Old trick was to sample stuff at twice the speed then play it back down an octave lower to effectively double the sample time. Adds extra grit as well.
It’s the beginning of July 2024. This is the first I’m aware that Roland built and marketed either the S10 or the MKS-100 or that they’re from 1986. I let myself believe Roland’s first digital models (other than the PCM drum machines) were the D-50 synthesizer, the RD-1000 piano and their module counterparts. I didn’t even think they issued a sample/playback model before the 90s.
Something I noticed about the MKS is that the input seems to have some kind of built in compression/limiter. So if you run an entire beat into it even without sampling, you get a nice pumping effect.
I owned this groovy machine back in the nineties. I think there was a way to adjust the contrast? One way go go around the short sampling time is to pitch up and pace up, then transpose the playback down. It becomes very ripped apart and digital, just as I like it. Don’t try transferring data over Midi. It takes for ever. Also- the quick disks can take a lot of beating. You almost have to punch a hole in them before losing data. I tried corrupting information to get interesting sounds, but failed.
Take it a step further. I record the break into Ableton Simpler, then record it into the MKS 2 octaves higher and pitch it back down in the MKS. Very gritty stuff.
I pitched 7 octaves down. Managed to make a something that sounded like highheals walking in a corridor and the.noise sounded as she were walking on glass. Added a sample ”I am behind you” and half the dance floor turned their heads.
great video ! quick question, are you using your controller to trigger the roland ? or are you recording the samples into the roland and bouncing them back out into ableton for chopping and sequencing?
Those quik disks turn a lot of people off (they're ironically slow AND unreliable). The S-330/S-550 from 1988 are still 12 but samplers with great, crunchy sound, and with 3.5 inch 1.44 floppies that can be replaced with a cheap, generic floppy emulator.
If you speed up the drumloop going in sampling you can override 4 sec., Quick discs we're pretty reliable new but not when they are +30 years old, they were very expensive in 87 , around 60 pounds for 10 discs
@@chrisgalactic downside of this trick is that the sample quality gets very rough , depended of course of how well it transposed ,i heard the discs were costly because of patent rights , Roland did not own the rights for the mechanism and only some Korg (sqd1)and akai(x7000 s612) models used it , i used turbosynth on Atari to dump sounds from the s700/mks100/s220 at the time to store on 3.5 floppys as well
Noooo don't ever get the S10 plssss. It was my first sampler and it uses these quick discs that's expensive. I bought at 450.00 then the box of quick discs. Unfortunately the disc drive didn't work. Dude it sounds great but you get headaches with that quickdiscs. I was 18 and I worked my butt off at Little Caesar's to save up for a sampler in 94. Went to a pawn shop and bought s10. I wish we had the internet at that time. Sadly because I wasn't able to use the sampler, I went into depression. I felt set back or like force for me not to be in a techno pop band. I do like the S50
@@chrisgalactic that S10 broke my heart because I worked sooo hard in college . Because of that broken S10, I couldn't join a techno type duo band. Of course I couldn't get a refund at the pawnshop in 94
@@chrisgalactic s220 was the best , retained mks100 but with 4 part multimode and 4 seperate outs , i still own the s330 and s550 with scsi expansion and Roland cd(very rare now and holds complete Roland library for 550 on 2 cd-roms) , other samplers i love and own ppg waveterm b, ensoniq asr10, Yamaha Su 700 and a4000, An Amiga 500 is also cool ( same chip as ensoniq mirage)
@@cnfuzz some nice samplers you’ve got there .. so are you saying the s220 sounds identical to the mks10 but with the extra features .. and the s330 doesn’t sound as good as the mks10 or s220 ? Thanks
If you want "gritty" sound... find an small speaker, a blue tooth speaker. Send the sound you want to sample to it but with saturation/ distorted. Put the speaker in your closet and record that with a regular Mic. there you go.
Old trick was to sample stuff at twice the speed then play it back down an octave lower to effectively double the sample time. Adds extra grit as well.
That's a good tip! Perfect for the days of 10 second samplers
@@chrisgalactic I'm fairly used to the 11 seconds on my s900, by now
Did you ever try lowering the sample rate to like 15 I know it can lower it down to 15 khz. You might get double the time play 8 seconds in total.
Great stuff, man. Since noone has mentioned it yet: There also was the S-220...basically the same machine but with some additional features.
Nice! I'll keep my eye out for one
It’s the beginning of July 2024. This is the first I’m aware that Roland built and marketed either the S10 or the MKS-100 or that they’re from 1986. I let myself believe Roland’s first digital models (other than the PCM drum machines) were the D-50 synthesizer, the RD-1000 piano and their module counterparts. I didn’t even think they issued a sample/playback model before the 90s.
Thank you for the video, Chris. Blessings!
Appreciate ya David!
Long time no post hope you and your family are well.
what a banger!
That beat is crazy. ️🔥️🔥️🔥
Appreciate it man happy you like it
Hey Chris, I ain't seen a video from you for more than a hot minute. Hope you're good and looking forward to watching something new from you soon 🙏
Something I noticed about the MKS is that the input seems to have some kind of built in compression/limiter. So if you run an entire beat into it even without sampling, you get a nice pumping effect.
