The Taurus 905 can shoot .380 ACP using the thicker-than-factory Taurus M380 moon clips from TK Custom. Good review...even 9 years later here in late Oct. 2021.
I don't write in the comments section much but I will this time. I spent a little over 20 years in the U.S. Army and have been a Deputy Sheriff for the last 15 years. I have shot more firearms than most people will ever fire and was a firearms instructor in the Army and shot competitively in IDPA and in the Army when I was younger. I am not a brand guy. I have owned and currently own firearms from many different manufactures including Glock, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Walther, Sig Saur, Winchester, Cimmaron, Heritage, Rossi, Mossberg, Remington, Taurus, Ruger, Beretta and many others. I bought a Taurus 905 with a 3 inch barrel on a whim and I have to say this is my every day carry gun from now on. Most self defense scenarios take place within 9 to 12 feet. This pistol is accurate at those distances without any issues. I have a bobbed hammer version and it draws from the holster smoothly without getting caught on anything. It's slim in design and does not imprint much. I carry 2 extra stellar clips in a speed loader pouch on the opposite side of my belt for extra ammo. The pistol is light and easily concealed. Mine has a factory front night site as well. Excellent pistol for every day carry. I have fired several hundred rounds with no misfires or malfunctions of the firearm or ammo using factory 9mm ammo. I work a lot of counter narcotics and I carry all the time when I am off duty. Like I said I rarely comment but in this case I felt it necessary to comment on the Taurus 905. It is a fine revolver that is well worth the price.
I would want one. I own all .45 & 9mm hanguns. If I got a revolver like this, it would be nice to not have to start buying a new caliber. Besides, 9mm is more powerful than .38 special.
I know this is old news, but I looked up SD rounds, .357 is 624 ft-lbs and the 9mm is 374. It wouldn't be hard to pick ammo where the .357 is twice as much power.
@@MaverickTangent Buffalo Bore heavy 357 180 gr does 1258fps/633ftlb, so, no, he isn't nuts. Take a look at the ballistics101 site. The Very best 9mm is stronger than some 357. But the top 357 blows the nine away. Enjoy your gun, but don't fool yourself into thinking the 9 is something it isn't.
@@jpoberry355 Out of a 2" barrel the 9mm matches or sometimes outshines the 357 slightly. I had this discussion with a friend so out to the range we went with 6 different defence loads, (125gr. Defense) my Chrony and 905 and his 2" Smith 357. Bottom line with the 9mm's greater efficiency in short barrels and the fact most 357's use slower burning powder designed for longer barrels all ammo from both revolvers was within 50 fps or so with the SIG 9mm Short Barrel ammo at the top of the heap. I also brought my Ruger GP100 with a 3" barrel. A 357 fried from that gun with the 3" tube really made the difference picking up over 200fps. We did note the 357 recoiled substantially more and made accurate quick follow up's difficult even in the all Steel Ruger.
@@jpoberry355 Yup, absolutely right. I think a lot of ppl get confused there. More velocity doesn't always mean more energy, bullet weight has to be taken into consideration... 357 & 9 can have "almost" the same velocities when fired from shorter barrels but the 357 can do it with a much heavier projectile. Speed & weight, 357mag has more of both. There's nothing wrong with 9, advantages like softer recoil for better shot placement & follow ups, the capacity of small double stack ultra concealable carry guns but when comparing the two from small or large barrels, most factory 357 loads will CERTAINLY out perform factory 9 loadings. Not to say that 9 isn't fine, it's just no magnum. The website "Ballistics By The Inch" has great info on (the more common) handgun cartridges too. I think you said it best, "Don't fool yourself into thinking it's something that it's not."
The .357 is a lot more powerful than 9mm, for example a really hot 9mm round is the corbon, it has a muzzle energy of 466, I could only find 1 , .357 round with a lower muzzle energy. I would say an average muzzle energy of a 9mm is 350, where as a .357 is above 500. The velocity of a .357 is quite a bit more than 9mm but it is a bigger bullet so that makes the energy a lot more. Basically it is a bigger bullet moving faster.
I love my 905, They are quite snappy though! First range visit I wanted to run 100rds through it. At 75rds the square profile of the grip ripped the skin off my thum, had to shoot left hand after that. It did get dirty and hard to eject spent cases and even a little hard to get all the rds to chamber completely. You have to consider what it's made for. Not a target gun but does as good as my G17. The moonclips are cheap, can't rember $ but I bought a shit load for $40 and only load 100rds(20) other than the 5 it comes loaded with defence rds. If you have a 9mm auto you need a 9mm revolver in my opinion.
Big fan of moonclip-fed revolvers. I never owned one until a couple years ago, but they're a lot faster to reload than with speedloaders (and I've been using speedloaders since the 70's).
