Milling a Bowl blank on the Bandsaw: woodturning with Sam Angelo
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- In response to a question, Sam demonstrates the operation of a cross-cut sled for milling a small log into a bowl blank. After the Russian olive blank is cut to length he splits the log on the bandsaw by standing it on end.
Thanks Jodi for asking an important question.....
Mr Angelo I have to say that I you are one of my heroes. Not many people would go back to doing what they were if they had the same accident, let alone continue posting videos. Not only are you still doing what you love, but you are also sharing ways to safely go about doing it! Kudos to you, sir. Still a fan and always will be!
Justin
Thanks for those kind words. Bottom line. When I had my accident I always meant to continue. So I had really no choice. Not much heroic in that. I am just one stubborn SOB.....But thanks Sam
Excellent video! It is very helpful as I am trying to learn how to make bowls! Thank you so much!
Thanks Sam! This may be two years old, but it helped me understand how to do this safely. A while back I broke a blade doing it the wrong way, and you have restored my confidence that I can do it safely!!! I am off to build that jig!!
Wes, confidence is so important. If you are un sure or not confident, time to back off and re think what you are doing. But there is always a way to approach a cut or procedure safely. Thanks Sam
Great topic, Sam, and great information. I cut my small blanks the same way. Instead of a nail which requires a hammer, I use a small short awl kept near my round templates to hold a template on the blank while cutting.
Yep, that is what I usually do as well (Use an awl) this small piece was not a good example for that aspect of cutting it round.
Thanks Sam
Thank you for sharing this video. It is nice to see how to prepare a blank in a safe way. Often we don't think about the work that needs to be done before turning can start, so it is nice to see a video showing how to do this safely.
I like the simplicity of your jig. I find in my shop that the more difficult the jig is to set up the less likely I am to use it and I have the wrecked bandsaw blades to prove it. Thanks for the tip.
Thank you Sam. And hearty congratulations to your Wife on her retirement and to your Mother in Law Irene on her 96th birthday
Love the crosscut sled; I’m going to make one of those. Thank you.
The sled is a good idea. I applaud you for dissuading people from cutting logs free hand on the bandsaw. I had a bad scare doing that once. It wrecked the blade and scared me badly.
Thanks for all the info. The safety aspect of the video was very good, learned a few things, which is a good thing. I like the way you used the sled and the top of the bandsaw table. Again, great video full of good useful information.
Great explanation Sam. All the best, Jim
Great video ! Thank you for sharing, Sam !
Some more great advice, and well explained and shown Sam.
Cheers
Mike
Thank you very much Mike. Summer is approaching and you're Wood turning symposium is just around the bend. Good luck with that. Sam
Wish I had done the sensible thing and made the sled before I had a piece of hawthorn roll straight into the blade yesterday - was lucky to get away with a bruise and a trashed blade! Thank you!
Sam, I enjoyed your very informative video. Thanks for sharing your technique.
Thanks again
Sam
I was cutting an Olive log on end, as you showed, and it seized my blade. I was unable to recover the blade without cutting it. I have done many other logs this way with on problem. I'm a big fan Sam, thanks for sharing.
Yes the problem you describe can happen. I think the secret is getting hey Blade with the fewest number of teeth per inch. I always go for a three TPI blade thanks Sam
Thanks for highlighting some aspects of my prep that I must improve for safety's sake.
Thank you so much. I have got a new bandsaw mainly for preparing wood for bowls blanks. I've seen some of these techniques on other videos but not explained as well.
Thanks again and for all your teaching videos.
Thanks Sam. I just bought my first band saw and your explanations were very help. I see building a couple of jigs in my future for this weekend. :-) Very much appreciated. Russell
Thanks Sam, very enlightening. It occurred to me while you were using the sled that if the trailing edge curved log rests were able to slide you could more securely contain the log. I may be wrong though, you're vastly more experienced than I.
as always very nice clear demonstration, thank you for sharing!
Just the tips I needed being relatively new to bandsaw use. Thanks
I believe that Robo hippie Reed Grey follows the exact same procedure when preparing a bowl blank very informative thank you
Thanks I wanted to hear that. I was not sure if others did this.
Sam
Very informative video, Sam. I take the log standing upright, the same as you did with the bandsaw, and clamp it to a sawhorse with a 2X6 top. Use large clamps with a good reach. This holds the log very well and allows the use of a chainsaw. It works so well that I do this even with larger log sections. Once the section is cut nearly all the way I turn it around (top to bottom) then finish the cut using the saw pulling upwards rather that the downwards cut I used to start with.
