THIS Radiator Is Made From Recycled Sand!
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- We love featuring new and innovative low carbon heating solutions, and today we have something a bit special! A radiator made from a high percentage of recycled materials such as waste sand and glass.
Imogen and Robert went to visit Claire and Andy Pedley, the founders of a small business called The Poured Project. They produce composite baths, basins and sinks and are currently in the process of developing composite radiators. The radiators are low-wattage and cost-effective to run an ideal alternative to gas and oil for heating.
The Poured Project: thepouredproject.com
00:00 Introduction
00:25 The Future of Home Heating
00:42 What is a Composite Radiator?
01:18 Let’s Talk Radiators
01:57 Running Costs
02:20 Traditional Radiator Vs Composite Radiator
02:40 The Creation Process
04:33 Safety
05:05 World First?
06:29 Plug and Play
06:50 Recycled Waste and Creativity!
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We’ve noticed a few comments about efficiency and storage heaters, so for a little more clarity on why this is a little different. Storage heaters use convection to transfer heat. Convection systems have to heat all of the air in a space. These Composite radiators heat through convection but also heat through radiant heat i.e they effectively warm people and objects in addition to the air around them. Radiant heaters are considered more efficient because this targeted heating approach reduces energy waste and ensures that the heat is effectively utilized by the intended recipient, resulting in higher efficiency compared to traditional heating methods.
It's not directional though, it's a slab which would radiate in all directions, then stuff in the room would absorb the energy and pass it into the air. There is some really exciting research around high IR emmisive coatings which are being used in sub ambient passive cooling, but this doesn't have it, it's just concrete.
Sorry mate we need evidence, without it it's just marketing BS
Just use a radiant panel then. This thing is a joke
An oil filled radiator is also a radiant heater, they also work by having a heating element inside them, are we now to say these are suddenly super efficient? Anyone buying these sand radiators will not 'get their money back' with any cost savings over time.
I'm a huge fan of Fully Charged but you've slightly dropped the ball on this one. Perhaps you mean this heater is more *effective* but it's certainly not more efficient. Efficiency has a specific engineering meaning (useful_energy_output/energy_input) -- so this heater has the same efficiency as any other resistance heater, i.e. 100 per cent. Just pointing out this point of confusion as constructive criticism for an otherwise excellent production team...
The effect of perceived temperature from radiant temperatures is very important in building physics. So you can feel warm in a room with warm surfaces, even if the air is very cold. So yes there is a difference between this radiant heater and storage heaters (which have insulated sides), but there is no difference between this radiant heater and other radiant heaters.
Also this doesn't change the _efficiency_ of the device, but it's _effectiveness_. So yes radiant heat is a bit more effective than conductive heat but you really shouldn't make any claims about efficiency (which is why a lot of people are grumbling in the comments).
Come on chaps, ALL electric heaters are 100% efficient.
Only 100%
As opposed to a heat pump which is 400-500% efficient.
Dear Robert, there are no electronics in here. It is a resistive element - just a coil of wire. This is what we call electrics, not electronics. Please, get your team to understand the difference between electrical and electronic - a fundamental wish of mine for a channel touting Everything Electric!
In case this seems blurred, electrical just means employing conductive materials to convert electricity into other forms of energy. Electronic devices employ electricity to perform a task, typically this involves some silicon to enable processing power.
Your lovely man in Asia, Elliot, who does your car reviews out there confuses these 2 terms. A simple powered boot is not electronic, it is electrical - motors and mechanics.
I still liked this video, always a pleasure to view you and Imogen at work.
Struggle to believe that a 600watt heater is the same as Smart Tv. Most smart TVs are between 70 and 120 watts. Still an interesting product though.
Yeah, that claim jumped out at me. My nearly 10 year old LG 42 inch TV sips about 50W when it's on. I was pleasantly surprised by that!
Those radiators do look really cool (pardon the pun) and I love the percentage of recycled / waste material they're using.
Yeah that's more than my full gaming PC set-up running at max power. No chance just a TV is pulling that sort of power.
came to the comments when i heard that, my smart TV which is amazon fire TV 50 inch is 150w max power
600w for a single radiator in my view is expensive and not a few pence to run per hour, that would be about 18p per hour just for 1 radiator
I've got a 42" plasma that uses 400W, but I never use it because it uses 400W and also because it triggers my peril-sensitive welding mask which is a bit concerning.
