Getting Destroyed Kayaking the Chattahoochee section 3 at 6.8 feet

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2022
  • My wife Tracey, friend Charlie, and myself bite off more than we can chew. Well, Charlie was able to make it all the way and even saved our boats! He's our hero! We thought the river was at 4 or 4.5 but it turns out the river had started to surge gotten to 6.8 feet by the time we got on. Next time we will exercise better judgement for sure!

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  • @ageb035
    @ageb035 Před 11 měsíci +67

    Glad everyone is ok! This was close to ending very differently. Hopefully, new boaters can learn several things from this video. Never get on a flooded river unless you and your team have solid rescue skills, and a roll. Always have the inexperienced boater(s) in the middle of the group, NEVER lead a swimmer into entanglement hazards while trying to get them out of the water. (She was incredibly lucky not to have gotten trapped on a strainer), If a member of your group disappears like she did, you DO NOT continue down the river; she could have easily been trapped with no one there to help and it is incredibly dangerous to continue down a flooded river solo, (as later seen in the video). People over boats, too much in this video was on saving the boat. Get the swimmer(s) out safely, then your team gets out, regroup, and go to plan B. I always appreciate people posting videos like this so others can learn and hopefully stay safe on the river.

    • @tims7250
      @tims7250 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Yep, this is how people die by keep rolling the dice without enough forethought, planning and rescue

    • @thenewfire
      @thenewfire Před 10 měsíci

      Couldn't believe he took her into that entangled bank. Literally tried to kill her. Every decision made in this video was wrong

    • @itomba
      @itomba Před 10 měsíci +10

      Probably one of the most irresponsible boating videos I have ever seen. These folks had no business whatsoever on this river.

    • @joshhobbs3771
      @joshhobbs3771 Před 10 měsíci +1

      this is a great comment. I'd add a few more things, but this sums it up enough.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +4

      You are very right and I appreciate it. We learned so much that day!

  • @chris082681
    @chris082681 Před měsícem +6

    I knew this was going to be eventful within the first 2 seconds.

  • @KZ-yu4jz
    @KZ-yu4jz Před 10 měsíci +16

    Great video of what not to do. Seriously thanks for sharing. We all make poor choices, posting this video is a great reminder of a river that is normally in our skillset that can morph into a much more difficult beast.

  • @DaveTheKayaker
    @DaveTheKayaker Před 4 měsíci +3

    Thanks for posting this. Your breathing when you capsized (and the rest of the way) tells the entire story. Things can go very wrong very quickly when rivers are at flood stage and sometimes it is best to leave the launching boat ramp and go grab a coffee instead. The water sets the rules. Always. Man, glad y'all are OK. That could have ended very differently.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 3 měsíci

      Yep, getting some pizza would have definitely been the better day! But on the plus side, we lived and learned a lot and have become much smarter boaters.

  • @kevin179887
    @kevin179887 Před 8 měsíci +4

    I am glad everyone is ok. I appreciate you exposing yourself to the internet's harsh scrutiny to let others learn from your mistake. We all need to keep safety in mind. Thank you!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's what I was thinking. Definitely not a how to do things right kind of day! Thank you for not chewing me up and spitting me out. I assume those people think I'm proud of this day or something maybe.

    • @kevin179887
      @kevin179887 Před 5 měsíci

      I think it says a lot about you. You made an unintentional mistake and shared it with others so they can see the perspective and learn from your mistakes. Truly someone I want in my corner.

    • @DaveTheKayaker
      @DaveTheKayaker Před 4 měsíci

      @@toekneegreen37 I'm thinking this is providing a valuable service to others to warn them about what not to get into and how badly things can go if you underestimate a high, rapid river.

  • @stsumo
    @stsumo Před 10 měsíci +4

    You started with one kayak and ended up with another. That's a crazy ride. Glad you all made it out of there.

  • @Jay369
    @Jay369 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Very easy to be critical of this. I'm shocked that this even happened. Definitely happy they all made it out alive and seriously hope they will take up some professional training with qualifed/experienced clubs/kayakers.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      We learned more from this one day than anything else. And it has prompted us do more and get better and better. In fact later this month we will be getting our level 4 swift water rescue certification :)

    • @taitfreeman9421
      @taitfreeman9421 Před měsícem

      ​@@toekneegreen37 yall should just rest comfortably on a couch somewhere. Leave the outdoors to others.