I think 9 mm is a fine choice however I have to disagree with your statement about the 357 magnum. A hot 9 mm 125 grain will run about 1000 ft./s out of a 2 inch barrel. A Hornady 357 magnum runs about 200 feet per second faster and it's not a hot round. A hot 357 magnum is going to run around 1300 to 1400 ft./s. So like I said the 9 mm is a fine choice but it is not equivalent to a 357 magnum
+oddball6996 he's kinda off to compare it to a 357 when he should've said a .38 sp+. I consider a majority of 357 loads I've carried are between 1300-1700 ft/s and a majority of 9mm I've carried are 975-1200 ft/s so its way off and the fact that 357s hit almost 3 times as much force as a 9mm
the highest 'standard' bullet is 147 grain, but it really depends on a lot of factors, most of which has to do with case size limitation. Ones you get so much lead to get heavier weights, the SIZE of the bullet has to go bigger than spec allows. you can't get any bigger than .355" diameter so the only other direction to go is lengthwise, and any longer would affect chamber seating. most lead rounds I see are less, and if you start putting hollow points in, that's even less weight
in my cronograph tests, the only 9mm bullet that got over 350 ft lbs was the self defense ammo types, like my Winchester PDX 147 gr ran about 425 ft lbs, but they cost $1.50 each. none of the 'target' or cheaper ammo got over 320, which is still actually pretty respectable for a 2" snub. Maybe in a 5 inch barrel they will get faster. I think in my 357 comparison, I had some 124 gr bullets, but I can't remember what they tested at
no, you don't need the moon clip. the rounds headspace inside the cylinder to it will fire correctly, BUT the shells won't extract without a moon clip. I've found that nice brass you can just shake out, but aluminum and steel 9mm, you have to pick out with your fingers
I trust the taurus 905 for the job of a home defense gun only. as a usmcorps friend explained to me, the 905 is effective in close spaces, like a living room....just aim and shot...you will hit !!! his words. and remember, practizing this 9mm revolver is cheap and in short time you get real handy with it.
Just ordered this gun through my FFl and I’m picking up today. Looking forward to shooting it. .38 is hard to find and expensive. I carry a 9mm at work so rounds are readily available. I hear some stories about how horrible the moon clips are but I guess I’ll find out soon. It’s strange to me how scarce videos are on the 905.
if my history serves me correct, they made the 905 and then stopped making it for a while and now they make again. they made them in whats called a concealed hammer where there was no 'tang' to use your thumb to pull the hammer back for a single action shot. It's a double action only gun, my brother had one on the 85 in .38 special. I've never heard of them having it on the 905, but it wouldn't surprise me, they share the same frame
agreed, the double trigger pull is VERY heavy, just like my bro's 85. that's really the only complaint I have about the 905/85 sub compact 'J' frame type Taurus revolvers. my 445 'compact' frame 44 SPL had a much smoother double action pull
I had to admit your gun looks really sweet but I'm disappointed by the fact it requires the use of moon clips. I think I'll go for the Charter Arms 9mm Pitbull Rimless Revolver, that revolver don't use moon clips. Nelson
based on my tests, the 38 is a shockingly weak around... the 9MM has over twice the power, and thats just with target ammo, not counting the self defense ammo. No comparison there, and in shorter barrels like 2" the 9mm holds its own with 357, see my vid man!
Man. You really need to take a box of 125 357 and a box of 9mm+P+ and chronograph them from a 2 inch barrel. There is no comparison. The 357 will be 20 to 40% stronger even from that super short tube. I have snub nose 357s. Looking for a small 9mm revolver for my 78 year old mom who can no longer rack a 9mm slide. This looks like it might be a great option. A 357 wouldn't be. And 38Special in a 357 is twice the cost with significantly less power than a 9mm. Thanks for the review!
One of these days I will own a 9x19 revolver. I have had good luck with Taurus over the years. My wife commandeered my model 85 and shoots it well. I would like to suggest something, as an old time revolver shooter, do not 'stage' the double action trigger. Learn to pull it back in one smooth complete motion, focusing on the front sight/target. It will improve your double action shooting a ton. I know, I staged for years before I learned this. Thanks for the video. You did not mention the price? or maybe I missed it.
Have a care about these Taurus revolvers. I have this gun, and after 30 rds the screw on the right side of the frame backed itself out. I stopped in time and returned home, retightened it with blue threadlocker and put a piece of friction tape over the head so it cannot come out.
taking a sample of a quick google search, the average FPS of a JHP 357 was 1320, while the average for 9mm JHP was 1275 FPS, that's only about a 5% difference... and the 9mm costs 60% less. Now, there were some .357 that had 1500-1600 FPS velocities, but the AVERAGE ammo travels around the same speeds as a good self defense 9mm.
An all around good gun to get is the Smith and Wesson model 686 Plus. It is very versatile, and has a large range of power. It also holds 7 rounds. I believe smith and wesson does make an 8 shot revolver as well, but i'm not sure what it is called. I do know that that gun would be quite large. Hope I helped.
I used a chronograph to get these results with Blazer, WWB, and Remington brands the middle number is Ft Lbs, the end number is cost per round. if I remove the Remington 357 round from the mix, it drops the average 357 round energy to 267 ft lbs, less than a 9mm, but the cost is still .49 per round. 9 281 0.24 38 142 0.42 40 320 0.33 357 305 0.59
it not only barks real loud, but when i take it to the range and pull 150rounds trough it, my handpalm turns blue and hurts. however this small frame is not meant for war. i prefer single action. on double the trigger is a bit hard to pull, which makes for bad aiming
agreed, go to ballistics101 and look at their charts, the 158 gr 357 typically has the same muzzle energy as a 124 gr 9mm on average, and most of the 9mm 115 self defense loads are pushing 1400 fps, which is about where the 125 gr 357 is at. You get some extra bullet weight with the 357, but my argument is that I get VERY SIMILAR performance with 1/3 the cost, not that the 9mm is 'better'... its just 60% better on the WALLET and I typically only give up 10% of the performance
actually, they are not that far away, they are closer than you think, I've done the tests with a chronograph and am working on getting the video uploaded, should be this weekend
I'll just give you the summary of my results: I used a chronograph to get these results with Blazer, WWB, and Remington brands the middle number is Ft Lbs, the end number is cost per round. if I remove the Remington 357 round from the mix, it drops the average 357 round energy to 267 ft lbs, less than a 9mm, but the cost is still .49 per round. 9 281 0.24 38 142 0.42 40 320 0.33 357 305 0.59
the moon clips from tk customs are a must for this gun i owned it for a while and i found they helped for light primer strikes and for carry i ended up selling the 905 last month for a ruger lcr 9mm
+The Downtrodden compared to the 905. Have the 905, recoil is too much for the wife, she won't touch it!! Does the polymer grip frame of the LCR 9 mm tone it down some?