@@MattOGormanSmith And that's pretty much the reason why plasma screens stopped production a decade ago!
I think the consensus on this one is clear to see in the comments. I love the fully charged show - but know your audience guys! We understand what 100W of electricity means, so describing these radiators as 'efficient' is misleading. It's exactly the same kind of non-science that (I love you for fighting against) the oil/gas industry puts out.
I like that you want to support a Yorkshire business and I get that they recycle - all great. But the title of the video has irked me and a few others.
it's essentially a slab of concrete mildly heated. We could do it cheaper by simply using 2 incandescent light bulbs to light the room and thus using the same energy to light and heat the room as a concrete heater and LED lights.
Same as calling them "carbon neutral" 🤮
Came here to say this. I feel let down.
Yeah this video does a pretty good job of misinforming people about heating and reducing the channel's credibility. In the battle against misinformation this is a real home-goal.
I was looking for this comment before giving this video any of my time. Thanks
Some issues here. 1) Smart TVs use nowhere near 600 Watts. Plasma displays could be up to 500 watts but, no one uses those anymore - .LED/OLED more like 100 watts for a 60 inch 2) Tis is just resistive electrically generated heat - it's always 100% efficient. Even the power cable will generate a little bit of heat. There is no loss. 3) Stating that a 150w heater costs 3p an hour to run is all very well, but you cannot deny the laws of physics and 150Watts is not going to create a lot of heat. The' uses recycled materials' part is the only benefit here. The only way to make electricity generate heat more than 100% efficiently is to run a heat pump. Otherwise these are no more efficient than an oil filled radiator. There's a reason we don't all use electrical heating unless we are on a special tariff - it's bl**dy expensive.
Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but these things simply turn electricity into heat, right? So, if your house needs 20.000 kWh of heat during winter, these will consume 20.000 kWh electricity, right? I mean, they look good, but what's the point? A heatpump does that with just, say 5000-6000 kWh. And if you only need some rooms a little warmer, say a bathroom, an infrared heating element would do that probably better cause you only turn it on when it's needed. So, what am i missing here?
I guess the heat storing properties could offset the usage, depending on tariffs and on-site production it could safe some money (not energy)
Interesting I think I'll wait and see, I hope it takes off.
It's an electric radiator that looks quirky and (for some) pleasantly different. It might release over a longer time than some other materials, especially compared to classic water-powered radiators, but there's no denying that whatever energy you put in, you get out. Saying things like: "it takes as much power as running the telly" for the layperson will be a wow-factor, but all it means is that it heats the space almost exactly as efficiently as their telly does... so just run your telly instead...
edit: the rest of the video - great stuff, I like the recycling aspect of the products and I think that is a great credit to them. Good work.
Water holds more heat than concrete.... So this thing is 😂
Some feedback: One thing I would like with features of "efficient" products, is highlighting WHY they are efficient. To summarise where that efficiency comes from compared to the current status quo for a given product's category.
"This thing is very efficient BECAUSE". I trust the Everything Electric/Fully Charged team. But without the, at the least simplistic, summary of reasoning, my brain just files it under "unsubstantiated claim" and poo-poo's the excitement for it a bit.
Even if I can guess at why it's efficient with the rest of the information in the video. Even later in this video its never highlighted specifically why. Electronics are encased so it can last longer, okay thats a longevity rather than efficiency thing. Concrete has a higher thermal mass, that's awesome, buy I still have to pay the Kw/h to put the thermal energy in there. Why is a 150w of this concrete type heater, better than a 150w usual electric heater, or oil heater, etc.
Thanks team
Yeah got to agree. Go with trust but verify. Love this team, and this video gets me excited, but without being able to know more about the how and why it works ust so well, this feels more like just a sponsored video compared to the more in depth ones I love.
Electric heaters are 100% efficient, no matter if they are concrete, regular ones, or whatever. The only thing that might have an impact is off-setting time of use (leaving them off at expensive times and counting on their thermal mass), but they're way too small to really have much of an impact imho.
