Which Will Get You Back Flip Quicker?
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2022
- This is just a short discussion meant to guide you to focus on the more important motion in a backflip and discuss a bit about how many different back flips there are.
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Initially when learning back flip, the tuck motion is more important. But once you get the tuck motion down to a sufficient level where you can land consistently, then the takeoff becomes more important. Not traveling backwards in your backflip and driving your hips up and swinging your arms up is hard to sync and even many trampoline athletes who do multiple backflips in the air on trampoline struggle to get this motion down. Ive seen people able to do double backflip on trampoline before backflip on floor, and its because they don’t know how to set properly they just know how to jump high on a trampoline.
I think the tuck is a lot more important when you start out but once you can backflip comfortably, like it’s no longer demanding 90% of your focus and doesn’t deplete 90% of your neural drive with each attempt, the tuck becomes less important.
The Jump also becomes less important once you’ve mastered it but… I guess it’s a matter of outputting the ‘minimum required force’ to pull it off… like when I first learned backflip it was such an inefficient use of energy, I had energy leaks everywhere while trying to maintain all the cues.
every person different ^^
for me it is the jump. couldn t jump when i learned backflip, i allways thought: if i jump high, i will fall high ^^
It all depends honestly. When learning a backflip, if you're naturally good at jumping then the tuck isn't necessary. I learned my backflip by just jumping back as hard as I could with a very light tuck (basically just tapped my shins) and it got me over the fear to later refine it with a tuck. And I can also just do a whip and pretty much land with the same amount of height as my tuck with way less thinking. But that's for me. I think someone less athletic should prioritize the tuck. Because you really only need to jump a couple inches off the ground to do a backflip. Even if you only get half a foot off the ground, you can rip a backflip with an insane tuck. When I teach backflips I advise a strong tuck but don't go into much detail with the jump. But when I do backflips I usually just jump as hard as I can (plus I do flash kicks more often so that's even less tucking for me). Basically, if you have the power: all you need is the jump, if you're not: get a really good tuck.
This is exactly me haha
I know it goes against the grain here, but having a background in gymnastics, I can attest that a strong JUMP can EASILY compensate for a bad TUCK--especially when you're an amateur. Its why the TUCK isn't really needed in things like a back handspring (which admittedly IS a form of back flip). While students no doubt need to learn to TUCK, that isn't always an option--hence its the JUMP that not only compensates, but in fact dominates.
Both are important for clean backflip
Hm. What do you define as clean? For a "Back Tuck" to be clean, then I agree. But a back flip can be all kinds of body shapes like I showed in the video.
Yes please make a tutorial I have a very toxic relationship with backflips
Tomorrow 😉
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The jump is way more important .. Because if you don't jump you will fall but if you don't tuck you can still land
Even though I basically don't jump when I do my low back tuck? And a lot of cheerleaders basically don't jump when they backflip?
@@ZakFerguson no matter how think of it .. You still jump just a little
@@mohazytg3270 I'm totally just playing devil's advocate haha. I think they are all important. However, what about Dom's "No Jump Challenge?"
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@@ZakFerguson I have seen it ... You can't land upright without jumping but you can land upright without tucking👊🏾🙂
@@ZakFerguson he still pushed off the ground basically
Tuck, probably because it helps you land?
tuck. another controversial opinion: tricking coaches should embrace 'whip' backflips more, instead of forcing students to stick to a back tuck technique (and the converse is also true, but for some reason coaches usually insist on back tucks). considering that the most limiting factor for beginners in back flips is usually fear, it would help if they were to work with how their bodies naturally want to perform the movement. its so easy to convert a tuck to a whip and vice versa anyway, making the additional headache for beginners unjustified imo. If anything, i feel whips are more transferable anyway (switches, flash kick,) while tucks are more useful in other domains like parkour (casts, palm flips)
I agree with everything you said haha.
I personally teach to the strength of the athlete and you will see that in one of my back flip tutorials coming soon. I have a student that would not tuck for the life of him, so I went a round about way of teaching through a whip, and now he has it on lock because it's natural for him.
I think it stems from being taught that way for themselves and/ or being taught to teach that way through an employer. Like if they start out as a gymnastics coach, they will be indoctrinated into only teaching it with strict form.
I think both shapes are very useful, it just depends on your goals for your movement style.
@@ZakFerguson that is definitely the case, and it might have worked well for them, hence they dont see a need to change how they were taught. Unfortunately, beginners usually take everything the coaches say at face value, so it can get very discouraging when their whips are looked at badly. I cant tell you have many times ive seen super flexible dancers/bboys with back handsprings unlocked, which is literally a whip backflip with hands, all the while they 'struggle' to commit to a 'backflip' because coaches tell them to jump, spot a target, then tuck. Wtf! Unless the very specific goal is a back TUCK, i dont see whats the problem. And like u said, both shapes have their uses!
hello, is the backflip tutorial going to be posted today? tomorrow is wednesday and it's the only day of the week I have access to school's gym to be able to attempt flips on mats or somewhere inside [the grass outside seems to be wet].
my plan was looking at it before my training session and applying what I see there. However I get it if the tutorial is not ready, no worries, I'll go for it some other wednesday
Hey no not this week. A special opportunity came up to do my first ever CZcams collab! It will be posted at 4pm today. I hope you'll watch it!
For the backflip tutorial it will be either next week or the week after. It all depends on if I can get to a place quiet enough to film. If I can't, it'll be Gainer Compass and then Back flip.
@@ZakFerguson makes sense, thanks for letting me know
Last weekend I learnt the Compasso, if the Gainer Compass is somehow really similar to the compasso, then that s great, I find this trick really fun to do.
Congrats! But no. It's a teaching tool to help with swings
Tuck
Even though I didn't need to tuck when I first learned it?