We Downgraded our PCs to Prove You Don’t Need a New One
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We know you probably WANT a new computer, but do you really NEED one? Odds are good that, for most people, a brand new rig is simply not necessary. To prove it, we swapped our writers' sick gaming rigs full of modern hardware like the latest CPUs and raytracing graphics cards, for something a tad more...quaint. Specifically, 6th gen machines from Dell and HP. Will they be able to protect their jobs and meet their deadlines, or will the lag of old hardware stop them in their tracks?
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0:00 Intro
1:13 Requirements and Concerns
3:08 Welcome our new machines
3:40 What went well?
4:32 Power and GPUs
5:15 Networking
6:06 Compatibility Issues
8:46 Overall Experience
9:27 Conclusions - Věda a technologie
Exactly. I don't need an RTX 4090, I just want one.
Yeah. Like I only have a 1080p monitor and at 1080p my 3070 is fine... Doesn't mean I wouldnt want to upgrade to something better.
Rtx 4070 ti is a better bet.
4080 and 4090 are full of problems and cost way too much for the minor improvements.
Yes cooonnnsssumeee
@@Pwnopolis you realize this is a joke right?
my 4080 is not on a single problem ? what the heck u talking about . my 4080 is awesome never got an issue or problem, just get a decent pc with a 4080 or 4090 !!! 3070 or even a 4070ti is trash . just spend 120 $ more and get alot more performance!!@@Pwnopolis....
and compared to the 4070ti i got 100 fps more with the 4080 ... if thats "minor improvements" u shoud play with rocks instead
The most frustrating thing about these prebuilts is the proprietary non-standard components, like the non-ATX power supply or weird motherboard shape.
Same here. I had to buy an adapter so I could use a better GPU.
Which sucks for us DIY'ers. My home server is an old Dell Vostro. You can't just repurpose these "newer" machines like you used to be able too.
Dell's were notorious for those non-atx psu's some years ago. Exactly when they changed to normal ones on each of their lines, would take a bit of googling.
The amount of useful compute power on eBay, stuck in a terrible and un-changeable chassis, is wild
I am glad I have a custom built system from 2012 meaning everything is standard which is nice for replacements if anything breaks which it has on occasion such as the fans on the 970 Windforce breaking away and thus I had to take the old ones out to get new ones in. I have also swapped the case at least once when upgrading the GPU becuase the new one wouldn't fit the old case
Few years back, I got a colleague from supply chain complaining about her PC being too slow, she "needed a new one". I tried it, it was indeed very slow, I added a bit of RAM that I had laying around: better, but still slow. I removed one of her theming software: it was already back to usable. Next I changed the HDD for a SSD and re-install a fresh Windows. She genuinely thought she got a new PC...
A proper software management is as important as having the latest hardware.
I can confirm that fresh windows reinstall can feel like a brand-new PC if coupled with upgrade to SSD.
Especially if you finally get rid of your 10yo Win7 install.
I think SSD did most of the work, the rest are nuances.
@@zbigniew2628 It's true the SSD probably did most of the work, but software management is absolutely NOT a nuance. I just recently "cleaned" a relative's PC. No reinstall, just uninstalling and disabling things that weren't needed or used. Before my tweaks, it had a 15 minute boot time. You could hit the desktop in 2 minutes, but the disk activity would stay locked to 100% usage LONG after. Once I had my way with it, the boot time was under 5 minutes, with 0 hardware changes. Even OP mentions the system became significantly more responsive after simply removing a single program.
Software bloat makes a huge difference.
Sure, but sometimes you do actually need new hardware. My old job absolutely refused to do upgrades, they repeatedly gaslit us that our constant issues with RAM/slow hard drives was because we weren't rebooting often enough. I mean, yeah, rebooting does close Chrome so yeah, you'll have more ram available then.... but you also can't do your job!
This all was despite me being far more qualified than the IT person (who was the son of the founder)
@@Madwonk Software bloat over time inside programs itself is also a thing and no one denies it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything related to browsing web with Chrome, since not only are webpages themselves very bloated (mostly due to overreliance on libraries, frameworks and abstraction) but Google is also to blame (why is it it's Messages app on Android is 10x as big as FOSS alternative that has 99% functionality - GoLang was created by Google for dumb programmers that couldn't understand C and that shall tell you enough about modern programming standards).
If you do your job on a software that doesn't have to be updated constantly and doesn't rely on web browsing, you will be fine semi-forever.
For example, editing just 1080p will always be editing just 1080p - there's really nothing to hamper efficiency as time goes on except for natural wearing out of hardware.
I used to work alongside video editors, and I'm surprised to hear that everyone at LTT including the writers are working with the full resolution 4K footage. We used to have almost everyone working with lower resolution proxy footage, it was easier on the machines and the network, and at the end of the process there was some software special sauce which applied the same edit decisions to the full resolution footage too. I can only assume that the issues described here with scrubbing through footage would have been helped by using lower res proxy video!
Yeah I've wondered about that before. Most production companies I've seen use macs to edit video, and not even new macs, unless they shoot in low resolution they just use proxy footage and the not super fast computers handle it just fine. No need for crazy powerful PCs or fiber connections, LTT's setup seems so overkill
So basically the edit decisions are generating a batch job to later apply with hardware with more grunt. I'm not a videographer, so that strikes me as extreme cleverness.
@@christopheroliver148
It's not very clever, it's like 3 clicks in any competent video software lol. I have no idea why LTT insists on editing native footage.
@@user9267 They edit on 4k raw because they're nerds who enjoy the excess and can afford to do it. They are 100% aware of the ability to edit on a lower resolution, it's an active choice not to.
Same reason they film on 4k and 8k cinema cameras that cost as much as a car, to upload to CZcams. Or own their own video streaming service with a higher bitrate than anyone else. They can do it, so they will. It also gives them a practical upper bound for stress tests of high end hardware and networking, which is "fun" when they do networking adventures.
@@christopheroliver148 I would say the initial concept was absolutely a clever idea, yeah! From other comments it sounds like this idea is widely implemented in various software now. But yeah my understanding is that working on the proxy footage generates an "edit decisions list" and when the full quality version needs to be rendered, that edit decisions list tells a rendering system somewhere exactly what it needs to do
A new video next month - "I didn't need this upgrade"
Bruh. He JUST uploaded a new Sony TV unboxing on Short Circuit with this exact title yesterday
Somy @@BakersTuts
he already made that in shortcircuit
New video idea:
Hey guys i accidentally spent one million to play doom 💀💀💀
That was literally just uploaded
At my old workplace, where I ended up building a load of the PCs, we generally just did round-robin upgrades. Those who needed more powerful systems got the newest stuff; their old system would then be given to those who needed a slightly lower power system, then THEIR machines went to the next tier... etc etc. Everyone got an upgrade, everyone was happy, and we minimised costs and downtime - the downward steps could be offset by some time so support/issues didn't gum up the works. Anything left at the end of the line, we generally destroyed the HDD and gave the rest to local groups who then recycled them/provided them to those who might need a PC but didn't have the resources - generally poorer families with kids in primary school, or pensioners who were being supported by local groups to get online. Old machines don't need to die, they just need to move down the line to where they fit best.