Couldn't agree more
Yes I agree, you've hit the nail on the head. I felt the same about their piece on infrared heating too but just lately I've seen a few people who're using it in there homes and seem very happy with it. Though others say it doesn't provide sufficient heat. The thing with all the plug and play type heaters is that at least you can buy one to see how good it is as opposed to spending thousands on a heat pump, even with the grant, having a huge amount of upheaval only then to find it's been badly designed and is costing you a fortune. This 1kW in to get 4kW out was quite enticing but then I thought well that's great but you're using that kW to heat the water, which heats the radiator which heats the air which after a half hour or so will warm you. Seems like you have an infrared panel, switch it on and the first thing it warms is you. An ir panel or even one of these composite heaters can be timed to come on when you need it in just the same way so you can have it warm the room too. The only thing I'm not sure about is running costs, I'm hoping the smart thermostats will ease that. As you say though there is never any of these questions posed nor challenges raised which is a bit of a shame. I guess we can go away and make our own enquiries.
Yes. EES team, please clarify the "Super Efficient" in the video title... efficient compared to what?
I hope the team will consider an increased independent technical review of future episodes before they go out. There is plenty of marketing rubbish in this episode. Lots of it is already challenged in the comments, but it should have been challenged on screen or in the editing booth.
I was most bothered by the assumption that the recycled content meant that the product was "more carbon neutral" (which is a silly phrase) than wet radiators (the wrong basis for comparison). Is this nice looking electric radiator really lower embodied carbon than a low profile electric radiator? I don't know, but it shouldn't be assumed and repeated by presenters. The thermal mass is nice, but it will also slow the heat up time, whilst making zero difference to overall efficiency.
The nicest thing i can say about these is that they look pretty. The rest is marketing BS. Who on the EE team thought this product / company were worth highlighting? Presumably someone who believes a Watt of electric heating is more than a Watt if it's been greenwashed by The Everything Electric Show!
I was hoping the smart part would be off peak heating and slow release throughout the day...
Actually what I'd like to see are radiators that can heat up by running the heat pump on full for a few hours off peak, then release throughout the day
The refrigerant lines for that would be impractical, and the refrigerant itself can't hold any amount of energy to speak of. What I can imagine, though, is a thermal battery that is "charged" (heated) by a heat pump, and that couples to a more traditional air or hydronic heating system. Problem is heat pumps can't get very hot; a REALLY GOOD unit can get maybe 115F/46C. You're going to need a lot of mass to store usable energy at that temp.
A little over a year ago, this channel had a video "The Perfect Boiler Replacement? Tepeo's Zero Emission Boiler" that is a good example of what you're talking about, and it's a good idea, but it's of course not a heat pump.
Just use district heating with a central heat pump and a storage tank that can store a weeks worth of heat. It's not that hard.
Lovely things but 100w of electric heating is just that; 100w. Same for your grandma's old bar heater. There is no 'super efficiency', this is muddled up marketing. The recycling and looks are great but please keep the science right.
I was thinking the same thing, might heat the block up and store it / let it out slower. But 100w is 100w
And my smart TV consumes 100w not 600w
Hear Hear!!
Feels like an ad
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Even less. 55 inch uses about 80 watts
I have to say the commenters on this video are pretty intelligent. They don't fall victim to bs marketing.
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Such drollery!
150 watts on current electricity price (27p per kWh for direct debit account in the UK) works out at 4p per hour or 1p an hour if using a heat pump to produce the same amount. There’s a reason we don’t tend to use electric resistance heaters for home heating and it’s purely down to cost. Also if you have cheaper night time electricity wouldn’t storage heaters be a better option?
This episode prompts me to urge you to do much much more on heat pumps. This new radiator can only be 100% efficient. Heat pumps have an efficiency of 300% +, yet they hardly ever feature on your show. There are so many myths out there about heat pumps which put people off installing them, but they are a more important solution to combat climate change than electric cars. Please, please, please do more to bust the myths and be the champion of heat pumps!
