Dana White On James Toney After UFC 118 Loss - MMA Weekly News
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UFC president Dana White talks to the media about James Toney following the boxer's UFC 118 submission loss to Randy Couture. Get more MMA and UFC news at the World's top MMA News website www.mmaweekly.com - Sport
Boxers can do well in the UFC but they must have solid BJJ like the Diaz brothers. Boxing alone won't cut it.
But if they are trained in other aspects of martial arts they aren't a boxer they are a mixed martial artist
connor has been doing well boxing these guys.
Justin Maloney He has a very underrated ground game. Plus he does much more than boxing...
Justin Maloney yeh Conor mcgregor is a black belt in taekwondo and karate. He keeps his distance
you got to learn wrestling or bjj to stop takedowns, as for stopping leg kicks, it's not easy to stop them, you have to condition the leg to withstand it
It's cool that Dana White still showed his his respect for boxing, but after seeing the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight I think we can all agree that boxing is dead boring.
Peter Zwart Amen to that.
+Peter Zwart You can watch many GSP, Jon Fitch, Ben Askren fights and consider them boring. MMA is shorter than boxing so at least if it is boring the match isn't as long but there are exciting and boring fights in either sport.
+Peter Zwart floyd exploits a lot of boxing rules and his environment he chooses "las vegas, nevada" in order to win. Truth is pacquiao really won that fight. compubox was horrible and inaccurate.
people who haven't boxed before will think the maypac fight was boring, people who know what they are watching will say it was a superb fight between two elites. i train muay thai and our Kru said it was beautiful and demonstrated pure skill of movement and accuracy
PeeZzz again ho built that fight the dulisunal fucking fans,I knew the fight would be a one way boxing lesson and not much action ! Casual Fan !
In a fight it's better to be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Tim sylvia is a bum, though.
***** watch all of his other fights.
+grizzlytomahawk it depends on how good That person is.
+Doug Johnson nah he beat up randy couture 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Randy is half his size and twice his age and wrecked him. Lol
Thank you. I hope to find the time and energy for it one day soon.
I took boxing for 2 years, and know the sport pretty well. And I will be the first to say that boxing, just by itself, will lose to MMA 9 times out of 10. Why? Because you are talking about 1 limited style (boxing- punching) vs. 2-3 styles (MMA- kickboxing, wrestling, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu =grappling, submissions, punches, knees, & kicks).
A boxer's strength comes from two things- his footwork AND his punching technique. You take away his ability to move, or you take away his legs, he will lose all his power. Don't believe me- watch "Boxer vs. Kickboxer" by newburghzchamp on CZcams. Or just watch the James Toney vs. Randy Couture fight.
What Randy Couture did in that fight was smart fighting- using Toney's disadvantage against him. He knew by wrestling Toney to the ground, he (Toney) would lose all his punching power, which would be a good setup for a BBJ submission.
However, I would like to see an MMA fighter stand up and a fight a boxer in an MMA with no wrestling, just kicks, knees, and punches. Even then, the boxer would likely lose, but it would be a more entertaining and longer fight.
A boxer is a master of the fists if he connects with 4oz gloves you're going down!
boxing way better. Less animalistic and more of a technique. I dont like watching guys getting knee hits while they down to the damn ground. and its not soft lol its just human reaction. Its interesting? ye ofc it is but its way too brutal. Boxing already does brain dmg parkinson etc imagine those
Ca- Blaze It's iligal to knee a downed opponent in the head. And boxing have 5-6 deaths a year, MMA got one in 21 years :p
christoffer granberg
well really thats weird they almost punch with bare knuckles. I saw some fights like Rampage vs silva and u see gets knockdown and then 3 punches while he is down. I saw pride as well that guy nogueira took some brutal beating from Fedor. i Dont get how they dont die lol
Ca- Blaze I think it's cuz they got good refs that stops it before it's too late. But idk, there hasnt been any brain damage yet either. In boxing, when they get knocked down, they have a chance to get up and get knocked down again so maybe that's why it's more damaging. But maybe we have to wait 20 years to see the brain damage, idk :s
When boxers trash MMA they are only coming with their weapons which are only consisted of ther two hands.... If you think of warfare the infantry cannot win the war alone..... They need recon and air support and let's not talk about naval support. So with all respect due to boxing.... the former champions sound ridiculous in thinking that two fist can overcome 2 fist.. two elbows, two feet and shins.... We won't even get into the ground game.... Let us learn from each other for we are only but modern day gladiators.... In the end we must all adapt because fighting methods evolve and only dead men remain stagnant.... Just my humble opinion... peace.