Until mum bought a new PC from a store a couple of years ago, they would just get my old tower whenever I built a new one. Admittedly, I hadn't built one in nearly a decade at that point, but we just cycled the hardware down through the family for years. I was the tech nerd always buying the new fancy thing, so I'd pass down whatever I was replacing to parent or sibling, whoever needed it more. Definitely a valid system.
Except when it’s a Mac and Apple has decided to ditch support for an otherwise perfectly functional daily computer. Seriously they should be fined for willful creation of e-waste.
@markmuir7338 funnily enough though, current macos has older devices fully supported than Windows 11 in some cases. (It is the same for Intel CPUs, and better than and cpus)
For reference, apple supports macs with software updates in most cases for 7 years.
@@varno you can run windows 10 on things from 2010 and it can run any modern software fine so even if it is not supported it's fine unlike apple 7 years = anything prior to 2016 can't run latest software versions.
@@firasrabaiaI mean, true, but you can run most macos software on os10.15 catalina, which supports all machines back to 2012, it just doesn't get security releases. Monterey is still gets security releases, and that runs on 2015 mac laptops, and even some 2013 mac desktops. You can't compare Windows 7 to Windows 11 and not give the same favours to macos. It is not quite as good historically, but 7 years of full upgrade support and 10 years of security updates is still pretty good.
The main reason businesses are getting rid of these PCs is because they usually don't have a TPM and thus can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
Odds are all they need to upgrade is the motherboards, not the whole pc. Every company should have their own Linus in my humble opinion .
The main reason is that new computers are tax deductible.
even with a TPM v2, modern win 11 doesn't like anything less than 8th gen intel and 2nd gen Ryzen. While there may be workarounds, who knows for how long those will work. For what ever reason, MS is really trying to do away with older machines.
But 8th or 9th gens are still quite good. But dell has a tendency to way under spec their PCI lane counts and RAM amounts... also their PSUs. I run an old 8th gen i5 for my media computer but my x16 slot still only has 4 lanes going to it. And I wanted a display at 4k which meant I needed a discrete gpu so that kinda stinks as that makes 4k videos chug sometimes but its not too frequently.
With MDT you get around most of the restrictions. Most of computers at the school district I work at have 6th or 7th gen processors and nearly all of them are on 11 and they run fine. When working with a limited budget you got to keep them working.
Businesses are getting rid because of their renewal cycle, which depends from company, but is about 3 years. So there are really good options there.
We use a teired hardware model at work. For our general purpose shop floor machines we use machines that are 4 to 7 years old. Office users get 1 to 4 year old PCs and our power users get the latest and greatest.
Helps us to not constantly be spending money on the newest stuff and it means gear that is already paid for and is still usable can keep working for us.
My work got rid of all their Optiplex 7010s... Took almost 10 minutes for them to boot up previously. I got ahold of one, increased the ram to 16GB, cleaned up the machine, new thermal paste, switched to an SSD, and added a wireless card and an RX6400.... Runs like a beast now... All in less than $200.
Shame that the rx6400 has cut pcie lanes seems to be the best case for it.
I have 7010 for htpc with rx 6400 next to the tv and 7050 for proxmox server with a2000 gpu. Best of all you can use the original proprietary psu.
The (9|7)010 MTs make very nice Linux boxes. About the only case where mine fall short is with some music synths which are cycle pigs.
you running win10 or 11?
@@StevoHDAWindows XP
I'm a sysadmin at a small company and we just replaced our Lenovos E73 with i5 4th gen with Dells 7010 with i5 13500. Most of the users didn't notice any big difference and if the PSUs weren't starting to fail we could have easily kept the another two years without major issues. As a company, we use prebuilt PCs because of the readiness of driver packs for deployment, 5 years warranty and on-site hardware support, the ability to deploy driver updates with a dedicated tool and to avoid building 100 PCs from scratch. We're just two IT guys for 150 employees.
that's kind of surprising that you're still using computers, as opposed to laptops, which seems to be what companies tend to give out nowadays
@@Gregorius_laptops are computers
@@Gregorius_either laptops or those tiny workstations from like hp or lenovo
@@Gregorius_ for large companies it is still much easier to go with desktops because it's more serviceable on site. Just like this video is trying to convey, not everyone needs a laptop.
@@Gregorius_Just because "most companies" do the wrong thing, doesn't mean one should. Laptops suck. And I will die on this hill, tyvm.
While i have a high end PC at home, i used a 10 year old i7 laptop at worked for 2 years and it was completely fine. Granted most of the work was Excel spreadsheets and SAP.
@@Charleigh_Copley Omg yes, my monitor was 1600x900, i didnt see those since like 2008 HAHA
"Would require a monitor upgrade" ... No it requires a $8 adapter.
I buy and refurb these exact type of computers to allow new not-for-profits to not have to worry about the usually high price of computers. They have their place.
Oh, that's a thing? How is business?
What you gonna do when windows 10 is unsupported on older hw? Rufus win11?
@@Regnskov Upgrade them to Linux 😜
Your work sounds awesome tbh, thank you.
@@Regnskov as long as you have 8th generation it is supported.
I work IT for hospitals, we tend to rotate systems roughly every 5 years. For the most part, as long as the system has an SSD (even a cheaper one), the older 4-5 year systems still work just fine for 90% of tasks; most of them with 8gb of RAM. For "power users" like accountants who have multiple excel sheets open, these same systems with 16gb of RAM work well too. Most of our "heavy" applications like EMR apps are cloud based and we see more hardware usage from Microsoft Edge.
As a person who has had to be in hospitals more than i would like to admit i wish there wasn't anything hooked to the cloud in the network. I can see why "heavy applications" can basically require you to have a server cabinet per building that provides the medical service just to hold in digital form the medical data of everyone who goes to the hospital. Sharing between building would be harder too.
For the system that the majority of them use yeah sounds about right for what the 3 hospital systems i have gone to use. Well that and a specialized one for nurses whose job is to go around and give the correct medicine to the correct human.
These employees at LTT are spoiled, pure and simple. Their issues are between the keyboard and the chair.
8GB of RAM in a commercial setting is horrible. If you're running commercial AV with lots of logging it can easily take up 4GB of ram which means after windows takes 2GB you have 2GB of RAM for whatever you're doing (probably using something running on chromium) which just isn't enough. Anything with less than 16GB now is useless for these business settings unless you have some niche task that can cope with only 2GB of RAM available.
The only way to get away with 8GB is to make users suffer with the page file being hit constantly or to not have proper security and monitoring settings.
@@jaysoncowan5763. Many of the old business machines can have some random faults that only pop up through daily drive. Had a family member go through the same thing.
@@jubjub727 Really asides for the video editors the majority of them could be put on raspberry pi 5s as thin client for a local to the network hosted VM server for their machines. Yeah an new job would be needed for when unique to virtual machines problems arise but with how big they have gotten it will most likely be someone who know what keywords to put into google to get the correct answer quicker than their correct IT guy does.
Well for the video editing machines have a 4090 or 3090ti in the direct hardware they are working on is basically a need for their job position. For some jobs running on the local hardware of a raspberry pi 5 is probably better than a virtual machine. Why the pi5 and not a mini computer? Just lower power consumption for the same performance. If the IT guy has a good mind he can probably find a lower or similar power consumption (+/- 30 Watts of power draw from the wall) x86 based machine with the same performance in what they need it to be.