Direct electric resistance heaters are ALWAYS 99+% efficient (with maybe a tiny loss for the little red 'on' light on the side, or fan motion if they're assisted). It's something to do with a little known concept called... erm... what was it...? The conservation of energy. A £30 electric resistive heater is EXACTLY THE SAME efficiency as a £300 one, and your rooms will require EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY per hour to heat.
Okay, they're 90% recycled, which is good, but they are no more super efficient than a coil of wire. 😂 And my smart TV (55in, 5 years old) uses less than 300W, NOT 600W. Can we fact-check the 🐂💩, please?
Darn, you got a pretty inefficient TV or a mildly efficient heater over there. Over 200W is a lot for a 5 year old TV, must be a big one.
In all seriousness, yeah what's up with their efficiency claims? Well, it's designed to be more of a radiator than a convector, so I guess it could be argued it is more efficient than a forced convector by being better at heating the objects and living beings in a room than the air within? By rhat measure a big 40W infrared LED would be even more efficient, mayhaps. Want even more efficiency by that metric? Try contact heated clothes.
It's 100% efficiency. Even the energy for the little red "on" light will eventually end up as heat.
@@chrisb9319 Still, I think the "super efficient" crap is about the ways of transmitting that heat having different comfort at a same heater power and otherwise ambient conditions.
Sorry but copper steel and aluminum are all recyclable and they usually are. Are we sure these are environmentally friendly because I don't see it from the presentation I don't understand the concrete advantage might give a bit of longer heat accumulation ...
Also.... barely anyone is making low grade radiator steel / aluminium / copper from virgin materials.
So just resistive heat with a dash of sustainability marketing then?
I'm not quite sure how a storage heater, even such a good looking one, is going to be "super-efficient"!
In fairness, it is 100% efficient! (Like every other resistive heater).
@@drunkenhobo8020 great comment and also the very reason why these "wonder" products are nothing but marketing... It's like Boris Johnson saying you can decrease energy use by buying a more expensive kettle... fail...
There's a problem in that Robert and the young lady presenter are not technicall
qualified
For them to present such tech is slightly silly if they're claiming such heaters are "super efficient".
This lack of technical expertise continues to lead Robert astray with reference to the use of batteries in private vehicles.
Despite evidence to the contrary Robert continues to pooh pooh the opinions expressed by some entities within the MSM.
Surely he can't expect to compete with the resources fielded by the DT for example?
It is risible when he, Quentin and Dan set themselves up as "mythbusters" and are going to tell the "truth" about battery technology.
Perhaps the saddest thing is they truly, truly believe they understand the "science".
Robert should brace himself in that one day the visitors to his events will start questioning why there's very little coverage on hydrogen powered vehicles, which are of course EVs in the strictest sense of the term.
@@t1n4444Hang on a second, Imogen, the "young lady presenter", has a masters degree in engineering from Oxford! She says in her own bio that she's worked in communications over recent years, but it's definitely incorrect to say that she isn't technically minded. Robert makes no apologies for his background, he's made numerous comments about it over the years.
It's clear that this episode has gone wrong and I'm sure the team here will spot this and adjust their production process. Most of the marketing rubbish has come from the company featured, but it should have been challenged and/or removed.
As for hydrogen, it gets almost no air time as it's almost irrelevant to the sectors the channel covers. It's not cost effective for cars or homes (and has fundamental barriers stopping it from becoming cost competitive). It might be relevant for a small proportion of heavy duty vehicles, but that's heavily contested in both directions, and a small element of their content. Covering hydrogen here would be a distraction for their target audience.
I'm happy to have a polite debate about this, but I didn't want to see any more points I considered false to sit unchallenged!
@@t1n4444 The "young lady presenter" has a 1st class Mechanical Engineering degree from Oxford! She was previously an aerodynamist for Jaguar. (Though it seems that her thermodynamics might be a bit rusty -- or that this video is edited in such a way that it appears so...)
The element would need to be replaceable if this was to be a device that would last for decades. If not, it's just an expensive but recyclable single use device. Serviceability must be a key feature. Although I really do like the idea and look.
What is innovative about resistive heating??
Indeed. Nice looking products, but I can't see how they're going to be "super-efficient".