Tyson Fury vs Cain Velasquez
Lol
Every boxer wants to box a ufc fighter. James Toney was willing to do it in the cage. In retrospect, this earns Toney nothing but love, respect and admiration, from me.
@MikeScott91 great point, but people never think like that
I only have two questions after watching this video. Did James Toney ask for a fight, and did he get one?
@amritaherbs the issue isn't who would win in a MMA style match (MMA vs Special "Delta" Force Military guys), but about a fight to the death match. Have you considered how those delta force guys would be so unorthodox?
It's funny you say that. I took Tang Soo Do for 4 years, and that's what most of it felt like. I passed my black belt test and did not even go to the initiation to get the belt. It was no longer and excited moment, so I stayed home and wished I would had spent the last 4 years in BJJ. I really wish I would had taken wrestling when I was a kid through high school. I had no idea it was the foundation for fighting.
you are right just let my emotions get the best of me i hate how ppl compare to diffrent sports.
@thewhitehermit well ive been a boxer for 3 years. before i joined boxing i was all about mma. i never missed a fight. the only thing that has changed for me is i watch a litttle more boxing than mma now, but that is so i can learn from other fighters. I have respect for mma fighters.
That fight had the obvious result even with all the pressure on randy, with that said one of my all time favorites junior dos santos was a pure boxer, no doubt he had been trained for cage fighting but he was a boxer, and until cain part 2 he was an unstoppable killer
A few things, MMA fighters totally respect boxing as that is on of the things they train in to become better all around fighters. They know that if they don't learn boxing skills that they have less of a chance then if they do. They also try to learn everything else with strikes as well as try to learn all aspects of the ground game as well. Someone who learns wrestling as well as bjj will have more skills then someone who learns just one aspect. Then there is always the lucky punch equalizer.
@thewhitehermit smart to know more than one fighting style. Against an average joe, tear them up on your feet. Against a fighter of a different syle that has counters to boxing, such as takedowns and throws you have to know their style too.
Glad you agree. White is not interested in answering questions about fighting styles more than he is interested in defending MMA vs. other combat sports. White knew what was going to happen to Toney matched against Randy. He would have not risked smearing MMA's reputation with a fight between Toney and JDS or Anderson Silva who are fighters that do not go for take-downs.
1:51 Toney after the ankle pick
So true!
@skatex95
thats great to hear hopefuly he will be really polite
I wouldn't have minded watching Toney fight someone who wants to stand in Bang. But Randy was a horrible matchup. An Olympic Greco Wrestler vs a strict boxer.
in the ufc you dont choose your opponent, dana chooses it for you!
If you want to see him stand and "bang" go watch his boxing matches.
It was really a set up knowing toney pound for pound can knock anybody out in that ring if they all stood up with the champion
@thewhitehermit
i absolutely agree with you! I dont get why boxers think they are better fighters thatn MMA fighters, no one questions that they are better BOXERS thatn MMA guys.
And we dont see wrestlers going out there saying that they are better wrestlers than MMA guys, or BJJ masters saying they are better in BJJ than MMA fighters are...
Ground fighting is not better than standing I think what you mean is MMA is better than standing. Not one skill set is better than another the combination of both is whats dominant
James Toney is a real man
I exposed you like I would expose that "straight punch" lol!
Why is this new to people like Bfor ufc when I was growing up we always knew a boxer can't mess with a wrestler on the ground and a wrestler can't trade with a boxer like but people who don't fight think they know something people don't lol
@kpak2puc thanks. the majority of my friends are boxers and they feel the same way i do. Its like a sprinter and a long distance runner. its still running but they arent the same.
its crazy to think that in the ufc there are guys who were d1 wrestlers bjj black belts along with boxing or muay thai. they could kick anyones ass in a number of ways
@MikeScott91 it all depends on the rules. inotherwords you are assuming that your opponent is going to fight within the mma rules. just suppose it was a special forces guy that has been trained to look for the kill in hand to hand combat. my point is don't get to excited about applying these to a street fight.
@rahaji215 There wasn't any rolling, unless you counted randy's fist rolling against tony's face.
I respect what you said, I grew up the same way and I train as well (in both sports) however, boxing is the most practical in a street fight ONLY BECAUSE most don't know MMA moves, jui jitsu is by far the best tool in a street fight, it's a self defense type of style and if you box then you know that when you throw a punch you leave yourself exposed, someone that knows Jui will snatch your exposed ass up in a heart beat, fight over....