Thank you. Still using 2007 VIA C7 2GHz (Jetway J7F2WE) desktop under Win XP, 2009 Intel Atom 330 1.6GHz (Jetway NC92) desktop under Windows 7, 2013 AMD E350 1.6GHz (Gygabyte GA-E350N) desktop under Win 7, 2018 AMD Ryzen 5 2500 laptop under Win 10. Working fine beside the RAM usage getting ridiculous with each Windows update. For "security reason" they say.
good god, sorry but those are and where horrible embedded systems. do you per chance just run industry software on the embedded systems? because thats the only usecase i can fathom where they dont need a few minutes for moderate tasks. laptop is fine tho, ryzen mobile rocks.
@@tarkitarker0815 Not embedded systems, full mini-ITX boards, very efficient, just some lack of memory on some of them. I don't do gaming on them though, for obvious reason.
@@davidkoch9123well my point still stands, and dude, you cant get shit done on via, via was remarked as too slow to enjoy working even back when the chips came out. it has a reason ibm bought via for the sole reason of "no interaction" low power systems to watch over things like surge spikes. i get that you can live by it, but you would have saved money if you dropped the via system as via was EOL by energy costs. idk if you keep it as a hobby but it seems that way.
@@tarkitarker0815Of course no more "real work" is done on it, yet it remained my main system for more than 5 years and it did great, office work, coding, browsing, the biggest lack was video capability, had to add a 5200 video card to get decent 3D and playback, but still a great system, whatever you may believe or not, the C7 was very capable back then.
@@davidkoch9123define "back then" up until 2012 i believe you, you made it sound like you still use it. none of the systems apart from the atom were awful 4 years after release, but shortly after. the atom was just ewaste to begin with.
I feel like most of the weird bugs people encountered were because they moved the drives from their current systems into the older ones. Windows doesn't exactly like having conflicting drivers installed. And I know that windows has the sysprep /generalize tool but in my experience from creating windows images, your image source machine should match the target hardware as close as possible. That's why in order to minimize the number of images they have to maintain, many companies only offer 3-4 system choices overall.
Seriously tho I can’t believe they did that.
extreme tech downgrade
Intel got a lot more upset at LTT than we thought
Gotta pay for Luke’s upgrades somehow
is that linus's response to employees stealing from the office? Linus just goes to their houses and steals computer stuff. Great video idea!
Extreme, my foot! If it's 64-bit, it's too new. Make 'em work on a 486 with Windows 3.1, like it's 1994, THEN you can call it "extreme".
@@Roxor128I thought extreme was reserved for stone tools
Honestly i've been working in IT for schools and Councils in the UK for 7 years and a lot of them are still running 6th gen I5/7. For basic office tasks, teams meetings and spreadsheets they are perfect. The internal networks and domains are the bottleneck most of the time. Dells warranty is brilliant as well. Log a support ticket and a guy is waiting at the office doors the next morning with all the parts to repair the PC. You cannot fault that.
Too bad Microsoft will stop providing Windows Updates to these machines October 2025 with Windows 10 going EOL. They're not compatible to Windows 11.
Dell's support is just extraordinary
They made office PCs so incredibly serviceable. In most cases it takes 6 screws in total to completely replace the motherboard. Lesser parts can be replaced without tools. These computers are underappreciated.
You can fault it when the service technicians are hired without a vetting process (contract company) and their KnowledgeBase is significantly worse than your own I.T,
Albeit thats not a problem everyone has but it sure is a problem we had.
@@Steamrick most machines that aren't considered compatible by windows update, can still be installed with Windows 11 using a boot drive
I'm using one as my main media player (streaming, stored videos, music, etc). It's a 3rd generation i7-4790 than can IN FACT play the newest games... IF it's it got a beefier display card in it. I put in a simple 1060, which is more than enough for just playing media. Got it refurbished from Amazon and I tweaked it to my needs and put it in a nicer case. I tweaked the GUI to resemble more like a smart TV app and programmed macros to use it with a PC remote control so it auto opens webpages and auto full screen without having to manually glide around with a mouse cursor.
I helped my dad build a low budget pc for him to run ms flight sim, i7-4790, 32gb ddr3, rx 6600 -
Runs 4k on high totally playable (given that a sim is not a fast paced game, so 18-20 fps goes fine)
Also *manages* to run the sim on VR at 1.1x quest 2
Why was their downgrade literally better than the specs of my "gaming" pc
The urge to get yourself something new because It has been years
10 years, still flew like a rocket, but the new computer off I feel im going into warp or something
im still using my 1080ti and its still chugging along. absolutely no issues. the difference in an upgrade for me is in the 10s of milliseconds
@@spacekitt.n i am still using a intel hd 510
I still have an 8700k paired with a 3080.🤣
@@StuartBreland 3080 is fine that's just one gen behind and it's a high-end card.
That "why did you cut to me" was super well done. Love these kinds of scenes that make the reporting of LTT less boring than conventional channels.
(Stephen from) GamersNexus is so insanely boring to watch for me, another commented he LITERALLY uses his videos to fall asleep, lol.
Well, if you only get choppy playback in 4k on those machines you have pretty nice machines. In the school I was at a few years ago they had computers that would lock up when dragging a file between windows or when daring to open Firefox and Explorer at the same time and not let one of them fully start up before you start the other.
I'd love to see an episode where you take a look at your purpose-built machines for CAD and any niche uses
I hope my boss doesn't see this video because even before it he would buy PCs with 240GB SSD, 8GB RAM and no dedicated graphics for people doing mechanical engineering+electrical engineering+programming.
I have to go around on monthly basis and upgrade ssd to bigger ones or add extra ram on various PCs.
Some of the PCs/laptops are still rocking HDD and/or 4GB of DDR3 RAM.
And best GPUs he allows for engineering department are GT1030 or quadro p620 both with whopping 2GB of VRAM.
Few days ago I've opened a solidworks assembly file with 600 parts and doing anything was like watching paint dry, single operations would take up to 6 minutes (to then tell me "whoops i cant do it").
Some people complain to me that their PC takes 30 minutes to boot, I then mention it to the boss (so I get a nod to buy the parts and upgrade it) and he tells me to tell people to just go grab a f*ckin coffee or do something else in meantime (upgrade cost under $50).
lol that's a bad boss
Your boss is not really doing a good job of being a IT person. Has anyone dared to tell him?😅
All that boss is doing is wasting people's time and his own money. Any person with a room temperature IQ or higher would realize that investing in better systems would save money, and in turn also save money, and pay themselves off in no time. That type of pettiness and close mindedness shouldn't be in any high positions
The workers time is worth more then the upgrade; if I was managing the team I would get excellent workstations.
One of my favorite quotes from a former colleague: "I've been in meetings that cost more to discuss than the hardware we were considering." The job of IT is not to waste money, and that can be either in the form of hardware or people's time.
At my last job (July 2019 to January 2024) as an embedded software developer, I was given a hand-me-down Dell Optiplex 790 from 2011 with an i5-2400 CPU and an ATI(!) Radeon 5450 GPU. One of the PC's previous users upgraded the RAM, and I doubled the number of GPUs so I could add a 3rd monitor.
The computer was perfectly fine for me for 3.5 years. It only became a problem during my last year there because I started working on multiple projects at the same time and thus had an excessive number of things open. Both RAM and CPU became bottlenecks at that point.