  • @SimplyTheBethWalsh
    @SimplyTheBethWalsh Před 9 měsíci +1

    Heart pounding. I too am glad you shared this. It's a good reminder to think ahead and be prepared. No flooded rivers for me, thanks.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      We have since improved and learned our lessons. If I do this river again at this level, it would be a much more boring video... Which I prefer lol

  • @alowatsakima8950
    @alowatsakima8950 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great video. There is no substitute for experience. I use to teach "Safety Afloat" to boy scout adults. I always started off each session asking how many people had had life threading experiences on water. amazingly there was almost 80% of people raising their hands. River at flood are always dangerous. We got on the Chattahoochee above Helen in our whitewater kayaks late one afternoon. As we came around a curve in the river we could see tree tops. We got out to scout. It was a large, double drop waterfall. There was no mention of this waterfall in the river guide book we had. We tethered our kayaks together and slowly started lowering them along the waterfall. Well, one kayak slid over into the river and filled with water. Quickly all of them were full of water. We spent an hour getting them all out and getting back on the river. It was beginning to get dark and it was hard to see the rocks in the river when we finally arrived at our takeout. After that, never got on a river I didn't know after noon. That was the second time I had taken out at dark. Saved my bacon several years later when my buddies wanted to get on a class V river, didn't know the water level, didn't know the river, I waited for them at the take out. Two walked out. One got chased by a bull and hung up on an electric fence, one had gone over a waterfall backwards and hurt his arm and cracked his helmet, and one made it to the take out. We got a motel that night. The next day went back in to get the kayaks that were left. A friendly farmer took us to the edge of the canyon at the back of his property where we hiked in and got the kayaks, and paddled them down the rest of the river to the take out.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      Experience is the best teacher! Lessons leaned the hard way stick a little better. Chased by a bull lol... Sitting that one out was definitely the right move.

  • @joshhobbs3771
    @joshhobbs3771 Před 10 měsíci +3

    step one, get side to side with the capsized boat.
    step two, Cockpit facing you pull sideways and push back of boat down (float bags are stored here).
    step three, Once you push down pull front across boat emptying it of water and slide to other side.
    step four, wayyy lighter to tow to shore.

  • @davidaearthy
    @davidaearthy Před rokem +3

    Dam, I was panicking before you even started!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před rokem

      Lol, I probably should've panicked more and said skipping it.

  • @rodneycaupp5962
    @rodneycaupp5962 Před 8 měsíci +1

    We bought a brand new 18 ft aluminum Canoe in the spring of 74 ... one month later wrapped it around a boulder in West Virginia. This Video is very exciting on that exact same level. Right up there with our 400 foot destroyer going under the sea in the F5. Like the song says, " Sometimes water gets rough..."

  • @coltentodhunter7551
    @coltentodhunter7551 Před 8 měsíci +3

    take a swift water rescue course, keeping toes up, and downriver, can also save your life.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci +1

      We have taken 2 so far with plans to take more. Definitely worth it!

  • @reggiepadgett2258
    @reggiepadgett2258 Před 10 měsíci +1

    That is the best shit I have seen in a while. That could be a great short movie. Glad you were ok. Thanks for sharing that. EPIC.....

  • @tommusik5863
    @tommusik5863 Před 10 měsíci +6

    I've seen this so many times out on the river. After paddling for 25 years, I'm of the opinion that class 3 water isn't for people who can't roll. If you don't have the discipline to get your roll down in flatwater first, then class 2, maybe whitewater kayaking isn't for you.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      That wasn't class 3, but the main problem was it was so much higher than what we actually thought it was.

    • @annaharrison7403
      @annaharrison7403 Před 6 měsíci +2

      ​@@toekneegreen37 It is class III at those levels, as defined by the American Whitewater page. I'd recommend looking up the American Whitewater page before going on ANY whitewater run. Even if you thought that the river was at 4 feet, AW says ">4 = High water, additional skill required (III/IV), not good for beginners."
      Please learn basic river safety and the fundamentals like looking up gauges before paddling. This could have easily been fatal. This is a high-risk sport, and should be treated that way. You put yourselves at risk, but you also put the entire sport at risk of being banned from specific rivers. Not to mention the stress and trauma you put on the S&R folks who have to rescue or recover you.

    • @stevethomas760
      @stevethomas760 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@toekneegreen37 Not class III? At a lower level, yes. Glad everyone ended up okay, flooded rivers are a different beast. The Georgia Canoe Association offers excellent whitewater instruction, including river rescue.

