This Magnetic Variable ND Filter SUCKS
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2022
- Before you get the wrong idea, I LOVE K&F Concept filters, in fact, I am going to recommend their normal Variable ND Filters and their VND caps. They are FANTASTIC, but these magnetic ones.... just not worth the time or money.
NOW - Since I made this video, I have been able to find a new Magnetic VND system that I ABSOLUTELY LOVE and take with me on all my shoots - Check out the video review here - • BEST Variable ND Filte...
Proving that I'm not all doom + gloom, lol.
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Thanks for the review, videos like this save a lot of people's money 💪
I appreciate you saying so. I'd rather be more honest in reviews so people can get a real expectation - or at least what I thought of it. Thank you for taking the time to comment!
I'm looking for filters for my new camera and I watched more than 20 reviews for these magnetic filters - they were literally BRAGGING this system is so good, fast and whatever.
I'm simply shocked by the amount of people on youtube willing to lie to their audience for a 100 dolar product.
Thank you for your honest review, we need more of these.
Thank you for the watch and the comment, and playing advocate to your comment, I know in a non-run'and'gun scenario these K&F might be great, it just wasn't right for the project I was working on and I needed them for. On a good note, I found a magnetic VND that I REALLY LOVE and have been using for the better part of a year now with no issues - Here is my review of that - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html - It's a bit pricier, but so far I have seen mostly positives. Hope this helps!!!
Glad I came across this. I was inches close to buying this. The magnetic idea sold me. But I've also heard the magnets are too weak and could drop off the lens just like you showed. That is a problem
I LOVED the idea of a magnetic filter - I was all in without ever reading a review .... and you saw what happened. Hope it helped, thank you so much for the watch and the comment
Great explanation. Ive worked with K&F plenty of times and I was being sent a nd filter for review but I have the option to choose. I will choose the non magnetic one and maybe later down the road give the magnetic a try for a review.. Blessings
Thank you so much for the comment and the content you're making!! I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on the magnetic ones once you do get around to it - I LOVE K&F so much - just the magnetic ones aren't magnetic enough to work in a run and gun situation sadly.
I appreciate your video. I was literally about to purchase and you just saved me temper tantrum.
Lol. Thank you. I hope I didn't come off unprofessional with this. I'm glad it helped and I really look forward to K+F doing a proper magnetic run n gun vnd version in the future.
Got mine (10 stop, circ pol and UV kit) 6 months ago, to use on a holiday. Only fell off about 6 times. They did survive and I was lucky not to lose them. They work but only just.
Thank you so much for telling me about this. Its nice to know it was able to be used positively... Sorry it fell off so many times.
I always put the magnetic filter either inside the lens hood, or in front of a Revoring step-up ring, or inside the mattebox. That way I don't need to worry about bumping the filter from behind.
My only concern with this is how do you quickly remove it and throw on another one while you're walking or running? For example the shoot I was on this summer, I never sat down or put my camera down for 8 hours a day. It was super strenuous and basically everything I needed I had to carry on me and attach as I was walking. Is there a way to remove everything switch it around and keep moving without putting the camera down?
@@NightOwlsMedia It worked for me filming a wedding that requires switching for indoor to outdoor. Mine is never as loose as yours, even when rigorously shaken facing down.
External magnetic ND is never 100% secure. Even the screw-on ones are under the risk of loosening over time. I guess the best run-and-gun solution for you is to get a camera with internal ND.
Seems that you expected the Non-magnetic filter to screw onto the magnetic ring when the whole point of the ring is to make the setup magnetic. I feel the use case is to switch between other magnetic filters or quickly remove the filter not switch between a magnetic and screw on filter.
Like the honest review and perspective plus comparison of the screw on VNDs.
I think therein lies the difference with the expediency with fast fast fast environment of videographers versus still photographers perhaps makes the K&F Magnetic perhaps not for them. I love My K&F set up and the various CPL and ND filters I have and the magnetic strength of their system very satisfying and strong, but then again I am not grabbing and running with my equipment. I understand the point being made here.
