. The older, “less desired” units become more affordable. That’s exactly what has happened in cities like White Rock and New Westminster, which is why their apartments are more affordable than the cities that immediately surround them.
Great analysis dude! Absolutely well done!
As a Van Isle resident you think you could cover the rail restoration talks over here?
Highly highly likely. Something on the E&N corridor has been on my video list for a while now and I’ve certainly got a lot of thoughts on it. I hope you stick around cause I’ll definitely cover it in the future!
@@TheGreaterDiscussions you bet I will
incredible Canucks pfp btw!
@@TheGreaterDiscussions thanks I just changed it back lmao
One issue which most people are unaware of with density in B.C. is that strata living is not simple. It legally can be extremely complex and costly to owners. Legal issues with bylaws, human rights etc. stratas are very common for developers to choose to build as they’re the most cost effective for them. You can have as small as a duplex.
You are very deftly avoiding the foreign buyers who are the biggest demanders and purchasers of luxury housing and have caused our local residents to be priced out of the market. Money laundering and drug money and using the housing market for investment rather than for actual housing is bringing disaster.
HOLY CHITINSKI BRO!!!...thsts way 2 many high rises!!....i grew up in coquitlam...iam 6oyrs now...this is actually terrible..THANK U 4 THE INFO...U DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON NARRATING ❤❤❤
I just bought a condo unit in White Rock. It is RM 3 zoned, which is rare in white rock. I'm hoping a developer will buy it and I'll get a big payday. My family owned the property for the Altus but they didn't get a huge payday because they sold in 2016. I wish they were smarter about it when they sold
Great video , so informative, 👍❤️🇨🇦
boy, you are good! And going up is inevitable, land is scarce, what you see is what you get, how to accommodate more people? stack them up-highrises.
I remember hearing stories of my grandmother and great grandmother in White Rock back in the 30s. Where they were a mile up from the beach. During the depression, my great grandmother wukd. Give bagged meals to the peole riding the trains
Kudos for making this great video about White Rock… a little long, but well done… Keep it up
When you consider the booming population of the whole Lower Mainland, the pressure on the environment as development spreads outwards, and the soaring cost of housing, high-rises are inevitable! On the other hand you are right that the character of White Rock has always been its beach town vibe. As long as city planners keep the high-rises uphill and well away from the waterfront area I for one am not going to carp about it.
Current Sfu comp-sci student and on campus resident that used to live in Langley, White rock used to be the place me my friends drove to to hang out on the pier, I wish it was more accessible by Transit when I was younger. Super hyped about the skytrain to Langley though(would’ve been even more helpful when I was bussing to Douglas for two years from Langley Township😭😭), because a lot of my friends still live there now I don’t have a car, it takes so long to get there :((( that be sick to see a video on from you if you’re interested in that as well!
I’m looking forward to the transit expansion in the region, especially south of the Fraser! There’ll probably be a handful of different videos on that at some point
You a cool guy. This is a good ass video
One of the biggest issues with WR is that the City has historically been very weak in the infrastructure department. The cost of infrastructure upgrades drives up the cost of housing.
Just wait till it looks like the west end of Vancouver! And it eventually will.
Quality video. Hope to see more sometime soon and for that algorithm to pick you up.
Thank you! The algorithm has been pretty kind to this video, my goal is to see this pop up on the White Rock Community Facebook. I would love to hear as many voices from around the city as possible!
Great job.
You are growing up to be a fine young man Arden.
I'm a high school senior and plan on being a fine young man too
Thank you for the video. Not sure how to solve the missing middle crisis. But as we become house poor, we don’t buy as much nor do we eat out much. The result is the downtown core dies, restaurants close, stores that sell nick knacks reduce their stock and eventually go out of business, bars close. People can’t afford to work in retail jobs because all their wages go to rent and they must use food banks to live. We see this in Victoria BC. With the loss of the government workers due to remote work and rise in homelessness, pretty well every thing starts to close at 4 pm and after 6 the only things open are Value Village, Tim Hortons, grocery stores, and the bars. Note the police building lock their doors at 4:30 pm. My guess is well over %25 of the office buildings are empty in the downtown core. If it was not for the tourists everyone would be shopping in Saanichton and Langford. Victoria virtually is a ghost town filled with the homeless and tourists. The clock is ticking for Victoria, there are lots of new condos being built in the core. Those new tenants will put some pressure on city council. These people will not tolerate their shiny new buildings surrounded by tents and the homeless.