  • @markstevens2888
    @markstevens2888 Před 5 měsíci +2

    "Grab a branch or something?" I've cleaned Cl V. Glad you are alive. "Grab a branch or something?!?!" Take a whitewater rescue course. Good gravy.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci +1

      We have since done Rescue Rodeo and Swiftwater L4 with the TVCC :)

    • @chris082681
      @chris082681 Před měsícem

      ​@@toekneegreen37did you also buy a proper paddle?

  • @WestCoastCap
    @WestCoastCap Před 10 měsíci +1

    I have a river near me called the pudding that gets like this during the winter. During the summer months it is nothing but a 1ft deep creek. Very good video. Scary to watch at times.

  • @-CBA-
    @-CBA- Před 9 měsíci +1

    hell of a video glad it worked out the hooch is a mean one

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 9 měsíci

      She definitely was that day. Normally a pretty chill river though.

  • @bjornsfather
    @bjornsfather Před 8 měsíci

    Good to see everyone safe. Question, all southern rivers look like poo?😅

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      Lol, they don't all look like poo water. I prefer to think of them as chocolate milk :) Some always look like this but many are crystal clear most of the time. But when they are flooding, yeah they all pretty much look like this cause everything is getting stirred up.

  • @danaharris5357
    @danaharris5357 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Wow. Terrifying. Not to sound like an ahole, but did yall have your combat rolls down before this and just couldn't hit them in those conditions?

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I apparently lost mine that day and Tracey didn't have one yet. But when we put on we thought it was just 4 feet, turns out is crested to nearly 7!!!

  • @josh-mc3bi
    @josh-mc3bi Před měsícem

    wow. glad yall lived. i always wondered what this looks like at flood stage. it's very similar to the hooch below buford dam during a release (class 2-3 when each wave and bump is taken individually, but actually class 4 cause they aren't individual and it's continuous and class 5-5+ if someone swims and needs to get to shore). your video really shows how at flood stage the banks become strainers and it makes for that class 5 swim.
    the hole you flipped in at 18:00 is first ledge of the rapid 3 ledges (second ledge isn't visible, and you got out on top of 3rd ledge). when the river is around 4-ish feet there's potential for a possibly terminal hole on river left, but it was washed out. you probably weren't gonna be able to paddle out even with a bomb proof roll. rolling up doesn't magically get you out of that low head dam kind of hole, and it's got enough power to loop you even if you can stabilize a surf. the technique is frantic paddling on the downstream side while side surfing to claw your way to the edge of the hole where water is flowing past. That's WAY easier to type than to actually do.
    i teach beginners on this section (at normal levels), so i'm intimately familiar with the run. i bet this is actually more difficult at 4 feet because a lot of what I expected to see at the buck island and canoe eating rock section was so far underwater it was out of play. but also at that level if you swim, you aren't going full george of the jungle to get to land.
    as for the recovery. commenters here underestimate the difficulty of getting back upstream. yeah, everything about that was as bad as it could be, but you can't just bippityboppitybloop your boat back upstream to pick someone up. "but he should have caught an edd"[batman slap] THERE ARE NO EDDIES! everything's underwater! for what it's worth if it comes up again, I like to swim in the middle of the river when i'm in the chocolate milk and look downstream for a better place to exit. pushing a capsized kayak is always gonna be a struggle; i like to bump it around so i'm downstream of it, facing upstream at it, with the upstream end of the sunk boat pointing towards the shore i'm trying to go to. put my bow into the sunk boat's cockpit and that lets me paddle with both hands (try it on the lake sometime). i use that method more than the rescue cowtail on my pfd. once again, easier to type than to do cause pushing a capsized creekboat in current is like stopping a ford f150 someone left in drive. also it's nice when everyone has practiced a boat over boat rescue and deepwater reentry. probably wouldn't have been successful here, but having options is good and swimming an empty boat in is more realistic.
    anyone worth paddling with has been in a situation where they realized they made a critical oopsie. glad yall kept at it.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před měsícem

      We definitely shouldn't have been on the water at this time but we learned from our mistakes and took some safety classes and are much better off for it. All your points are spot on, probably the best advice I've gotten from this video! Thank you very much.

