THE WORLD'S OLDEST TRAMS / RIDING LINE 1 IN MILAN ITALY
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Hello and welcome back to Italy for another tram review on the channel!
Today we won't be taking just any tram, but the World's Oldest Tram! (that is left in regular passenger service.) We ride Line 1 from near Milano Centrale station, through the historic city centre, seeing loads of fantastic sights as we go... Enjoy the video!
Date of Filming: 11/9/21
Camera: GoPro Hero 7 Black
Operator: Azienda Trasporti Milanesi (ATM)
Location: Milan, Italy
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Milan is such a cool, wonderful city - these old fashion trams sure play a part in keeping the city so stylish.
They sure do 🙂
Except in summer, when you have to crowd in a small cabinet without A/C... maybe that will make you stop thinking like that...
@@LeonardoCaida Air conditioning doesn’t equate to style…
@@iggifalcon9186 Style does not save you from heatstroke though
@@LeonardoCaida you roll down the windows and let the air in and in any case no one has ever died 😂
i am 67 now but remember very similar trams in Brussel around 1965, when i saw the tram arriving and the doors opening memories literally jumps in my face, also the wooden interior and seats where similar. memories are a strange thing i saw those images in a split second, so weird. tank you so much for this.
Glad to bring back some happy memories Paul ☺️
8:53 the tram that has just passed is the tram that the municipality of Milan wanted to dedicate to Carla Fracci, a great dancer who died a short time ago.
the line on which she is in service was not chosen at random, obviously it is one of the most beautiful lines in all of Milan, which passes next to the theater where Carla was trained, but there is also another reason, in fact her father was a tram driver and drove a model 28 tram, and every time he passed in front of the "Alla Scala" theater he always rang the bell, a small gesture that is repeated by this special tram.
Great video! Just a couple of corrections:
1:42 the name "Ventotto" ('28) is actually inappropriate, although being vastly used, since the two prototypes were built in 1927, and the other 500 cars between 1929 and 1930.
9:00 the original livery was the same one used today (officially "giallo crema", creamy yellow), but after a couple of years it was replaced by the green livery, imposed on all public transport by the Fascism. In the '70s the new "arancio ministeriale" (orange) was applied on all trams (San Francisco units were sold with this livery), and very recently (late 2000s, early 2010s) ATM decided to restore the old "giallo crema" on almost all the remaining units.
Thank you 🙏🏻 Great information too 🙂
Thanks, I liked this very much!
That brought back memories! In 1998 I was seconded to work in Italy and spent 4 months in Milan. I used these old trams daily to get to work. The one thing I remember was when it accelerated or slowed down you would slide along the old shiny wooden seats.
Haha yeah the floor were a bit slippy. Glad I brought back some good memories 😊
Beautiful trams in Milan, Italy. Milan is such a beautiful city. 😍
It sure is Andrew 😂
Milan is such a stylish city!! These old trams still plying the streets are incredible!! Glad they were not modernized with plastic and steel. If I were in Milan I would be riding these trams everyday. Thank you Max for giving us a great report of these classics😀😀♥️♥️
It sure is! I love all cities with these old school trams, and living the history is just fantastic. Glad you liked it Scott ☺️🇮🇹
@@NonstopEurotrip 😀😀♥️♥️
i rode on them everyday back in September 2022
Search milan sirio tram
In milan there're modern tram
The City is amazing and i also loved the difficult types of trams there. This type here is unbelievable. Nearly 100 yrs old. Liked every ride with them...a really great and unforgetable expierience
Ventottos or Carrelli are amazing. I loved them. Not a single piece of plastic there, only wood and metal! They are true tram legends and must be tried. 😍
The seating is the best possible to socialize. Countless memories going to high school some decades ago.
Completely agree 😊
The other nice thing about the trams is the winter, you can freeze inside so it's super cool if they are full as people warm each other up and you can keep your coat zipped.
That's one way of looking at it 😂
Milan got the oldest Tram running ! Incredible !