so, just to answer your question, based on my findings with the chronograph, the average FT LBS of 9mm Winchester white box 115gr was 286 ft lbs. The same Winchester white box 357 magnum FT LBS was 295 FT LBS. That's only 3% more power and it cost almost double for the ammo. With my test of some Blazer 158 gr 357 I got an average FT LBS of 244 FT LBS, which is LESS than cheap WWB 9mm and it cost EVEN MORE! check my video when I upload this weekend
thanks dude! I love it! I'd love to get a 44 mag in the same setup! 4" stainless... but alas, that much money buys a lot of ammo for the guns I do have...
yea, its hit and miss with me. 90% of the time I can shake all 5 out... 100% of the time I can shake at least 3 out. I haven't shot it enough to really feel for it. the nicer the brass I think the easier it is to do... aluminum cases, like Blazer, no go, gotta pull each one out if i don't have moon rings
my Taurus has been GREAT, I've got about 500 rounds through it now, and its REALLY accurate within 15 yards... I actually contacted Charter Arms before ordering this 905 and they said they were releasing the CARR in 9mm, but I just like Taurus revolvers (if only their semi's didn't suck) My ONLY complaint is that the double action trigger is VERY heavy. you don't 'NEED' moon clips for this... it head spaces in the cylinder. brass cases can be shaken out. alum and steel are tougher to extract
how is that rubber grip on there like? It seems bulky for a small frame revolver. I'd like to see a longer and slimmer wood grip in the style of a square butt frame revolver. That might handle better
Lots of hands in the frame. The informality is nice, but it would be good to see more of the gun and how it performs. Waited ages just to see all five chambers at the same time. 9mm has various advantages, but all the experts say that 9mm does not substitute 357. As a newbie I would stay away from both of these cartridges in a ccw anyway, because you need a 24 oz gun with a 4 inch barrel to do them justice. Particularly 357, which is too noisy, hard on the hands (in a snubbie) and over-penetrating indoors. I might carry 357 as a reload (in the same pocket as my earplugs) in case I had to shoot through a car or a wall to defend myself. Everything smaller than 357 is sort of weak, and might require two or three good hits to do the job. But concealed carry firearms are compromised by definition. I would value shootability over high ballistic scores. So, 32 & 38 (and their variations) are the best ammo sizes for concealed weapons IMO. All my research tells me that 9mm is for pro use, concealed carry by experts, and extended sessions at the range on a big gun. The only small 9mm I'd consider carrying is the Beretta PX-4 sub compact, which shoots like a bigger gun. A Ruger GP100 in 9mm or 357 would be awesome, but so hard to carry.
did you not see the video I did comparing the 9mm snub to 357 snub with a chronograph? typically the 9mm performance is the same if not better from a 2 inch barrel and I have the video to prove it?
that's a little high, the factory 9mm is about 250-280 ft lbs and the factory .38 special is about 160 ft lbs. I linked my video response showing the chronograph results. .38 special is very low power, and the hottest loads do well to break 300 ft lbs
99% of factory loaded .38 specials ARE NOT more powerful than even crappy factory loaded 9mm. True, you can load a .38 to be more powerful, but most people don't
the average FPS of the average 357 is MUCH less than a 9MM - my argument is that to shoot regular ammo, not uber fancy SD ammo, the power isn't much different, check my video I got coming this weekend I tested 10 different kinds of ammo on a chronograph, including some 9MM self defense ammo that out performed the hottest 357 ammo I had.
no dude the 9mm is not comparable to the .357. FPS doesnt tell you shit. Ft Lbs, PSI, Kinetic Energy are the only things that matter. Furthermore the 9mm suffers heavily out of a less than 3" barrel.
My 905 could not shoot under 5-6 inch groups, usually with one flier, and I think the 2" barrel just doesn't stabilize that short, squat, almost round 9mm projectile enough which causes accuracy issues....9mm out of my 4" semi auto or revolver pulls 2" groups at 21 feet all day long. My 2" model 85 .38 also shoots 2-3 inch groups at 7 yds....TWICE as better groups than the 905.....without the hassle of moon clips.
also, let me get this one straight, once you shoot all rounds, some shells expand and might get trapped inside the chamber. reloading is no option here. just reach for your glock
Been wanting a couple of 9mm revolvers for a while now. A BIG ''cowboy'' style single action one AND a SMALL da/sa one for ccw. Decided on the 6 1/2'' barrel SA Ruger Blackhawk .357/9mm convertible, but having a harder time deciding on the ccw. Taurus 905, Charter Arms CARR, Ruger SP101, or S&W 940! The Ruger and the Smith seem great quality but aren't current production & co$t more, the Charter is only $330 but doesn't use clips, and I've heard mixed reviews on the Taurus. How's yours been?