Regards
Brian
PS: I guess now you will have a supervisor. LOL
Thank you for the tip I will have to look into that. I have a pretty good holding device for my chainsaw that I will show in my next video on milling some wood. Yeah you're right I probably will have a little bit of extra supervision. All I have to do is offer to have her sweep my shop and she runs away screaming ha ha thanks for watching Sam
You asked us to comment on how we do this. Exactly like you did. Except that I have a Circle cutting jig for my band saw and it is handy and easy to use. So I get a rounder blank that you did in this example. I don't think it makes a good deal of difference after its mounted, but it works for me. Good job..
Yep, this little bowl was really too small to make a good example when I got to cutting it round. Thanks Sam
Thanks for sharing Sam. Happy retirement to the wife :)
Nearly flawless overdub at 1:26 :D Really great info Sam! Cheers, Chris.
Old Lord I forgot I have done that. I sent bandsaw instead of chainsaw or something like that. Oh well thanks a lot for watching Sam
Great clinic. I'm starting to examine those yard debris piles in my neighborhood for turning stock.
I was loading up some pieces of a tree someone had dumped on the side of the road, and had a cop roll up on me that thought I was dumping them!
Fortunately it made sense to him that the fact that I was cutting bigger chunks into smaller chunks with a chainsaw was a good indicator that I wasn't dumping and running. :)
Congratulations to both the ladies in your life!
Thanks
Sam
I actually split my log blanks with a hatchet or ax and a hammer. Then run the split face over my jointer a few times to true it up. Great Video!
Jonathan
I keep telling people this is a good option especially for those that don't have a bandsaw or chainsaw nothing wrong with that old school approach. Thanks Sam
Thank you that’s just what I wanted to learn, I gave it a 👍
I was given a similar log (tree limb) recently and could have used your cross cut sled. Instead I used my miter gage. It worked but I was nervous (rightfully so). Also I used the wrong technique for halving the bowl blank. I still have one piece left and will do it right this time. Thanks for the education. Thank you for sharing. And BTW I missed you at AAW in Raleigh this year. I WILL see you at SWAT.
Glen Nice to see you in Waco Sam
Sound advice, Sam
Thanks
James
Hi Sam. Your procedure is much like mine. Except in my case, I was never clever enough to corral all the circles in one place. . . with a clamp. Duh. I do have a pretty effective solution to chain sawing larger logs. I have a sawbuck that's designed to rip cut logs. there is a slot at the bottom for the chain and bar to slide thru when you are thru the log. Works great, although not so great for a stressed log like your little one (with off center pith). Thanks!
Thanks
Sam
thanks for the video. well explained
Here is a new playlist of bandsaw videos: I am working on one showing how the wooden add-on table was made.
czcams.com/play/PLL5-IWEcq6B_CESb-922RObnw97N6_DED.html
Thank you
To round out a bowl blank, drive a nail through a board, drill a tiny shallow hole in the flat face of the blank the same size as the nail. clamp the board to the bandsaw table so the point of the nail sticks up at a distance from the band that equals the radius you want. Set the blank on the nail and spin it against the blade. Perfectly round blank every time.
LawrenceYou have describe this process perfectly, for cutting a circle. I have circle cutting jigs for doing woodworking projects which is what you're describing. I don't disagree with what you are saying and while it is nice to have a perfectly round bowl blank, I don't find it totally necessary. Your process may be better in the long run. I would just rather use a paper circle template and cut it as round as I can. I just think this is faster even though the bowl blank will not be perfectly round. sam
gracias por todos los consejos jorge de argentina
Gracias Jorge
Sam
Sam, I would have thought that a tapered bit of wood would have been better than the dowling you used to jam the log in the sled. Round against round, does not give as much surface area to grip as flat to round does. Great video by the way, keep them coming.
I do agree. Maybe even an angled wedge or something. Thanks
Sam
I agree. I went back and posted a note on the video.
Sam
nice job I cut my with circle cutting jig also use a strap to hold it in cross cut jig.
I've used "F" clamps to cut round stock on a bandsaw. Back side down, 1 either side of the blade. Clamps facing up & clamped onto the log. The back, flat side of the clamps act as the slide with no chance of the log rotating. Seems to work for me
Good tip
thanks
Sam
Good luck Sam
When making blanks, is it pretty common to make the length close to the same as your diameter regardless of size of log (extra allowance in length being an option as you did on this one)?
