ATP Flight School in 2020?
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- Should you go to ATP Flight School in 2020?
Here are my thoughts on the program now days as someone who went through it four years ago.
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I think the big thing about a program like ATP is it only works as advertised if you are motivated and have a solid work ethic and the discipline to get shit done. I had a fantastic experience with ATP, but I trained alongside a lot of other students who never wanted to study and basically wanted to just be spoon-fed everything and not have to put in any work themselves. If you put in the work, ATP will definitely meet you halfway, but at the end of the day it is a fast track program and it is 80% self study - you're paying ATP for their aircraft and access to their structure, curriculum and network. Other than that, you have to take on the responsibility yourself to make sure you are getting your money's worth.
So is the 90k usd you are paying also pay for the 1500 hours needed for a commerical pilots license?
@@JTBCOOL1 no, you don't need 1500 hours for a commercial pilot license - the 1500 hours is a requirement to get your Air Transport Pilot license, which is what the airlines require. Your $90,000 will pay for all of your ratings in 250 hours (Private, instrument, commercial, multiengine, CFI, CFII and multiengine instructor). Once you complete your program you can work as a flight instructor to build your time up from 250 hours to 1500 hours, and you are getting paid for those hours, rather than you paying for them.
@@jamesbabbath5306 this is very helpful
Was thinking about doing ATP but listening closely and watching this video help me a lot thank you man!!
The reason why I’m going to ATP is to get all my ratings done in one house without having to worry about what flight schools offer. It’s worth the cost of living with parents a little longer.
How did this work out for you if you don’t mind me asking?
Did you like it
Hey Ryan! Im glad you made this video. I did all my ratings at a local flight school for a total cost of roughly $47,000. up to CFII. I am not going for my MEI as I feel the costs outweighs the pros in my situation unless I go to a multi heavy flight school.
My private did take me a long time but I started back in high school with little money. Once I got a job I was able to accelerate. I did my instrument in 3 months, Commercial in 2 months, CFI/CFII in 1 month (Only rating I did at an accelerated program which was ideal and cost effective). All while working and making money. I was able to tailor the program myself with my instructors which was great. Definitely a better route in my opinion if one can take it.
How can I contact you I need someone to help me through picking I’m a junior in high school and I want to become a airline pilot I just don’t know anything . I have a few flight schools because of the pandemic I can’t speak with them I was fully going to go to atp before this video because I thought that was the fastest and best way i didn’t know of any other was that was just as fast
Where is your school and what’s its name!!?
The primary reason people attend ATP is because of speed and the financing. If people want to get their licenses quickly, ATP is (or at least used to be) the place to do it. If they can't get funding anywhere ATP had deals with WF and SM that would give almost anyone a loan.
But there are a lot of downsides. They treat their instructors to the level of near abuse (and many of their instructors have no business instructing, they are just there to build hours). They will almost never refund money for any reason. And the program takes longer than advertised for most people. They also like to ram students through checkrides even if they are not ready which in my opinion is borderline criminal.
What are checkrides?
@@PAPERWEIGHTPRODUCTIONS The testing portion in actual flight vs your written tests.
thanks for this comment. definitely wont be going through atp
students shouldnt have to deal with stuff like this especially when it comes to flying a plane thousands of feet in the air
I know someone who went through ATP that had 180 grand in debt. It was cheaper for me to own my own 172 and to hire a private instructor to teach me in my own airplane.
@@PAPERWEIGHTPRODUCTIONS The oral exam and flight test you take with an examiner to get your certificate. The FAA does not issue licenses, they issue Certificates along with class and category ratings.
I love how honest you are
As an ATP graduate from the 50hr Multi program last year in March before they changed it to the current program. Currently a CFI/CFII/MEI at 900hrs. I can honestly say I'd do it all over again as a student, however, I would never go back as a CFI after 3 months instructing. I'm currently at another flight school that has made my quality of life, immensely better.
I think ATP works great and with the loan options, it was what allowed me to get my ratings ASAP. Being in my mid-30s, time wasn't something I wanted to waste. I didn't have the ability like Ryan to get a personal loan, so I had to use Sallie Mae. My training for the most part up until CFI school was flawless. I went in as a PPL holder and completed my Instrument and Commercial Multi/Single in just under 4 months. Then I had to wait for CFI school for 3 weeks due to the end of the year holidays, and CFI academy start dates. I went through the, then 2-week academy and completed my flight training in just under two weeks. Then I had to wait for DPE availability for another week or two. Finally had my MEI initial oral, which I passed after an exhausting 8 hour oral. Discontinued, then due to illness of the DPE and myself, along with weather finally completed the flight 23 days later. All in all, it took me just under 9 months to complete an advertised 6-month program. I'd say a lot of it was tough luck due to DPE availability, illness, and weather.