Thank you so much for the watch and the comment. I LOVE K&F as I mentioned, they are my go to for screw on ND without question, I just had the unfortunate experience to do a long 3 month shoot that provided zero time to stop or change anything out. I did eventually find a great mag VND setup (another video on the channel). And I am super happy to hear that in a non run and gun shoot that the K&F mag works well, thank you for letting me know
Thanks for the video. There are also Freewell magnetic vnd filters. I haven't tried them.
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment! I found a good mag VND recently and did this video on it - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
I hope it.helps
Honestly this video was freaking hilarious! 🤣🤣 Everytime the filter fell on accident I couldn't stop laughing. Super informative video thank you. The Polar Pro maglock system fixes this issue but it costs like 1000 Australian dollars for the full 1-9 stop kit which is RIDICULOUS so I'm sticking to threaded filters for now...
I appreciate the comment and the uplifting feeling and even more so, the recommendation!!! Thank you for that. In good.news, and cheaper than that 1k price tag, I found a magnetic VND that works pretty great - I did a video not long after this about it.
I have this KF magnetic and it works for me however I don’t run and fun like that. However, even with that said I do carry the camera on my side and let it swing and have yet to lose a filter and lens cover. I wonder if they upgraded the magnets since this video
Thank you so much for the comment. Honestly I'm super happy that they're working for you. I really love K&F products I think that's why it was such a bummer that this one didn't work for me. But it makes me super happy to know that these work good in less runn n gun situations. A couple months after this video I made the review video for Kase Wolverine magnetic VND with better results.
czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.htmlfeature=shared
Thank you. You are absolutely right. You saved me time and trouble with the information.
Thank you for the watch and comment. If you're interested in a magnetic variable and defilter, I did find one that I really like and did a video on it.
Thanks. Good video. I'm just looking for a good VND, preferably magnetic. At least I now know, not to consider that option from K&F. Have you tried Kase magnetic VND? I'm using Revolution Magnetic ND filters from them for still photos and they are amazing & magnet is really strong (but expensive). But I don't have comparison to VND and I wonder if that will be on par with the other set from them.
At the time of recording this I had not heard of Kase, but very soon after I did another video reviewing the Kase Wolverine - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.htmlfeature=shared
Which turned out to be pretty great. Pricey but the old saying is true, you get what you pay for. However, just a note, the Kase mag VND I've had fall off my camera about 4 times over the past year on shoots, just a heads up
@@NightOwlsMedia Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll check the other review!
Just seen a video about magnetic filters from a company called "Maven". The guy reviewing them had rhe same issue you do with his old magnetic filter set. With the maven ones he literally dragged his camera across the desk by the filter. Hope this helps
Hey James! Thank you for the comment and the note!!! That's amazing of you to suggest the Maven. I will go check it out later tonight - in the mean time I was able to find a Magnetic VND that I really love - check out the way more positive and upbeat review here - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
Hope this helps!!!
hey brother. are you getting any vignetting with this k&f filter? i recently got one with with my Sony rx100 vii and a kamerar magfilter adapter and getting horrible vignetting on the corners while shooting at 24mm.
Hey Jonathan - sorry but I never even took the magnetic VND out into the field. I felt that they were way too weak to even leave the house - I was more afraid of them falling and breaking. However with my regular K+F VND, I am not getting vingetting, however, I do get it from the Tiffen.
@@NightOwlsMedia no prob! with your regular k+f VND, how wide are you shooting? i read that these filters should be able to have no vignetting at 24mm, but unfortunately that's not the case for me lol
@@jsouler The widest lens that I use with my regular k&f is 20 mm. And granted I haven't noticed the vignetting, but now I will eagle eye it a little better as I am rolling through the footage that I shot this summer with The VND. But, a really big thing to remember is that every brand has multiple versions of their VND. I know the KNF has quite a few, the one that I like will be linked in the description below, and it's a little more expensive than their normal versions, but it also doesn't produce the shadow X's on the image and that was really important to me
The giant pillow is a savior 😂
Now I just have to hire a PA to follow me around with a giant pillow on my shoots and I can use this, lol
What are you using now since the magnetic one's didn't work?