What OS?
i can get windows 11 on i5 750@@trevorbeingtrevor
@@yifanyin9845 Yup, it's not the preferred cpu for that OS, but it'll work.
yeah its first gen i5 lol,. i got it to 4.1ghz one time@@ArtisChronicles
@@trevorbeingtrevor It had Windows 7 on it when I got it, and I upgraded it to Windows 10 in late 2020 or late 2021.
How does ltt manage to make videos about how they make videos
My current gaming PC is a circa 2013 engineering workstation optiplex rescued from a pallet in the shed at work. It had mold growing on it.
$150 worth of GPU and PSU later it runs great
Hardware doesn't need to be the latest and greatest to be functional and useful. As tech advances, it certainly does pay to recycle and repurpose older devices whenever possible.
i use a 1st gen i7 and an asus GT 430 as my 3d printer slicer machine. runs just fine! i even use it for remapping damaged hard drives for clients and friends who need repairs
4RIL is a spam channel that uses AI generated voices and stock footage. LTT please add them to your block list or whatever you were using
How come this comment has got 100 likes when ones of equal measure posted hours ago have got none?
Especially since tech seems to "progress" sideways nowadays. For day to day stuff, performance hasn't gotten noticeably better in the past three AMD cpu generations. Yes, you can see it when you play games and run databases with lots of data throughput and what not, but for just day to day ops like browsing, watching videos, office work and light simulations, the performance is plentiful. Same for intel chips, although I wouldn't buy them for two reasons - Intel has some scumbag CEOs and I don't want to support his snobby nonsense and on top of that, their processors are not as power efficient. I can't agree with that paradigm, especially when they have no problem asking for a hefty amount of gold for those parts.
I used a 4th gen core i7 and gtx 1070 up until the middle of 2023. Still can run a surprising amount of current releases as long as it's low settings with some upscaling.
At one of my previous employers. They had several pre build specs for pc's and laptops that managers could order. Something like Office > Engineer > Developer spec. All pc's came in pre-build and we swapped them if something was wrong. A person from our supplier would come by to repair pc's/laptops.
If a department needed something special they needed to put in a special request.
E-waste was interesting as we would routinely take out memory and video cards and CPUs from developer machines for spare parts. The sheer amount of 5th and 6th gen CPUs just tossed out as old garbage was astounding. Nice I7s as well. Old Radeon 500 series cards. Nice Crucial Ballistix memory. Developers and C-level employees got all of the goodies and e-waste was a goldmine to keep the older stuff upgraded and running. We also had at least 5-10 spare of everything including power supplies, just in case. All the e-waste companies usually got was a case with a board in it and some misc cables and so on. :)
We have some video editing in the company i work at. A Dell with a 13700K + 32GB ram, nvme ssd + RTX A2000 12GB card is def. enough for video editing. We tested and ran it on the GPU built into the CPU before installing the RTX A2000 cards, still worked quite well even if it was a bit lag.
Question: did you just move the system drive 2:40 and boot from the old windows installation or did you re-install?
Because no re-install would explain quite some of the issues you ran into.
I've been gaming on an i7-4790K (that refuses to overclock without crashing), a GTX 1070 FE, and 16 GB of DDR3 1600 RAM, and am still getting totally playable frame rates out of all my games at 1080p. Sure, some newer titles I have to turn the graphics down a little, but considering I've gotten ~8 years of use out of my gaming PC, I'm not complaining!
same specs, just 6700k. It is still pretty fine. And I do quite a bit of solidworks.
Core i7 3770K (OC to 4,7 GHz), 32 GB DDR3 1866 MHz and RTX 3060 12GB for me : Cyberpunk maxed out @ 1080p and 90 fps, thanks to the DLSS + FSR3 mod ! 😁🥰🥰 No need to upgrade now 😅. Also, I do quite a bit of video editing and high load calculations on it. Works like a charm.
That's pretty much the same Computer I just replaced (my had 32GB). I agree it's still solid although it began showing its age . I replaced it because my workloads grew more compute hungry and also I got sick of Nvidia (I run Linux and their proprietary drivers are baad). I'm still using it as a home server tho
similar specs, the only real proplem is that i have a hard drive, and that means longer load times, but other than that, no real problems!
I'd probably still be on a 4790k if I hadn't found the best deal I've ever found on anything on a 2nd hand 9900k/z390 based machine. Was totally fine for the games I play.
*OVERLY BEARDED LINUS JUMPSCARE!!!*
I did not expect the beard
He's trolling us now
Tf is he doing
bruh his jawline went from bald to bush in 5 days
he's applying to play for ZZ Top
I can attest to this in my personal experience. My dad (an accountant with decades of experience) runs an old workstation similar to the ones in the video at home in his office. All he really does is web browsing and excel work so it doesnt need to be over the top.
Also at my previous work which happened to be a large corperation (myself working as an engineer) we utilized Lenovo Thinkpads for our work. They did have 12th or 13th gen intel cpus so they werent all that old, but they also werent anything overkill, and they did the job just fine for mine and most others workloads. There was the option for more powerful laptops if you were doing CAD work, but only for those who needed them
The same goes with the company I work for. They use standard computers and laptops for the vendors with which they work - Dell for Windows and Apple for Mac. As most of the people are expected to work remotely with some exceptions, nearly everyone gets a laptop. If you have a technical issue, you just go to technical support team and they put your SSD into a new laptop (Mac excluded) and you continue with your day. Additionally, we have virtual desktops and cloud sync in case something go really bad.
We still use Optiplex 5050s with 6th gen I5’s in my office. About 6 months ago a couple of us went through and put new (budget) SSDs and at LEAST 16GB of RAM in each of the 80 towers we have, and they work fantastic for our needs (chrome,office,slack,zoom). All that with triple monitors too.
Nifty. I don't know if Windows has any distributed build facility, but that would make one hell of a compile farm.
Exactly this! OK, not talking high-end gaming or CAD here, but even just this week I "fixed" an ASUS laptop for a friend that was desperate need of some TLC because it was "so slow and buggy". I turned up at his place armed with a cheap'n'cheerful 512GB WD Blue SSD and 8GB RAM, downloaded a copy of DIsk Genius, and cloned his drive. Swapped the drives over and fitted the new 8GB to the spare slot (16GB total now), and what do you know...? "Wow! It's faster than when it was new!"
I'm amazed people still have OS's on spinning HDD's, but even more surprised how "new" his ASUS laptop was that was shipped with one too! I can understand "old" business machines with them though, and how popular you and your colleague wound've been fixing all those company PCs!
@@MrMairu555 haha, you are so right, swapping HDDs to SSDs is actually night and day difference. Only issue we’re having is the I5-6500 is not compatible with Win11, so we may have software support issues in the next year or 2.
@@RaceDude57do you actually need to run windows enterprise software on them? if not, just edit the win install files to disable the shitty support module requirement and distribute the roms via boot on lan.
@@tarkitarker0815 I’ll have to give that a look. We do need Win Pro to log in with our Azure accounts, but no enterprise stuff. Our whole company is pretty much web based besides accounting and other departments using the adobe suite. I’ll have to give that a try. Maybe I can make a bootable usb with modified files and run through all the PCs with that.