I immediately was offered a job as a CFI at ATP. I started there because at the time it was an easy option, but I knew it wouldn't last. Horrible pay with an insane amount of time dedication to give quality instruction and try to make some money ended all of the personal quality of life I had left. Yes, you can get INSANE and very likely illegal amounts of hours, according to the FAR's, by working at ATP. I know CFI's who are just now starting at the airlines while I have about 600hours to go before I'm ATP eligible. So I moved on to another flight school and I'm averaging 75-90 hours a month, that I'm much happier and making quite good money.
As a student, ATP delivered on what I needed so for that the program was great for a mid-30s, married with kids guy, who wanted to get into aviation ASAP and hit the ground running. I went at my own pace, put in the work and got my program completed. I do not regret the decision even with an 80k loan over my head. Though, a lot has changed, I see people dipping out after they get their commercial and passing on CFI. I don't know the whole reason, but I heard they are pushing CFI checkrides super fast. Doesn't matter if the applicant is ready, or even should be a CFI.... business is business...so they are in full SEND IT mode.
As a CFI following the program and working for ATP as a 1099 contractor I was miserable. Scheduling events for students was a nightmare, and having flight planned only to get bumped out very often for higher priority flights was frustrating to keep students on track and gaining hours. ATP gives a ground instruction guarantee, that I know and see many CFI's not giving students the necessary mentorship they deserve, only to take the money and run. Give very little ground and pre/post flight briefs which in turn means yes, they get more hours and do get to the airlines much faster. Why be a CFI if you're not going to give your students their due diligence.....*soap box moment*
Anyways, I love being a CFI, so I went to a flight school where I didn't have my hands tied behind my back. Sure, 100+ hours a month would be great and all, but I enjoy my family, and I enjoy having some time for myself other than flying. I'll sacrifice 10-20 hours a month for some sanity, and exchange roughly 4-5 hours of my own to take my family or my self for a SOLO flight to get away from students. Hours come faster than many expect.
Awesome comment, I just started at a local airpark working towards my PPL, with intentions of making it to the airlines one day. ATP has been on my horizon as a potential school once I get my required hours and license. Although recently I've been seeing many former students not giving the greatest of reviews on the school in general. I've really been rethinking my next steps as a pilot to try to get the best education while not squandering around my money like a mad man. Thanks for the advice.
@@kyleblankenship6657 I wish you the best. ATP I think is still the best option for part 61 training if you're not able to finance the training yourself. ATP has the equipment and locations to make it work well. There is a reason ATP has the most locations in the nation for flight schools. Does this mean they are the best, I'd say it all depends on the quality of the CFI you get. ATP has some dedicated and great CFI's but they also have some sub-par ones as well.
If I had another option over ATP I might of considered but for what I wanted to do ATP was my choice.
Thank you for your input sir! I have a quick question though, how would you describe atp's pacing? too fast or just about right
@@xenobell2475 You're welcome!.... I guess it depends on your own ability to stay motivated and put in the work to learn. It's like a full-time job to learn what's necessary to be a safe and effective pilot. Not just a pilot who can pass a check ride.
@@wrxsnowman Thankyou for your input! Would you say that the cfis were good at the facilities too?
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Thanks for the video, Ryan. I considered ATP back in 2010 or so and I was that super young guy and when I applied for the financing I found out that it was variable interest rates and my father would have to co-sign for me since I had zero credit being so young. Let's just say that the estimated payments were enough to keep me from signing and going. I'm now 29 years old and wiser and still have that bug to fly BUT it's just not worth that much debt in my opinion. I did get 38hours towards my private back in 2010 with a local FBO and my pilot finance loan ran out due to fuel cost increasing so I never finished. BUT I was one that had issues landing for example. Everything else I got but landing was a challenge for one reason or another and the CFI did work with me and helped me and gave me extra time and lessons for landing. As you pointed out ATP would not have done that and I would have been behind and possibly failed out.
I'm 29 now and have considered a career in aviation but its just too expensive and not an easy career path unfortuantely.
Key takeaways from what you said are:
-It's expensive and A LOT of debt to take on / the payments won't be cheap...
-ATP won't customize the program for you. If you struggle with portions you WILL be behind and possibly fail out.
-Its simply not easy to do and a lot of commitment and hard work with a premium price tag BUT can get you there fast IF you succeed.
Thx
Thanks Ryan. I'm at the point of decision and your video has shed some light needed. My first time listening to you and I had to subscribe. Thank you
Solomon Ojo ATP now offers the flex track program that allows you to do ATP while at college you can go to the airlines after graduation.
@@ImranQureshi-mf2gc can you elaborate?
I appreciate this video! I was literally speaking with the office near Dallas, Texas. I need to look into another flight training school.