Dana has done a GREAT job at the UFC and for the sport of MMA but cut your BS dude. He says he was nervous for the fight but then says the short ass fight lasted a lot longer than excepted lol Dana knew exactly that Toney didn't have a chance in this fight DID try to show up boxing. He would have NEVER matched Toney up with a striker like Liddell.
I agree, BJJ is a good self defense tool, the only reason imo it's not THE most practical is because a lot of fights are not 1 on 1 and are not clean but BJJ is the best grappling art and goes perfectly with boxing. I've trained BJJ and it is effective because if the cops show up it's easier to claim self defense with a choke than knocking his teeth out with boxing. As for the exposure, if the punch is fast and tight enough, it shouldn't be too big a deal. haymaker = exposed.
@Stevofxx Most of the street fights go to the ground at some point. its not intentional. also MMA is not just ground game Boxing is included, as well as elbows etc. being a good boxer would improve your MMA automatically. MMA includes boxing, Boxing does not include MMA. thats what makes MMA more efficient. Who you think will do better in a street fight. A boxer or a boxer that also knows wrestling.
@RunWhilstYouCan Closer to like 245... and probably 255-265 between fights... Vitali is slightly heavier
@mancillas86 other than the skinhead part, you are correct, boxers specialize in punching standing up, and defending against punches, where as MMA fighters have to learn all sorts of ways to fight. it would be stupid for an MMA fighter to step into the ring with a high level boxer, as it is also stupid that a boxer would choose to step into the cage against an elite grappler or wrestler. MMA is fighting, boxing is punching, the winner in a real fight would usually be the MMA fighter.
@amritaherbs i agree but I would add that the military special forces guy ONLY practices those tactics in simulation and in training. He will do them without having to think about doing it. The MMA guy only practices what will work in a sporting event. Making the adjustment to fight to the death will not be automatic for the MMA guy. The MMA guys are badasses, I am not saying that they are not, consider the disadvantages a man that fights for sport has to a man that fights soley to kill.
Mayweather vs mcgregor in the octagon bring that boxer in the octagon to get his ass kicked
@gat0rbball toney and kimbo would of been a good one cuz both fighters are trying to get some shine/hype in the ufc... yes both fighters, sub par ground game, but would that mean, a straight forward strike match, which is in my opinion more entertaining than a ground battle where both fighters are tryin to submit each other... not matter what the issue, i would of watched that fight just to see what happens
what do his look have to do with fighting?
@KOOLJDJ the UFC was born and fighters from all aspects stepped up. Gracie popularized jiu jitsu and showed how important the ground game is.
Anderson Silva wants to fight Roy Jones Jr in a boxing match once he retires from MMA and Roy accepted, don't know if it will happen anymore though.
@81tflores i think what he meant to say is that mma contains many discpilines including boxing, just like "fruits" contains many kinds of fruits, including apples
@ashworthsteven A quick double leg to someone on concrete can be very effective and BJJ has a lot of usefulness as well especially for being non lethal, the U.S. military actually uses it.
@Leinster4life13 LOL!! Why is it that every page you go on now you have some boxing fan saying that MMA fighters should fight a boxer in a boxing match?
@koko1914 Lol, thanks for the correction.. That actually does make alot of sense..
I always thought boxers were the most dangeous fighting athletes.Looking at boxers Toney/Mercer/Nishijima combined record outside boxing :10 fights 9 losses (2ko,1tko,5 submissions,1 decision),1 win (knockout),im not so sure.
Obviously its due to them being past their peak but i guess even prime boxers would probably have a 30% chance in the octagon?
boxing is big money for all to watch. MMA is extreme fighting , but the audience is also smaller.
now that both kimbo and toney are out of the ufc.. the mma should try to put something together.. ppl would pay to watch that fight, everything has a price
@UpDaDubs34 Klitscho's are heavyweights, and they are so much wider, Wladimir is like 220 pounds. Whats Anderson Silva? 185 pounds? besides just because his contract runs out in 4 fights doesn't mean he will leave the UFC, every fighter has a 4 fight contract every year if they keep winning that is.
james toney vs kimbo slice
James Toney would have KOed chuck liddell because Chuck would have stood with him.
@UpDaDubs34 Silva did fight in England, he was the Champion about maybe a year ago. But Silva seems to lanky for boxing lol. Why does Silva only have 4 fights left?