Most companies are moving or have already moved away from desktops and moving to laptops with docking stations. Like you said laptops can run 99% of what is needed and if you need more power a desktop is ordered
There used to be a price differential that made desktops preferable, but it's just not there anymore.
Used to be that in order to get good performance, reliability and durability, you'd go Lenovo T-series, HP EliteBook or similar class computers, but with the latest gen you get just about the same performance with a Lenovo E14 Gen5 as you do with a T14 Gen4 (the 2023 gen business laptops). Used to be you would sacrifice a lot when it came to materials and builds with the E-series vs T-series but on the latest gen you're just giving up some corporate nice-to-haves.
That suddenly lets you bulk buy laptops at a rate not too far off a similar Intel NUC, Lenovo Tiny or other 1L-formfactor computers. With USB C/Thunderbolt docking stations or monitors with built-in docks, you're good. Yes, those add extra cost, but can be re-used for at least a couple of cycles.
And even then, they often just use more powerful mobile systems
We use NUC's... I now feel a substantial hatred towards those...
They manage to be absurdly loud whilst overheating anf all of that without delivering any power at all.
Laptops, Thin Clients, or a combination thereof in my experience. With homeoffice having gotten much more prominent in the past couple years, I've seen laptop adoption go way up.
@@Steamrick the place i work at a put in the suggestion to use raspberry pies because one are we have 20 machines but all they do is scan bar codes and log people time for piece rate, even though they use those small dell towers but it's all basically server based now
I held onto my old HP Z210 (bought for $200)… for a long time…and it did a good job for me. I also kept W7 until the bitter end. When I finally decided it was time to move to W11, I bought two HP Z6s with W10 installed (amazing machine). 3 years later… now W11, I upgraded my processors and ram (to a ridiculous level). I do not plan anymore hardware changes until age 10… when I’ll be ready for new machines.
My "work" machine is a Mac Pro trashcan running Windows 11. 64GB of RAM and an upgraded SSD and it works brilliantly. But I only do Office Apps and Web, although I do have a Parsec bug where I have to do software decoding, but I'm blaming the slightly odd Mac/Bootcamp setup.
Not mentioned in this video: Many companies are constantly replacing their machines every few years or so because they are LEASED and not PURCHASED. If a computer is leased, it is a regular, expected, expense. It isn't the company's problem to properly dispose of the machine at the end of its life. It isn't the company's problem to repair it if/when the hardware breaks (that is the manufacturer's issue). And, all of this... is exceptionally important... as many companies are moving to "all staff get a laptop" for "capability to work remote (whether the employee wants it... or the employer requires it)".
Yes, many small businesses could easily buy 3 "grade A" refurbished machines for their one or two "office workers". Why 3? One or two for use, and another when a bug in one of those forces a machine hot swap. Gamers usually cannot get good prices on these, though, due to inadequate PSUs, proprietary wiring / case designs, etc. Luckily for many, though, the "SFF living room PC" (for many) is now easily replaceable with direct plug in to HDMI / DP port stick PCs with built-in wired networking/WiFi. Want to play steam games? Steam deck (and allow your gaming PC to do the heavy lifting).
Companies lease low-end quality, minimal cost, machines. Manufacturers make them, and make a hefty profit. First party manufacturers (Intel, AMD) get a place to sell their low-end quality dies (lowest end CPUs) instead of everyone demanding mid to high end. And, in the end, recyclers ... and landfills... get the waste.
exactly. We at work have mac pro 7.1 leased and I actually got to buy a 28-core 512gb RAM version at the end of the lease plan for less than 2k $. (Lease plans are usually 2~5 years, ours was 5, now the whole company uses mac studios on an another 5-year plan.)
"...As recent as 6th gen"
A lot of companies have 3/5 year replacement cycles. At the company that I work for, we're now cycling out 10th gen laptops and starting to cycle 8th gen desktops (we've just completed our 7th gen desktop decommision)
work is 5 years, and most people are not due for an upgrade quite yet, when the covid hit everyone got a laptop and desktops are only for those that actually need extra power the high end laptops can't provide
@@EnyoStudio doesnt the AI requirement only apply to prebuilts shipping with 12?
@@EnyoStudioisn't the CPU only a bottleneck if the game actually uses the CPU but since most games only use the GPU it doesn't matter?
@@Lollllllzwe are barely on Windows 11 and your saying Windows 12 exists? Lol
@@bland9876 there are rumors that the the next major version of windows(commonly referred to in the rumor mill as 12) will require an NPU and 40 TOPs performance of unknown criteria and 16gb minimum ram presumably for the AI features.
My daily driver is a HP Elitebook Folio 1040 G1, with Intel Core i5 vPro, 8GB (or 12, can't remember) and a 500GB M.2 Sata SSD. Changed the battery a few years ago, otherwise nothing done. Its released in 2014 and I've had it since 2015. It's my second Elitebook, my previous one was a 8560p. My father-in-law still uses the 8560p as his daily driver. I added some memory and put a SSD in it
I recently returned to an area at work I hadn't ben in for 6months or so and noticed the computer was snappier. It had been upgraded from i5 10400 to i5 13400 (both Dell Optiplex using iGPU). It was definitely noticeable in everyday tasks.
I really appreciate your channel making this video, and I hope you periodically shine a light on this perspective in the future. If I have one critique, it's that all the "test subjects" are from the writing team. The video does a great job explaining why video editors & CAD/designers were excluded, but what about the other departments? Are the other departments already using brand-name prebuilts? What about Sarah (or someone from her team), or the labs? (seeing as this might have been a great cost saving measure for an expansion with multiple workstations)
Well Sarah is presumably running Photoshop and illustrator where cpu speed is still important, labs would be compiling, crunching large spreadsheets and who knows what else.
Presumably they also wanted to stick with fairly technical users who don't do heavy processing on their machines which is pretty clearly the writing team. Also it's one member of the writing team coordinating this video so they probably just asked the people who sit around them
I work in a professional CAD (primarily Solidworks) environment with older (admittedly workstation class) DELL hardware. I call BS on the majority of calls for the lastest hardware being needed. I still use a Quadro P4000 for example, and it's more than capable of running my software. I'm limited more by other inept co-workers than I am by my hardware!
Are we certain that putting drives from new computers wasnt the issue? In my humble experience windows drives put into different systems tends to shit itself.
Yeah. I agree with you, those machines shouldn’t be that bad.
See I have had zero issues doing that. My current OS install has been through multiple upgrades. It started as Windows 7 on a Q6600 followed by an i5 3570k. It was then upgraded to Windows 10 and shortly after cloned to an NVMe on a Z97 board. Then it got upgraded to an AM4 X570 with a 3700x and now it's in the same system with a 5800x. I've amazingly had no problems and still boots in seconds. That said, I do run maintenance on the registry from time to time and I have also removed all traces of previous drivers (including force unhiding everything in device manager to purge old entries).
The main reason I imagine that the old systems were that bad is I bet they have a LOT of background processes/apps purely because they can do so on their modern systems without noticing it.
@@AndyMitchellUK26The glitching what bothered me mostly, tipical driver issues. I experienced exactly this when I tried to save the data from an old pc.
@@AndyMitchellUK26 Did you hear of Theseus' ship? xD
I still daily a 1366 socket machine at work, it was an old Supermicro server board, but with a GPU and 48gb of ram it's still working a treat.