Hey Ryan. Another good video. For those that are reading this comment, this is why I chose NOT to go with ATP - Me: Mid-50's and finishing up with one career and want to go into aviation before that door is closed. I looked at ATP, but decided to go with a Part 141 school. Why? Think of ATP as a full-time job, and I could not commit to another full time job, so I found a Part 141 school that is structured and yet flexible enough with my schedule. I get three to five flight days a week, and I am able to study at home for the ground school portion of my PPL. At five weeks into my PPL (the weather holds and Holidays included), I'm at 22 hours and prepping for my first solo. I budgeted $60 - 80k for all my certs and ratings with a time-frame of six to 12 months. The bottom line is - what works for YOU in your situation. Currently there are many avenues in pursuing your dream of flying the friendly skies and landing a job like Ryan's.
What is a 141 school ?
@@PAPERWEIGHTPRODUCTIONS It’s a flight school approved by the FAA(federal aviation administration) to teach their course in an intensive fast paced manner.
What school and where? Thank you
@@NoahHockey2015 there are many Part 141 schools across the U.S. ATP is popular one.
I am 50 years old, transitioning from being a pediatrician after 24 years of practice to a commercial airline pilot (with zero flying experience). I am signing up with ATP because I don't need finance but I want to get my commercial license as fast as possible. The clock is really ticking at my age.
I’m at Atp and I hear it differs from location but honestly I love it.
Joshua Marks which location?
@@stevenstevenson3705 im at the austin location.
@@joshuamarks4131 I'm planning to go to the Austin Location Next month.
Joshua Marks I’m from Austin and I really want to go to flight school. How was it?
@@george5247 did you ever start?
As for the intro flight, I did mine with ATP a couple months ago... you basically go up with an instructor for about 30 minutes while they tell you what to do and give you instructions to follow.
They make sure you: 1) don't freak out in the air behind the controls, and 2) are trainable.
Apparently a lot of people do their intro flight and realize that flying isn't for them, or they panic in the air, or they don't listen to basic instructions on how to fly the plane.
The instructor decides if you would be a good student or not. I did ultimately decide to go with ATP and I begin in March, good reminder though to be on top of my game!
TJ Gilmour Glad to hear! Can you tell me how it goes please?
Goodluck! Im thinking of starting pilot training now too!
Any updates?
Well, how’s it going?
For anyone still wondering (and finally responding to the above comments) - I finished the full program with my MEI in February. I was off for about a month at the beginning of Covid, but the rest of the program went on as normal throughout the year aside from social distancing requirements inside the training center. I felt lucky to be able to continue training throughout 2020.
I passed all of my checkrides and ultimately everything worked out well for me in the end. It was extremely difficult to say the least, but very rewarding - and I met a LOT of great people throughout the year which made things fun. I had some really great instructors who truly took pride in their work. I studied all day and night and basically sacrificed my whole year for this, so I think that paid off for me. If you are able to take a year off of your life with minimal distractions (quit your job, no family to take care of, and being willing to sacrifice some of your social and personal life) then you will likely do well. I did see a good handful of people not succeed, because they didn't come in prepared every day and simply weren't willing to do the work. Everyone struggles at certain points in the program in some way or another, but eventually you can push through it... ATP makes it very clear that they expect you to work extremely hard, and your certificates/ratings are NOT just handed to you simply because you paid a high price for flight school.
It was also great going to a school that has everything laid out for you in terms of hours, course study material, etc. Smaller flight schools outside of ATP are a lot less organized and it can be hard to figure out what you need to get done in order to meet checkride requirements. It can definitely feel like they are rushing you for your checkrides which can be a lot on top of the other stress you're dealing with, but I guess it is a fast paced program after all and you won't finish on time if you don't complete your checkrides as scheduled. And if you truly aren't ready, your instructors will wait to sign you off for a checkride.
Overall I would recommend ATP to most people, depending on your career goals and life situation - again, it all depends on your willingness to work hard and make sacrifices, the location you choose, and how good your instructors are. They also offer a new "flex track" program that was not available when this video was made, and a lot of people seem to enjoy that style of training versus the original program. Check that out.
If anyone has any other questions let me know (even though this isn't my video) - I am happy to answer anything!
Great video! I am gonna agree with you that currently it is not a good program. I am currently enrolled at ATP. And I can speculate that the required prerequisites now might be to stop the student flow because there is high amount of student volume and low FAA DPE. My old location was so backed up on checkrides that it delayed folks over a month!
After you solo, buy a used trainer (152,172,tomahawk,tailwheel ect) and go part-61. Fly across the country and have fun. You can get a lot of your certifications and as much experience in your own airplane.
Buy a used plane? This must be for rich people
@@jermainemyrn19 Rich in having excitement and adventure... I'm nowhere near rich and I have owned a Piper PA-24 Comanche for over ten years... Flying is pricey but it is also priceless.