    • @LarryK-jg6iw
      @LarryK-jg6iw Před 15 dny

      @@toekneegreen37 It's not just about the numbers on the river gauge. You thought it was four and it turned out to be six or seven. But if I heard you right, even four was about twice what you usually ran it. That should have been cause for extreme caution right there, even under the BEST of conditions! The level didn't matter. The picture the river was presenting was all you really needed to make the proper decision. The SPEED and COLOR of the current and the greater WIDTH of the river with continuous foliage obliterating the banks + two inexperience decked boaters and one paddler on a sit-on-top = "GO HOME."
      IMHO, these are the question EVERY boater should ask themselves before EVERY river trip:
      1. Do I have the minimum skills necessary to run this river at this level?
      2. Do at least one or two members of my party unquestionably have far greater skills than mine?
      3. Do we have an adequate number of members within our party to render necessary aid to each other as may be required (Note: A pair of fully qualified Class V boaters taking on the Cataracts of the Kern at high water are about three boaters shy of a full deck!! And we see videos of this all the time.)
      4. Who's the recognized group leader? Who are the weakest links in the chain and need the most support? Who are the designated sweep boaters who will allow NO other members of the group to drift behind the pack?
      5. Is everyone adequately equipped with protective and rescue equipment? For those not experienced in swift water rescue, do they understand that if an emergency occurs, their first order of business is to paddle to safety and/or continue in such fashion that they do not risk making the situation worse.
      The most important of these questions and answers are 2 thru 5. You can step up in class and take on new white water risks if you are adequately supported. Questions 2 thru 5, however, are particularly critical if YOU the person helping others take that step up. Five more beginners in the above video, however, would have merely resulted in more shrapnel in the hand grenade.

  • @atamisk21
    @atamisk21 Před 6 měsíci

    This is why I love my packraft. If you go out, you just flip it and hop right back in.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      Yeah, my friends in the Torrent ended up making it all the way to the end. Because when he came out he just got right back in. My roll is way better now though.

  • @williamskinner5545
    @williamskinner5545 Před 3 dny

    Wow finally the internet has spoken in solitude

  • @bullseyepete8367
    @bullseyepete8367 Před 11 měsíci

    W in the heck did he find your kayaks? I've done the flint twice at flood stage. It wasn't this big but it is unnerving when you cant see over the next wave. We had one concussion, i lost iphone and 3 over adrenalined kayakers

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 11 měsíci +1

      lol, yeah that sounds about right! The kayaks got stuck and Charlie picked them up and towed them on his sit on top Torrent. Definitely the hero of this story.

  • @davebishop2566
    @davebishop2566 Před rokem +3

    I watched this start to end. I’m glad it turned out ok. Last time I swam was in the Arkansas River in Browns Canyon. Something you never forget. Part of the sport that you need to be trained and prepared for.
    This video is a great training video. Thanks for sharing.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před rokem +1

      Yep, we learned a lot from this. A lot of what not to do for sure.

    • @davebishop2566
      @davebishop2566 Před rokem +1

      @@toekneegreen37 I’m from Colorado and more less a beginner. Most rivers around here go from class 1-4 it seems like. Having a friend around is a something special. Loosing your boat around here seems like a normal thing. There are lost and found Facebook pages for lost paddles and boats. As a beginner it’s a hard pill to swallow. I saw a video earlier today of a hydraulic with pieces of an orange boat in it. These rivers are powerful and unforgiving. Just a reminder that I need to stay in my lane. Hopefully I won’t have to put out an ad asking if anyone has seen my boat.

  • @tntdoug2175
    @tntdoug2175 Před 5 měsíci +1

    You guys were out classed. Should have never been on the river. Glad everyone is safe and had on pfd's.

  • @seanohaimheirgin1047
    @seanohaimheirgin1047 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Good lord! I've no idea how you survived that!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Luck, fairly certain it was just pure luck lol

  • @oldreliable303
    @oldreliable303 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Ive run this at 7'2" and its not bad, there are a few holes to stay out of, and trees, and if like me you can not roll, do not go for your boat go for the bank. Your boat will be highway 52 for pick up.

  • @rickymcdaniel7971
    @rickymcdaniel7971 Před 8 měsíci +3

    This is a series of bad decisions. I've been paddling for 23 years. Let me share with you some things that I've learned.
    It's O.K. to turn around and go home, or go to an easier river because plan A was too high.
    Flood stage adds the danger of the side of the river is all up in the trees, but you certainly know that now!
    When I do a "Step up" run, I make sure that I'm one of the weaker paddlers in the group. I want people who are familiar with the run at the current flow and I want people who act quickly and know how to rescue.
    I've been invited on trips that I thought might turn into a shit show and turned down the invitation. I do my best to avoid shit shows. I will admit that it's been a while, but I have been the shit show more than once.
    Learn how to swim using your paddle, instead of swimming one handed while dragging it. It makes a world of difference.
    If I ever left my wife like that, I'd be sleeping with the dog indefinitely!
    Be safe out there!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      You are right, all true. We learned the hard way unfortunately. I can say we know now though :)

    • @rickymcdaniel7971
      @rickymcdaniel7971 Před 5 měsíci

      Last February, I was on a guided trip in Ecuador. We drove to the take out and the level looked fine. When we got to the put in, our guide said it looked a little juicy, but O.K. By the time we got geared up and took off the river had come up about 2 feet. We ran the first set of rapids and walked out. That first set of rapids was very exciting!

