John Fahey - Wine and Roses

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • YEsss, the Fahey express toots on

Komentáře • 137

  • @BuddhaVSZeus
    @BuddhaVSZeus Před 13 lety +53

    I am glad I am related to this man! he is my grandpas younger brother

  • @OspreyD40
    @OspreyD40 Před 13 lety +23

    Also, by this time, he was commonly calling the piece, in this scary iteration "Approaching The Disco Void". Earliest title, I believe was "Wine and Roses". Then "The Red Pony". The piece evolved over time, becoming less the gently mournful song of the Red Pony days, more anxious and ... bleak.

  • @plemgrubern
    @plemgrubern Před 9 lety +25

    this is still one of my favorite fahey tunes. there's just some melancholy and ghostly mystery to it.

  • @gentphilistine
    @gentphilistine Před 12 lety +47

    These videos from the Hamburg concert are truly special. Every one of them. Audience members consistently look stunned when you see them. John the Baptist totally absorbed, a demon on the stage, haloed by two rays of light breaking the darkness. How can anyone not desire to become a musician after seeing and hearing this?

    • @adolin1338
      @adolin1338 Před 5 lety +4

      "John the Baptist, totally absorbed, a demon on the stage, haloed by two rays of light breaking the darkness"
      Hands down the best youtube comment i've ever had the pleasure of reading, rock on mark.
      Cant agree more about the clips of Fahey in Hamburg, other-worldly, truly incredible.
      I hope they still find you well after all these years

    • @oobieo
      @oobieo Před 3 lety

      Love it

  • @tomguitaronline
    @tomguitaronline Před 10 lety +61

    I started playing guitar at age 15. At that time, the beatles, stones, led zeppelin were my teachers. Since then, I studied classical Segovia style but did not become a true spiritual guitarist until I was exposed to Blind Joe Death. I listened and collected all of his albums and became a freestyle finger picker playing from the heart and soul. Many guitarists are technically greater than Fahey but few play with the feeling and inner quality that he exhibits. He has inspired a new following of acoustic guitarists that will continue to explore, splice, and improvise the blues with country, indian ragas, classical, jazz, folk and everything that is music! Enough said, His spirit lives on through my playing and others and I hope he is upstairs smiling down on us!

    • @KCBarr1
      @KCBarr1 Před 10 lety +12

      Amen friend. I have for years been a guitarist, albeit a hobbyist, more than anything else. I do a bit of finger picking, and a bit of slide, both acoustic and amplified. I had the pleasure of seeing Leo Kottke way back in the 70's. Technically, he was awesome. I had heard some John Fahey at that time, but not enough to be aware of how truly talented this man really was. Since then, it's been like, Fahey's better. No Kottke's better. Then I realized that it doesn't matter a damn who's better. It's what your ear and your heart tell you that matters, and my ear and heart love them both, along with many, many others. That said though, Fahey was something else.

    • @ficheye00
      @ficheye00 Před 5 lety +2

      Great comment.

    • @LosHuxleys
      @LosHuxleys Před 4 lety +2

      Name technically better guitarists than John Fahey, please. I can only think of Leo Kottke and maybe Paco de Lucia... but then again I wouldn’t say they are better, just different and virtuous in their own way.

    • @rememberpast3985
      @rememberpast3985 Před 3 lety

      really dont think he could smile haha))

  • @MososarkusN
    @MososarkusN Před 10 lety +32

    I appreciate that the audience is not making noise. This deserved reverent silence, as almost everything he wrote did, for it needed space to ring. It does here.

  • @Shamino1
    @Shamino1 Před 7 lety +90

    The fact he could do all of this while absolutely hammered and in the deepest throwes of drunkenness is, in itself, absolutely incredible.

    • @dennisjcny
      @dennisjcny Před 6 lety +3

      Shamino Warhen with as little as know about the human brain, don't discount the inebriating effects on some of the more creative portions of the brain. Simply don't know the effects, but we can enjoy the evidence.

    • @alcoholya
      @alcoholya Před 6 lety +16

      this is a comment from someone who doesn't play guitar and drink heavily.. It's nearly impossible to maintain these kinds of levels of skill after a certain amount of inebriation. Which is why Shamino made that insightful comment above yours..