Its a heating element in a cement case, yes its fire safe, it has a large thermal mass so there no hot spots. But 300 watts is 300 watts no mater how it's encased. At lest its not as bad as solar roadways.
Ooo! Storage radiators, I wonder why no one thought of them before 😂😂😂😂😂
well it is nice to see an old school "tecH" re-imagined and updated. this is the newer version of the Hearthstone.. putting a stone on the wood fired stove so when you stop feeding wood to the stove the stone continues to heat the house overnight without someone needed to watch/tend the fire . I have found 1 similar product and that is the Elith Marble stone IR heaters.
Would love to see more stories like this being it is the cold season.
Although I do like the look of it, it is what it is, a radiator that emits the amount of watts you put in. It cannot compete with a heat pump in any way.
That lady said a smart TV uses 600 watts of power?? My 5 year old 55 LED inch uses 92 watts.
I usually have a lot of respect for fully charged and everything electric, but this was disappointing. A resistive heater with extra steps will always just be a resistive heater, they aren't more efficient just more expensive
My first property had a night storage heater (40 years ago) this seems the same.
Precisely. See what I said above.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
I upgraded my radiators some 15 years ago from old standard electrical ones to radiators made of glass blocks. My consumption went down. I got a much more even temperature in the house, so I could keep a lower temperature. The air is not as dry in winter as it used to be.
The only negative was the price.
Unfortunately they are not produced anymore, probably because of the price.
Very skeptical of the claimed 50 year lifetime, especially after the nice lady added that the device can be controlled by an app!
Will that software still be supported in 50 years' time, then? Even if it is, the electronic hardware is unlikely to last so long, especially considering that it is subjected to wide variations in temperature. It's also embedded in concrete, so no chance of fixing it when it fails - the whole device will have to be thrown away. Or recycled - if you can figure out a way to recycle concrete with embedded e-waste.
The closing shot was walking and talking like Countryfile. Love the production values and the brilliant tech.
Since you have been, thank you for making the videos for Fully Charged.
This is the technology that is important - recycled waste to usable product with no burning incorporated. Thanks for the video!
Now they need to add wifi/bluetooth and make it smart by design and job's done ;)
It'll be interesting to see how these products develop. They're a great sump for off-peak grid or home generated electricity but I'd like to see a more controlled release - perhaps an air-jacketed design defeated by a fan or mechanical contact.
Keep videos on these products coming as thermal storage will be it for the next decade.
These look awesome - hope to offer these to our customers soon
Make sure and tell them it's a non repairable storage heater unlike the ones that have been getting removed from houses for decades to be replaced by central heating.
Well done!
I’m impressed by the guy smoothly walking backwards at the end 😂
Looks great
Is Robert testing us to see if we can detect all the greenwashing BS??
No.
I don't believe his own bullshit meter is sensitive enough.
Robert's forte lies in an entirely different direction.
Love it. I'd like 2-150s and 2-600s. Hope you wind up exporting to the US
Love your work
I wish I didn't have radiators. These look amazing!
Yet another smart solution! Sure makes me wish that, when I built our home, we could have afforded to put heating elements in our concrete floor. The entire house would have been sitting on such a "radiator."
Wow. If you are building a home and putting in the concrete floor then there is very little difference in price between radiators and underfloor heating. Infact if you are talking about underfloor electric heating mats you could add wires into the floor really easily without the need of a builder. They would likely cost a lot more to use than gas or heatpump water based underfloor heating.
Thanks
Realy nice solution. I am glad with the new everything electric show. This is a gap in the information market. When do we get an update about the Orkney isles?
Yes brilliant idea!
Very nice looking storage heaters. What would make this actually good would be if it talked to my smart meter and only turned on when the electricty was cheaper. Alas those tariffs don't exist as far as i can see. Eventually us flat dwellers will go down this route but we need to be able to trade on the electricity maket and they won't let us. Feed in tariffs for the solar panels in the suburbs but diddly squat for people who emmit far less by living in a shared building!
For flats, the unit in the middle with neighbours who are afraid of the cold already have storage heaters....😆😆
Intrigued! But according to my insurance agent, they won't pay for damage caused by flooding from pipes that have corroded within the concrete slabs of some homes. That has me wondering how long these will last. And electric heat = 1 to 1 efficiency, no?
pipes have water in them? you're comparing apples with oranges...