😍😍😍
I love Milan and I love these trams....so am glad we have one here in the Melbourne Tramway Museum in Hawthorn. Thanks for taking this nostalgic ride!
Ah glad you liked it Linda! It's cool there's one in Melbourne too 🙂
Some of these trams are in service in San Francisco as streetcars too, and they still have the Milan crest on them :-)
Oh wow interesting ☺️
I rode one of the wooden trams in San Francisco on their F Line. It was interesting ride. A lot of the ads were untouch and still in Italiano. Even had a small Italian flag hanging off the roof. I think San Fran has 8 of them. The rest of their fleet are older American streetcars and one Spanish Tatra Tram.
Hi
Good video i love old trams.
Here is some interesting thing:
In Pilsen in the Czech Republic we have a tram that dates from 1899, but due to the age and construction of the car, the tram can be operated as a museum and only in good weather. But even so, despite all this, the tram appears on historic rides through the city.
Oh I will definitely have to check that out sometime ☺️
Thanks for a great ride, great memories and a great video! Lived in various places in 1985-'88 in northern Italy and loved to visit Milan. Wonderful shots of the Galleria and Duomo. I cannot be sure, but pretty certain I road the Ventottos a few times as I explored the city.
Wow, it's bet it's changed much since then? Especially with the highspeed scene in Italy now 🤩🇮🇹
Great video once more! I managed to take the Ventotto's several years ago, on line 5 from Ospedale Maggiore to downtown Milan and I really loved the vibe. It made me remind of the old wooden carriages which operated for 99 years on the line A of the Metro in Buenos Aires. Gorgeous experience! Congrats
Thanks 🙏🏻 Yes it's a great experience 😊
What I love of this Tram is that you can hear the sound of electric engine and compressor 😊.
In Torino you can find the 2800 of GTT, the oldest series still in service in orange livery.
Oh completely agree. I'll definitely check out the trams next time I'm in Toronto 🤩
@@NonstopEurotrip it's turin lmao,but Toronto has cool trams tho
Such a wonderful trip. It was great to ride it vicariously with you. Great job!
You're very welcome 🙂
Pretty sure one of these trams is in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa, USA as part of the Midwest Electric's collection. Looks very similar and I know one of them came from Italy! Love the sound of the Traction motors thumping and groaning with the speed changes! Just stunning!
That's very interesting, they seem to have ended up everywhere 😂
Great video. I always liked these old trams, but I never managed to ride them (because usually were crowded). That's why I'm glad to finally see their interior and video from ride. I recognized a lot of places you've passed through :-D
Thank you Pete! They're excellent and great fun. You should do a video on the Prague trams 👍🏻🇨🇿
Anyone going to New Orleans ought to ride their old trams. Fantastic! Still wood, brass, enamelled metal….Garden District route is lovely as is the route to the museum of art.
An unspoiled part of America for sure
Love it!
Not only do I love the clang of the bell, but the sound of the engine, and the alternator !
Me too 👍🏻😄
Great video !!
Thank you 😊
What a great video! I love trams. I grew up in Melbourne in the 50s and 60s and their green and yellow trams were amazing. The new ones do not have any character but the last time I visited they were using the old ones on tourist routes to the waterfront so I got my nostalgia fix.
It’s interesting that these “ventotto” trams were once in use in Melbourne.
Sounds incredible Heather 😁
Beautiful city; beautiful trams!
Absolutely 😍
This looks lovely. Nice bit of history 😘
Absolutely fabulous 😍
these trams take me back to my youth, for 19 years I took them almost daily
Beautiful ride!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Amazing!
I've the pleasure to ride those Peter Witt trams when I was visiting Milan in the 70th and they still going on some lines. They have them because it's cheaper then thore up the rail and buy buses. At that time they had both trolley and panto. Some was even green.
Hope to be in Milano this summer briefly and you're adding to my bucket list! Grazie.
Milan is summer (july/ august is a Hell whit capital H, the higt humidity whit high temperature (min e 32 celsius) they will like 40 celsius, trust me i lived there for 36years of my 40.