Kinda hard to avoid increase in housing cost when cost of land, labor (to build), materials, permits, taxes, interest rates, etc. continue to go up and while demand remains high. Subsidized housing by the government could help, but only a fraction of the population can ever get that and it means even more taxes. Since it's usually based on income, it can deincentivize people to not earn more than a certain amount, otherwise they may not qualify anymore. So not sure what the solution is.
Please make multi-part video essay series on bringing back the Zellers
Consider it added to the list
I'm old enough to remember it as Kmart when I was a toddler in the early 90s
I read about this when I was researching the history of the city, but never found any proof of it ever existing. It's incredible to finally hear from someone who remembers it! Any chance you might know where I could find a photo of it..? (Or the old Safeway while we're at it)
@@TheGreaterDiscussions I grew up in White Rock in the 80s and 90s with that K-mart. There was a cafeteria in the back where the mid-day shoppers get to relax with a sandwich and cigarette. Good times.
@@jordanw8382 K-mart cafeteria apple dumplings were awesome.
Yo I love the drone shots
Could you please do one on Burnaby Brentwood and Metrotown developments I would actually love that.
I’d love to get some drone shots around both those neighbourhoods. I’ve added that to my list!
At night, from the Blaine side the Highrise look like Mr.Crabs from Spongebob
There was a time when the Federal Government said a renter should never pay more than 30% of their income. That same government gives 'pensions' and I doubt anyone in White Rock rents for $600 or less. One alternative would be to introduce U.B.I. No homeless would be under the poverty line.
PS....... In 1986, where 16th & 152nd met, you walked an uneven gravel walkway into Semiahmoo Mall, in the heart of the city. Lots has changed.
I remember White Rock back in the 1960's. It was a bit of a dump compared to what it looks like now.
Do you have any specific things you recall? I love to learn more about this city’s history
Do you have any rental or pricing data on older high-rises vs newer high-rises?
White Rock seems to actually be in not a bad place.
I kinda think you just need a little time to let the older housing stock become the more affordable housing.
At first thought, I would say that White Rock's issue in this case would be that there are no older high-rises besides the Vista Royale. But if age was really the question here, then Downtown Vancouver could have some of the most affordable units in the region. Unfortunately, the age of the units rarely correlates with the respective prices. If the view is nice, you pay the price.
That's why I left in 2018
The only solution is to mesh Mass Immigration Policy with New Home Construction Rates. Since Expo 86, the Federal Government has ignored this basic common sense approach and has brought in more immigrants than we can build homes for hence why housing prices have skyrocketed to become the worlds 2nd highest cost per sq. ft. behind only Hong Kong. In 2023, Trudeau brought in 1.2M new immigrants while we only building 158K new homes...thus the next 7 years of home construction is simply to house last years immigrants. I hate to say this but Canada will crumble and home prices and homelessness is about to get 10X worse.
I grew up in White Rock and totally forgot what it used to look like even 15 years ago
I love seeing former White Rock residents here
I love you Arden
thank you @littleorangeboy9331 I appreciate that
nice editing ✅✅
🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!
Lived on Kent Street for 12 years. Moved. ‘Nuff said.
What a well done video about a place I have no connection to.
Thank you! I’m glad you got to see this little corner of Metro Vancouver
Vancouver
Vancouver will be a delightful place to live following the pole shift, with a far warmer climate, spared ice and snow in the winter, and close to the coastline as it is at present. Rising water following the polar melt will spare much of the mountains surrounding Vancouver, making the step out of the rising water fairly easy for survivors to deal with. For Vancouver, the issue is not being positioned after the shift, but surviving the shift itself.