This very Taurus revolver is what I use now as a carry weapon. I can still stand and walk with my cane and use this one to defend myself. Trigger is not too heavy for me. 9mm is just the right power level to handle what I must do if the occasion presents itself to me. 115 grain FMJ ammo suits me fust fine and dandy. The price is real good as well.
i understand that its cheaper too shoot 9mm those or low end ammo in 357 corbon 100 grain1450fps gs 125fps 1490 winchester sthp 145 grain 1660fps out of a 1.8 inch imagine a 4 or 6inch show me a 9mm bullet that can give 600 ftb it is impossible because the casing is too short it will exsplode in your hand if i had to choose 9mm revolver or 357 revolver its the 357 but in a auto would be 9mm thats where they shine cool vidz cool old skool; cars
I had a 905....for only two trips to the range.....traded it for mod. 85 in .38 same configuration. Once the 905 is loaded....and after you can get cylinder to close and freely rotate, which takes considerable frustration.....the 905 will fire 5 9mm rounds from the 2 inch barrel with spread of 5-6 inches at 7 yds (21 feet). Even if the hassle of getting rounds into moon clips, then these dangling dew berries into the cylinder without one falling out or more typical, the rounds not seating flush because clips fit loosely around case causing rounds to be skewed when closing cylinder.....jamming up the works and requiring several tries, opening closing or banging weapon against butt of palm so cylinder turns freely to fire.....GIANT PAIN IN MY A$$....traded for same gun in .38 +P.....now with speed-loader, I can load, fire, clear cases, reload 5 more and fire.....10 total rounds from load to clear, in several seconds. The 9mm 905 with moon clips can be loaded, rounds seated, and holstered or stored and is ready to go....for 5 rounds....after that consider using gun as club because any assailant would easily take you down due to time it takes to clear those initial 5 cases and reload, seat, fire. The Taurus 905, 5 shot 9mm is a curiosity ONLY....and NOT a working, reliable, dependable, functional self defense weapon by ANY stretch of the imagination. The model 85 in .38 special.....a VERY worthy weapon.
check the forum 357 has 1 shot stop overall it has over 500 ft lbs some rounds more than that im not talkin about +p or +p+ the only auto that is more powerful than a357 is a 10mm period i dont know of a 9mm round that can stop a bear do you
Your way off. a 9mm has about 400 ft lb's of energy and a 357 has about 700+ That is almost twice the energy in a 357. Question have you ever shot a 357 mag
Hi. I want a Gun that would not jam like get stuck, I heard revolvers do not get stuck, is this true?? 9mm is not much of a recoil right suitable for even a women??? Does does Gun in a 8 shoot revolver??
I'd recommend you rent/shoot the LCR first. 9mm in a revolver is no toy!! Oh it's no big deal in an auto but it will school you what recoil is in a revolver!!
Not true. You should see my video about it. The cheap 357 that most people shoot was 50-90% of the velocity of cheap 9mm. Only HUNTING and high power 357 that's $2 a bullet was more powerful than average 9mm
@@MaverickTangent I literally said in my comment 9mm +P is not equivalent to .357 MAGNUM...so you reply that cheap .357 isn't as fast/powerful as 9mm... We all practice with cheaper ammo but I also train with what I carry. The carry ammo is what makes the difference and that's where the drastic difference exists. I'm not discrediting your research, just saying you're comparing apples and oranges, or I guess more appropriately bell peppers (standard pressure) and jalapenos/habaneros (+P or +P+).
The Taurus 905 can shoot .380 ACP using the thicker-than-factory Taurus M380 moon clips from TK Custom.
Good review...even 9 years later here in late Oct. 2021.
I don't write in the comments section much but I will this time. I spent a little over 20 years in the U.S. Army and have been a Deputy Sheriff for the last 15 years. I have shot more firearms than most people will ever fire and was a firearms instructor in the Army and shot competitively in IDPA and in the Army when I was younger. I am not a brand guy. I have owned and currently own firearms from many different manufactures including Glock, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Walther, Sig Saur, Winchester, Cimmaron, Heritage, Rossi, Mossberg, Remington, Taurus, Ruger, Beretta and many others. I bought a Taurus 905 with a 3 inch barrel on a whim and I have to say this is my every day carry gun from now on. Most self defense scenarios take place within 9 to 12 feet. This pistol is accurate at those distances without any issues. I have a bobbed hammer version and it draws from the holster smoothly without getting caught on anything. It's slim in design and does not imprint much. I carry 2 extra stellar clips in a speed loader pouch on the opposite side of my belt for extra ammo. The pistol is light and easily concealed. Mine has a factory front night site as well. Excellent pistol for every day carry. I have fired several hundred rounds with no misfires or malfunctions of the firearm or ammo using factory 9mm ammo. I work a lot of counter narcotics and I carry all the time when I am off duty. Like I said I rarely comment but in this case I felt it necessary to comment on the Taurus 905. It is a fine revolver that is well worth the price.
I would want one. I own all .45 & 9mm hanguns. If I got a revolver like this, it would be nice to not have to start buying a new caliber. Besides, 9mm is more powerful than .38 special.
You can put the Defender Hogue grips on and the felt recoil drops way down. You also can get 3 fingers on the grip.
I know this is old news, but I looked up SD rounds, .357 is 624 ft-lbs and the 9mm is 374. It wouldn't be hard to pick ammo where the .357 is twice as much power.
Ive never seen ANY 357 chrono fast enough to do 600+ ft lbs of energy. ESPECIALLY on a 2 inch barrel. You're nuts
@@MaverickTangent Buffalo Bore heavy 357 180 gr does 1258fps/633ftlb, so, no, he isn't nuts. Take a look at the ballistics101 site. The Very best 9mm is stronger than some 357. But the top 357 blows the nine away. Enjoy your gun, but don't fool yourself into thinking the 9 is something it isn't.