Great video . I've been to Milan many times but have always walked around and never ridden the trams. That will change on my next visit.
Definitely make the time, they're excellent 👍🏻🇮🇹
If you're looking for another item for your bucket list I can highly recommend riding the HSB up to the Brocken. It's a narrow gauge railway going to the top of the biggest mountain north of the Alps, and almost exclusively uses steam trains in daily operation. As it is near the former border between East and West Germany there's also lots of interesting history and cold war era infrastructure at the summit.
It's actually very high up on my to-do list, hopefully this summer! It looks amazing 🚂😁
That looked like so much fun. Thank you.
Oh it sure was 🙂
I'm sorry but what you said about these trams being in museums around the world isn't actually true. San Francisco is using them (mainly in the Financial District area) and It's pretty cool to see that they still wear the same colors and signs of its previous owner, included Milan's city logo. In any case, I really appreciate all of your videos, good job.
That's right. They also run along the Embarcadero on the Bay.
And they are based on a design by ... an American.
Ah thank you. Are they a regular service?
@@NonstopEurotrip Yeah, consider that I haven’t been to SF since 2 years so I don’t know if they changed anything meanwhile. In late 2019 they were still in service (as Daniel said) they mainly run around the area of Embarcadero / Financial District. It could be common to see them around Market St. It’s a completely different service from the Cable Cars going up and down the hills that every tourist has in his mind, which is mostly a tourist attraction even though is used by many residents.
@@jacopomainoldi9025 excellent, thanks for that 👍🏻
Loved the tram ride - I’m from Melbourne and trams are a huge part of our transport to get around, some of the old ones are used for a “city circle” tourist trip around the city, mostly all. Overnight these days., if in Milan I will catch the tram for sure. Thanks for the trip!
You're welcome 😁
Wonderful and Awesome Coverage!
Glad you liked it 🇮🇹
Cracking video mate. We have very similar trams in Melbourne that are still running. They sound exactly the same. Our look a little wider though. They are fantastic to still have around. I know that they used to run them on a "loop" track around and through the city of Melbourne. They were aimed at tourists and people could get on and off when ever the wanted at no charge. But they ended up being used more by people that worked in the city to get from one end to the other. Keep up the good work.
Ah excellent, if I ever make it back to Oz, I'll be sure to check them out ☺️
i live in milan and i think these trams are a true masterpiece
Oh absolutely 😌
Great video. Now Milan is on my bucket list - but will I ever make it?
I hope so, everyone should experience Milan 😀
Hi, whit may wife we rided this tram from 1928 in 2017. It was in a heavy rain night that looks like a movie of Federico Fellini. Fantastic experience.....💚 Thanks Italy.
You're welcome 😄
Great video! When I was in Milan in 2009, I remember seeing the trams on the streets. Annoyed I didn't get to ride one. The metro was sufficient :-)
Oh you definitely will have to next time 🙂
Great video once again. Really enjoyed it. Need to add the trams in the Isle of Man to your bucket list. Oldest in the world according to the Guinness Book of Records. Interurbans - the newest built 1906, oldest 1893. Do not operate beginning of November to mid March.
Yeah I keep meaning to get over to the IofM, they look great fun to try. Shame they don't run year round or they would win the title of oldest in regular service 👍🏻
I lived in Milan in the 50s and the 60s trams color was green and i mostly traveled on lines 8 and 28 .
Excellent 👌🏻😄
Absolutely a lovely video and thank for taking us to Milan. I am going in July and will buy a pass card which enables me to ride this for free! Cant wait to experience it myself.
Glad it was helpful!
Milan is my city 🥰
You have chosen one of the best rides on our traditional trams! Pity for the distancing restrictions, because the way of driving the tram is very curious to watch (but maybe you showed it in some other video).
I absolutely love our old small trams and catch them as often as I can. I especially like the hanging rétro lamps and the wooden interiors.
