5 Things Audiences Hate When Listening To Live Bands
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Two other things I hate: 1) Too much banter and talking between songs, and 2) Dead air. The band takes too long to start the next song. Either they don't know what they're going to play (no set list), they're busy chatting amongst themselves, or someone isn't ready for the next tune and the band has to wait for them. And there's no one on mic covering that space. I hate it from both sides, as an audience attendee AND as a band member!
Many people go to live music as social events and dont care about the actual music at all, they are drag alongs or want to meet people, hang w friends, just something to do. Most dont care that much about the actual music tho they pretend to. That is ok. Whole music scenes and successful bands exist because of the social aspects of shows rather than the actual music. If ppl could not talk whole bands and scenes would fail to draw. Also many genres are improv based w no setlist and the audience wants that. One example of a scene that is both pro socializing and improv is certain jambands, jazz, improv music etc. Wives and girlfriends especially do not want to be dead silent when dragged to those things or other such genres they do not enjoy but will go to w their bf or spouse. Music is not all about music. Not at all!
Those are two good ones to add and should be highly considered as much as the five on this list. Dead air is a straight up killer - kills the mood of the audience, makes the band feel anxious and look sloppy/unprofessional.
@@kdub607 Not every show or band has to be some slick predictable production, and I think that even kills the spontaneity and surprise and suspense of live music. Breaks and lulls are good to allow people to talk and get a break on their ears. Again it is not really about the music for I would say at least half the audience at any show. Many are there for the people and socializing more than sitting being played to non stop, not being able to talk from constant music. Breaks are good. Loose and unpredictable is good. No set list is good. Not to the point of sloppy drunk dive bar bands that suck, but those types of bands suck even if they had a tight set with no lulls. Not everyone is at the edge of their seat wanting to hear constant music and not being able to talk. Actually music was more fun when it was like that. I think that tight slick productions killed live music for many. Think of the 60s and 70s where most everything was way more loose. That era and music and the live shows are classic and often legendary, regardless of lulls or no set list. The rise of slick productions I think took the soul out of live music.
@@RocknJazzer I get what you're saying, and we're not talking about a moment of a break between a song here and there. Dead air is when everyone on stage is standing around not knowing what to do or what the next song is. Dead air is when that happens and the front line isn't doing anything to engage or talk/joke with the audience to keep them connected. I've seen it many times, I've even experienced it within my band or others that I've sat in with. My band has been known as a top dance band - we are hired because the events want their audience to be on the floor as much as possible. Our formula has been tried and true for us - we have a tight flow that rivals any DJ (to point number 4 of whether they should have hired a DJ). We still break if transitioning to let's say a ballad, but there's little dead air. The front line will engage, doing the usual - "How are you enjoying yourselves? What birthdays do we have/zodiac month?" Things that keep a connection to your audience. If you're referring to clubs/bars/restaurants, that's a different venue with a different approach. Some of those places only have an entertainment license, but no dance license for example - so yeah breaking between more songs is acceptable. It depends on the venue, the audience, and the type of show you were hired to present/perform.
@@kdub607 Yes I understand, that seems to be the modern pro working band protocol, but other genres and genres have different standards and protocols that does without much of that, more relaxed, more akin to the days of the golden classic rock era late 60s thru late 70s, where things were looser and people were there more for the party, the hang, the drugs, the people...ie a less commercial approach where it didnt matter much or as much, which I prefer. But if thats not your bands thing then of course do what is best. I'm just saying this guys video is not differentiating, he is painting with a wide one size fits all brush. Many styles dont want a slick approach, they shun it for a more loose informal presentation. I prefer that because it feels less like a product or being marketed to, and more like art at a social gathering rather than a slick product. Concerts of decades past and in smaller genres were more fun and no one complained. I think we need to get back to that more today.
I call number one the "Lauryn Hill effect". She became a megastar with 5 grammies on the debut album. But started going out and performing versions folks didn't recognize, and then did unknown tracks that no one was feeling. Amazingly I saw Jill Scott a few years back (had seen her before) and she did a show the same way - completely flipped tunes. I'm a musician and have played many of her songs to where I know the instrumentation throughout, but when it was like, "damn I wouldn't have known this song if it weren't for the lyrics" - I knew we hit crossroads. Never thought I'd see folks just get up and walk out - on Jill Scott! at an outdoor event! All to say, change the music subtly but keep it close to home so listeners can relate.
One thing u left out is a need to establish and keep pocket. 80's and 90's music was pocket forward. Keep teaching bro
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The last gig mentality 🤣 I love it!
Exactly right! We test songs with the idea “will everyone have heard and recognize this song” for a venue or event as it’s not always the same. Thanks for a great instructional video. We appreciate your work. God Bless!
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I’m so glad that you’re posting these tidbits of wisdom. Over 35 years in the biz and a lot of hard knocks learning these same exact lessons. Hope the younger cats put some serious thought into what you’re sharing with them. Keep up the good work!!!
Nice tips , very useful and interesting talk
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It depends on the music style. People who listen to jazz are more used to longer solos. Both jazz and classical music are listening music.
yeah- it depends on what you expect to hear...(ie: no one complains about the long solos in, "Hotel California", or, "Free Bird"...)...
