Why was it okay when KONAMI did it? | OG Silent Hill 2 (2001) Combat Trailer.
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2024
- A strange thing I noticed surrounding the recent "Combat Trailer" released for Bloober Teams Silent Hill 2 (2024) was the complaints of too much action. So I went back in time and clipped down a few separate clips KONAMI officially used for promotion of Silent Hill 2 back in 2000 / 2001 showcasing an incredible amount of combat and scenarios that mirror what we got to see recently quite closely.
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Simply because the game was made in 2001, the trailer looks good to most of the people at that time
nah this trailer was bad but in 2001 was more easy to get impacted, now is harder to impact people.
the combat system in remake is better
Dang this trailer even shows the pyramid head eating ass scene, nice. I'm still gonna buy a ps5 when it releases, i have hopes. They promised to take us there again someday
Some notable differences
1: Audience. Back In 2001 Silent Hill didn't have the following it has now. There was literally one other game.
2. Game play was still king in 2001. You found less games hyping up story. You had to be MGS or FF. They wanted to show game play that would engage and frighten the player.
3. The difference between being a sequel that was new vs a remake of a beloved favorite. Most people want to see how the story is being updated. Game play has never been SH's Strength. Focusing on game play was bound to disappoint long time fans.
4. An appropriately skeptical fan base. Most Sh fans on average only like 3 or 4 games total. They're left with more disappointment than anything Most of the time. Just look at Ascension.
It really just comes down to a difference in time. A lot has changed since 2001. With both SH and gaming in general. It's a 23 year difference. Expectations are different.
bro idc
Care enough to reply 🤷♂️. Not hard to understand that audiences are different and the same people reacting to the new trailer are older or more likely never saw the the old trailers. A 23 year difference.
23 years
Most people reacting negatively probably haven't even the fortune of playing classic 2 and are basing their knowledge of the series on the countless lore deep dive videos on CZcams. You expect people to react the same way they would have in 2001? Like I said there were only two games. We now have 11 games counting Short Message and Ascension, most of these of middling quality. 3 more games in development. 2 movies with a third on the way. Comics, pachinko machines, a light gun shooter. The cancelation of Silent Hills and the removal of PT, not to mention tons of other games canceled over the years. Are you really surprised the reaction to a rather janky and unpolished combat reveale trailer isn't pleasing anyone? The fans are right to be skeptical
Thank YOU, In 2001 it was always all about the Gameplay, it was the first thing in many trailers, unlike today.
Dude, they were literally competing with Resident Evil, THE action horror title at the time.
If they wanted to even get a shred of recognition, they had to give into the action, even at the cost of misrepresenting the real thing.
The age old consensus has always been that SH is survival horror, and RE is action horror. Make of that what you will, but I think that distinction is what allowed the games to coexist. I think we're nearing another period where this discussion will be brought up, and I hope the combat trailer is merely just exaggerating in order to compete with the RE remakes.
"Look at how clear the screen is bloober don't know what they're doing" 🤓
"AND I JUST STARTED BLASTIN'!"
This og trailer is still better lol
@@LosMSR He said the trailer. The game could still turn out good. Learn to read.
I try to be reductive, first of all that trailer shows many clips regarding the secondary characters, I don't just show James giving a couple of blows to some monsters that are poorly animated together with James. and secondly I think that even at the time it wasn't good if Konami made a combat trailer exclusively focused on that.
I really like the words scrolling across the screen.
Did you take my audio for this? Lmao.
I have no idea it was the first search that came up and was the shortest length and easiest to grab, if it is yours please reply and I'll tag you in the description!
Your channel video says the music is by Akira yamaoka but it sounds different. Did you remake the song?
Yeah I'm not sure what it is if it's a cover? It sounds great
Funny how people say that SH has "irrelevant" combat and it is not the focus of the game, but in reality you can blast through all the game killing every monster in your way because the game just gives you A TON of ammunition lol some of those fake fans that just repeat shit that others say have never played a SH game in their life.
looks like you didnt play it , you keep the ammo for boss fights and use melee only
@@labelnine you dont have to lol the game gives you around 100 bullets and more for just the gun when you get to the first Pyramid Head fight in normal, the difficulty everyone plays, that is more than enough ammo to clean the entire apartment section. Looks like someone didn't play SH2 and is trying to act smart.
@@jonissues1914I'm playing it right now and can confirm this. I'm in the prison and have almost 100 handgun ammo, more than 100 of shotgun shells and like 30-40 rifle ammunition.
Damn what version of theme of Laura is this?
Konami made the new one too.... Blooper team has no rights to make trailers or any promotional matter to sh2 remake
yeah like, games have been doing this forEVER like ever since I can remember, so why people would think it's out of place is just silly
because this looks nightmarish and fantastic?
I was looking for this!