The Canadian West Coast in general will suffer from rapid subduction that will melt the rock in low lying places, due to heat from friction, and many local Indian tribes have tales and myths of such times. Tidal waves will assault the area, and volcanoes up and down the coast, dormant and active alike, will explode. Those who would survive might consider moving inland for the shift itself, and then returning. Be advised that bridges and roads will not be passable, so the return trip should be anticipated to be essentially on foot.
Vancouver Island has added drama as the Juan de Fuca plate will separate under the pressure of subduction and act as a separate entity from both the North America and the Pacific plates. This is the reason for the island having been created in the first place, during prior shifts. Because activity is compression, with the Juan de Fuca plate and the North American plates riding over plates sliding under, legends relay hot earth and boiling rivers. This will be less of a problem during this shift than in the past, as protecting layers of rock have already been pushed under the island. Nevertheless, two activities the coast will not have to deal with will be presented on the island:
The Vancouver Island is likely to drift further toward Alaska, during compression, and find itself faced with a new coastline as a neighbor. This would be in the range of 100 miles or less. Thus, survival sites or supplies harbored on the coast may not be close at hand after the shift, to be retrieved by boat.
Buckling and heaving upward during compression of the Pacific, during the hour of the shift, is likely to result in jolts sending survivors upward, a lateral quake, so survival in covered trenches needs to include a secure roof close to those lying in the trenches so they will not be dashed up.
After the shift and the polar melt, the island will find itself with more area above the 675 foot area, having gained 100 or more feet of sea level during the compression.
Note San Andreas Slide commentary.
We need non-market housing. Even if developers are given the land for free, they will always price at the highest they can.
Non-market housing is absolutely an important piece in the puzzle! There are so many little things that have to work together to make a difference
Five Corners has a great tea room Clancy's Tea Cozy...Woe I was there a year ago, what growth, ruining the little city
oceana park is one of the building in whiterock i was driving building panels to all those panels are KPS panels
i no longer live in BC i had to relocate my mom outside of BC after someone broke into her townhouse in squamish and stole 150K in gold and silver
insurance police and everything else told us we are SOL for having gold and silver stolen so we had to move from BC to a small town in southwest SK
now i am stuck because i can't up root and leave my mom in the middle of no where so i take everything one day at a time and hopefully in the future i can help her recover after this ordeal....
If you’re trying to increase your tax base, by allowing more people to live in WR, you have a few choices.
Plan A- build more high-rises and leave the single-family neighbourhood alone.
Plan B- build more low rises, and reduce the number of single family homes.
I like Plan A better.
Agreed. Unfortunately, living in a single family dwelling on a large or even "standard" size lot, is considered outmoded and unsustainable by the twits that call the shots.
It's because we restrict housing construction so much that causes the prices to be so high. If every housing project is an expensive battle then why wouldn't you want to make the most money for it? Plus with the costs of hard materials and labour increasing by so much it is impossible to build "affordable" new housing without subsidies. Metro Vancouver has compounded this problem with new development charges that effectively place the burden of city maintenance/services on new development.
If you want "affordable" housing you have to build a ton of it as fast as possible. Removing density-limiting zoning restrictions, remove stupid CACs and you will see the housing prices go down. Every new "luxury" high rise houses people, and these people would have otherwise competed for lower priced apartment with lower income tenants.
Definitely a lot of good points there!
Do a poll with long time homeowners only... they are the ones who are the major tax contributors
all cities grow or they die -- the water front of white rock trying to maintain its "quaint" style is dumb and it should be modernized as most of those buildings no longer meet building codes in a lot of ways which makes them a hazard especially in emergency settings which are going to likely become more prevalent in the future.
While I don't live in white rock I frequented it often when I was younger and always found it odd that the beach front was never developed with a "beach front style" while modernizing the buildings and infrastructure and has largely remained the same since I was a kid -- this is bad for 2 reasons.
1: not modernizing the beach front with newer buildings and better infrastructure is a hazard as I mentioned before.