@@jpoberry355 Out of a 2" barrel the 9mm matches or sometimes outshines the 357 slightly. I had this discussion with a friend so out to the range we went with 6 different defence loads, (125gr. Defense) my Chrony and 905 and his 2" Smith 357. Bottom line with the 9mm's greater efficiency in short barrels and the fact most 357's use slower burning powder designed for longer barrels all ammo from both revolvers was within 50 fps or so with the SIG 9mm Short Barrel ammo at the top of the heap. I also brought my Ruger GP100 with a 3" barrel. A 357 fried from that gun with the 3" tube really made the difference picking up over 200fps. We did note the 357 recoiled substantially more and made accurate quick follow up's difficult even in the all Steel Ruger.
@@jpoberry355 Yup, absolutely right. I think a lot of ppl get confused there. More velocity doesn't always mean more energy, bullet weight has to be taken into consideration... 357 & 9 can have "almost" the same velocities when fired from shorter barrels but the 357 can do it with a much heavier projectile. Speed & weight, 357mag has more of both. There's nothing wrong with 9, advantages like softer recoil for better shot placement & follow ups, the capacity of small double stack ultra concealable carry guns but when comparing the two from small or large barrels, most factory 357 loads will CERTAINLY out perform factory 9 loadings. Not to say that 9 isn't fine, it's just no magnum. The website "Ballistics By The Inch" has great info on (the more common) handgun cartridges too. I think you said it best, "Don't fool yourself into thinking it's something that it's not."
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The .357 is a lot more powerful than 9mm, for example a really hot 9mm round is the corbon, it has a muzzle energy of 466, I could only find 1 , .357 round with a lower muzzle energy. I would say an average muzzle energy of a 9mm is 350, where as a .357 is above 500. The velocity of a .357 is quite a bit more than 9mm but it is a bigger bullet so that makes the energy a lot more. Basically it is a bigger bullet moving faster.
I love my 905,
They are quite snappy though!
First range visit I wanted to run 100rds through it. At 75rds the square profile of the grip ripped the skin off my thum, had to shoot left hand after that.
It did get dirty and hard to eject spent cases and even a little hard to get all the rds to chamber completely.
You have to consider what it's made for. Not a target gun but does as good as my G17. The moonclips are cheap, can't rember $ but I bought a shit load for $40 and only load 100rds(20) other than the 5 it comes loaded with defence rds.
If you have a 9mm auto you need a 9mm revolver in my opinion.
Big fan of moonclip-fed revolvers. I never owned one until a couple years ago, but they're a lot faster to reload than with speedloaders (and I've been using speedloaders since the 70's).
I think 9 mm is a fine choice however I have to disagree with your statement about the 357 magnum. A hot 9 mm 125 grain will run about 1000 ft./s out of a 2 inch barrel. A Hornady 357 magnum runs about 200 feet per second faster and it's not a hot round. A hot 357 magnum is going to run around 1300 to 1400 ft./s. So like I said the 9 mm is a fine choice but it is not equivalent to a 357 magnum
+oddball6996 he's kinda off to compare it to a 357 when he should've said a .38 sp+. I consider a majority of 357 loads I've carried are between 1300-1700 ft/s and a majority of 9mm I've carried are 975-1200 ft/s so its way off and the fact that 357s hit almost 3 times as much force as a 9mm
Heavy 145gr 9mm will shoot like a 38sp. Should still be about 900fps in a snubby.
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the highest 'standard' bullet is 147 grain, but it really depends on a lot of factors, most of which has to do with case size limitation. Ones you get so much lead to get heavier weights, the SIZE of the bullet has to go bigger than spec allows. you can't get any bigger than .355" diameter so the only other direction to go is lengthwise, and any longer would affect chamber seating. most lead rounds I see are less, and if you start putting hollow points in, that's even less weight
in my cronograph tests, the only 9mm bullet that got over 350 ft lbs was the self defense ammo types, like my Winchester PDX 147 gr ran about 425 ft lbs, but they cost $1.50 each. none of the 'target' or cheaper ammo got over 320, which is still actually pretty respectable for a 2" snub. Maybe in a 5 inch barrel they will get faster. I think in my 357 comparison, I had some 124 gr bullets, but I can't remember what they tested at
no, you don't need the moon clip. the rounds headspace inside the cylinder to it will fire correctly, BUT the shells won't extract without a moon clip. I've found that nice brass you can just shake out, but aluminum and steel 9mm, you have to pick out with your fingers
I trust the taurus 905 for the job of a home defense gun only. as a usmcorps friend explained to me, the 905 is effective in close spaces, like a living room....just aim and shot...you will hit !!! his words. and remember, practizing this 9mm revolver is cheap and in short time you get real handy with it.
Just ordered this gun through my FFl and I’m picking up today. Looking forward to shooting it. .38 is hard to find and expensive. I carry a 9mm at work so rounds are readily available. I hear some stories about how horrible the moon clips are but I guess I’ll find out soon. It’s strange to me how scarce videos are on the 905.
if my history serves me correct, they made the 905 and then stopped making it for a while and now they make again. they made them in whats called a concealed hammer where there was no 'tang' to use your thumb to pull the hammer back for a single action shot. It's a double action only gun, my brother had one on the 85 in .38 special. I've never heard of them having it on the 905, but it wouldn't surprise me, they share the same frame
agreed, the double trigger pull is VERY heavy, just like my bro's 85. that's really the only complaint I have about the 905/85 sub compact 'J' frame type Taurus revolvers. my 445 'compact' frame 44 SPL had a much smoother double action pull
38 and 9m are 36 calibers,splitting hairspractice shoot accurate,both at eff just fine!!!!