Ive done all these things every time I played except the LONG SOLO thing, I suck too much to even attempt that
I played with a band where they would borderline argue about the next song in between each song 😂
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If you are a rock, blues or dance party thing. Agree. My band is a 3 piece jazz group, natural background music lol! We play what we want at manageable volumes that support the environment and people dig it. We play nothing like the record ( our mix of jazz , pop, RnB, rock and blues covers) . Go buy the record .. and it’s already been done before 😅
Me and my baddies had a dream of starting a band 4 years ago but we still have problems with finance so we decided to keep it low for now untill we are financially stable to buy the instruments need and to design a music band rehearsal room i dont know if thats a good idea......
Definitely point 5!!!
Does this apply to Jazz festivals? Can you do a video on this topic, please?
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Long solos 😂i think 🤔 the people haven't experienced any great full Dead concerts 😂 now those are Long solos or a Pink Floyd's or Roger Waters concert 😅😅😅😅all jokes aside if one wants to experience songs that doesn't start off sounding like the record they don't recognize or songs that seem a little different bro they have to go back in the day with EWF or Al jarreau or Bobby McFerrin Grover Washington Jr Carlos Santana oingo boingo Earl klugh James Brown just to name a few what they did was incorporate different melodies along with the familiar beat in rhythm of the song that way the audience could experience The genius of the musicians while not losing the audience
Another one is when the drummer starts a fight with an audience member. It literally happened to me last night like.... Uh okay i guess the gig is done. Luckily no one got hurt and we played one last song lol
The idea that some instruments have a frequency that is irritating to the ear is a new one on me. As well as the guitar, what other instruments fall into that category?
Some keyboard sounds are really shrill, and some horns when too loud can be irritating
As a harmonica player myself…
sit front center at a small jazz show w a trumpet player in your face. Could be anything too loud and focused tho. Sub bass, guitar, shrill vocals etc. Depends on the space, the players, the instruments, the soundman, the pa, the stage, and your location to all the above. Very common that live music is unbalanced. Another prob is things you can barely hear. Live sound is not ideal like a studio.
Cut that 4K
Anything in the drive thru restaurant speaker range. Watch your mids, and don’t overcrowd frequencies
I would almost say that unless you are a dance band don't even bother. People become obnoxious when they drink and they're likely to do anything.
I'm a musician. I went with a friend to see a fusion band he wanted to check out. I was so irritated by the time I left. So many atonal leads. Very fatiguing. It was like OK I get it you can play but this seems to be more about you than me. And so then why am I here?
It appears you are not familiar with rock music from the 60s,70s and 80s. Bands of that genre and time were extremely loud. There was an entire industry born, Marshall amplifiers that the goal was to produce as loud a sound as possible and long and loud guitar solos were the norm. These bands would pack stadiums with 100000 people or more all who came for the loud music levels and long guitar solos
We’re talking about Church audiences, right? 🤔 then why are we worrying about dancing 🕺🏽 if the body of Christ are dancing in the spirit and dancing in the flesh
Im confused here. Is this supposed to be appropriate for a church musician or secular musician? Most of the videos posted here appear to pertain to worship musicians, but this advice isn't really that applicable in a worship setting with the exception of playing too loud. Playing flashy solos in worship music is self serving. I see so many worship musicians with huge ego drawing attention to themselves. These are usually the sort of people who will tell a bassist to over simplify their bass part ie. only play 8th notes on the root of the chord, yet the leader will just shred away, disregarding the foundation of the song and what other musicians are doing, also often playing on every turn around. The other big issue is vocalists who do constant pentatonic runs throughout the whole song and step on everyone else's parts. Flashy drummers are another big one, playing double kick or over filling the groove with extra snare hits or crash cymbals. Bass solos are also a big distraction and usually dont work well, frequently causing the groove to be lost. Many drummers dont listen to the bassist either, playing an open hi hat on staccato notes. Over complicated and inappropriate fills often go along with this. Then theres the keys or piano player who plays too heavy of a left hand, stepping on the bassist, especially while doing so and also playing sustained notes when they're not called for. I left a church because of a leader and keys player due to this. After numerous talks with this person, the problems would persist. Musicians who often come from a failed secular music career often seek out paid worship leader positions, bringing their ego and toxicity along with them.
What I hate the most is when bands start spouting their political beliefs or some "social commentary" from the stage! I'm there for the music and show. Not a lecture!
When I see a Stratocaster on stage I turn around and walk out.
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Why do you want groom are clone bands?! This is TERRIBLE advice.
Agree with you, first point that you have to sound exactly like the original is dumb. Doesnt apply for a band playing originals, but even if you are playing covers, make it your own. Just do it well, in an engaging and entertaining way; the audience will come with you if it works.
@@000EC i agree with you, overall. I think what he meant was that if you are going to play an iconic song like the recorded version, then put in the work necessary to make that happen. For example, if you play James Brown, then get the hook right, get the starts and stops right, get the jangly guitar tones right, go to the bridge, etc. Many bands play the right chords and get little else correct. Then they have the nerve to call it “their version” of the song. Either play it true to the original, or arrange it in such a way that it makes the song new and fresh; just as you said. A lot of bands play corporate events, cruise ships and such, where the audience expects the bands to play songs “just like the record”.
@@chrisbalding3128 Agreed, that's how I understood it as well. Play it close to the original and then add the right amount of your personal flavor to best serve the song. Sex Pistols covering Frank Sinatra "I Did it My Way" is a good example of crossing genres to appeal to the target audience while maintaining familiarity and then adding their own stank. Johnny Cash also did this very well on many cover tunes. The familiarity creates a comforting common ground that is relatable and easy to groove with. Excellent job on all your videos man. Very much appreciated.