  • @Christgoldberg
    @Christgoldberg Před 8 měsíci

    Glad everyone is ok, a lot of poor decisions made but hi d sight is 20-20. Hope you all learned a lot and aren't taking unnecessary risks like this anymore. It was like watching a horror movie, every time i was thinking "dont do that", "that" was done. Stay safe out there.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      We have definitely improved since then. "That" was done way too much lol, you are very right about that.

  • @submitcyber
    @submitcyber Před rokem +1

    That was very intense.

  • @GeorgiaPaddler
    @GeorgiaPaddler Před 11 měsíci

    I can’t believe you guys didn’t tell me about your CZcams channel. I new it was y’all when I heard Tony’s laugh!

  • @pcifuentes0
    @pcifuentes0 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Is obvius that you don't have many experience in Whitewater. That Is a class 1-2 big water sección, u don't have the correct equipmet for white water. Glad that you ara alive.

  • @tims7250
    @tims7250 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Brown water would be an indicator of later trouser colour 😁

  • @alexvalentine1536
    @alexvalentine1536 Před 3 měsíci

    I've put in on this at 8ft and by the time we hit take out about 25 minutes later it was 11 ft. Fun river at those flows if you know how to navigate the holes and have bomb proof roll.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 3 měsíci

      Yep, I've learned many lessons that day. I've improved a good bit since then I think :)

  • @eldril1009
    @eldril1009 Před 11 měsíci

    oof tuff day glad everyone came out well

  • @pauljones3779
    @pauljones3779 Před 5 měsíci +1

    So the dude went and rescued the boat before he even knew if his friends were alive or not? Be careful who you boat with!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      He's a great guy. We all learned a lot that day.

  • @BirdDogg
    @BirdDogg Před 10 měsíci +7

    At least you checked off everything to not do on a paddling trip… Literally did everything wrong from start to finish… drug your lady into a strainer , walked across a ledge 🤦🏻‍♂️, totally inexperienced boaters in way over your head. Please don’t be dead… dear lord. Get some training, like seriously, count yourself lucky and boat smarter in the future.. if Tracy ever speaks to you again, you might just want to sell your boat and call it a wash because you are really lucky you didn’t kill yourself or one of them on several occasions here…

    • @thenewfire
      @thenewfire Před 10 měsíci +3

      Attempted murder.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +1

      You realize you commented on a video from last year right? Did you read any of the commentary? Or you just like to be the big man that knows everything?

    • @traceygreen9273
      @traceygreen9273 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Much has been learned over the past year since this incident.

    • @andrewnau433
      @andrewnau433 Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​@traceygreen9273 I hope it was with a qualified instructor and not the "I've done my own research," kinda learning.

    • @BirdDogg
      @BirdDogg Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@toekneegreen37 From day one I’ve known enough to know what I don’t know, and when to not go…

  • @toddolatheks.1328
    @toddolatheks.1328 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Good Lord dude had my heart pumping! Great video though!!! But just so you know, I’d rather not see you die in one of these videos, so if you could do that, I’d greatly appreciate it!

  • @Scurfeild
    @Scurfeild Před 10 měsíci

    glad you posted this as if for nothing else on a lesson on what not to do when going out on a river ,
    always check the river levels , if your going to go on moving water with even a grade 2 rapid you should be either trained or be capable of self or group rescue and have the extra equipment with you to do so , at nearly 12.30 the caption "hoping she made it to shore" , you dont hope you check regardless of a kayak floating off down the river ,,
    this was a complete sh@t show from the beggining and always remember kayaks etc can be replaced , you life carnt !!!
    stay safe on the river glad your all ok

  • @jairusstoudenmire3917

    Tracy just disappeared into the bush! Glad to know she got out safe! All of yall!
    @11:45

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před rokem +1

      I was worried she got pinned under a branch. We learned a lot that day, mostly what not to do lol

    • @joshhobbs3771
      @joshhobbs3771 Před 10 měsíci

      you thought she got pinned under a branch and kept going for the boat!? haha what!! Run Tracy Run!