Stick a small one of those under my partner's desk for winter days like today and she would be fairly happy. Not sure how these would realistically stack up heating a normal house though.
Perhaps a side-by-side test with some "science" at some point would be good please?
hmm I see no mention of storage and slow release - so they’re just a heating element with concrete to give some passive heat soak? May be a little better than an oil filled radiator (maybe) if it can turn the heating off and let soaked in heat fill the gaps, but there isn’t enough info in this video to know
Love it. But please explain: “if” it is a resistive heater, how would it compare to say a heat pump heating a room of x cubic metres?
It would be dear to run, but maybe in some smaller rooms it could be nice. It looks better than a boxy electric radiator. Maybe under the desk instead of an IR pannel?
Need more details on this. If, so instance, it’s a case that the mass of the radiator heats up and then the electric supply is cut off until the blocks drop in temp them a 100w rating might run for 25% of the time ( for example) - eg 100w BUT using 25wH because of heat retention of the thermal mass ? Really though can’t make a judgement until we know more!
Don't even think that deep. 100w is 100w. 1000wh is 1000wh. Don't matter if you release it faster or slower.
We just love sand in our Material World!
Awesome
Great way to use recycled glass bottles and jars.
Resistive electric heaters are 100% efficient. They don't get less efficient with time. They might output less power over time as oxidative layers on the elements develop increasing the resistance which reduces the current for a given voltage, but the efficiency is always 100%.
Raises more questions than it answers.
Commenters below are basically right 100w of heat is 100w of heat. However I'm hopeful these are more effective (note effective not efficient). I live in a 70's style 3 bed detached two storey house in Scotland that had 5.9Kw of old brick storage heaters and they were terrible and cost a fortune to run. We replaced it with 2.6Kw of infra red panels and are now saving a fortune in comparison. Now before anyone jumps in with both feet anout efficiency most of the saving comes from having them attached to thermostats and a smart app. Each of the heaters is its own zone we can have the house at 20 degrees when in and awake and 13 degrees when at sleep or at work. The dining room drops from 20 degrees to 17 degrees about 20:00 as we dont use the room then. That is what i mean about effective over efficient. Only heat what you need when you need it.
The old storage heaters used to absorb and release the heat regardless of the time of day or temperature thereby wasting the energy. They also surrendered before kick off if there were draughts.
They say these panels use between 150w and 600w of power at attain a 60+ degree surface temperature which is great. However not how long it takes to get there or how it can be controlled. The website is thepouredproject dot com but the radiator part is password protected so you cant view it.
That’s impressive. Another great tool that the government can ignore and not promote or subsidise. But if it is rolled out, it’d be great for flats in particular. So simple and effective.
Very nice heater - but - When we want to maximize the value of the energy used for heating it makes MUCH more sense to get the multiplier effect of a heat pump. I do however like the fact that it uses a lot of recycled materials in it's construction, and appreciate that we can't use heat pumps everywhere.
I'm keen, we need a more instant heaters to compliment our solar/off peak storage ones. Where can we buy them please?
Currys is the place for you alright.
@@t1n4444 eh?
Most electronics would last substantially longer than we keep them for. How many times did you replace a TV or PC because it broke? Mostly because a newer, shinier product came out, or your PC got too slow because the OS kept getting bigger. However, the hoped for '50 year life' is just that, hoped for. No longevity testing done. Also, one would hope that the 'steel, aluminium and copper' used in conventional radiators would be recycled, though water filled rads would probably loose a bit to rust. Fail to see how these could cost less to run than any electrically powered radiator.
The sands of time no doubt. When do you think you can give more details in regards to price and availability.
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If you have to ask then you can't afford one.
This is a niche product (and yes the product is attractive) for those who desire to impress friends and neighbours with trendy looking kit.
Sadly the putative owners are seduced by terms such as super efficient and that it's implied connection to the IOT.
In other words "credulous and gullible people with more money than sense".
What on Earth would salesmen do without them?