I have an updated video with another magnetic filter that I actually really like. It does tend to fall off if I'm moving a lot, but check out the new video here - m.czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
Amazing video! Thank you! For me - All Vari-ND sucks because being two polarizer
I totally feel you about the stress of too much polarization. I found a magnetic VND that is actually pretty damn good. Let me know your thoughts on it - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
I almost bought this, thanks so much 🎉
Happy to help, but I'm even more happy to say I found one that is awesome. Check out my new video, I freaking love the new magnetic VND
I had the same exact experience about a year ago too. Returned it too. Still love my other 2 K&F Concept VNDs. Still scouring for an instant ND ON/OFF solution that makes sense for going in and out of dark-to-bright scenes quickly. Apparently a few years ago there was a Kickstarter flip filter holder idea that looks sweet, but the company went out of business. Now there's only a few knock-offs of it around still on Amazon or ebay (I ordered a couple to try), but the original Kickstarter, and Ulanzi's version of it closed with magnets, and I don't think these knock-off ones do. LET US KNOW IF YOU FIND SOMETHING! How could the massive camera accessory market not actually have a legit option for this extremely common scenario?!
Hey! First off thank you for the great comment. I'm just like you said, love the normal K&F VND, but the mags..... Well, you saw. Good news - I found a Mag VND that I love! Even took the little beast to Austria to shoot a wedding and it was amazing to work with. Check it out here, czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.htmlfeature=shared
I hope you like it as much as I did!
I have the Magnetic non Variable version and it sticks on very good with no problems
That's awesome! I'm happy to know that the non VND version is working good for you! I was looking at that one as a back up until I found the Kase (from the other video I did). Thank you for letting me and everyone know that it works well in quick change situations! That's good to know!
vari nds tend to be heavier, i think thats where the problem lies
You just saved me some money. Thanks!
Thank you for the watch and comment. Happy to help. I love the regular KS filters but the mags weren't great - now, not sure if you saw the update video, but I found a magnetic VND that is effing awesome - www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJofIFJhmNhg%26t%3D0&ved=2ahUKEwjp1Ivms8mCAxVYj4kEHQhvBNUQrsIGKAF6BAgSEAI&usg=AOvVaw0MgThkopLVPfI0gWOyT-Kt
Agree K&F magnets are too weak. Just bought a Maven filter set - much better magnets and fast swapping/stacking. They don't do VNDs since they feel, as I do, that you get a colour cast and with a wider lens can also have an uneven colour shift (angle of sun dependent) with VNDs. That said, I agree there is real RnG flexibility so occasionally a trade off can be OK, so I still plan on using my PolarPro VND (4 stop range 2-5 and 6-9) but will transition into fast swap fixed NDs. Currently Maven only have 3, 6 and 10 stop ND. So using currently can require a small aperture adjustment to retain good exposure if following 180 degree rule. But a 2 and 4 stop are coming soon to Maven, so one will get anything from 2-10 stops with either 1 or 2 filters stacked. Change is very fast and no 'X' patterns, no discernible colour shift (or worse variable colour shift).
When time is on my side and I'm after best quality, I can rig a matte box and use one or two cinema style fixed NDs. I have both the SmallRig Pro (good quasi hood with side and top flaps) and a Tilta Mirage (will use a VND 1-9 stops) but extremes aren't ideal in VND mode for ultra wides - hence my election for fix 4x5.65 filters (main downside is slowish and expensive).
Seems that you expected the Non-magnetic filter to screw onto the magnetic ring when the whole point of the ring is to make the setup magnetic. I feel the use case is to switch between other magnetic filters or quickly remove the filter not switch between a magnetic and screw on filter.
Like the honest review and perspective plus comparison of the screw on VNDs.
Actually no, because I wanted to be able to switch to other magnetic VNDs in the process, but I wanted something incredibly sturdy that I could run with the camera. If you check out my newer videos I was able to find an amazing magnetic VND that I whipped the camera around and the magnetic ring never fell off. Thank you so much for the comment, I really appreciate your feedback
@@NightOwlsMedia Nice, will definitely check out the newer videos. Thanks for the follow up!
@@danielandersoniii6697 Absolutely - here's the link Daniel - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
Also, I'm not the biggest fan of making negative review videos like so I might have come off as rude, never my intent!