    • @jasonterry2096
      @jasonterry2096 Před 5 lety +2

      @@dennisjcny as a person who drinks a lot & tries to play the guitar I can tell you (at least for myself) I wouldn't be able to do anything even remotely close to this while drinking.

    • @IustinNitza
      @IustinNitza Před 4 lety +3

      He was not drunk during this performance. You can find an interview that he gave before this concert

    • @TheBestBoyyeeehehe
      @TheBestBoyyeeehehe Před 3 lety +5

      ​ @Machete Moonlight @@jasonterry2096 It depends on the kind of drinking. Most alcoholics do not drink in the same way as somebody who parties. A regular person reveling will try to slam down drinks and get their buzz up, an alcoholic will usually just try to maintain the buzz they need. I used to sit around in my apartment and drink and play guitar all day and when the drinking habit reaches a certain point the drunkenness doesn't necessarily affect your behaviour.

  • @RRLeimbach
    @RRLeimbach Před 13 lety +7

    For what it's worth, I've played Fahey's stuff since about 1970 and met him about 1981, helping him carry his guitars out to his old Plymouth after a concert. He was a very nice man, contrary to legend. Also, the primary creator of fingerstyle modern guitar.

  • @verbaud
    @verbaud Před 14 lety +8

    Saw Fahey at the Cellar Door in DC in the 70's. He wandered on stage. I thought, "Oh no, some local drunk is touching Fahey's guitar!" Then he sat down and played into heaven. Spoke all of 2-3 words, mumbled a thankyou and wandered off stage and left.
    A stunning performance.

    • @Cosmicladybug
      @Cosmicladybug Před 3 lety

      I love this...

    • @nnnnnie
      @nnnnnie Před 2 lety

      A friend and I drove from UVA/Charlottesville to DC to hear him about that time ('72/'73?) , maybe at the Cellar Door. He didn't show up. I did get to see Leo Kottke, John Prine and Mike Auldrdige about that time in small venues.

  • @jimicoop
    @jimicoop Před 16 lety +5

    John Fahey = Depth of feeling. His music reflects so much of lifes ambiguity. Mesmorizing.

    • @tuckercahillchambers1361
      @tuckercahillchambers1361 Před 7 měsíci

      “I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it, be it good or bad.” - Henry David Thoreau, talking about John Fahey

  • @JDBoelter
    @JDBoelter Před 10 lety +15

    "Red Pony" (or whatever the working title) is still one of the most haunting pieces I've ever heard (or ever expect to.) Wow.

  • @legbider
    @legbider Před 15 lety +3

    I watched him give a radio interview at the Denver "underground" FM station Feb. "71". The interview lady mentioned "studio overdubbing", and he declared, a little peeved, that he " never overdubbed anything in his life". She got real embarrassed. He was awesome. A memorable moment for me. Thank you John!

  • @bufatutuagonistes8876
    @bufatutuagonistes8876 Před 6 lety +5

    I've loved Fahey for a long time. But never thought to look for him on utube...until watching Michael Hedges got me into becoming a viewer. This is really an incredible piece, full of creative tension, peak skill, and heart. I think Wine and Roses/Red Pony are his most beautiful compositions. In my little musical world, this is one of my top two or three songs. The entire first two plus minute are an insanely intense improvisation. He was flying...but not yet gone. His fingers are moving insanely fast and with feeling. I've honestly never heard him play better. He excels.

  • @robertchallen
    @robertchallen Před 15 lety +13

    I used to play this one years ago, and if my memory is correct, it's in D minor tuning. DADFAD, instead of DADF#AD which is the regular open D tuning.that he used a lot. Have to get my guitar out to be sure though.

  • @woobi4739
    @woobi4739 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The first video of John Fahey I ever saw.
    It was enough to send me down a fucking rabbit hole and influence the way I see acoustic guitar forever.

  • @ficheye00
    @ficheye00 Před 5 lety +3

    Unbelievable. One of the best pieces of picking I've ever heard.