@michael g Dana said he wud make the fight with fury vs Velasquez and said he will get smashed and any right minded person would agree fury vs Cain in mma? Fury gets steamrolled and has a few dents beaten into the side of his head no comparison
@UpDaDubs34 I heard rumours about that lol, but come on Roy Jones JR in his prime was just sick, Anderson wouldn't of had a chance, but Jones is old now. But both sports I love, I just like Boxing more being English we are brought up with it, besides the UFC only comes like once a year and we get Bisping main event lol each to their own. But I love a good old MMA KO.
@zidane583 As opposed to Hong Man Choi? Right...
@ThePintoAce No. It really doesnt. Some good fights, yeah. But cards. No.Almost every fighter in the UFC 118 card would contend a main event at Strikeforce.
@kingkevinjoy Randy Couture was 47 in that fight, James Toney was 42.....
ya i advise people to train in kick-boxing or muay-thai. boxing is good for punching technique, but like you said it doesnt work in mma and will likely get you kicked in the face...
@JoeCrazyEyes Shanes loss to brock was more of a sign of his bad boxing then anything, he rushed in there with no technique after he hurt him and got so tired that he lost the fight, and that's beside the fact that beating brock lesnar in a boxing match isn't exactly a tall order.
what is your point?
PLEASEEEE put your top heavyweight in mma against vitali klitschko and see if he ever gets out of the ring with his brain in tact ..
Bottom line is groundfighting is better than standup. the debate is over
@DONALDODAVISINI I agree a trained mma fighter has a huge advantage over a boxer. Its a stupid arguement to compare them. Toney just looked so sloppy, Tyson was so fast and powerful. His heart was huge and I honestly don't think it would have been the same fight. Couture may have come out with the win still, but no way would he have been so dominant IMO
@Trexty4 Joe Louis turned down a fight with Helio Gracie in the 50s. Helio was 130 pounds lighter than Louis and offered to fight him no holds barred
MMA beats boxing 9/10 times. Boxing is a great sport, boxing is a huge part of MMA, but its only a portion of the many disciplines. Nothing against boxers, but I don't understand why the keep trying to bash our sport when we don't bash their's, come on. Randy proved it again, wish they would just stop trying to call everyone out
boxing to me is another martial art just like muay thai or jiu jitsu or wrestling or judo
I would scream "internet waaaarrrrriooorrr" like Rocky screams "Adddriaaaan" but that would give you 2 much credit. :)
Toney would have had a better chance at beating JDS or Anderson Silva. A boxer against a wrestler with submissions in an MMA match leaves little chance for the boxer.
@Trexty4 You do realize that there are more combat sports than boxin right. Like kickboxing(MMA fighters dominate at) Maui Thia (same)
@1234pottsie Actually Chuck Liddell has a great ground game. He chooses to strike. You just cannot last in MMA unless you can do everything. You dont have to be Great at everything, but if you are lacking, you dont last more than a fight or two.
lets put it like this if a boxer and a mma fighter got in a street fight the mma fighter would win but if you put a mma fighter in a boxing ring than the boxer would win and vice versa....
wow...
dana actually being very respectful, thats a first.
this makes me actually think twice about dana, i kinda like him lol XD
JDS started his roots in BJJ. From Brazil, thats what they learn first.
@JoeCrazyEyes Why are you bringing up fedor vs Werdum in a boxing debate? That fight ended in submission and werdum uses muay thai anyway while fedor uses sambo boxing
Boxing is a good sport. MMA is a good sport. Leave it at that.
LOL there's more money in boxing if you're someone who's easy to sell, not just talent.
Also it isn't ALL about the money, it's a huge bonus yes, but most have been doing things other than boxing for most of their life. Just keep thinking what you want kid.
@startmatt09
na man strikeforce has some sick cards
Well you gotta give respect to James Toney because he at least stepped in he ring to test the Boxing/MMA myth.
... unless youre anderson silva.
@jason bean jake shields is no good?? tell that to dan henderson, yushin okami, carlos condit, robbie lawler and all the other great fighters he's beaten...
@Stangzman55 yeah him and jones jr said they would love to get in the ring with each other. ive seen anderson box and he isnt bad at all. but jones in an animal in the ring. It'll definatly be interesting!
@bnsaints Wrestlers are generally stronger fighters who find it easy to impose their will, often making their opponents force to fight their fight. Wrestling is also incredibly tiring compared to sparring with strikes, or grappling on the mat. therefore often the wrestler is not just the stronger fighter, but has more cardio and explosiveness. Wrestling is the most dominant form of MMA. absolute Fact. if you disagree with that, you need to do your homework, kid.