Was thinking about getting one. Not now
Thank you for the watching for the comment, retro. I never want to dissuade someone from trying something out themselves, but if you're a run n gun shooter like I am, I would definitely look in a different direction. And like I said in the description, k&f concepts normal variable and defilters are flipping amazing and they are my go-to filters. It's just the magnetic ones have a long way to go
Execelente vlog
Thank you so much
Great Video
Thank you for the kind comment and the watch - in case you haven't seen it yet, I did end up finding a Mag VND that I loved - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
If I kept pushing it with my thumb, sure it's going to fall off!
Maybe don't do that then.
But I feel you. I did touch it once and it fell off, but it fell off when ever I moved. I'm glad I finally found the good magnetic VND though. The new one works like a champ!
@@NightOwlsMedia I have these filters and have never had one fall off, even while hiking in the woods and mountains.
@@themoodyphotographer59 dude that's amazing!! No joking - I'm really happy that these worked so well for you! Not all gear is right for all shooters, I'm honestly happy that you found gear that works right for you.
Wow, that is really disappointing... You weren't even running and gunning in some of those examples, handling the camera like any photographer and the thing just popped off.
Is it at all possible that you maybe had the rotten luck of landing up with a dud batch? it has been such a well reviewed system and I would imagine people would be in uproar over such weak magnets.
I want to maybe try before I buy and see if maybe that was the case. Did you give it another try since this video was made?
So long story short, I did not try another version of it, or another copy of it as when I recorded this I was in the middle of a 3-month production and I didn't really have time to mess around too much so sadly I couldn't get a magnetic VND for that project.
On a good note, after that project cooled down, I had time to look around a little bit and I found another magnetic VND that ended up working really really well. I did another video about it on my channel and I'm super happy with it.
Yeah, it did bum me out that this piece would just fall off pretty easily, and if I was an actual gear review site, I would have stressed tested it under different circumstances but literally, I got the piece, I tested it for about 15 minutes in different situations as I had a shoot the next morning hoping to use it, and decided it was problematic so I made this video very fast. The new video with the new magnetic VND is a little more in depth. Hope it helps
Just a thought here, in my opinion it’s not the lens filter that sucks, it’s just the fact that it doesn’t fit your use case.
Exactly, and I did make sure to say that. Because I am a run and gun shooter, it sucks for me, I did mention that the K&F concepts are my go-to normal screw on filters, it's just that in my situation these suck
Also, at 05:27 he was rubbing the filter off with his finger. Just go to 05:27, you can see him do it, then pretend it fell off by itself. I think it's good to call out products that don't work well. But lying about something (even pretending and getting caught doing it once) makes your whole point (and arguably person) untrustworthy. Because you're willing to lie and pretend to make a point you want to make even if it's not true or not that bad.
@@headsethero5449 I completely understand where you're coming from with this. And I can see what you mean - however I kept my finger there to feel when it fell off. My wife made the same comment. I wanted to make sure I felt when it fell off to know when it did. However, I totally see your frustration.
I think the kase is better but more expensive
Oh! I haven't heard of these! I will look into them. I don't mind paying a little more if they work well.
So this is what I found - www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1734383-REG/kase_1111061002_moviemate_magnetic_mattebox_v_nd.html/qa
Or these bad boys - scroll to bottom - www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=kase%20magnetic&sts=ma
They haven't been released yet as of today, looks like March 2023
Sorry I didn't reply til just now - I ended up buying a Kase on your suggestion and it's been pretty damn good. I did a video about it here - czcams.com/video/JofIFJhmNhg/video.html
After-thoughts - Using in the field is great if nothing rubs up against the filter. I have a spider belt that I hang my handheld camera from and it will immediately fall off if it touches the belt pad / pants / etc. But if it's in my hands and I am whipping around, that Kase Wolverine is a beast.
4:01 in, couldn’t you set up at a location in your house that isn’t affected by sunlight? 🤦🏼♂️
For sure, I hated that too. Like I mentioned in the video I was packing for a shoot and only had about 15 minutes to shoot this so I figured the information was more important. Hope it helped
@@NightOwlsMedia I'm not sure it helped me. I'm not a run and gun content creator. But I can certainly see where the weak magnet on that filter would not work for you, on the other hand, it'd work fine for me. Peace * Love * Music * Photography