    • @jairusstoudenmire3917
      @jairusstoudenmire3917 Před 10 měsíci

      @@joshhobbs3771 ... 😆 😂 🤣

  • @brianluisi7616
    @brianluisi7616 Před 6 měsíci

    Rivers at flood are scary fast they also have no eddies, making rescue crazy hard as this video shows, once spent 2 miles fighting the river to find an eddy

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      We thought we knew this river... We did not know this river at 7 feet!

  • @knaz7468
    @knaz7468 Před 9 měsíci

    Good post. Useful learning opportunity!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 9 měsíci

      You are right about that. We learned so very many things!

  • @PRWilson88
    @PRWilson88 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It is easy to judge from a video and not trying to appear judgmental. But, I’d have tried hitting those eddies much further up to see what I could do to help. The amount of strainers I’d be trying to stay calm and find the open spaces without trees.

  • @johnnyweekend
    @johnnyweekend Před 10 měsíci +4

    Wow. With the amount of mistakes and poor kayaking skills that were witnessed I'd suggest you keep to the lakes.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      Lol, you realize you are commenting on a video almost a year old right? Just so you know past me has not taken future you's advice. Present me is very glad I didn't!

    • @johnnyweekend
      @johnnyweekend Před 10 měsíci +2

      @toekneegreen37 ya? your common sense must be off the charts bud 👏

    • @traceygreen9273
      @traceygreen9273 Před 10 měsíci

      @@johnnyweekend he's actually, at this time, one of the best boaters I know (and I know a lot of great boaters) and often leads others and support boats for different groups. This video was from a year ago and much has been learned since that time. For the record, the outfitter stated that the river was around 4 feet and that it would be similar to running the Nantahala.

    • @johnnyweekend
      @johnnyweekend Před 9 měsíci +1

      ya? looks like everyone in this video was lucky they didn't get killed on these class 2 rapids 👏

    • @ajmc802
      @ajmc802 Před 9 měsíci

      🤣🤣

  • @jackk2898
    @jackk2898 Před rokem

    🔥 Editing is key🔥

  • @trendingtigers
    @trendingtigers Před 11 měsíci +1

    Lesson learnt? Flooded rivers are dangerous ,even for skilled paddlers. Flush drowning is very real. Scout , safety. and backup plans

  • @danbev8542
    @danbev8542 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Holy cow! Sooo many basic safety rules broken! A few: 1. Assess the river. It was up in the trees when you put in - many, many lethal strainers ahead! 2. Keep together! 3. When someone swims EVERYONE goes to assist! 4. Get to the swimmer - get your stern loop so they can grab it. 5. The swimmer should hang onto paddle, if they can. The swimmer should grab the stern loop and HANG ON, and KICK in time with the paddle strokes of the boater. WAIT until the water is really shallow - ankle deep- before trying to stand up. Hike to your boat. 6. After the swimmer is safe, get boats & gear. Get boats, gear & swimmer on the same side of the river! 7. DO NOT paddle away from a swimmer until they are safely on shore!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +1

      You don't know what you don't know. It was way above our knowledge and skill level at the time. We weren't trying to do it at this level, the last update of the river gauge had it at 4 feet, but turns out it was freezing to nearly 7! Not even the experts at the outfitters realized the true level. Smartest thing would have been to get back in the van and come back another day!
      Everything worked out, we learned a lot, and now others can hopefully learn from my mistakes : )

  • @ActionAdventureTwins
    @ActionAdventureTwins Před 10 měsíci

    When the branch snaps and the river strainers Tracy..... this becomes apparent it is no longer a joke

    • @ActionAdventureTwins
      @ActionAdventureTwins Před 10 měsíci

      Yo that hooch ain't no joke!! Especially after the dam release. I heard it turns Into a legendary boil right around that time near bowman Island

    • @ActionAdventureTwins
      @ActionAdventureTwins Před 10 měsíci

      One thing is for sure. There is a hell of a lot of trout on the hooch. Big ones too!!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      Never been more scared or felt so powerless

    • @stevethomas760
      @stevethomas760 Před 5 měsíci

      @@ActionAdventureTwins Natural flow here, above the dam

  • @TheChitwoodBrothersKayaking
    @TheChitwoodBrothersKayaking Před 4 měsíci

    Tony, I’m just now watching this for the first time. I haven’t paddled with you for like…. A month. Are you alive? I’m having too see you in the form of CZcams videos. Jeez.