I had to admit your gun looks really sweet but I'm disappointed by the fact it requires the use of moon clips. I think I'll go for the Charter Arms 9mm Pitbull Rimless Revolver, that revolver don't use moon clips.
Nelson
;probably too late to effect anything, but moon clips are so much faster and easier to reload the gun with
based on my tests, the 38 is a shockingly weak around... the 9MM has over twice the power, and thats just with target ammo, not counting the self defense ammo. No comparison there, and in shorter barrels like 2" the 9mm holds its own with 357, see my vid man!
Man. You really need to take a box of 125 357 and a box of 9mm+P+ and chronograph them from a 2 inch barrel. There is no comparison. The 357 will be 20 to 40% stronger even from that super short tube.
I have snub nose 357s. Looking for a small 9mm revolver for my 78 year old mom who can no longer rack a 9mm slide. This looks like it might be a great option. A 357 wouldn't be. And 38Special in a 357 is twice the cost with significantly less power than a 9mm.
Thanks for the review!
One of these days I will own a 9x19 revolver. I have had good luck with Taurus over the years. My wife commandeered my model 85 and shoots it well.
I would like to suggest something, as an old time revolver shooter, do not 'stage' the double action trigger. Learn to pull it back in one smooth complete motion, focusing on the front sight/target. It will improve your double action shooting a ton. I know, I staged for years before I learned this.
Thanks for the video. You did not mention the price? or maybe I missed it.
They stopped making it for a while. Price changes with time and this video is a decade old. But they did reintroduce it.
Have a care about these Taurus revolvers. I have this gun, and after 30 rds the screw on the right side of the frame backed itself out. I stopped in time and returned home, retightened it with blue threadlocker and put a piece of friction tape over the head so it cannot come out.
taking a sample of a quick google search, the average FPS of a JHP 357 was 1320, while the average for 9mm JHP was 1275 FPS, that's only about a 5% difference... and the 9mm costs 60% less. Now, there were some .357 that had 1500-1600 FPS velocities, but the AVERAGE ammo travels around the same speeds as a good self defense 9mm.
An all around good gun to get is the Smith and Wesson model 686 Plus. It is very versatile, and has a large range of power. It also holds 7 rounds. I believe smith and wesson does make an 8 shot revolver as well, but i'm not sure what it is called. I do know that that gun would be quite large. Hope I helped.
I used a chronograph to get these results with Blazer, WWB, and Remington brands
the middle number is Ft Lbs, the end number is cost per round. if I remove the Remington 357 round from the mix, it drops the average 357 round energy to 267 ft lbs, less than a 9mm, but the cost is still .49 per round.
9 281 0.24
38 142 0.42
40 320 0.33
357 305 0.59
it not only barks real loud, but when i take it to the range and pull 150rounds trough it, my handpalm turns blue and hurts. however this small frame is not meant for war.
i prefer single action. on double the trigger is a bit hard to pull, which makes for bad aiming
agreed, go to ballistics101 and look at their charts, the 158 gr 357 typically has the same muzzle energy as a 124 gr 9mm on average, and most of the 9mm 115 self defense loads are pushing 1400 fps, which is about where the 125 gr 357 is at. You get some extra bullet weight with the 357, but my argument is that I get VERY SIMILAR performance with 1/3 the cost, not that the 9mm is 'better'... its just 60% better on the WALLET and I typically only give up 10% of the performance
actually, they are not that far away, they are closer than you think, I've done the tests with a chronograph and am working on getting the video uploaded, should be this weekend
The point of carrying a snubie is self defense & concealed carry, I wish the ammo test had included rounds you would carry, not practice ammo.
the Ft lbs are very similar, the formula to calculate ft lbs is a function of FPS vs bullet weight
they are closer than you think, I've done the tests with a chronograph and am working on getting the video uploaded, should be this weekend
I'll just give you the summary of my results:
I used a chronograph to get these results with Blazer, WWB, and Remington brands
the middle number is Ft Lbs, the end number is cost per round. if I remove the Remington 357 round from the mix, it drops the average 357 round energy to 267 ft lbs, less than a 9mm, but the cost is still .49 per round.
9 281 0.24
38 142 0.42
40 320 0.33
357 305 0.59
the moon clips from tk customs are a must for this gun i owned it for a while and i found they helped for light primer strikes and for carry i ended up selling the 905 last month for a ruger lcr 9mm
How's the recoil in the LCR 9mm verses the 905?
Lighter 1/2 polymer gun???? Same same or a beast??
ehh not bad not as strong as a 357 but more then a 38
+The Downtrodden compared to the 905.
Have the 905, recoil is too much for the wife, she won't touch it!!