Back in the day "real men" stood in lines in open fields and shot at eachother too, but times change my friend.
boxing is one sport and mma another can not be compared at all but this one thing i can say mma fighters use boxing in there stanz in throwing a jab, you dont see mma utilized in boxing now i want to see a mma fighter go in the ring with a boxer but a great boxer like miguel cotto,mickey garcia,canelo alvarez lets see mma fighter be men and stand toe to toe with out grabbing have nothing against mma but real men stand toe to toe with out grabbing...
1st off I'm a big boxing fan, much more so than MMA... I think the boxers that come into MMA underestimate the grappling ability of the MMA fighter. Those assume their superior boxing ability is all thats needed to win (how foolish). With that said there are successful MMA fighters that are much better standing up, train not to be taken down, when down how to defend and escape. The boxer crossing over is basically a crash dummy in that regards, and needs at least a year training for that.
@gat0rbball
Chill. I was just saying that Kimbo is not good enough to represent our beautiful sport. I would like to see how a boxer would do against someone like Lyoto Machida and see if boxing is truely the best to fight hand to hand.
Dana White has a big fucking HEAD!! And boxing and MMA are the same thing! A fight is a fight! Whether it's on the floor or not!
@bnsaints i don't need to do anything of the sort. i know what i am talking about. what i have stated is pure fact, the only part of my claim that can be argued as untrue, is the part where i said '7/10' as that is an estimate. when a striker fights a wrestler in MMA, you pick the wrestler, everybody knows that. all it takes is one takedown and the entire round is OFTEN won. wheras in striking, yeah hit them a few times, but how often are 1 punch KO's?
The boxing world is mad because they are upset about the FACT that boxing is just 1 aspect of fighting like joe rogan said.MMA is the total package ,it represents elite fighting.Boxing is just 1 of many techniques in fighting.again like joe rogan said:MMA is the sport of fighting,boxing is the sport of punching.You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure out just because of the fact that mma is the sport of fighting,it will be the next big thing wether people like it or not.
comparing MMA and Boxing isnt like comparing apples and oranges. Its like comparing Apples and Fruit
Rampage called out James Toney because James Toney talked shit about him PERIOD. Rampage isn't after boxing he's after BOXERS WHO DON'T RESPECT THE GAME. God can you READ? Yep I watched that interview where rampage gave props to the klitschko brother I also watched when Zab Judah said that MMA was more fun to watch than boxing LOL. Mike Tyson said the same thing AND Ricky Hatton said that boxing could learn from the UFC. So many boxers have bowed down to the ufc and mma lol.
I want to see Rampage vs Toney in a boxing match. Toney has been talking a lot of shit about Rampage and Rampage wants to fight him in a boxing match. Rampage is no light weight in boxing he did do K1 for a while before jumping to mma, i think that would be a good fight.
@falseistrue Did you know Toney tap out King Mo in training, But why was he so helpless in the couture fight? Because in training they focus on one thing there he could focus on grappling only and tap out Mo, but in the real fight, you have to make that psychological switch in seconds, Now there is punches, submissions and elbows coming at you, you are on the ground and the Ref is not there to stand you up like in boxing. I think that is harder to deal with. Cont.
@tazer74 a certain style of boxer could compete in mma.
You are 100% correct! These clowns think MMA is real street fighting. I lived in the hood and I must have seen 1000 street fights! I never saw anyone in an arm bar or leg bar or rolling around on the floor wrestling. Streets fights are usually quick and are really mainly punches being thrown.
@falseistrue In Boxing when I got hurt I could avoid punches until I recovered. In MMA that is harder to do. Because you are hurt but punches and kicks are coming from high and low. In MMA almost all fighter have at least a loss, its because the sport is difficult to survive in. is harder to cover weaknesses. In Boxing one guy will be undefeated for a long time because he does not have to adapt as much. Dont bitch if Toney had a wrestler opponent. IF he is a true fighter he needs to adapt.
@1007hughes Yes I agree alot need to start at the age of 10 and do amazing in amateurs ABA fights then keep an unbeaten record in the pro's until 15-0 to even be noticed. Randy Couture is called a hall of famer in the MMA world, record 19wins-11losses, in the boxing world that record would get you fired. As for MMA alot can start at the age of 25 train for 1 year and be in the UFC.
@jamesadams117
and the last SF card , SF houston, was great, i thought it was beter than a lot of UFC cards considering UFC has a lot more power and money. that card was stacked and xciting. lawal vs Vitor Belfort X2 , Jacare vs TIm Kennedy, KJ, vs Gurgel, Lashely vs Griggs,, Cornier vs Riley. of course most ppl who call themselves "mma fans" dont know most of these guys and just say that they are minor league fighters even though they nvr even watched them fight