  • @shanemactavish6820
    @shanemactavish6820 Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing. Wow! Glad everyone is ok.

  • @Dramafree2266
    @Dramafree2266 Před 11 měsíci

    Can’t wait to hear what happened off camera

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 11 měsíci +1

      We lived happily ever after :)

    • @Dramafree2266
      @Dramafree2266 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@toekneegreen37 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥relationship goals

  • @Obliticus
    @Obliticus Před 3 měsíci

    So close to total disaster :( try practicing using your paddle to swim. Its very effective and would have made that last crossing noticeably easier

  • @jasonmurdoch2745
    @jasonmurdoch2745 Před rokem

    Damn bro thats some scary shit.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 11 měsíci

      I pooped my pants a little...ok a lot! We learned a lot that day!

  • @tillerjohnsonkayak
    @tillerjohnsonkayak Před 11 měsíci

    Beatdown 😂

  • @thewindroad7794
    @thewindroad7794 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Why did Tracey keep letting gooooo???? Stop letting go!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +2

      She's so silly lol.

    • @traceygreen9273
      @traceygreen9273 Před 10 měsíci +3

      The water was pretty fierce and did not make it easy to hang on 😊

  • @blueridgenomad8713
    @blueridgenomad8713 Před 10 měsíci

    I did that section at 7.1 feet and it is a monster definitely not a run at that flow for beginners but it will definitely humble you

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      Yeah, at the time we didn't know it was so high. Even the outfitter said it was a good level.

  • @deborahsimpson4968
    @deborahsimpson4968 Před rokem

    Damn dude .Big day, eh!

  • @jimhansen3483
    @jimhansen3483 Před 11 měsíci +2

    What were you thinking?! That was a stupid thing to do.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      You can read exactly what I was thinking at the beginning. Do you think we thought it was that high and still wanted to do it. FYI, I will be doing it at that level again.

  • @markstevens2888
    @markstevens2888 Před 5 měsíci

    Oh yeah. Lose the sea kayak paddle with drip guards.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      No longer using rec paddles lol. But you gotta start somewhere I guess

  • @FalconSails
    @FalconSails Před 9 měsíci +1

    What a lesson. It was kind of hard to watch.
    All the strainers scared me just sitting in my office chair.
    For sure improve on skills b4 doing anything close to that.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Have definitely done that! In fact, we just completed our first swift water rescue class!
      We have both grown a ton in the last year. Since then we've done it 5 feet, so much calmer. I have a feeling that next time I see it at 7 feet it won't look like the same river.

    • @FalconSails
      @FalconSails Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@toekneegreen37
      One of the best times in kayaking is sitting around the camp fire as everybody tells stories of their best mistakes. That is fun. We all laugh now and are a lot smarter. Pass the wisdom along. :)

  • @TheZcoffey
    @TheZcoffey Před 10 měsíci +1

    This is some of the poor choices made by unskilled boaters that have no business being on the water at this level. Hope you learned something.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      I guess you can't read. I hope you learn something...

  • @eristicfreethinker2098
    @eristicfreethinker2098 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Completely irresponsible for people with such low skills to be paddling at high water. That was only Class II - III whitewater. Very little maneuvering required; simply stay in the middle, ride the waves and stay out of the trees. At least one paddler/swimmer with no concept of self rescue or how to assist a rescuer made it more dangerous than necessary. I guess this can be seen as a cautionary tale and may save other unskilled/inexperienced paddlers from trying something similar.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      Hate to ruin your moment but that wasn't class 3. That's ok though, it's hard to read a river based on GoPro footage.
      Oh, and just so you know, for the Hooch at that level, you want to generally stay river left, not middle.

    • @annaharrison7403
      @annaharrison7403 Před 6 měsíci

      @@toekneegreen37 It was class III-IV as defined by American Whitewater which is typically what people use if they know what they are doing, man

    • @annaharrison7403
      @annaharrison7403 Před 6 měsíci

      the fact that you keep replying to these things with misinformation about the class shows me that you have made no effort to get educated. Kayaking relies on community & I'm glad you survived this, but if you are making zero effort to learn about how to do this safely I really hope I don't see you on the water

  • @ticklefritz5406
    @ticklefritz5406 Před 10 měsíci

    It's all fun and games until it isn't.

  • @user-ms5ou2op6q
    @user-ms5ou2op6q Před 11 měsíci +1

    If you do that again the gods may not be so kind!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Next time we will be better prepared. We've done it at 5 feet (almost 2 feet lower). Tracey has set this as her max. I've become a much better paddler since doing this stupidity, but I do look forward to a round 2!