  • @soldelcumpleanos9535
    @soldelcumpleanos9535 Před 9 lety +11

    Its very spiritual... you can feel his soul on the song :)

  • @chrissteinblondie
    @chrissteinblondie Před 16 lety +2

    !!!! Fahey was one of my main influences for playing modern rock guitar... he was one of the most innovative players around... i saw him in NYC in the early seventies... Wine and Roses one of my favorite of his pieces... i cant say enough how huge a fan of his i am...
    he was a very crazy guy though and died too early

  • @bobgreen8142
    @bobgreen8142 Před rokem +3

    The secret of John Fahey's technique is in how he places the guitar - on the left leg, held in balance by the right, and tilted in to the body. That way, the guitar is supported and neither hand is needed to take any of the weight of the guitar, or to balance it, so you are free just to play, and it's very comfortable too. I can sit that way for hours, my main differences are that 1) I favour a smaller-bodied guitar like my Guild M-20, and 2) on a good day I'm maybe 20% as good as Fahey (but I'm still on that trip).

  • @Fakovnik
    @Fakovnik Před 6 lety +13

    best acoustic guitar song ever ?

    • @jrod9104
      @jrod9104 Před 4 lety +2

      Best acoustic guitar player* ever

  • @dancochran1689
    @dancochran1689 Před 5 lety +6

    Everytime i listen to Fahey i swear i hear two guitars picking, but NO..it's just John..Superlative....i heard that later on someone requested him to play this song, and he said he would never play it again, because it was way too dark...

  • @mstrultan
    @mstrultan Před 13 lety +2

    @phishhead11 Agreed! I am an amateur photographer and once knew a man who taught photography at a little neighborhood craft shop. He was much like your description of Kottke - technically proficient, but his pictures were soulless. Like so many who do weddings, proms, family portraits, etc. - all technique, no vision.

  • @rpdugoni
    @rpdugoni Před 7 lety +3

    I caught him in 74 on Stanford campus. Amazing!!

  • @toughlikerocks
    @toughlikerocks Před 3 lety +4

    Don't mind me, just here for my weekly watch.

  • @luminol2079
    @luminol2079 Před 9 lety +31

    Think about constantly changing to different open tuning, in concert, without a digital tuner. Easy for some (like Fahey, obviously) but not for most. That alone is pretty cool in my opinion.

    • @ficheye00
      @ficheye00 Před 5 lety

      It's fascinating to see him tuning his guitar during a song. Probably using a tuning fork in the morning, but who knows?

    • @stratmen
      @stratmen Před 4 lety

      Leo Kottke, a one time student of Fahey, does the same thing made all the more difficult because he’s playing a 12 string guitar. Lots of Kottke on CZcams.

  • @SerialPortExperiment
    @SerialPortExperiment Před 13 lety +1

    Never realized before hearing this exactly how much John Fahey seems to be a large influence on Ben Monder's finger style pieces. Fahey was amazing.

  • @nnnnnie
    @nnnnnie Před 12 lety +5

    I am a Fahey fan. I have a lot of Fahey's records around here that I used to listen to back in the day. Yes, we had big, round plastic disks that had to have a needle on it to play the sound. Now I play it mostly in my head, but I remember.

    • @gxtmfa
      @gxtmfa Před 4 lety +2

      Dude, you know records are still quite in vogue with millennial listeners nowadays, right?

  • @communty
    @communty Před 14 lety +2

    Both, depends which version you're listening to. Sometimes it's called "The Approaching of the Disco Void" aswell.

  • @TrademarkRecordings
    @TrademarkRecordings Před 15 lety +3

    Is there seriously anyone out there who would give this any less than 5 stars? FYI in 2009 the audience would be all weird long-haired metalheads into Fahey, John McLaughlin, and Ian Williams. FTW.

  • @LateNotes
    @LateNotes Před 16 lety +1

    rocking blues raga magic man !

  • @tommypickles7
    @tommypickles7 Před 12 lety

    what truth in his music. what freedom and truth

  • @angellacanfora
    @angellacanfora Před 13 lety

    God this is gorgeous....gives me chills....