I will deal more with this issue in my Notes from the
Turning Shop video published on February 20.
But yes it is common and a good approach. Sam
Is that a tree branch or a center log piece?. Is a miter saw able to do that on 5 inches diameter for the crosscut?
It is a branch. I think a miter saw would work if large enough and if the limb is fairly straight. Sam
On the first cut, the weight of the log is unsupported because it is hanging off the sled. Does this cause issues with pinching the blade?
Great video , love your channel, but has anyone ever asked if you do the voice of Manny in the ice age movies , lol
Yes, only ten millions times..... Ray (Sam) haha
Hi Sam, How do you find the center on each side? It seems like the compass didn't make much of a mark on the bark side. And how are you going to mount it. With a screw chuck or face plate? Gene
Yes, the commas did not make much of a mark. At 15:50 I place a wooden circle on top of the larger half of the log with the bark side up. I use chalk to mark the bark. This is more accurate than using the compass. Really finding the center is not all that critical as you are turning it round on the lathe. An approximate center mark is close enough. Sam
I did not cover mounting this on a screw or faceplate. It was not the focus of the video. If you search my channel you will find videos on mounting which include screw chucks and faceplates. Sam
Nice suspenders. Where do you get ones that hold solid on your Levis?
Thanks for this video.
Donald
These suspenders just have a clip-but it holds good. Sam
Sorry I hadn't seen your fingers. How did you do that?
Great video!! any chance of a video regarding your bandsaw table that you use the milling and other jigs on?
Here are some other videos I have on the bandsaw.
Sam
bandsaw table upgrade
czcams.com/video/nClMa13TUUw/video.html
bandsaw drift
czcams.com/video/ZYb57CB74B4/video.html
Bandsawing a bowl blank:
czcams.com/video/6JoUBeKIsTk/video.html
Awesome! I skimmed through your videos and must have missed them. THANKS!!
I bought a used Craftsman bandsaw and I need to know what size and type of blade I need for cutting bowl blanks.
I use a 3/8" blade. It will cut a sharper radius and is good for most other cuts. Here is a good blade and is good when cutting wet wood. www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodturners-bandsawblade.aspx Sam
Great explanation of milling a log into some bowl blanks. Ive gotten more creative & safer in my process of creating bowl blanks. I like the sled idea, but id need a much larger BS table. 🤷♂️
On log that small do you see a problem using a chop saw to cross cut it?
I have just never done that. I might do it if it were very straight and less than 4 inches. Sam
Wish I had watched this before slicing off my fingertip without your "safety" sled.
Sorry to hear about your accident..... Sam
Wont the pith come away when you gouge out the bowl?
Yes that is another way to do it.... Sam
Run it across the jointer a few passes to make a flat on the bottom of the log. You're going to turn that much off anyway.
How would you cut that log if the camera was not on ?
Sam (great name by the way) I would do everything the same but I would have found a piece of wood to replace the round one I used for a spacer. Something more squarish......and maybe a bit larger. This is really the way I do it. Sam (another great name)
can you show how you made the table fore the band saw
Yes I am thinking about doing a video on that. Someone else asked also.
Sam
Thanks Sam! Good demonstration! One question ...... is this a dress rehearsal ? LOL!
Take care, Dave
Actually I've done this a couple times before making a video of a demonstration I would do in the club meeting. This actually started from a comment from one of my viewers on CZcams. The guy sent me a link to a video he had done. I won't be too specific here and I will talk about it a bit when I do my little demo. It was a little scary to watch so in response I made this video and partly Jodi had asked the question in our last meeting about cutting a bowl blank. And whether you should use a chainsaw or a bandsaw.
I actually do this often when I am going to demonstrate some place I'll go to the demonstration several times before I actually do it. I greatly appreciate you watching my videos it means a lot. And I don't really know if other club members take the time to watch them, oh well. As they say you're not an expert unless sure 500 miles from home ha ha see you on SaturdaySam
No ripping jig or circle jig?
RYAL
Ripping jig, circle jig. I need some context for this question. What jigs are you referring to and when should I be using them?
Sam
Getting the chainsaw hold my beer 🍺 lol safety 1st
01:26 "now i turn it over to my bestest buddy in the whole wide world MR BLACK."~Krusty the clow