Does the polymer grip frame of the LCR 9 mm tone it down some?
it has a full back strap with a jelly pad to asorb it i would say it doesn't give you the metal into the web of hand as much
muzzle energy is a function of speed and bullet weight, you can't calculate the muzzle energy without using the velocity
heck, some of those rounds perform just as good as a 357 and yet I can still practice with the 'ol Winchester White Box Wal Mart 100 pack.
so, just to answer your question, based on my findings with the chronograph, the average FT LBS of 9mm Winchester white box 115gr was 286 ft lbs. The same Winchester white box 357 magnum FT LBS was 295 FT LBS. That's only 3% more power and it cost almost double for the ammo. With my test of some Blazer 158 gr 357 I got an average FT LBS of 244 FT LBS, which is LESS than cheap WWB 9mm and it cost EVEN MORE! check my video when I upload this weekend
All of the aftermarket 85 grips will also fit the 905.
thanks dude! I love it! I'd love to get a 44 mag in the same setup! 4" stainless... but alas, that much money buys a lot of ammo for the guns I do have...
yea, its hit and miss with me. 90% of the time I can shake all 5 out... 100% of the time I can shake at least 3 out. I haven't shot it enough to really feel for it. the nicer the brass I think the easier it is to do... aluminum cases, like Blazer, no go, gotta pull each one out if i don't have moon rings
the 357 has a longer case so they can pack more POWDER behind a 9mm bullet
Soooo tryna buy it ASAP!
my Taurus has been GREAT, I've got about 500 rounds through it now, and its REALLY accurate within 15 yards... I actually contacted Charter Arms before ordering this 905 and they said they were releasing the CARR in 9mm, but I just like Taurus revolvers (if only their semi's didn't suck) My ONLY complaint is that the double action trigger is VERY heavy. you don't 'NEED' moon clips for this... it head spaces in the cylinder. brass cases can be shaken out. alum and steel are tougher to extract
well the bullet weight in grains is more for a 357 than a 9mm, 357 is normally 158, 9mm is normally 124
Thank you so much I though mine was defected because my shells wouldn't catch on the ejector
Boxer1800 welcome dude.
how is that rubber grip on there like? It seems bulky for a small frame revolver. I'd like to see a longer and slimmer wood grip in the style of a square butt frame revolver. That might handle better
They have similar velocities, but not the same muzzle energy. Two different things!
beautiful gun
I choose RIA AL3.1 than this 5 shots only.
I've been seeing them on you tube lately. The suggested retail looked pretty high. How much are they actually selling for?
no, not that I know of, its only made in the 'small frame' 5 shot
U Need A 1 Piece HOGUE
Grip For It...
Lots of hands in the frame. The informality is nice, but it would be good to see more of the gun and how it performs. Waited ages just to see all five chambers at the same time.
9mm has various advantages, but all the experts say that 9mm does not substitute 357. As a newbie I would stay away from both of these cartridges in a ccw anyway, because you need a 24 oz gun with a 4 inch barrel to do them justice. Particularly 357, which is too noisy, hard on the hands (in a snubbie) and over-penetrating indoors. I might carry 357 as a reload (in the same pocket as my earplugs) in case I had to shoot through a car or a wall to defend myself.
Everything smaller than 357 is sort of weak, and might require two or three good hits to do the job. But concealed carry firearms are compromised by definition. I would value shootability over high ballistic scores. So, 32 & 38 (and their variations) are the best ammo sizes for concealed weapons IMO.
All my research tells me that 9mm is for pro use, concealed carry by experts, and extended sessions at the range on a big gun. The only small 9mm I'd consider carrying is the Beretta PX-4 sub compact, which shoots like a bigger gun. A Ruger GP100 in 9mm or 357 would be awesome, but so hard to carry.
Pushing rounds or feet per second?
did you not see the video I did comparing the 9mm snub to 357 snub with a chronograph? typically the 9mm performance is the same if not better from a 2 inch barrel and I have the video to prove it?
that's a little high, the factory 9mm is about 250-280 ft lbs and the factory .38 special is about 160 ft lbs. I linked my video response showing the chronograph results. .38 special is very low power, and the hottest loads do well to break 300 ft lbs
Bull!!U better look again!!@
99% of factory loaded .38 specials ARE NOT more powerful than even crappy factory loaded 9mm. True, you can load a .38 to be more powerful, but most people don't
the average FPS of the average 357 is MUCH less than a 9MM - my argument is that to shoot regular ammo, not uber fancy SD ammo, the power isn't much different, check my video I got coming this weekend I tested 10 different kinds of ammo on a chronograph, including some 9MM self defense ammo that out performed the hottest 357 ammo I had.
no dude the 9mm is not comparable to the .357. FPS doesnt tell you shit. Ft Lbs, PSI, Kinetic Energy are the only things that matter. Furthermore the 9mm suffers heavily out of a less than 3" barrel.
My 905 could not shoot under 5-6 inch groups, usually with one flier, and I think the 2" barrel just doesn't stabilize that short, squat, almost round 9mm projectile enough which causes accuracy issues....9mm out of my 4" semi auto or revolver pulls 2" groups at 21 feet all day long. My 2" model 85 .38 also shoots 2-3 inch groups at 7 yds....TWICE as better groups than the 905.....without the hassle of moon clips.
Bro a 9mm has no where near the energy a 357 mag. Its not even close.
But it’s enough to for self defense situations
No ,no ,no , 357 is still more powerful, barrel length for barrel length, even snubby 357 beats 9mm.
I agree WTF 9mm better then .357 mag. I don't think so buddy.
also, let me get this one straight, once you shoot all rounds, some shells expand and might get trapped inside the chamber. reloading is no option here. just reach for your glock
Been wanting a couple of 9mm revolvers for a while now. A BIG ''cowboy'' style single action one AND a SMALL da/sa one for ccw. Decided on the 6 1/2'' barrel SA Ruger Blackhawk .357/9mm convertible, but having a harder time deciding on the ccw. Taurus 905, Charter Arms CARR, Ruger SP101, or S&W 940! The Ruger and the Smith seem great quality but aren't current production & co$t more, the Charter is only $330 but doesn't use clips, and I've heard mixed reviews on the Taurus. How's yours been?