There is also a tram which is a moving restaurant (although a bit of a tourist trap, you can also book it for private celebrations and parties). The ticket, for all public transport including rail, is 2€ for 90 minutes within city limits and unlimited vehicle changes 😊
Thank you ☺️
Nice of the driver to ring the bell for you after you disembarked!
Ikr 🤣
I was born and raised in Milan, we’re kind of proud of our trams!
You should’ e included the restaurant Tram, on which you can dine onboard while going on a sightseeing tour!! It’s a lot of fun
Lots of people have said this, I will try to another time 😁
7:13 1445 mm, it's the same gauge as in Madrid Metro, but that was an personal error calculating the International Gauge.
This error dates back from the opening of the Metro System, in 1919
Video's score: 11
I did not know that, thanks Pedro 🤩🇮🇹
@@NonstopEurotrip Btw, you're at 100 subscribers from 30k. Did you plan a special video?
@@pedrorubiotejero_aka_prtI did 🙂
Thank you for sharing this video on the old trams of Milan. Another interesting line is that one along the Naviglio grande, from " Darsena di Milano " ( the old harbour of MIlan ) toward Cesano Boscone,. Wonderfool view : from downtown to country neighbours . On the right side you can see the little church of Saint Chistoforo , of the XII ° century. Milano , beloved city . the only city in Italy that mathces eureopean living standard . In my mind is alwais the night sound of old tram running near home, in piazzale Lagosta .
I'll definitely check that out next time ☺️
While I can not speak to Italy's rules, as someone who is certified to operate the American streetcars of the 1920-1960's through one of the museums that I volunteered with, the ringing of the bell is to communicate what the operator is about to do with people and alert the people that are around the unit. The two operators that I am familiar with and sadly no longer exist did use a points system, you would gain points for safe operation and lose points for unsafe operation. The points could be turned in for days off, vacation and other benefits. While the the points that you lose would go to the number of hours spent in retraining. It is my understanding that many operators adopted a similar practice however I can not confirm that information.
Great insights 👍🏻😀
Quite a few of the old Milan trams are in service in San Francisco and San Jose
They very most cool s of the modern tram s
If you love these vintage trams then you must try the Atmosfera tram while you are in Milan. It's a restaurant service run by ATM (the public transportation company of Milan) that takes place on a modified tram. It uses one of these vintage trams and it takes you around the city while you eat. I heard it's quite expensive and you need to book it in advance but it may be worth it :D
I will try it in the future, for sure 😄
Did the trams in San Francisco 2 years back. They do have a few of the older trams which they run on a few routes. Obviously I also went on the cable car from Market Street over to the Piers and it was amazing. I went in January and the weather is really good, ie not too hot lol. Definately would advise a trip there.
Thanks! I have been a few years ago too, and as far as America goes, it's the best place I've been. Beats the crap outta NYC 🙄
@@NonstopEurotrip I'm not 100 percent sure but I think the San Francisco tram fleet comes from Milan.
@@intersezioni yes,I think 3 1500 series went got sold off to San Francisco and run on the F line,they're in 3 different liveries
@@intersezioni They do 😊
I'm surprised the Italians named anything after Luigi Cadorna who was possibly the most incompetent army leader in the whole of WWI and that's saying something. His father and son, both named Raffaele are more praiseworthy in Italian history. Raffaele the elder was a general in the reunification wars and born in Milan. He led the troops that took Rome.
This is actually a good point and many Italians (myself included) support removing Cadorna's name from most streets/stations (especially places like Milan's largest metro interchange...). I assume at some point in the future it will happen, he really is not someone that we should celebrate, there are many WW1 leaders who would be much more worthy of such honours (Major Ettore Martini, for instance).
That certainly is a very interesting choice of naming 😂
He wasn’t incompetent, the new type of war was difficult for everyone
@@AlexanderLittlebears No he was incompetent. He never changed the way things should happen. Lookup the 1st to 11th Battles of the Isonzo. Same thing every time. Huge Italian losses for no reward. All the other generals, on both sides, changed their approaches, but not him.