It's not about the combat per se, but about the psychological impact behind it. You can tell its very different between the two games.
No you can't. Because you haven't played it yet.
@@kerank4157 I am talking about the trailer obviously....
@@nickst2797 the trailer was focused on combat. Called "combat trailer", why would you expect to see any psychological impact there?
@@kerank4157 Because the game is psychological horror. Not psychological horror on non combat gameplay.
@@nickst2797 well done missing the entire point of the video. The game was never about combat but 20 years ago look at all the combat they showed....
Yeah the iconic silent hill QTE prompt just how I remembered itt.
Konami did the new one too and Bloober are the ones who aren't happy about it in the first place
Until Bloober said they didn't edit the trailer, they were the ones catching flak.
@@kerank4157 which makes no sense because they're not exactly a marketing company
Lol dude why are you so angry? Why so much agye for a classic, this trailer was made before you were born,not even meant to be a combat game
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
what's the song?
Darude Sandstorm
Akira Yamaoka - Theme of Laura (Silent Hill's 2 Theme Song)
specifically its a version of Theme of Laura from @StudioMod if you search "studiomod silent hill 2" you'll find it
dont mess with silent hill fans, only 10% of them have played any of the games and the rest think themselves authorities on the matter from watching video essays
😂😂😂
haha
then watch ARCHIVAL HORROR's 40 min critique of the trailer compared side by side with the original game then you'll maybe understand better where's the issue. and he isn't talking about the combat trailer at all, because the issue is with the main story being absolutely butchered. it's a reboot not a remake.
See, that's the real comment, this is legit, this is the truth, they are toxic AF.
Big facts
I mean peoples perception of the game is gonna change over the two decades it’s been out. These days the game isn’t at all known for its combat so there shouldn’t even be a “combat” trailer to begin with. And konamis responsible for both trailers anyway
True, although they did it to highlight one of the biggest changes in the remake, which is the combat
@@diogopereira1475 and until Bloober said they didn't edit the trailer. They were the ones getting flak. But now we know it's konami, it's okay because "they did it before". People don't even know why they're annoyed 😅
Most likely because they focused on reinforcing atmosphere, and made 0 attempts at advertising (even in the combat trailer) that it's an action game. No QTEs, no dramatic music, just letting the soul of SH2's rock flourish through.
Game with an identity vs. modern action game trailer
Funniest thing is that you can do a pop or pop-sounding, or epic music while not betraying the identity of the game. I saw FromSoftware/Bandai do it time and time again. A lot of their trailers use pop songs or something close to them, like Kindomfall, or Colors of Grey, I believe it was called (the song for DaS3 multi-player maps reveal). And each was an amazing trailer with a lot of custom camera angles as well as pure gameplay. And FromSoftware games are the closest nowadays in terms of level of atmosphere and mystic to Silent Hill despite the genre gap.
So you can do this Hollywood trailer. You just need to know how to do it, or have material for that. Something tells me there's nothing to show 4 year's after the start of the development, it's still midway beta, if not late alpha.
The music in the trailer is actual Akira Yamaoka music. Yes, it might be cut wrong so it sounds somehow "heroic", but I doubt that is in any way indicative of how it is in the game. As the developers have said themselves, they didn't have anything to do with assembling the trailer, it was Konami.
QTEs by themselves don't mean sh*t. Combat heavy games can be scary as shown by From Software. James in the original game was actually driven to face his demons or he wouldn't have gone form his own free will into this town on a borderline suicidal quest. His resolve to confront what was in Silent Hill was part of the thing to fear in the game. He was not there entirely to avoid combat, but the combat was meant to be fisceral and disturbing, not in a way to be simply understood as enjoyable or heroic to the player. Let's face it, we don't have real basis to evaluate this based on the trailer. And no, them explaining the combat mechanics beyond small teasers would have been bad, so I wouldn't count it as a negative either that they went with teasing clips.
This was a pretty good trailer that made me more hopeful for the game, but the "fan" reaction has made me cautious that the supposed "fans" might actually drive this game to the ground with their misguided criticisms that could send Konami to panic-mode, micromanaging creative decisions to follow every whim. The "fans" could actually be the true coffin nail of this game and any possible following attempt at something in the series.
@@udopadrik9971 k
This trailer is still way more ominous than the RE "action" trailer we got. The use of stilted camera angles, and creatures just out of view especially increase the sense of unease.
Because it had proper Silent Hill combat with fixed camera angles that added tension to combat encounters, and there was actual weight to the guns and melee weapons. The Silent Hill 2 Remake combat trailer has over the shoulder Resident Evil-looking combat with weak feeling weapons.
This was also long before Konami turned into Japanese EA with their greed, and still made good games.
Silent hill 2 fan learns the game didn't have fixed camera angles.....