@@t1n4444 Wow by asking how much they are which one thought was a reasonable question to ask , you then say if you have to ask such a question you can’t afford it , surely to try and heat any home more efficiently seems in your mind a dirty word , only having the old age pension as my income just trying to spend money more wisely just to keep warm , sorry for asking such a disgusting question, I wish you well on life path hoping you take the warm path not just from the heat prospective but also from the soul prospective, take care.
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You don't really get any of this do you.
Top Tip: Try not to take things too literally.
If you can't keep up then keep out of the comments.
Will save your blushes.
seems to me to be an un insulated storage heater. Is the title trying to link this with a sand battery? good idea for storing excess solar
Ok can someone tell me how this *isn't* just an old fashioned storage heater but built in a way you can't repair it if anything goes wrong?
Old storage heaters were made of bricks to hold the heat, a metal shell with holes to let the air circulate, a number of heating elements (varies by type/size) and a bimetallic strip overheat. Literally nothing to go wrong that can't be replaced with a couple of screws. This version the electronics are **in** the concrete mix so can never be serviced/replaced. The heating coil can never be replaced if it breaks.
This looks better though I'll give them that.
If the electronics are embedded in the concrete, how do you repair it if it goes wrong?
I fail to see any "electronics" inside it. What I imagine it's a simple nitinol wire/cable embedded in the concrete, similar to floor heating. If it's calculated correctly the nitinol will heat up the concrete's surface to ~60°C, no electronics required. I could build one myself, not a difficult task.
Love the recycleability! Although with their reliability in the rest of what they say, I'm not sure how much I trust them on that aspect without a bit more investigation.
Ok, like others have said, resistive heat, 100% yadda yadda yadda, not as good as heat pump. But I live in Canada, where even the best air source heat pumps won't get you through the winter without some help.
So I don't care, I still think it's fantastic. We had daycare my wife ran out of the back room extension, that depended on baseboard electric heaters, too hot, we couldn't use them or the little tykes would burn themselves. Place was always freezing, and fire hazard as well.
So yes, lots of cheap dangerous resistive heaters around. Time for something different. Perhaps not so ugly, hey, that's what this is!
Hope this lovely couple scales there price down and we all get one in few years.
if my numbers finally came up, i would build a house with the kind of radiators that you can walk on. IMHO that's the best way of heating, second to none.
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Why not simply move to a warmer climate?
@@t1n4444or pray for accelerated global warming?
is it a storage heater
As others have pointed out; ALL electric heaters are 99%+ efficient, these are no different. If you need 2kW to heat a room, you can use a £30 electric radiator or 3.3 of these (the large model). There is no difference in running costs, but the capital costs will be (far?) greater. I think the product looks quite nice but with steel, aluminium and copper being recyclable, I'm not sure I see the benefit. The oil/gel filled radiators also retain their heat but, I've never been sure of the benefit of this as they also take longer to heat up so you are just putting a delay into the timing of the heating cycle.
Find a bloody great rock that has an interesting shape, drill a few holes in it, and poke a ceramic element in each hole.
100% recyclable, when you finished using it as a heater, chuck it back where you found it and it will carry on being a rock for thousands of years.
Are resistant heaters in the UK still allowed??? Why?
Because many people don't understand the difference.... including some presenters it seems...
The only possible use case I can see for this is time delay of the heating... E.g you use the heater at your off peak electricity times say 4am-5.30am and it releases the heat slowly so that the room is nice and warm at 7.30am. That could be useful but there is no information on its ability to retain heat after being turned off. So these are just nice looking, expensive electric radiators, with low heat output. Fine if that is what you need, but not very useful for most people.
This is just basically the same tech we've been using as electric heaters in homes for decades now, and that people keep complaining are too expensive to run, because a gas furnace is just that much more affordable. It's a shame to see you guys running what amounts to a 7 minute greenwashing ad for a small start up making luxury products.
When recording the audio was the microphone buried in a bucket of sand?
I hope they ship via canal boat , I will wait
600 watt smart TV comparison?? What size of TV is that!
I wonder if you can fill an old radiator with sand and heat it to keep a room warm? add a small current to heat it up? Just an idea in my head, hopefully somebody with better know how can make it.