  • @danielackerman3159
    @danielackerman3159 Před 26 dny

    Once he was lost but now he is found

  • @jdtube
    @jdtube Před 17 lety

    great stuff... much thanks for the posting... i have a dvd of his, with the guitar guitar appearance and the later in life show's - but these are great clips of him is younger day's - i only wish i could have seen him live... atleast i got to see kottke... 8^)

  • @calypsojimmy
    @calypsojimmy Před 13 lety +1

    1 Leo and John loved each other's playing.
    2. Strings don't break solely due to increased tension. Bigger reason for breakage = kinks in string, which can occur in 4 places: (i) the nut, (ii) the saddle, (iii) the place where string enters the tuning post, and (iv) somewhere else in the string, i.e. a defective string. Strings (esp. un-wound ones) can break @ kink-spots identified by (i-ii-iii) above, regardless of whether you are tuning up or down. But: If strings r new, theres no problem.

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před rokem

      Strings dont break if you tune down been playing forever lol

  • @rebeloj
    @rebeloj Před 11 lety +11

    Haha that's a rather coarse way to express your pleasure, but even as a life-long metal fan I don't disagree. The power and emotion that Fahey brings out of 6 steel strings and no other accompaniment trumps anything else I ever listen to. If I could only ever listen to instrumental solo guitar for the rest of my years I would not be upset.

    • @global_tetrahedron
      @global_tetrahedron Před 7 lety

      haha thanks for being nice, was just trying on some hyperbole to make a point

  • @naprode
    @naprode Před 14 lety +1

    three thumbs down??? how impaired do you have to be to not like this great sound...

  • @NickBaracchi
    @NickBaracchi Před 14 lety +3

    On his website johnfaheydotcom you can find some interesting tunings, tabs and lesson.

  • @OspreyD40
    @OspreyD40 Před 16 lety

    While Fahey used thumb and index and middle finger, he explains to Laura Webber on the Guitar Guitar TV show that he drags the index finger across strings at times (When The Springtime Comes Again, and its iterations such as Mark 1:15), but that he's been unable to teach this to others. Use of your ring finger, a typical classical approach, can make up for less-than Fahey technique. He's amazingly fast with just two fingers and thumb. In this show, about at his peak of technique and speed.

  • @Beardaux
    @Beardaux Před 16 lety

    this guy is amasing

  • @wertherellerbrock
    @wertherellerbrock Před 13 lety

    Breaking strings from tuning down is more common than you think. The reason is that, unless you have several guitars -one for a given tuning-, if you tune down, you will eventually tune up, and going back and forth weakens the string to the point where it eventually may snap regardless of whether you were tuning up OR down.

  • @mradamcooley
    @mradamcooley Před 16 lety

    lifechanging.

  • @notthebannerboys
    @notthebannerboys Před 13 lety

    @phishhead11 Love them both and see no need to compare then as if they are sports franchises.

  • @54spiritedwill54
    @54spiritedwill54 Před 16 lety

    fahey rules!

  • @whoisit01
    @whoisit01 Před 16 lety +1

    i feel so lucky to have discovered this guy out of nowhere when everybody else in my generation likes hip-hop and "pop-punk" emo shit
    from delta blues to classic rock...im never goin back to that pop crap EVER
    this is the best!

  • @hyperpoesia
    @hyperpoesia Před 11 lety +1

    that is amazing and beautiful. do you have memories of him that you care to share?

  • @guillermodeolloqui329
    @guillermodeolloqui329 Před 3 lety

    increible

  • @SkiyeSounds
    @SkiyeSounds Před 15 lety

    brilliant

  • @gallopinghost74
    @gallopinghost74 Před 12 lety

    It's a medley. It commonly played them live. I often wondered if it was pre-meditated, but he seemed to just go with it.

  • @OMGWUNSIU
    @OMGWUNSIU Před 13 lety

    @phishhead11 Not everybody understands your simple but oh so accurate statement. I do and agree 110%.

  • @sesshomaru322
    @sesshomaru322 Před 12 lety +2

    This song is in Open Dm isn't it? So many of the songs he played at this concert are in such different tunings and it looks like he played them all on the same guitar. How on earth did he not break any strings retuning?

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před 2 lety

      Yeah it is.
      Pretty hardy to break strings likw that when you're never going higher than standard

  • @HawertyAlt
    @HawertyAlt Před 16 lety

    Yup, there is classical, which uses the ring finger as well, among other styles...

  • @slubberde
    @slubberde Před 16 lety

    Buna ziua meloman: back in the early 80's before I went to England to live, I attended a Fahey concert @ Canal St Travern in Dayton, Oh. and gave Fahey the record "Cornflower Suite" by Suni McGrath, which sites Fahey for the concecption of the art on the liner. Fahey responded by giving me his "Christmas" lp. Any interested in the music of Fahey should check out the music of Suni McGrath on my channel. This will graduate the listener to the next level of solo 6&12 string guitar.