@@jermainemyrn19 Not if you buy either an experimental or as the OP suggested a cheap certified trainer. Cessna 150's and Piper Tri-Pacers are some of the cheapest certified planes you can get your hands on for around $15k-$30k depending on condition. Go experimental and you can find even cheaper planes, such as the Baby Ace, Pietenpol, Fly Baby, Thatcher CX4, and Sonex. The older kitplanes can be had for $8k-$15k while the newer ones like the Sonex and CX4 $10k-$30k, again depending on condition, and how decked out the original builder built it as. There's a YT channel called Left Seat Adventures of a guy who bought a project Sonex and got it up flying for cheap. He's a great example of someone who doesn't have deep pockets yet owns and enjoys flying his own personal airplane. Flying is indeed expensive due to maintenance, insurance, and fuel costs, but not bizjet level of expensive as many in the public seem to think of it as. Flying gliders and paramotors is even cheaper.
@@antoniobranch why wouldnt you buy the plane before the private?
The reason I feel they want a college degree is like you kind of touched on earlier in the video. They want you to come in with a feeling of what the program will be like and college is kind of like a prep to ATP.
But I feel it’s also required since a lot of airlines typically hire pilots who have degrees or military experience.
Great advice, reasonable observations!
Thank you for posting this video.
I went to ATP back in 2009 and much has changed. Based on some of the students who augment their training with me, are telling me the quality of training has gone down with extremely high expectations.
I had a couple tell me about the admissions flight for private (antidotal info) they go up for 2.5 hours with a flight instructor and they are given 5 maneuvers shown two times and you must complete 4 outta five with success. (ACS pvt) a lead instructor makes the admission recommendation then the prospective student is interviewed by admissions.
I’ve had some students even make the decision to voluntarily withdrawal from the program with two weeks after start date when they were told about the ACS standards evaluated from their current skill level.
My personal opinion those mom and pops part 61s typically give you better training than the ATP fast track. Last time I walked into ATP I noticed some of the instructors were not very nice people.
Earned a sub, ur a good guy
sheesh ! thanks to everyone for commenting about their experience with ATP I've been thinking either to go to a 2 year college and then transfer or go to ATP
Two year degree. Public Community Colleges are cheaper
This video really helps me alot deciding of my flight school.
Thanx I am just starting a similar type of flight school and this helps a lot in finances
Thanks this video saved me, patience is key . 🔥
I'm about to start! Excited
very helpful vid. gave me more perspective. thanks!
This guy can talk about himself all day, a true champion
Thanks for your useful info. I think as long as you can save up, it’s better to attend full time or fast paced at a local flight school ( earn you rating and debt free). 1-4 years from 0 flight time to ATPL I think it’s doable. One can get all ratings and certificate at 50k instead of 80-100k and paying $1,000 a month is insane.
Hey, thank you for your thoughts, was very informative
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Recently, I earned my PPL at Vaughn College and still continuing it with IFR rating. I am also planning to get the associate degree which reduce hours. On top of that, I plan to fly with regional airlines, probably Envoy. Once I have hours, can I try to go to All Nippon Airways and train the 777 or stay with US based airline and transact into their 777 and eventually go to ANA.
I want to land in ANA at my first shot there after at the interview, follow up, and training.
Just started at ATP last week. Working on Instrument rating. It’s a lot different than what I’m used to since I did my PPL at a 141 school it definitely is an adjustment, but with hard work and dedication it will be worth it.
How are you doing now…u done?
Nobody ever replies when it’s time to ask for an update 🙄
@@jl3214 finished back in March. Passed all 7 checkrides first time. Definitely wasn’t an easy program but well worth it.
@@officialdsj8815 went good! Finished back March.
@@alexwoodward8753 can I connect with u outside of youtube? I have a few questions...
No matter what school you choose, pay as you fly pay by the block. 3k fellow students at Silver State Helicopters rips us off and ran with our student loans and till this day some are still hurting. So, it doesn't matter what school you're planing on attending don't pay upfront. Trust us we got burnt big time.
I’m there now at Morristown NJ. I’m honestly extremely happy with my location, loan availability, the expedited nature of the program and the quick filtering out of people that aren’t serious from the program.
The planes are top notch g500 equipped and well maintained. The program gives people a chance to go full force (with financing)
I graduated KMMU ATP May of 2019. Good location and ATC keeps you on your toes. Say hi to Dan.
Christopher Garcia my dude!! Yea man cAnt wait to hang
Trek Advisor awesome.....yea I definitely will!
Did you graduate yet? And is it still worth it ?
@@PAPERWEIGHTPRODUCTIONS it’s absolutely worth it. I got hired back at Morristown as an instructor. If I had to do it all again, I wouldn’t do anything different. It’s a blessing to have this job right now...the experience and amount of flights per week are unmatched
Thanks for the video man
awesome video brother!
Good info! Bought a Cessna 150 to build my time and get ratings while being an A&P
Hey ryan,
great video man , just what we needed. Just one more thing. How much time does it take from starting training for PPL to getting a CPL.