@@ravenfeeder1892 there were rewards
As far as old vehicles in use in regular traffic, in Poland select regional trains, during the weekdays on Leszno-Wolsztyn route, and during the weekend on Poznań Główny-Wolsztyn route are operated by steam locomotives! Which ones can be found in pdf timetable for the station, as such services have *pociąg obsługiwany trakcją parową* note written
Ah very interesting thank you 🙏🏻
Great video
Thanks Luis 😀
Great trams indeed! Which one did you liked most: Lisbon trams or Milan trams? In Lisbon we had even older trams in service until 1996. Unfortunately they were scraped with the arrival of modern trams. A big mistake since now is frequent to see 4 wheelers on 15e route and the are usually overcrowded.
I definitely preferred Lisbon, much more of a rollercoaster ride 🤩 But the Milan ones have their own special charm too...
the only 1500model that are still geen are the Sabbiera (sand train) that put sand into the rail for better grip, and the ATMosfera (atmposphere) a tram restourat it operate only on reservation, it make a city tour by night whit differnt menus, you can surch tram ATMosfera restourant
As a young boy growing up in Toronto during the 1970's, I used to take the TTC's (Toronto Transit Comission)'s PCC (President's Confrence Comittee) streetcars, which served until 1986. It's amazing (and sad) that these streetcars in Milan can still run in Milan while the PCC's cant here in Toronto.
Yeah that's sad 😔 You have new trams though I believe, and progress is progress?
@@NonstopEurotrip, yes, we do; they're the Flexity Swift models made by Bombardier (now Alstom Canada.)
@@NonstopEurotrip, yes, we do; they're called the Flexity Swift, and they work very well.
On wish list: Stuttgart tram museum!
Excellent 👍👍👍 bro very nice ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you 🙏🏻
They don’t hang around, do they? That is impressive acceleration for such old vehicles.
Yeah absolutely 😂
Thank you, nonstop eurotrip!!! The opera alla scala of Milan!!! Many great operas are performed there. Puccini, ah...!!!! Well, your video is wonderful. Thank you very much for making us enjoy your trip to good places. This is my first comment posted with fiber.
Glad you got your fiber sorted Louis, and glad you liked this video. France up next! 🤩
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@@louislegrand2865 I hope it gets sorted soon! 🙏🏻
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The ones that ran in Brooklyn and Queens in NYC had better seats that were made of leather with padding and had subway style handles to hold on to when the trolley was running during rush hours. They were retired in the early 1950s before I was born. I am a New Yorker.
And these ones still going strong 🤣
loved it!! I was born in Milano but now live in Melbourne, yep the city with the biggest tram network in the world (Milano and Melbourne are sister cities) 🇮🇹🇦🇺
Ride the FLP smile train from Lugano, CH to Ponte Tresa.
It's on my to do list 😀
@@NonstopEurotrip if you go on the right day, you can walk across the bridge in to Italy and check out a nice little street market in Ponte Tresa.
San Francisco has a few of these Peter Witt trams. They havent been in service for years though
People have been saying they still are in service 🙄
@@NonstopEurotrip they are currently in Cameron Beach yard near Balboa Park BART
Uber cool!
Oh yes 🙂
My suggestion is the Toronto streetcar system. Think there are two routes. We were on it decades ago and enjoyed riding it all day on a very cold day in February.
Toronto has 11 streetcar routes and they just finished replacing all their streetcars with low floor Bombardier Flexity trams! They are very heavily used and include the busiest non-subway routes in Toronto. Definitely worth a ride.
If I ever make it to Canada again...!
@@stmisbehavin662 Thanks for the update. I remembered just the two lines from back on my last visit, we went to TO often as a kid from neighboring Buffalo, but now I live in the midwest. That could be a fun day trying to ride them all :)
If you want old fashioned railways, you should go to the Isle of Man
I keep meaning to go ☺️
Jacopo Mainoldi is right. The San Francisco trams also run along the Embarcadero on the Bay.