Nice video. I myself found a power spec pc off ebay for $89. It had an i-5 4th gen. cpu, 16 gigs of ddr3 ram, 240gb ssd, and intel H.D. graphics. I put punisher stickers all over it and hooked it up to a 43 inch 4k monitor. The picture quality was amazing and doing 2K. For my multimedia and internet needs, it is great for me.
I work and game on a Dell Optiplex 7010 from 2012. The system has a quad core i7 3770, 16GB of DDR3, a 2GB AMD FirePro W4100 graphics card and an aftermarket SSD that has pretty decent read and write speeds. My work involves graphic design, web design, light video editing and animation and some web development stuff, and the games I play include Rocket League, Fortnite, Fall Guys, Among Us, some GTA games, some Halo Games and a few others. My 2012 PC with a graphics card and an SSD slapped inside gets me by smoothly for about 90% of the things I do. I don't really game much but when I do I can pull very playable frames as long as I run certain games in medium to low settings, and work stuff wise it never breaks a sweat. For the type of stuff I do it's more than capable and I could probably even get by on even less powerful hardware. 😂
I use an 7020 with i7 4790, 16 gb of ram DDr3 1600, an AMD Radeon RX580 of 8GB, two HDD of 2 GB each and 1 SSD of 512. I can play pretty well all the games i play. Was thinking in changing it for an Core i7 7700 with the same amount of ram but later i found that i got no real benefit of using that new configuration.
ok.
Those "bugs" could have been related to the fact that you just moved the SSD to the other machine and not a fresh install.
Also, Some of those could be related to GPU issues.
I think some 8-9 gen CPU machines would be ideal for office stuff, with a drop in 1650 gpu for a powerful yet reasonable gpu. I suggest Tanner try that combination and see what happens.
Flickering youtube is something that happens on my gtx 1070. It is chromium bug that nobody fixes for a year or two.
i feel like you did not do a complete driver refresh using dell command update. It would probably fix a lot of the issues they ran into.
that black flashing issue - I had that issue on my laptop for the longest time and it turned out to be the iGPU trying to render the website and the discreet GPU trying to render some video ad or site video and both of them fighting each other because the CPU couldn't decide which one had priority.
I'm still running a i7 4790k, with a 1080ti and 16gb ram
i dont know other countries but in mine 4790k prices are ridicilous - its only 20% cheaper than i5 12400f, z97 mobos has the same prices as used b660, and ddr3 cost more than ddr4, so i matter of whole pc cost 4gen cost more than 12gen, sometimes even 3gen cost more
1080ti ? sheeeesh someones rich, nah ive just upgraded other stuff first, i7 7700, 1070, 32 gb ram, and tbh the saddest part, my cpu holds me back more then my gpu in most games.
That's still a baller PC, even though that CPU is kinda shit by today's standards mostly cuz it's a quad core, the GPU is still upper mid-range, it outperforms both the rtx 3060 12GB and the RX 6650 XT 8GB, which are both very popular and not to mention, much more expensive cards.
what games you play? i wouldn't want to play cs2 with that rig lol
YOOO I USE i5 4670K WITH RX570
New video idea:
I upgraded ALL your PCs so we can't make any more videos!
i accidentally spent one mill to play doom
I worked a couple of months as IT for the US Census, and it was fascinating how they handled workstations. The one frustrating part was having all the security protocols turned up to 11, but that aside.... each desk had a mini hp with I7 processors remotely logging into servers with virtual machines running Windows. Didn't matter what desk or PC you were at. All your files and settings would be there when you logged in.
6:35 I've had this exact issue regarding black flashing screens in videos and certain games before. It's usually when the expected specs and the system aren't fully compatible anymore, such as a game built for XP and Vista running in 10 or an older OS with an outdated player not parsing codecs properly.
0:00 the futurama reference is so good for this one
I mean there is a reason schools and large businesses standardize their equipment. One companies like Lenovo offer better warranty on their business class items. Especially if purchased not via normal retail. It makes it easier to manage and replace a device if it does crap out as well if you buy devices with removable storage as then you can just swap machines out and move hard drives and have the user up in a matter of minutes.
I led a school roll out of Lenovo desktops for a district and it was like 1400 machines. Before delivering them they had us setup the bios with boot order for things like boot from network most other methods really locked down and with a password they provided.
Once delivered we setup them up hit the power button and they pushed out custom school district images to each pc as it booted over the network adapter. It also lets them wipe any remotely as well. Pretty handy in some circumstances.
My 2012 Retina MacBook Pro 16GB and i7 8600/780Ti/16GB PC still do everything I need. Light 1080p video editing, Logic Pro, Android "dev" stuff. And I upgraded the PC from i5 4430/660Ti in...2019
I work for a company that sources computer hardware for orgs looking for server and workstation equipment, my job is actually to find businesses who are upgrading machines so we can help them sell or safely dispose of their old assets. those Optiplex machines with the i5-6500 are everywhere and customers are shocked when we give them the quotes for how much we can sell them for.
the transitions between everyone talking were pretty smooth, felt very natural almost like one person was talking the entire time
Teacher here - I Agree. I would probably do all but gaming on a 100€ Mini-PC. I just wish our student-PCs at least had SSDs in them. I would do unspeakable things to just have enough PCs for 2 whole classes of 30, that actually boot up to be used in the lesson you pressed the boot button. Alas, we only have one per 2 students (if they work - which they often don't), and they are leased so we may not service them ourselves, yet we have neither money nor IT-people to bring us up to any sort of standard..
(If you are reading this and have suggestions for the german space/market, I would love them.)
I'd suggest reaching out to donations from parents and/or companies they work for. Its absurd this happens. Every student needs a PC to study on. Also the fact that the school doesn't maintain the IT lab is also a problem. I'd make this as part of the curriculum, to be able to replace parts, upgrade and or troubleshoot. Or at least as an "IT club" for students that are pasionate about computers.
@@helloukw yeah I am told we used to have our own gear provided by a non profit and be able to Service it with an it club. But the city (and thereby our it department) only maintains the leased products... All the education money went into iPads for the students and now everyone thinks that replaces the need for real PCs...
I've just finished upgrading my X99 system that I bought in Jan 2017, just before the first Ryzen came out. I now have an i7 5960X (8/16), 32GB 2133MHz RAM, and a GTX 1080Ti. Despite the technology being at least 7 years old, the rig still dominates. My work PC has a Ryzen 7 5800X, 32GB 3600MHz RAM, and an RTX 3070, and in practice there's very little (if any) difference between the two systems. I've always loved older tech and will always favour it in my personal builds.
This is basically what im doing with my laptop.
It's a refurbished ThinkPad P52 with an 8th gen i7.
It does everything I need it to do. I don't play games on it or do things like video editing.
All I'm using it for is general computer use, and it handles that perfectly.
Do you think directly installing the SSDs from the fast PCs to the older ones contributed to the glitchiness? I have a suspicion that windows was a little confused at times, which led to installed drivers misbehaving.
That is a strong possibility.
Thought the same thing
Same.
Likely driver issues
Ya they needed to do the driver uninstall install thing. Linus never mentioned doing it so I'm guessing they didn't since it's important enough I think they would have mentioned it if they did it.
Challenge Video Idea: We Switched all our PCs to Linux to Prove You Can Too
No need to upgrade hardware for Windows 11. 5% better speed via Proton. $600 saved. And, yes, this is my main PC. No worries - rip that band aid off now. 2024 is not 2014 and Linux has come a long way.