Helped very much thank you
Hey Ryan, I just subscribed to your channel. Thank you for the informative videos- were your fellow graduates all able to get instructor jobs at ATP?
I've been heavily considering ATP Flight School myself, my only concern is the possibility of not getting a CFI job even after passing their program/interview. I know the school advertises that a CFI job is guaranteed but I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Any word of advice would be appreciated. Wish you well!
-Jack C
I think that part of the reason ATP is no longer as lucrative is the fact that most aviation programs at colleges now already have a pipeline program and CFI training so you can get paid while working up hours. At least my experience talking to people who were going through college aviation programs was that, since they had a pipeline program and the demand for pilots is high at the moment, they were getting pulled by regionals as seniors and being groomed up so the second they reached their required hours, they were thrown in. I think that in today’s day and age it’s just more economical to get your degree and licenses at the same time, and the benefits are just about that same.
Ryan,
I would first like to say thank you for making those videos back in 2016. Watching those videos just after I got my start package helped me to prepare for the train I was soon to board (ATP, the joke was the train never stops lol).
I totally concur with you that it is no longer a good choice with those prices and their methodology with 2 types of crew phases (heck, one was already long enough). I had a great experience with ATP, as good as a struggling 35 year old could that didn’t do the CFI program. Speaking of the CFI program, they are quick to kick people out if they so much as can’t keep up with the pace, which is already fast as it is. It seems like prepping for the instructor exams are more rote memorization than learning with some of the DPEs.
The benefits were great if you went about a year ago, but now, I am sorry to say it is a mess. Less time, more money, less ground instruction, almost no actual instrument time (I walked out with 1.3 actual), rushed checkrides, and more.
Best wishes to you and thanks again for your videos,
John W.
I'm currently going through ATP right now and my scheduled program is 7 months. They do have some leniency in that you will receive a certain amount of flight hours before every checkride. For a PPL, you'll have a minimum of 80hours before a checkride, which is quite a lot. You'll also have evals which will study your progress and make sure you're on track for passing. It is a 24 hour thing, but I have been fortunate enough to have an amazing CFI as well as a large number of students who are more experienced and love aviation. Currently in 2022, the most difficult period is the first 2 weeks, after that you begin to adjust to the pace. From what I can tell, it's a challenge but the degree of resources available really make the experience a blast. If I had one request it would be a lower price tag, but in all fairness what you get for 80-90K is a lot considering fuel, resources, plane availability (Everyday just about), Student Environment, and a private facility to get away from home and study, simulators, and top notch aircrafts. I think ATP get's a bad wrap, but honestly it's been great and you feel like your apart of a small group of an already small group. Currently the Airlines need Pilots and places like ATP are helping the industry stay strong (along with those small mom and pap schools which deserve just as much attention and appreciation).
What ATP do you go to im thinking about going to phoenix
@@mclp1399 im in Houston, we're a little fortunate to have a new facility with new Piper Archers. Definitely do the orientation flight, they'll take you up in the air as well as give you a tour around the facility.
I start my training with ATP in 2 weeks. I don't have any of my written exams done and am concerned about failing because of that. If you have any tips it'd be greatly appreciated.
Our company took a hit a few months back and we had to let people go, unfortunately I was demoted to part-time and now I am only on borrowed time, I could be laid off any day. I've always wanted to get into Piloting and it's been a dream throughout my life and long college years.
Given that, I looked into ATP. I had hopes, but after coming across this Video now I have doubts. A career change into something I always wanted to do would of been great, but I have to look at the reality. I don't want a bigger stacked of debt on top of the stack I already have. Especially since I've paid so much of it off already. Now I have to find alternatives and or change the way I can incorporate my skill set into another career path... Shucks...
Thank you for your honesty Ryan.
Hey Ryan, Thanks for the information. I am recently retired Mil and can use the GI Bill there are certain reqs to use it. 1. GIB will not pay for PPL. You must pay out of Pocket... After that they will pay for your Commercial lic. but it must be a Part 141 certified flight school... What are your thoughts on going to the junior college (CSN) here in Las Vegas and taking the Professional Pilot , AAS. There are not many Part 141 options here in Las Vegas, only one actually. What would you recommend. Private out of pocket is looking like $16k min... and then I don't have too many options as the GI Bill requires Part 141 if they are to pay for most of the schooling.. Any and all advice is appreciated from anybody.. TIA. Tony
Did you end up figuring out how to utilize your GI Bill in terms of becoming a pilot ? I'm getting out of the military and ultimately want to become an airline pilot. I was thinking ATP would be a good program due to getting your PPL and other licenses .. but due to you saying the GI bill won't pay for your PPL is there another program or path that would work with the GI bill ?
The next 5 years is going to be very crucial in the airline industry. I am not sure if I want to be a pilot and take on a lot of debt. Its a significant risk if the industry does not recover. Thats just a point to think about.