It's a storage heater that releases energy a bit quicker as its core isn't as dense, it's no new invention,! companies have been making composite radiators for years. Also they will be no more efficient than any other electric radiator. Yes they look cool.
No mention of the weight of these 'radiators', guessing by the wooden stands they need something solid to sit on. Think I'll stick to metal...or recycled metal radiators.
Also was that really 60+°C, why so high!
Bl**dy 'ell Ideal World used to flog things like this ad nauseam. We used to have storage rads in the ' 60s in our house. Weghed a ton.
Sometimes u give me hope for the future
I wonder how much energy it would take to fill that bath with hot water and keep it hot with the concrete bleeding it away?
Great invention
I am reluctant to be negative, but have to point out how heavy these things will be. The transport costs will be huge.
It’s already been said that 100 watts is 100 watts, but what also concerns me is that the electronics are not accessible. How has it been tested to last 50 years without breakdown? It hasn’t. Also, if the electronics are embedded and you are using an app, what happens when the electronics become obsolete and don’t work with an app anymore?
Maybe heat them up off peak then have them slowly heat the room.
Nice idea, but no more efficient than a cheapo heater of the same capacity from Argos. If it's a storage heater so it heats up overnight on Economy 7, then say so, but there's no evidence of this, nor does it have any possibility of turning the heating on or off so it will be extremely slow (hours!) to regulate. Replacing central heating radiators with these would send your electricity bills through the roof. There are also factual errors - electric elements corroding or dusting up has no effect - 1kW of heating is 1kW of heating. I'm surprised Imogen's been taken in by this for a start as it simply has no science behind it whatsoever. Sorry!
Extreme dusting up will trap the 1kw of heat in the dust instead of heating the air. Just like fully enclosing a heater will trap the heat. You want the 1kw of heat dispersed evenly in the room, not shooting up to the ceiling too much and preventing cold air flows by placing them below cold windows. I'm not seeing anything special in this regard for the heaters in this video though.
@@drfisheye It will prevent good circulation, yes, and make the element much too hot, but ultimately 1kW of energy in is 1kW of energy into the room, so the efficiency is unchanged.
@@richardgledhill depends on the measure of efficiency. The people in the room don't want to be cold. If the heater is mainly heating up other elements rather than the people in the room, they will increase the thermostat. Likewise a heater with a small surface getting very hot, will shoot hot air to the ceiling of the room leaving the people below cold. Hence they'll increase the thermostat. So the efficiency of heating people isn't necessarily equal to the efficiency of the heater in isolation.
Most radiators are made of steel, which is already recyclable, so I don't see the advantage here?
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These are NOT 'super efficient'. They are 100% efficient just like any other resistive heater. There isn't even sufficient mass to rely on thermal time of day off-setting.
Resistive heating is a terrible idea for heating spaces. I love Fully Charged, but this sort of misinformation will do nothing but confuse the average viewer.
Hey team, please up the accuracy of your videos in order to keep your position as a fairly solid source of information in a changing world.
600w smart tv?
Regardless of how its made, a room of a certain size will always take the same amount of energy to heat up, this radiator cannot be more efficient than any other electric heater. The only advantage could be the latent heat in the material.
Also - TVs do not consume 600W!!
That Shakespeare bloke had a turn of phrase for all sorts ...
"A storage radiator, by any other name, would still produce heat ... "
😂😂😂 Come on Robert, its an old, old idea in an admittedly attractive package.
It might well be tricked up with all sorts "control tech" but it's still just a storage heater ... without a case.
All dressed up and no place to glow?
"Low wattage" has me quite confused. The heat loss in a house (and each individual room in it) is fixed, whatever it is. If you want to warm a room, you need to provide more energy into it than escapes it, with the extra caveat that the rate energy escapes is proportional to the difference in temperature.
600 watts is on the low end of the small portable heaters you'd use to keep the underside of your desk warm. 150 watts is so low it's basically useless, comparable to the amount of heat a typical desktop computer might generate. I do not see the use case for that, especially for what I can only assume is a premium price. Maybe you can use it seat cushion to keep your bum warm.
My 65" TV doesn't use anywhere near 600w
Just like old economy 7 night storage heater heating up bricks.