@@josephoberlander"linux has come a long way" yeah but you still have to cope with the shell to install some shit, you have weird installation files that need you to do more than clicking next and you cant access your file browser as easy. its REALLY not worth it for companies, and i doubt anyone that isnt enthusiast about it, also i doubt proton gives more performance, its a TRANSLATION layer.
@@tarkitarker0815 My last install was literally half as painful, a quarter as involved, and twice as fast as Apple. I went from an image to formatted, installed, drivers updated, a reboot, and packages downloading in under 10 minutes. IF you get the right distro, it really can be idiot-proof easy, especially if you have an AMD based video card.
@@josephoberlanderdude ive tried mint and ive tried ubuntu, ubuntu is way more hassle, but even with mint idfk what to do with the shell enviourment, and i used the internet to get a hang of it, most linux sites are actually extremely arrogant in their way of explaining "yeah just type XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX into the shell to get the installation package for the amd drivers, now direct to folder xxxxxx and then enable xxxx in the gui, problem is they dont make it clear how to get there, there are no easy access buttons like in windows and the gui of said community driver is not telling me where to activate shit, instead i should click through 10 sites of gui, but thats not even where it starts. to get most advanced shit you can do quite easy in windows if you are well versed with it you need to install 10+ files and know the ins and outs which makes a 1 minute task take 30 minutes. linux aint the way for the public.....
@@josephoberlander"as apple" dude no one is taking apple as a standard for anything. if you do that its your own fault.i get the feeling you just try to work on linux and apple, but the majority of ppl that use pc´s at home do NOT work on them. they want them to browse, watch videos and play a game without installing 20 extra pieces. do not compare apples to oranges.
I did the end-of-life upgrade for my z87 desktop gamer just two months ago. 4th gen i7 4790k, rtx 2080 and 32gb ddr3. A couple of 2tb evo 860s in there too. For now it plays cyberpunk decently at 144p, does all the things I expect from it. Hoping it'll last another two-three years.
Fascinating video idea! Good on Tanner for setting up this fascinating experiment, and the other three for going along with it (though I noticed Tanner didn't dogfood his own experiment 😛)
For a tech media company, there's value add to have custom computers for most employees as a part of the company culture, it builds the vibe that computers are more than just the hardware specs.
I am still running a i7-4790 and it works like a charm for most semi modern games.
I only recently replaced my beloved Radeon R9 390 with a used 2070Super, because the non-existent driver support caused some issues in a few games.
2070 super is still a workhorse
4930k with a 6800xt myself. Definitely feel the age in some games but for 4k 60 fps its good enough :)
@@greatmatt301dude thats not comparable
@@Just-A-CZcams-User the CPU absolutely is.
@@greatmatt301 Ryzen 5 2600 with 6700xt here, bought it on the summer of last year and absolutely loving the raw GPU performance, It's everything i ever wanted from a PC!
Ugh. Thanks LTT for putting this out there. You've really helped out IT Admins here. Hopefully no-one making decisions in organisations about whether they should refresh out of warranty computers watches this.
A lot of the small business haven't upgraded their pcs in a decade. There was a company i worked with, and it had 4gb of ram. They said it was snappy when they got it, so it must have been slower because of a "virus" I installed. I installed a virus scanner, it was clean. They said I got infected with a "dangerous new undetectable" virus.
VM resource allocation is also a big pain in the butt. A bank gave my team some pretty slow machines to do ML, arima based modeling with bank data. The code frequently crashed.
No, I downgraded my PCs to prove YOU don't need a new one!!
Take this offer or leave it LTT!!
Right now I'm using an old Dell laptop from 2007. I bought it at an estate sale for $50. I upgraded the ram, it came with just 1 gig, I put in 4 gig. I also put in an ssd. Boot time got much better. It's running Lubuntu. 22.04
Good deal.... // If you are using a video editor.... or if you have a suggestion... which one would you recommend? Thanks.
That's one thing I'd like to do this summer: put NVMe in my old boxes which are now on spinning rust. I'll need other media for boot, but that should make things a lot snappier.
@@FeedScrn Thinkpad T480's are adequate for video editing
@@MinecraftCheating - Good to know... Thanks. Also... a possible software suggestion please(?) Linux works for me as well.
@@FeedScrn it depends. the t480 can run windows 11 or 10 very well. if you want to use linux, i'd suggest popOS
Watching this at home on a 13 year old HP Probook 6560b from 2011. I don't mind using older hardware at home for basic tasks. The laptop I have to use at work is a lot newer and much more powerful, but the company I work for has installed a lot of security and encryption software on it, which makes that machine feel as slow as my personal device.
In the late 90s and 2000s I used to get a new computer every 2 years. Since the 2010s I have started to use my computers for at least 4 years with strategic upgrades to Video Cards and storage. My current computer I assembled at the end of 2020. I just recently upgraded to a RTX 4070 Super from a RTX 2070 Super. I also added a 10Gbit NIC to go with my upgraded LAN.
The 4th gen chips are still good! not that much of a downside unless you doing heavy workloads! Love the video!
i like 12 gen core i5 storage speed is what matters whit light use
@@Chris-onyt Man, My pc is a dinosaur... Like flashbacks to un-bearded Linus reviewing the pc I am using old.
wow hope you dont have to use the igpu they were pretty bad@@BinkersGaming
Even 4th gen is more than enough for casual users. Today I used my backup laptop that has a 1st gen i3 and forgot how snappy it is with a period-correct OS and programs.
yes the main benefit of a newer cpu is newer video codecs that help youtube work it can run on older cpus but on a laptop it will waste battery on desktop wastes powerdoes the battery still work on your 1st gen core i3 laptop@@FlyboyHelosim
I gamed on a optiplex 7010 that I threw a rx 580 4gb, 500gb ssd, 8(upgraded to 16) gb of ram, and a i7 3770 for the past 4 years and only just now upgraded.
I JUST RESTORED my first custom pc running Xp, that is now 20 years old. It works great for programming, watching dvds, burning dvds, and 3d modeling
Running a 6700k with gtx 1070 🤓 doing nice for me in photo/video editing, transcoding etc, web browsing and playing little bit of games sometimes. I'm happy with my pc but your videos make me feel mad at my pc to upgrade to latest builds. 😄
For the video playback issue, I don't think it's about the age of the processor, but wether it's hardware accelerated (codec), with no driver issues and software also supports it
Could also be VLC, its default settings can suck for certain file types/codecs.
I think they mentioned it's RAW footage, which is gonna be a lot of data, especially for Skylake.
My company actually started having me build the machines we use (we’re a very small company personnel-wise so we can get away with that) and legit one of the first things I do is evals on what the tasks are that are going to be accomplished by each machine, and then spec the machine to be excellent for that task set for a duration of a minimum of 5-years, and can be stretched for 10 in case we find ourselves in a financial pickle at upgrade time. We save money from pre-builds but only because my time would be used for similar amounts going through the process to purchase and validate machines, but if you don’t have a me at your office, modest spec’d pre-builds are literally just fine to get work done.