I want to be honest with you the first two minutes and 15 seconds through me off but I'm glad I stuck with it. Thanks for the information take care
Very good video. I went to ATP Mesa/Gateway in 2018. I would not recommend that location due to the saturation of the school. I was frustrated and had to leave the program since my instrument checkride kept getting pushed out. Best decision I have ever made was realizing that ATP was wasting my time and money. I knocked out my ratings somewhere else and now I am right seating in a Citation Mustang and CJ3 Medavac.
ATP will nickel and dime you when you leave. Charged $150/hr for sim time as well as $250/hr Dual in the C172. So it was a very costly mistake for me to choose ATP. Ryan is right. You can have NOTHING going on in your life to make it through the program.
Those hourly rates don't seem far off. There are two 141 schools near me at different airports. One charges $150/hr for 1974 Cessna 172's that look OLD and have OLD avionics + $65/hr for primary instruction. The other flight school uses 15-year-old Cessna 172's with G1000 glass and charges $165/hr and they are $50/hr for primary instruction. So, both of these schools are $215/hr dual. It appears like ATP has aircraft that are not typically 15 to 45 years old, so one would assume their aircraft rates alone are probably closer to $185/hr. And if they are charging $65/hr for instruction, that fits within a realm of reasonableness. I can understand charging students an hourly rate of $250/hr for dual if they quit the program early, but that's just me.
What school did you end up doing your ratings at?
Thanks for the advice. ATP advertises a lot so I expected them to be expensive. I found other flight schools recognized on the FAA website in metro Atlanta.
On Google Maps, I searched flight school to see which ones are in my area.
You got through with any ?
Hey, Ryan, can you please tell me, what happens if student is not catching up everything in time and in the beginning of the promgam realize that does not want to do that anymore...?
Hey Ryan, I've enjoyed following you on your training and career advancement. You are an inspiration to many. If you see this, here is my question. I am mid 40's attempting a mid career change. I am just under 400 hours, with ME and IFR ratings and Commercial license. Have not done the CFI yet but am working on it. Do you have any recommendations for a commercial job where i can gain good experience if I don't go the CFI route? I would appreciate any advice and also networking with you. I am located in Utah. Thanks! and keep the great videos coming.
@sqauwk VFR - Have you seen these CZcams videos? czcams.com/users/results?search_query=low+time+pilot+jobs+
And if you have not already done so, Google "Pilot Jobs", here you will see everything from Indeed to paid / subscription job listing sites.
Very informative this video, I wonder if this information is still relevant today entering 2023? I understand some factors have changed now with pilot shortage
What kind of money do airline pilots make? I know the costs of ATP is over 100K but if pilots make over 100K/yr or more then it still sounds like a good time investment as the program only takes 9 months from no time.
Hey Ryan thanks for the video it helps a lot..but what do you think about the academy of aeronautic in Montreal??? I am considering going there
Love your intro man. I live in Utah and I am looking at moving to Arizona to work full time for a year save money and do my flight training and pay as I go. Would you have any recommendations for flight instructors down there?
David Crane I’m a student pilot at Sierra Charlie in Scottsdale. Approx 30 hours or so. Ryan recommended them to me back in the day and I would also highly recommend them. I’m only doing it for GA (not career). You pay as you go. They are one of the best flight schools in AZ, and recently won some award for “Best in the Western US”.
They have 8 172’s, and almost all of them are brand new with g1000s. They are also getting a multi soon.
Randy Carlson Thabks for the reply. I will look into the school
did you ever get your mei-cfi? whats the cost for mei-cfi? not the $20k you mentioned is it?
How long would you say I’d take if I decide to pay lesson to lesson starting with 0 hours
So who has had experience with the sallie Mae loan? And do y’all recommend it? Or do you guys recommend any other school near Dallas Tx?
Did they change the rules? ATP has as flex program for those who work or are doing college.
Is it as bad as he’s making it seem with falling behind ? Like they don’t help you at all and they teach you then throw the test in front of you or do they actually help
Thanks Thanks and Thanks.
I did ATP because of financing. It was worth it but I’m also older and can handle that Sallie Mae bill. We had a lot of people fail out because they couldn’t hack it. It’s a beast and not for everyone and the price is crazy now so if u can go somewhere else I say do it
With good dedication and not doing anything else but ATP, do you think it’s possible to pass?
Have you ever thought about doing a video breaking down the costs of owning my own plane like a Cessna 172, hanger, maintenance, fuel etc etc. thinking about buying my own plane and than starting my training next year in Arizona.
There is another video that does what you ask, you can look it up
Yes! I’d like to buy a plane of my own soon and do this
@@PropGear if the video is about flight schools, why it is necessary the gym intro ?
@@PropGear Hey Ryan, I'm also in AZ (Phoenix Metro). What local alternatives would you recommend. I was considering ATP primarily because of its pipeline and I'm 44 years old, but this video has got me considering other alternatives.