  • @IncorrectCZ
    @IncorrectCZ Před 23 dny

    This reminds me my stupidest idea to ride a class III/IV river at solo with an open packraft. But i get very lucky and not fell out of the boat, but i had at least two close calls.
    czcams.com/video/ZzGKND7qGFg/video.html

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 2 dny

      You definitely had more skills than I did! The stupidest ideas are sometimes the best teachers...if you survive it.

  • @mikekenney1947
    @mikekenney1947 Před 9 měsíci

    Hootch will fool you. Can happen to anyone. Sharing this vid may save a life

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 9 měsíci

      I'm just glad we all made it out in one piece.

  • @pcifuentes0
    @pcifuentes0 Před 10 měsíci

    O Man, what irresponsability.

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Live and learn. For example, if I was gonna be a keyboard cowboy, I'd learn to use spell check so I don't look irresponsible....

  • @PenntuckytheCrag
    @PenntuckytheCrag Před měsícem

    surely shouldve tried to beach your boat sooner

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 8 dny +1

      At the put in would've been the ideal spot haha

    • @PenntuckytheCrag
      @PenntuckytheCrag Před 8 dny

      @@toekneegreen37 haha. Yea that was rough one I’ve had 2 or 3 myself. Glad didn’t have to worry my woman might be drowning somewhere in the bush

  • @christophercurley3999
    @christophercurley3999 Před 9 měsíci

    Dude I kept yelling at the camera use your damn paddle to swim

  • @getoutsideseniors7480
    @getoutsideseniors7480 Před 7 měsíci

    need to paddle for real and not tea cup ....

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 5 měsíci

      Not exactly sure what tea cupping is but I'm guessing your saying my strokes were garbage? You are probably right about that if so.

  • @thenewfire
    @thenewfire Před 10 měsíci +3

    You literally filmed and posted an attempted murder.

  • @chriskayakq-ster7264
    @chriskayakq-ster7264 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Educational video of what not to ever do!!!!! Equipment showed problems even before putting on this brown water creek/river flooded obviously. Paddles from box store for flatwater use only. Guy in a cheap sit on top box store kayak. Laughing about the fact that an island was missing covered by enough water you would have to dive down to see. Nice try on rescuing your wife but swimming into shoreline branches with steady currents hitting them yeah not smart ! Leaving her out of sight then failing to retrieve her boat for miles downstream all by yourself now. Then not being able to roll yourself and becoming part of the problem with losing two boats. Just eddy out and get on shore. Very upsetting viewing video but hope that other non boaters see it and learn what not to do!!!!!!

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Wow, you apparently know a lot more than me! Just a couple things you might want to consider... One you are wrong about my man's kayak. You obviously don't know what a whitewater sit on top is, his kayak is not a made for flat water big box store kayak. And 2, the way you present yourself determines how well you will be received. After the way you presented yourself, I value nothing you have said. I'm sure you don't care about that, as long as you can feel superior though right?

  • @Dr.Rothell78
    @Dr.Rothell78 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thank you for the entertainment…. Now find a new hobby please… I can’t believe you even posted this to CZcams…..

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci +1

      You need a life. Turns out I do what I want and you have no say in it.

    • @traceygreen9273
      @traceygreen9273 Před 10 měsíci

      So, being humble enough to post something like this for others to learn from is unacceptable? This isn't for entertainment, but is for education.

  • @purebloodnovax3251
    @purebloodnovax3251 Před 10 dny

    Darwin Award winner

  • @1stickfigurefan886
    @1stickfigurefan886 Před 10 měsíci +8

    By far the most irresponsible kayakers I have ever seen. Where did you get those paddles? Looks like they came from Walmart. Leave your wife in a strainer to go fetch her boat? Wow! I’ve seen it all now. 😳

    • @toekneegreen37
      @toekneegreen37  Před 10 měsíci

      Guess we can't all be rich like you, I'll do better lol

    • @1stickfigurefan886
      @1stickfigurefan886 Před 10 měsíci

      @@toekneegreen37 trust me I’m not rich but I do have a phone and access to the internet just like you so I can google how to whitewater kayak. U need the right tools and the knowledge to do the job correctly that’s all I’m saying. Trust me when I say life is a journey and we all learn from our mistakes and I’m glad everyone is ok.Anyways good luck out there and hope you won’t let one bad day prevent you from wanting to get back in your boat. 🤘