2: as time goes by the beach a common place for people to want to congregate becomes unreasonably busy -- which based on my last visit to the area is already above and beyond at this point during peak times, creating both some unsafe conditions and likely will lead to damaging the tourism the city largely relies on.
as for pricing people out -- lets be real here most water fronts are excessively expensive to begin with and always will be its not an excuse to potentially harm people in certain events and or stop the community from growing and improving.
On missing middle largely this isnt going to solve expensive housing in bc at all a majority of it is city, provincial and federal bloat on the costs associated with building anything in this country and unless that is fixed pricing wont really come down in popular cities like white rock -- additionally its highly unlikely that anyone in the gov is actually pushing for cheaper housing when the truth is anything that reduces the cost of housing is more or less going to be a death sentence to someone's political career because 60% of people in this country own their home and losing equity in their home is a good way to lose votes.
only way to make housing affordable is to improve the economy and increase the amount of higher paying jobs which means we need more industry because no one ever will make enough to afford a home working at food services job.
Maybe I missed something. I understand the importance of having the missing middle housing but the key to it working is that all the housing, from highrise to midrise to lowrise, is integrated. I think it's a crying shame what they've done by 24th ave and 168th. It's like there's no identity. One home is a clone of the other. I could never live in anything like that as I refuse to conform, to fit in, to be like everybody else. Even the different facades of the different blocks look too much alike. There's no driving or walking through the neighborhood with anything to captivate one's attention. The shops are all separated so there's no walking to the corner store to chat with neighbors. There's no integration of housing styles, small businesses, parkland, nor people. Everyone has their 24 foot identical wide yard with facade and that's it. The critical thing is, zoning has to change to allow for integration. Now there's a good bandwagon to join in on. Thanks Arden for all that about highrises. It's controversial and I'm not sure what side I'm on yet. In Vancouver there's great financial incentive for the highrises to be setback from the sidewalk and sit on a platform. I like that idea as the visual transition to the towers is a lot more comfortable, and it provides for more water views through the buildings. The concept for Semiahmoo Mall looks good so far I think. Just hope they keep all the highrises at the top of the hill.
Thanks for the reply! I definitely agree with what you’re saying about Grandview and Morgan. My friends and I often comment on how eerily similar it all feels. It’s kinda easy to get lost. But at the same time, it’s a city trying to catch up for 40 years of neglected housing being built. Grandview should honestly be one of the most walkable, bike-able neighbourhoods in South Surrey, but the presence of the large strip malls with vast parking lots don’t exactly inspire that lifestyle. Zoning is also to blame for the lack of neighbourhood corner stores and community places. But these aren’t set in stone. They can change and hopefully will in time.
Price is dictated by demand.
That's right, and a good way to work towards neutralizing it is with an increase in supply. With vacancy rates as low as they are, we're gonna need a lot more supply to get there.
The problem is they're ugly and break the asthetic. It would be an improvement if there were building standards. Instead it's all glass and no people.
the high-rises are all far from the beach, the waterfront still has a unique look and feel
Does Sean Spencer still work behind you at the psychic detective agency?
Pointing to Burnaby and Vancouver as being successful with high rises doesn’t make sense when they are sold abroad and to REITs for huge prices.
Foreign investment is definitely something to consider which I didn't have the time to cover in this video. Ultimately though, Vancouver and Burnaby are still taking important steps in making the other aspects of housing supply more affordable/reasonable (ie. reducing parking minimums and other fees). There is plenty more that they can still do, but these are still good steps to take.
dealers and only fans needed proper housing 😂 fr tho
Canada and the US has a desperate need for affordable apartments WITH government oversight on rent prices. The private sector has proven incapable
The private sector isn't responsible for providing cheap housing. It's there to satisfy the market demand. People are greedy and they want to make money in real estate. That's what's happened to British Columbia. A lot of people want to make money from their rental condos. It's all about greed here in British Columbia. I've never lived in an area where people are more apathetic about their neighbors than here in BC.
@@Joe-mz6dc of course not. They buy all the cheap housing and triple the rent. The private sector is why there is no cheap housing anymore