  • @mark1800
    @mark1800 Před 15 lety

    this video is too good to not have the sound track synchronised properly.

  • @gerby90
    @gerby90 Před 12 lety

    @sandysuicide yes its the same composition. he changed the composition as well as the title throughout his career..

  • @rebeloj
    @rebeloj Před 12 lety

    @moneyquickeasy I do. :) It's great music to program to.

  • @mwmlol
    @mwmlol Před 13 lety

    love the people in the audience at 3:29: " O_O "

  • @Greenalex89
    @Greenalex89 Před 12 lety

    This is footage from the german TV channel WDR (Westdeutscher Rundfunk), I´m surprised, when was that? If it´s for that purpose I need my TV back..

  • @fenderboy88
    @fenderboy88 Před 14 lety

    @bjoel125 Idol has also being a competition where the contestants play thier own musical instruments not just singing ive seen a fe wof these contestants with a guitar in thier hand.
    The so called singer song writers on Idol that think they are the next whatever they are proclaiming to be,using idol as a quick and easy road to fame.
    As Tommy Emmanuel said''there are no shortcuts''

  • @russelsheartinacage
    @russelsheartinacage Před 16 lety +1

    this is such a brilliant song. I posted a vid of Red Pony, based on the version on the "John Fahey plays "Red Pony" 1969" vid. Check it out and let me know what you guys think! Im working on this version at the moment, so hopefully that will be up soon.

  • @extinctlyville
    @extinctlyville Před 13 lety

    @lemonsdontcry I've played for almost 20 years now and love screwing with tunings, can't say I've broken a string tuning down to my memory. If I did, I'd be looking for a reason why, as steel strings don't break easily on a properly set up guitar. For open E, use a capo so you don't put your guitar through hell and end up doing odd things like breaking strings while tuning down.

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před 2 lety

      Yes this guy is just wrong you don’t break a string tuning down

  • @DianeRicco-no5nh
    @DianeRicco-no5nh Před měsícem

    My first picking😊

  • @FinalCurve
    @FinalCurve Před 13 lety

    @shazaaammm Go to his website, look up the tabs :)

  • @genesssa
    @genesssa Před 13 lety

    @Adeptmind i understand his point. i still think promoting that kind of comparison, and encouraging people to go one way or another, is counterproductive. i happen to be a fan of both. i am not concerned with their different techniques. i am concerned with my enjoyment of what they do, not the relative benefits of what one does over what the other does.
    g

  • @89kids
    @89kids Před 16 lety

    If you want hear something special check out anything by Leo Kottke; he the guy that upon first hearing made fahey reply "what the "F", how did he do that?".

  • @dantean
    @dantean Před 13 lety

    @phishhead11 You are now the winner.

  • @OMGWUNSIU
    @OMGWUNSIU Před 13 lety

    @WildRenegade01 4 people need to discover "Q-tips". Great for cleaning the sh*t out of the ears!

  • @genesssa
    @genesssa Před 13 lety

    @phishhead11 so no one is allowed to appreciate both of them, each for what he is, two different things, really? one has to win and one has to lose? what a warped view of music.
    g

  • @CfenlightenmentOrg
    @CfenlightenmentOrg Před 14 lety

    @robbieborne Weren't they roommates? And Dr. Demento was his manager.

  • @SoftCouch
    @SoftCouch Před 16 lety

    Not to mention his finger style only uses Thumb, Pointer and Middle, watch closely, look at the metal finger picks on the mentioned fingers. That is mind boggling.

  • @shazaaammm
    @shazaaammm Před 13 lety

    Does Fahey have any more songs that are in this tuning? (Dm tuning, right?)

  • @davo171
    @davo171 Před 15 lety

    Some say he was at his prime in the mid 70's. The 80's were not good to him.