33 and wanting to change careers. Always wanted to fly, flew a cessna for 30 mins. It was exiting, scary, amd seems to be more exiting career than banking/mortgage. Thinking about ATP due to financing and speed, any thoughts?
Stay humble, Ryan. We tend to chew and spit out those who have the bad habit hauling a bag of ego at the airlines.
Do you know if you have to get a four year degree now to become a pilot?
If you need an Associate's Degree, why not just go to a community college with an aviation program? Sure it will take two years to get your CFI but the cost will be on student loans not a variable interest lender and you'll do your AS degree and flight training at the same time. Our local school commits to hiring its grads back as CFIs so that s a boon as well.
Hey Ryan!
What do you think of joining the airforce...
Cuz that's also a way to get into the airlines eventually with little to no money...
Could you please make a video on how to join the airforce and the requirements necessary to be qualified and accepted into airforce training as well as it's pros and cons...
What do you personally think? Is it a good option?
love your videos!
You should ask someone in the airforce not someone who has no military EXP
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Question if money is the only thing holding me back because i don’t come from a family with any sort of wealth and nobody to help back me, how should i go about becoming a pilot? It is something i am extremely passionate about and dedicated to. Im sure you get this a lot but I appreciate you reading it.
I'm in the same boat. I don't have anyone to help me with the costs of flying, but I've dreamed of flying for as long as I can remember. I just don't have the money for it.
Im going through flight school right now...for a 2 hour session of flight im paying 4-500(air traffic control might keep u up longer for aircraft seperation🙁)bucs right now. I moved back in with my parents to atleast help me deal with the cost
Look into a community college with an aviation program. Student load will help with costs.
Is it mandatory to take ADP for becoming a pilot.
What are needed to become a pilot?
PPT and CPT are need right. Other than these anything is need or not?
35 years old thinking about doing a career change as a truck driver I’m just tired of it everyone else is getting wage increases but the trucking industry has barely went up at all. Just curious where ur at in ur flying career and any advice thanks
whoa, you don't recommend atp anymore? ugh, i hate how they increased their prices
Thanks for the video! Those loans that you mentioned (800-1000$ per month), for how many months are they?
15 years
@@airbuspilot69 that would make total amount of debt 150 thousand dollars?
@@cebeho I came into ATP 2 years ago with credit for private, my cost was $54,000 and 50 hours in the Multi. Im paying over $700 monthly for 15 years.
@@airbuspilot69 that’s crazy
I didn't know about the height / weight requirement. I'm already a pilot so this wouldn't be for me, but I'm 6'7" so they might not have taken me. Interesting.
I started flying at age 15 out of a crop duster op.dirt strip in a 140 got a couple of lessons in and one day showed up and the pilot had sold the plane and moved away! Not deterred I graduated HS and joined the Air Force hoping that would point me in the right direction but this was not in my best interest as I went overseas and could not fly.Returned to the states and started flying again out of the local FBO and was making progress until winter showed up severely limiting my flying hours, after getting out of the AF I had to get a job and pay bills, I didn't really have anyone to point me in the right direction in my life and life was hard not having the money or a clue where to go,I read Flying and saw the pilot schools but I was just lost at what to do.I moved to Florida where I picked up where I left off and finally soloed and was flying cross country and all of that, but life got in the way and I had to stop.I'm now 56 and wanting to change careers, I believe I would make a great pilot and would love to retire doing what I always wanted to do and I'm not aiming for an airline job at all,I would love to just fly anything not concerned about the money or any of that.I just love to fly and it was my dream for almost as long as I've been alive.Do you think that in reality it's too late or should I go for it? Thanks
If you love it go for it, but the only job you will get at this age will be as an instructor, which is a great job but not an airline job.
I’m 24 and a local flight school I’m looking into has a accelerated program that costs $78,340. I got approved for a loan and my monthly payment would be $800. Is that fair?
International students can apply for ATP airline pilot career program?
Hey Ryan,
What do you think about Lift Academy? Is it legit?
Yes, I started LIFT Academy in February 2019 and came in with my PPL. As of today (1/5/2020) I’m a commercial pilot with instrument rating and my multi add on, and in the middle of my CFI course. So far have loved it!
@@CJ-eb9en Hey, can I get an update on how everything is going for you at the moment? Thx.
Dark L Got my CFI in february and my CFII in june! Corona definitely stirred things up everywhere in the aviation world but LIFT is still growing. Tuition and a few other things have changed for incoming students. However we just partnered with a local college where you can get an associates degree while flying with lift and we just got approval from the FAA to perform in house check rides (only flight school in the state to do so). Almost half way done with my hours and still love it!
Hi Ryan! Can I ask you what is your height? I’m wondering whether 5ft 7inch would be enough to be an Airline Pilot because that is my height. I’m also planning to undergo ATP programs too. :))
That height is fine
@@ronjones9853 how about 6’1” and about 285 #s?