All I got from the video is how spoiled employees are at LTT. The problems they talked about were mostly Software Related & you'd think Employees at a Tech Company could solve those problems. I get why Tech Manufactures Solution to most problems is "Upgrade Your Hardware" but this should not be the case at a Tech Company. Sure certain departments like video editors need more demanding systems but most Employees could get by easy with older Hardware. The old saying "A penny saved is a penny earned" will always remain true.
At this moment I’m still rocking an Intel Core I5-3570K with 16 GB RAM and windows 10.
I had this machine built in November of 2012 so it’s basically as old as my daughter.
I think recently I’ve been hearing some squeaky noises from the PSU but apart from that, it runs well enough.
I’m blind, so am using onboard graphics, but I will need a GPU in my next machine, as I’ve started doing a lot of stuff with local LLM’s and music tools like Demucs which my current machine can’t handle.
It does surprise me that `I can do anything with any level of speed here though.
It’s not blazing fast obviously, but it’s not slow enough that I feel like I’m waiting around for hundreds of years to just open a Chrome tab, or perform an edit in Sound Forge, which is my two-track audio editor of choice.
I don’t know when CPU’s stopped becoming mega slow after a year or two, because I’m pretty sure that you couldn’t/wouldn’t use a 2002 CPU in 2012, but a 2012 CPU in 2024 still runs fine.
Definitely got my money’s worth from this box.
Grateful for that.
cool
dell x280's can be had refurbished on amazon for under $200. 8600u / 16gb ram / 256gb ssd / 1080p 12.1" touchscreen / USBc power. I bought 20 of them as a temporary upgrade for the cost of 2 of the soon to be distributed new machines.... and because they are 8th gen, they are windows 11 compatible - so they have a long service life ahead of them.
The T460's that we just retired have been workhorses for 8 years, and are still perfectly serviceable. I have not had a single dead unit.
Inspirons are also around this price point if you buy direct from Dell and come with a brand new i5. Noted not as rugged.
2:53 Unbearded Linus Hits Puberty
he already passed that
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012no way
I actually went through this at a hotel I worked overnight at, since it was just me working the 3rd with a single valet. We just brought our laptops and he sometimes brought his mini-atx. He even had a personal AV cart lol But yeah, all workstations were way too good for what they were used for and some were experiencing throttling issues. They replaced all the work stations. Except for the front desk check-in, which were basically bolted down. One morning, on my way out, I had to drop off a overnight box to my AGM. I go to see him at his office. I go in, "is that RGB?". I walk around the desk, bam! Fancy ass RGB light show with the panel off. Called it his 'Wellness Light". That's not how wellness lights work... The PC wasn't even purchased out of pocket and it was connected to the company network. IE Access to everything... Nothing happened to him of course.
I was a backend engineer working in java and I was using a decade old laptop (not even PC) with 16GB RAM and somewhat decent SSD for over 2 yrs.
Most apps would take 10-15 seconds to load and I needed to manage the open software very carefully. However, I was still able to get work done.
Now I'm 100% against giving underpowered laptops to working professionals since it's extremely annoying and laptop just freezes a lot of time during meetings, especially if I was sharing my screen but people with relatively simpler tasks like just using chrome and office software definitely don't need high end systems.
I was given a dell mini computer with an intel i7-9th gen. I was impressed in how much I could do on a mini pc work station that simply had NVMe and 16gb ddr4 2666
How is that a surprise?
Well it depends on what youre doing. Besides any rendering of course an iGPU works fine
My family computer is a mini lenovo pc, no gpu, only a 6th gen intel. It does things fast, reliable, no noice, no space occupation, support remote desktop for anyone at home. And we can also use it to play all the movies and tv shoes on tv. So for any basic tasks, you dont need fancy hardwares, a $100 pc is well capable of those needs. After that point, you then consider the things like professional software, gaming, or other tasks at hand.
Major car manufacturer from Munich uses this style of devices, they RDP into server.
I think full price was 200 EUR per set (monitor, keyboard, etc)
I only needed to upgrade my i7-4770 when I replaced my 1080 with a 4070ti.
My daily driver laptops are all high-end 6th gen Intel, which I got for free from work. They have hundreds of them sitting on a shelf.
I personally am a big Fan of the 1L TinyMiniMicro-Class as daily Desktop Driver behind the Monitor.
Cleandesk does so much to your Mind
I built my computer about 9 years ago. Intel i5-6600K, 16 GB 2133 with an EVGA Nvidia 1060 6GB video card and a few leftover components. About 2 years ago I started getting some stuttering on some games. I ran a computer diagnostic program and the only component listed as critical was the old 500GB HDD. This was a reused part and was most likely 15 years old at this point. I bought a 1 TB SSD and cloned the drive. Now this is still a rocket ship. I don't do COD online or anything like that. A few racing sims, RTS games, GTA V, Witcher 3 and Red Dead 2. I'm not missing anything I want. I've been building my own computers since the Pentium 2 came out. It's a lot of fun to not have to set a dozen jumper pins on the MB and program your sound card into a startup .BAT.
Cool story, but this video wasn't about home usage or gaming or any of that. This video was to show whether older business computers are still viable for BUSINESS USE today. Answer: not really for multiple reasons. Single guy building and maintaining home computer is entirely different from how business operate. Linus even hinted at that at the very end.
'Old' Enthusiast builds are over spec for office tier work@@Glotttis
Good try
That's the point, a simple switch from an old HDD to an SSD or a faster network port can work wonders on older computer systems. Why replace entire computer systems if a $100 part for each can improve performance? My specs match theirs and mine was not even top of the line at the time I built it.
I'm pretty sure the 1060 is newer than 9 years old also I really hope that you didn't mean your C: drive was an HDD. Even 9 years ago we knew that wasn't good.
24-9=15 2015
I manage a few environments with almost 1000 laptops and desktops. We have optiplexs on 3 year leases with full warranty including replacement managed by intune. It's a dream. The one environment that has custom builds is an engineering lab with 30 units and it consumes more of my department's time than the entire rest of the organization. There's a reason these things exist and downtime for employees costs the company much more money.
Used my old system with a 3770 for 10 years, and I'm confident they are overstating the startup speed issue.
"Doing a lot of research"
"Aeldari vs Nekrons" in the background lol
My I5 6600K feels a bit insulted rn.
Just like my e3 1270 v1 😅
OK.. ? And what does your 6600K have to do with the subject of this video? This video was about older workstation computers being used in a business environment and whether it is viable (Answer: not really). Man I swear, people use any excuse they get to post whatever old junk PC they use.
@@Glotttis Man I swear, people use any excuse to reply to comments they don't agree with. You're allowed to NOT comment or reply if you have nothing of substance to add.
@@Glotttisare you ok buddy? 😂
@@Ltdcloud Yup, indeed this is a comment section and this is what it's for. Discussions, arguments, disagreements, etc. We've come to a point where every tiny disagreement or healthy skepticism in comment section is seen as "bad". Just follow like all the other sheep and don't ask any questions, right? Now please tell me, how random person on the internet saying they have a "6600K" is of any substance? How is it more of substance than my post?
Tanner: WE didn't get brand new computers but we got BRAND computers
We also watched the video.
The “ideal” office pc they talked about at the start was my exact office pc lol
My current concern with these older machines that I'd have liked you to touch on is the upcoming Windows 10 Home and Pro end of support and their (official) incompatibility with 11 - October 14, 2025 is just a year and a half away.