And weight to the guns in OG silent hill 2? You can finish the game with 300+ bullets. There's no weight to them because you don't need to use them 😂
Silent hill games weren't fixed camera
I swear these fans just find anything to bitch about no matter what you give them.
Facts
Lol OK dunce are you being picky specific? OK so the camera rotated, it was still fixed angles
There's a world of difference between these beta trailers and the "We want RE4 remake / Homecoming audiences!" video Bloopoopers pushed out. I was actually expecting to see the pre-release trailer with some proper action, not some odd fan edit with mostly walking and standing around.
MANY things in the demake's trailers and pics understandably annoy the hell out of people. No SH fan ever asked for that crap, and contrary to the AAA shill's narrative of "nobody wants tank controls and odd camera angles lol! :^)", a fuckton of people WERE actually shocked that this cashgrab demake is again repeating that once tested, failed and hated "over-shoulder shooter" style Kocknami tried back in 2006-2012.
With QTEs and jelly screens to boot! Oh, and RTX4080 needed for 30fps at 1080p?!
The whole matter of "subtlety" does not only cover the story or themes, and how hard they're being hammered home, but also the general game-design and presentation.
There's this weirdly schizophrenic double-standard trend going on with modern big-budget games; One half is trying to push the minimalistic / no HUD for maximum immersion, while many instead seem to be pushing MORE on-screen clutter on horror games!
All this, while games like the Dark Souls and Elden Ring prove that challenging, "figure things yourself" games do still sell very well... yet modern "survival horror" games are just getting more and more handholdy and forgiving!
You can see how the actual combat mechanics are NOT the focus, it's tangential to seeing how powerless your character is.
The new trailer feels like it's a cod melee compilation "dunking" on the monsters, so unappealing
What would you want them to focus on in a "combat trailer"?
@@longwilliamjohnson It's not what they showed, it's how it was presented.
Both trailers use combat, one use it somewhat effectively to showcase the themes and fear of encounters; the other used it to try to make the mechanic look cool. Silent Hill is not about looking cool while bashing abstract representations of human insecurities and fear LMFAO.
you really seem to lack basic reading comprehension pal.
bro I can read just fine. I asked you a question.
but here's an easy one for you. don't buy it, don't play it. don't even waste your time on it if its a COD clone to you 💀💀
also, YOU might want to read more. this video isn't a real trailer.
@@longwilliamjohnson I know this isn't a real trailer, the second comment is about that.
I'm actually talking about the real deal, that's where I came from to this video, the E3 reveal trailer which also uses combat.
I'm just pointing out the absolute garbage arguments around here, lil fellas like to be contrarian about a trailer that looks awful and misses the point of the source material.
Argumentative skills as good as your reading palio.
Ikr, mate? That long sequence of James sneaking away from PH is a dead giveaway
Beware of the so called "True" Silent Hill "Fans".
The title is kinda silly since Konami made the trailer for the remake as well
The whole things is supposed to be silly. Don't take it too seriously bro 👍
Because it looks better than Bloober Team's game in every way.
Just go emulated the OG Silent Hill 2, nothing gonna beat that anyway (especially not a remake from a Western studio LMAO)
Or just play the fanmade enhanced edition on PC if emulating is too hard for you (lol)
It's a honestly one of the best ways to experience it, but there's always the emulated version if you want the 99% original experience.
Bandwagon is really stupid.
An incredible amount of combat, if you count walking around and looking at monsters with a plank and a handgun in your hand. The actual combat clips here featured just some shots in the end. Why didn't you include for example, the overhead swing at the lying figure from the ORIGINAL TRAILER which would've helped back up this video's argument tremendously?
The complaints aren't so much about too much action, but about the fact that they decided to make the big gameplay reveal purely combat-focused.
The trailer you've made is - like you say - a montage of combat encounters from a bigger presentation back in the day. Konami didn't open the Silent Hill 2 presentation with 'look at all the shootings'
But isn't the complain of people for start with, that Bloober CAN'T do action, only walk simulators, LOL.
@@LosMSR Haven't heard those but maybe you have a point and they wanted to showcase what they can do
2 differences.
1. We didn't knew better back then.
2. People still had trust in Konami
I think you may have misunderstood what people are complaining about. Having read some of the comments myself and agreeing with many of them, I believe the problem people have is not that there's "too much" action and more so its execution: Bloober's trailer presents the combat in a way that has more in common with games like Resident Evil than Silent Hill. People are understandably upset and worried because Silent Hill 2's combat played such a major role in its atmosphere, and the trailer suggests it's being redesigned with none of the source material in mind.
It's not Bloobers trailer. It was announced konami edited it.
None of the source material? Lol there's even call backs to silent hill 1 that people didn't notice because they're too busy complaining.
You wrote this whole paragraph and didn't even know who edited the latest trailer yet complained about it....