And they are based on a design by ... an American.
Thank you Daniel ☺️
Does the tram go back to the initial tram stop near Milan Central Station?
It does, yes
Very nice old trams
Oh yes 🙂
Those in San Francisco are in use on line F,
Ah thanks 😁
bello
Heading to Milano later in the year 🤞and will definitely be taking a ride on these!
You can find these trams on lines 1, 5, 10, 33 and about half of line 19
@@marcodamasio Thank you!
A little correction you said that the San Francisco ones are Museum pieces but they are not they are actually run by San Fran Muni on the F line as museum pieces
Ah thank you 🙏🏻
I would love to ride a tram again! As a child in LA trolleys were a mainstay of public transportation. All torn out so that autos could rule the city. Don’t believe it was worth it?
I don't think the US will relinquish it's hold on cars unfortunately
I think Blackpool has Trams of this age or earlier still running on certain days of the week? First tram Blackpool 1885.
Yes, but not in regular service 👍🏻
Nice video but Melbourne Australia's W class trams are older are they not? They still have 12 running on the zero fare city circle route, used by Melbournians every day (and yes tourists ride them because of their age as well) including one of the first 1923 to 1926 production batch.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-class_Melbourne_tram
What time of year is this? I see everyone in light clothing.
That date of travel is always in the description 👍🏻
At 3:50 that is line 9 tram, i take it everyday
When I was a teenager in the eighties I used to go to school riding on a suburban line which connected Milano to Desio with trams which were slightly older than the "ventotto". The sliding doors were not elecrified and had to be opened by the ticket inspector at every stop. I attach a link to the video were you can see them sporting a green livery
czcams.com/video/bbFL94KO57Q/video.html
and speaking about trams, the next time you will be in milan you should definitely “atmosfera”, it's a restaurant on a tram like this
I will for sure 😄
11:25 i guess you were being ironic when you put "high speed" in brackets and joked about them not reaching 300km/h, but I am not sure about the "run by Italo part". That tram isn't run by Italo, it's run by ATM (Azienda Trasporti Milanesi) like all the trams in Milan, which is a publicly-owned company. It had written Italo all over the place becaue it's an ad. Maybe you had already figured it out and you were joking about that too, but you never know ahahaha. Great video anyway!
I was joking, yes 😆 thanks for watching!
At 3:07 does the distracted wandering pedestrian get a bit of a shock, and then wave at the tram driver?
I think so 😂
He instructed the driver not to stop. When you are used to it and you are walking in front of a stop, you immediately understand if the railwayman is stopping especially for you. So it's a courtesy gesture to say right away if you don't need it :)
What is there not to love about an old tram?
Lisbon remodelado trams have both pantographs and poles. Anyone know why?
Good question Mark 🤔
In Lisbon the remodelados have trolley poles and pantographs because in certain routes (12e,24e,28e) the aerial infrastructure does not alow the use of pantographs since they would pass dangerously near the buildings.
@@RS-bb4mp Thanks. That makes sense.
A 24-hour ticket for Tram and all the other public transport methods costs 7 Euro instead of 4.5 Euro.
Thought it was 100 points for a Gucci shopper (jk)
😂😂😂
the daily ticket costs 7€ now
😥
Wrong, New Orleans has some from 1923
Not in regular service afaik
Not in regular service afaik
@@NonstopEurotripThey are used in regular service
World's oldest? Hardly. The Manx Electric Railway has a fleet dating back to the nineteenth century and don't be confused by the ''Railway'' of the title. It is a tramway in character.
Yes, but it's not a regular passenger service as specified at the beginning of the video.
The Manx Electric Railway is more of a touristic attraction with limited service between March and October.
The Milan service is a regular year round service and part of the regular transit network.
Exactly 😌
@@AL5520 Forgive me but the answer to this is '''so what''? The video is entitled ''the World's oldest trams.'' This they are not.
That's the tram I take everyday to go to work....
Wow, lucky 😃