@@TheLace that's fine too!
Will my GI Bill cover training costs etc.? So I won't have to take out a loan anywhere
But to emphasize what Ryan Huber says, it’s difficult and you can’t go by one day where you are not studying. It’s a tall order that only total immersion can fulfill
Do you have any free time at all? Or are you literally doing nothing but studying day/night/weekends in order to be successful there?
TJ Gilmour that’s a good question. You do have time but you “shouldn’t” have time if that makes sense haha. You really need to keep your head in the books at all times if you’re not in the ATP building or in a plane. There are guys that work part time/self employed/etc....but it’s difficult because the school wants you to be available at all times to fly on the spot. If you can Uber at night, have a super flexible part time night job, or own your own business, yea it’s doable but it’s still really tough
Thank you for the video- I appreciate your time and effort- I am interested in your opinions. But not really interested all the materialistic stuff in the beginning..
Which one are good flight school around Seattle?
They don’t require a college degree, if you check their website under
Admissions Prerequisites and Requirements
for the Airline Career Pilot Program
It says ,
“US Citizenship (or Permanent Resident)
18 years of age or older
High School Diploma or GED
FAA First Class Medical Certificate
Adherence to Height and Weight Limits - Students taller than 6'3" will be assessed during an Introductory Training Flight for comfort level inside the aircraft and the ability to fully manipulate the controls. Due to aircraft operational limitations, students weighing more than 250lbs may be denied training in ATP aircraft.”
I ended up paying 75k for 100 multi..... Those new ATP crew backpacks must be really expensive lol. I wouldn't recommend ATP to anyone anymore.
What would you recommend??
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@@eceus9962 modular
but i am looking at working with envoy for a place at the cadet academy and i looked but atp seems to be the best way to get there
@@uzumakilol1288 i dunno,swayne did modular,worked fine
what about those 2 blond sisters in the current ATP commercial for it? are they for real or paid actresses for marketing?
hi im a PPL easa holder , im looking for a school to do my atpl and cpl , i live in indonesia now , can you help me some information about some school in europe which is cheaper cost living and have a not a bad flight school , cause im not lookibg for a distance learning , btw where did you do your atp ?
How about their partnership programs?
Ryan how can I contact you? Thanks
helpful video. ATP is located at the same airport my Mom and Pop flight school I currently attend for my PPL. I'm 36 and my discovery flight was at 35, so I paid for the PPL with savings. I'll need a loan if I decide to go to an accelerated school and I didn't like how ATP said they use Sallie Mae, my college loan is through them and they are lairs and cheats! So good to know you can do a private loan. I worked for 15 years in the tech industry so most if it will be paid out of pocket and I want to avoid loans if I can.
For anyone even thinking about flying, GET A CLASS 1 MEDICAL FIRST. If for any reason you can''t get a medical you need to know BEFORE you start dumping money in it. I have heard a lot of stories of people getting sucked into the fun of flying and sinking a lot of time in before the realize they cannot get a medical because of some underlying or psychological issue.
This is great advice, I went to take my 1st class and didn't pass due to my color blind deficiency but what can I do as a career with a 2nd or 3rd class?
Also purchased color blind glasses and will take the first class agian soon but I'm curious about 2nd and 3rd class
@@Steveyg2015 Unfortunately I think you need a first class for any kind of commecial application as a PIC. A 2nd class might allow you SIC commercial privileges, but no one will actually train and pay you if you cant be a PIC.
Knowing nothing about flight im just worried i wont know the steps to go about to becoming a pilot and im gonna waste a lot of time just researching thats why im leaning towards an all included program
if you just want to fly the army national guard allows you to fly with no degree, you just have to have scores showing you're smart enough to start flight training (110 gt on the ASVAB, & a 40 on the SIFT)
thank you so much. does anyone know the best flight school in Phoenix, Arizona?
there are multiple flight schools all around the valley, including two ATP's (one Scottsdale, one Mesa). I did my PPL at Angel in Glendale. Not sure if they're still there, and I know of several others that have closed then reopened. But nearly any bigger airport around town should have some form of school.
If i had to sum up my experience with ATP I'd say that it is the equivalent of purchasing something that's cheaply made in China but still paying a premium price for it.
I'm 22 looking to start my flight career and become a commercial pilot. However I have zero flight time, and people I know already started at age 19, 20.
probably because they didnt got to college
Becoming a train driver is much better as a train driver is a public servant and job and retirement are rock solid.Becoming pilot has little future as domestic lines have been replaced by high speed trains with Korean and Chinese electric trains having reached 600km/h on traditional rail and 1200km/h will be in low pressure tube.
am from Ghana and how can you help me to study at the ATP school.
In what state or country is he in?
So I’m better than off taking the 58000 two year course closer to my home than going to atp