I think you misunderstood who made the new trailer. I think you misunderstood the fact Bloober have been good with the source material. There isn't much point refuting your comment as you wrote it all and didn't even realise it's Konami that made the new trailer too?
If you'd read the other comments too someone else mentions sh2 being fixed camera. The series has never been fixed camera either.
Terribly sorry that my original intent didn't come across clearly enough. Who made the trailer means very little to me because it's completely irrelevant to my original intent - and yes, I did know Konami were the ones who made it. I referred to it as "Bloober's" so that it might not be confused with the one in your video. Regardless, I'm only trying to explain that the reason people are upset isn't the quantity of combat - it's because it's been presented in a way they don't like.
Edit: that being said, I also did not write this with the intent of starting an argument - only so that some light may be shed on why this complaint is so common.
I also like how a little later in this trailer TS (?) is using an in-game camera in order to create a chilling scene. It's the one after trailer-exlusive PH×Bubblehead Nurse cinematic.
They continue doing it here in order to portray some tough situations the player might find themselves in, to create a tension with that long PH encounter when James sneaks behind him and so on.
It also has this brilliant editing with sometimes showing things, even the shots we have seen earlier in the trailer, in black and white, that message about the letter sparsed throughout the whole video. And the trailer is dynamic when it needs to be, while slowing down when something needs to be shown in greater details.
It's an amazing trailer that shows everything: the prison scene, the holes, the main big bad, the combat, the atmosphere..... Plainly said, it's a good trailer and not the poorly animated buggy mess we've been shown with Bloober and Konami.
@@LoreDanka87 да, all very well said. I do expect trailers focused on the other aspects of the remake to release in the future, but all surrounding news for the game thus far has made me progressively more cynical.
Like I said before, some fans need to learn how to play other games, and stop glorify the past, the shoulder cam isn't for RE, also the whole speech about "oh no, immersion will be bad", they don't know FR, in this kind of games, you need to learn how to aim, than means you are more James than before. If some fans don't know who to play modern games, that's not the problem of Konami.
And if you are one of those fans, that don't want a remake at all, get out of here, and get back to your PS2, your comment is like a fly in a restaurant, useless, and annoying.
Don't forget that some teams just have a very bad advertising company and if they had paid a little attention to details, could it have looked better? Moreover, most often many people are attracted by a negative reaction, maybe it's just beneficial for them to be discussed...even if you say that the fight here is terrible...You're discussing the game anyway... and that's profit
silent hill fans are in their own silent hill as seen from the wars in these comment sections 💀
"It needs to be more like call of duty, the gun physics sucks. There needs to be tactical reloads! Bloober dunno what theyre doing. No buy no monie"
That's true on RE2R, the gun movements are more natural.
The remake isint a gift to fans of the original. It’s more of a way to opening new fans. Y’all gotta grow up
100% agree, at this point I wouldn't care if it got cancelled just purely because of how entitled the "fans" are.
Oh yeah its what the franchise needed,tourists
@@Koda.R the old game cookie cut wouldn’t work in todays market. Stop being a bitch. Go play the original if that’s what you want but stop being a bitch and crying on the internet about it. Or go make your own game so that way it is in your image and up to your standards
I'm getting the impression that "fans" are one of the main problems with this series as well, at least by now. They misunderstand the original, concentrate on contradictory aspects to criticize without actually understanding what was central to the originals or what was in them, as if the supposed "fans"are there to wallow in some "we are misunderstood and forever the victims" position. At least on this specific game here it seems to me they are actively trying to sabotage it, nitpicking on things they couldn't possibly be able to evaluate based on a few seconds of video, and then just misrepresenting the original when trying to put some reason behind their distaste. They just seem to want to be angry, feel important ganging on on someone "powerful" (Konami or the developers) to feel some achievement in tearing something down. I would understand being critical, but god damn how much of this criticism seems to be misguided, uninformed and as if driven by some other motivations instead of wanting an actual good game. Konami having to panic because of poor reception of the trailers, putting pressure on and micromanaging the developers to change things before release to fit some delusional social media criticisms quite definitely wouldn't result in a good game, but that seems to be what these supposed "fans" are aiming for.
@@udopadrik9971 yea I’m just gonna wait and see what the finished product is. The blooper team already have huge shoes to fill and so far the competition has given us two nearly perfect remakes of their classics. So I’m gonna wait it out. The bloooer team seem to be fans of the original.
Yeah this is goofy af trailer, but Bloobers themselves can't just overjump their head when they don't have masterpieces, only some good, alright and meh-tier games. I hope at least game will be 5.5/10 cause it won't gonna be higher, I promise you. And I talking about score from gamers perspective who will play this, not some Metacritic snobs.
The Silent Hill fanbase is making the Fnaf fanbase less toxic somehow lol. Gameplay matters first before story.