I owned this groovy machine back in the nineties. I think there was a way to adjust the contrast? One way go go around the short sampling time is to pitch up and pace up, then transpose the playback down. It becomes very ripped apart and digital, just as I like it. Don’t try transferring data over Midi. It takes for ever. Also- the quick disks can take a lot of beating. You almost have to punch a hole in them before losing data. I tried corrupting information to get interesting sounds, but failed.
Wassup fam, just checking in on you homie! You good?🙏🏾✊🏾💚
Did you ever get to change the screen and swipe out the disk drive for something else?
Yes I did. You have to solder it on, not a difficult job but does require unscrewing a couple things
Sounds Great Chris! 👍
Appreciate that Josh!!!
Try the old pitch up/down trick...sample vinyl at 45 rpm instead of 33 1/3 to get more...I assume the sampler has a pitch control?
Completely forgot about that technique, I will have to give it a try.
Take it a step further. I record the break into Ableton Simpler, then record it into the MKS 2 octaves higher and pitch it back down in the MKS. Very gritty stuff.
I pitched 7 octaves down. Managed to make a something that sounded like highheals walking in a corridor and the.noise sounded as she were walking on glass. Added a sample ”I am behind you” and half the dance floor turned their heads.
Very interesting. Never heard of these.
Outside of the sampling time it's a dope sampler
great video ! quick question, are you using your controller to trigger the roland ? or are you recording the samples into the roland and bouncing them back out into ableton for chopping and sequencing?
Yes, Terranigma hip hop! This is dope. :-D
.... what a title man of course I heard from this thing :-S
Used to have one. Back in 1988
nice beat
Those quik disks turn a lot of people off (they're ironically slow AND unreliable). The S-330/S-550 from 1988 are still 12 but samplers with great, crunchy sound, and with 3.5 inch 1.44 floppies that can be replaced with a cheap, generic floppy emulator.
I have an S220 with a disk emulator, it's the same thing with more Polyphony(16 voices).
Get ya a roland s330 rack.
If you speed up the drumloop going in sampling you can override 4 sec., Quick discs we're pretty reliable new but not when they are +30 years old, they were very expensive in 87 , around 60 pounds for 10 discs
I use to do this all the time when I had my XL that had only 10 seconds of sampling time. I've heard that they're very expensive. I wonder why
@@chrisgalactic downside of this trick is that the sample quality gets very rough , depended of course of how well it transposed ,i heard the discs were costly because of patent rights , Roland did not own the rights for the mechanism and only some Korg (sqd1)and akai(x7000 s612) models used it , i used turbosynth on Atari to dump sounds from the s700/mks100/s220 at the time to store on 3.5 floppys as well
The quick disks were very robust. Never lost data, not even when rubbing them with a key.
did you end up keeping this as i know you sold your eps keyboard
Yo... ❤️
where are you?
Noooo don't ever get the S10 plssss. It was my first sampler and it uses these quick discs that's expensive. I bought at 450.00 then the box of quick discs. Unfortunately the disc drive didn't work. Dude it sounds great but you get headaches with that quickdiscs. I was 18 and I worked my butt off at Little Caesar's to save up for a sampler in 94. Went to a pawn shop and bought s10. I wish we had the internet at that time. Sadly because I wasn't able to use the sampler, I went into depression. I felt set back or like force for me not to be in a techno pop band. I do like the S50
Damn lol maybe I shouldn't pick one up
@@chrisgalactic that S10 broke my heart because I worked sooo hard in college . Because of that broken S10, I couldn't join a techno type duo band. Of course I couldn't get a refund at the pawnshop in 94
@@chrisgalactic I think you'd want the S50 or W30.
No more videos man? Hope you are well.
Appreciate it bro! I'll make a comeback one of these days. Hopefully soon!
There is no good and bad in music gear, its all about how you use it and how it feels after all.
What program are you using on your computer? I recently just pulled out my old Roland S-10 after 20 years and want a good program to record on?
Ableton Live.
👍👍👍
Hey man! here are you?? Lets do this!!!
Had one it’s the most hated sampler I ever owned. I was happier with the Generic 12 bit sampler I bought for a couple of 100
Haha it's a little tedious going through menus but I paid $100 for it lol
Yes, until I tried the Yamaha tx16w.... Required a PhD
QUICK DISKS. God I hated em 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha brings back memories of what
👌🏾😤😤😤🫡🫡🫡
S330 is better for lofi
I gotta check it out!
@@chrisgalactic s220 was the best , retained mks100 but with 4 part multimode and 4 seperate outs , i still own the s330 and s550 with scsi expansion and Roland cd(very rare now and holds complete Roland library for 550 on 2 cd-roms) , other samplers i love and own ppg waveterm b, ensoniq asr10, Yamaha Su 700 and a4000, An Amiga 500 is also cool ( same chip as ensoniq mirage)
@@cnfuzz some nice samplers you’ve got there .. so are you saying the s220 sounds identical to the mks10 but with the extra features .. and the s330 doesn’t sound as good as the mks10 or s220 ? Thanks
@@cnfuzzisnt it annoying having to hook up the s-550 to a monitor all the time?
If you want "gritty" sound... find an small speaker, a blue tooth speaker. Send the sound you want to sample to it but with saturation/ distorted. Put the speaker in your closet and record that with a regular Mic. there you go.
Do not even bother!