It would be neat to cast your own full lead hollowpoints for this weapon. What is the highest grain bullet a 9mm can fire effectively?
How many times are you going to open and close the cylinder. Iol
haha, yea, I am going to do a better table top... just gotta find the time...
Well reasoned argument on caliber choice.
What's the lock up like?
I know old video but I’m switching to 9mm revolver for same reasons. What made you pick this over other revolvers, ie. LCR, SW 940.
no, you cannot, it doesn't chamber correctly. though Taurus does make a revolver just like this that shoots the .380 called the M380
How much did you pay for it and how much are the stellar clips if you've bought any?
This very Taurus revolver is what I use now as a carry weapon. I can still stand and walk with my cane and use this one to defend myself. Trigger is not too heavy for me. 9mm is just the right power level to handle what I must do if the occasion presents itself to me. 115 grain FMJ ammo suits me fust fine and dandy. The price is real good as well.
i understand that its cheaper too shoot 9mm those or low end ammo in 357 corbon 100 grain1450fps gs 125fps 1490 winchester sthp 145 grain 1660fps out of a 1.8 inch imagine a 4 or 6inch show me a 9mm bullet that can give 600 ftb it is impossible because the casing is too short it will exsplode in your hand if i had to choose 9mm revolver or 357 revolver its the 357 but in a auto would be 9mm thats where they shine cool vidz cool old skool; cars
Really Well-shaped.
I had a 905....for only two trips to the range.....traded it for mod. 85 in .38 same configuration. Once the 905 is loaded....and after you can get cylinder to close and freely rotate, which takes considerable frustration.....the 905 will fire 5 9mm rounds from the 2 inch barrel with spread of 5-6 inches at 7 yds (21 feet). Even if the hassle of getting rounds into moon clips, then these dangling dew berries into the cylinder without one falling out or more typical, the rounds not seating flush because clips fit loosely around case causing rounds to be skewed when closing cylinder.....jamming up the works and requiring several tries, opening closing or banging weapon against butt of palm so cylinder turns freely to fire.....GIANT PAIN IN MY A$$....traded for same gun in .38 +P.....now with speed-loader, I can load, fire, clear cases, reload 5 more and fire.....10 total rounds from load to clear, in several seconds. The 9mm 905 with moon clips can be loaded, rounds seated, and holstered or stored and is ready to go....for 5 rounds....after that consider using gun as club because any assailant would easily take you down due to time it takes to clear those initial 5 cases and reload, seat, fire. The Taurus 905, 5 shot 9mm is a curiosity ONLY....and NOT a working, reliable, dependable, functional self defense weapon by ANY stretch of the imagination. The model 85 in .38 special.....a VERY worthy weapon.
check the forum 357 has 1 shot stop overall it has over 500 ft lbs some rounds more than that im not talkin about +p or +p+ the only auto that is more powerful than a357 is a 10mm period i dont know of a 9mm round that can stop a bear do you
Your way off. a 9mm has about 400 ft lb's of energy and a 357 has about 700+ That is almost twice the energy in a 357.
Question have you ever shot a 357 mag
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Can you shoot 380 acp with that moon clip? same diameter as the 9mm in fact the 380 acp is also known as the 9mm kutz (short 9)
Hi. I want a Gun that would not jam like get stuck, I heard revolvers do not get stuck, is this true??
9mm is not much of a recoil right suitable for even a women???
Does does Gun in a 8 shoot revolver??
The 9mm will never ever perform as well as the 357 magnum where do you get that information
do the 125 grain i will check your vid out
Thanks!
LOL 2012 .25 cents per 9mm round try $1 in 2021 this shortage is getting ridiculous
I meant does this Gun also made with an 8 shoot revolver??
Very good Review!! (Y)
aww yea i replied all ready
its not a bigger bullet, the .357 is... .357 caliber and the 9mm is .355 caliber...
do you need the moon clip to shoot it
Dus it have a safe button or?
whats better this gun or the Ruger LCR 9 not sure but I want to buy one or the other.
+andy rhoden lcr, better trigger, better quality control, 100% american made
I'd recommend you rent/shoot the LCR first.
9mm in a revolver is no toy!!
Oh it's no big deal in an auto but it will school you what recoil is in a revolver!!
no comparirson between a 357 an 9mm
require shipping to Mexico please
MSRP PRICE?
taurus 617..beats!
i seen it
it IS really loud, just like the 85 is REALLY loud!! its cuz all the blast goes out the sides!
did you not see my new video where I compare the 9mm and 357 ballistics? Check it out
I'm a big fan of 9mm but you sir are incorrect...even the hottest +P 9mm will never be equivalent in velocity to .357 magnum.
Not true. You should see my video about it. The cheap 357 that most people shoot was 50-90% of the velocity of cheap 9mm. Only HUNTING and high power 357 that's $2 a bullet was more powerful than average 9mm
@@MaverickTangent I literally said in my comment 9mm +P is not equivalent to .357 MAGNUM...so you reply that cheap .357 isn't as fast/powerful as 9mm...
We all practice with cheaper ammo but I also train with what I carry. The carry ammo is what makes the difference and that's where the drastic difference exists. I'm not discrediting your research, just saying you're comparing apples and oranges, or I guess more appropriately bell peppers (standard pressure) and jalapenos/habaneros (+P or +P+).
nice
im talking about foot pounds not feet per second
aww yea try some high performance ammo