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před 2 lety

      He was still a phenomenal player up until about the mid 90s

  • @hyperpoesia
    @hyperpoesia Před 11 lety

    ain't that the truth

  • @clappzzz
    @clappzzz Před 3 lety +1

    Primitive magic

  • @friendlier
    @friendlier Před 12 lety

    @genesssa I find so many people think that way about music. "Are you a Beatles or Stones person?" etcetera. Choosing a side like that is supposed to show that you are an expert on both. Inane and childish.

  • @mark1800
    @mark1800 Před 15 lety

    good comment.

  • @jeannenorris
    @jeannenorris Před 14 lety

    aa6757 just stating the obviouse (sic) and missing the sublime.

  • @omnirath
    @omnirath Před 2 lety

    If you don’t hear god at the moment man you’re deaf

  • @VladTepeshu
    @VladTepeshu Před 11 lety

    uh!

  • @fenderboy88
    @fenderboy88 Před 14 lety

    Wow,ripping introduction and so underrated,you dont see any of the American idol signer song writer wannabes play guitar like this

  • @flippingbutterfly
    @flippingbutterfly Před 13 lety

    Is that a metal fretboard?

  • @PSLegend999
    @PSLegend999 Před 4 lety

    Isn't this red pony?

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před 2 lety

      a few of his tracks have interchangeable song titles

  • @sandysuicide
    @sandysuicide Před 12 lety +2

    isn't this red pony?

    • @bufatutuagonistes8876
      @bufatutuagonistes8876 Před 6 lety

      Red Pony and Wind and Roses are the same song. Red Pony is the most intense and consistently remarkable piece of music I've ever experienced. Wine and Roses too. I'm a Fare Forward Voyages boy.

  • @barutha
    @barutha Před 13 lety

    @flippingbutterfly gay

  • @alcoholya
    @alcoholya Před 6 lety +1

    this drunken wizard from planet Alcoholia needs a haircut.

  • @terrypussypower
    @terrypussypower Před 9 lety +6

    It's just out of sync enough to make it annoying.

    • @AnthonyMonaghan
      @AnthonyMonaghan Před 8 lety +1

      close your eyes...it's all about the music.

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower Před 8 lety +1

      Anthony Monaghan Not when you're trying to work out what he'd doing, it's not!

    • @AnthonyMonaghan
      @AnthonyMonaghan Před 8 lety +4

      +terrypussypower watch and listen then. Have you read the introduction to the John Fahey collected guitar book? He talks about listening and playing being the most important part of being a good composer of arranger. Fahey never played a piece the same, he was always 're-interpreting even his own work. Bert Jansch was the same. I guess it's more about feel and flow than technique and precision.

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower Před 8 lety +3

      Anthony Monaghan
      You're obviously not a guitar player then. Seeing what someone is doing is actually quite useful when working out WHAT they're doing!

    • @AnthonyMonaghan
      @AnthonyMonaghan Před 8 lety +2

      terrypussypower Re-read the first line of my last reply. How do you think John Fahey, a self taught player learned? He listened. I am a guitar player Terry, and most of what I learned has been by ear. Different strokes for different folks.Also, the book I was referring to is called "The Best of John Fahey 1959-77". You can find it on the net as a pdf download. You might find it useful. Good luck.

  • @BikeIntelligencer
    @BikeIntelligencer Před 11 lety

    Unfortunate that the sound is not sync'd to the visual.

  • @fgldnglbs
    @fgldnglbs Před 12 lety

    Unfortunately because of his bout with Epstein-Barre, his ability to play as he did was gone by the late 90's. His style by then was slow and ghostly, as when I heard him at the Khyber Pass Pub.

  • @studiotrans
    @studiotrans Před 16 lety +1

    You must be deaf. Even Fahey said Kottke was better. I love Fahey's music and have spent many years learning to play a few of his songs. Kottke's version of Fahey's songs were always better than Fahey's original. Kottke loves Fahey too.

    • @alkahol6289
      @alkahol6289 Před 6 lety +2

      studiotrans kottke’s playing is emotionally/spiritually dead. He does not have personal relationship with the instrument. Technique wise he’s generally more skilled than fahey but that’s it, in all other aspects he falls miles short.

    • @je7647
      @je7647 Před 2 lety

      if you actually think Kottke is better you probably dont even like music

  • @Beardaux
    @Beardaux Před 16 lety

    this guy is amasing

  • @darkworld8
    @darkworld8 Před 17 lety

    fahey rules!