Extremely good work and honestly I've never been into Star Wars. Sci-Fi is my favorite, but Andor is by far the best Star Wars I've seen. I did enjoy Rogue One. It was really good to also see just normal people who aren't dealing with magic and don't have all of the power. Normal people, the resistance and the banality of evil.
Exactly. I loved that the real villain of the show was just stupid bureaucracy and ineptitude and how it affects both the rebels and the empire. Also, the Jedi are super cool but seeing a galaxy full of regular people and how they move to the rebellion is just as interesting... if not more so. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
Andor has the look and feel of Episode 4, and I loved it. I'm looking forward to the second series. As for the fandom, I learned years ago to disengage from the trolls or the overly pedantic types and just enjoy Star Wars. We're not going to agree on everything so we shouldn't try to "convert" people to agreeing with us. Toss in your two cents, then "move along, move along..."
One of Disney's biggest crime was their portrayal of stormtroopers. Instead of making them act like trained soldiers, they took their stereotype after ROTJ and ran with it. They deliberately made them even more useless with characters literally walking right up to them in the open and killing them like it was nothing. And the characters even joke about how rubbish they are. I was so happy when the Andor writers rectified this.
@CinemastersUltimateTimeline I also liked that the majority of imperial ground troops looked more like police and when the stormtroopers eventually came it, the steaks became much higher e.g. when they decide usual law enforcement isn't enough and they need the army.
@@w-james9277 SPOILERS The way Andor looks at them the way they hunt down Bix, even the revelation of Cinta's whole family being murdered by them... it was way more meaningful.
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Amazing review. For me, personally, I fell in love with the show when Syril presented the murders to his boss, and his boss knew exactly what happened with just a couple of questions. I thought " wait, an actual intelligent character? In star wars? Wow!"
NOt sure I would call what i do a review but I agree with you. the characters in this show feel a lot more real while still moving through the universe we recognize. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
Just as a correction, Disney didn't strike The Clone Wars from the Canon. They cancelled the show (partly because they didn't want to continue the contract with Cartoon Network for airing it) and brought it back yeah, but it's always been Canon because of George's extensive participation in its development. Really good video by the way, loved the distinction between 'fan' and 'fandom' section.
thanks for the correction. As far as I am concerned anything dave filoni has done is canon regardless of what Disney says... honestly, I could have added a whole section on how fans pars out what is and isn't canon, I might do that down the line. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
I have been thinking about this comment for a couple days now and i wanted to come back and just praise the way you presented the correction. I am not saying there is a right or wrong way to be a fan but there certainly is a way to make others feel valued while still offering advice or pointing out a mistake and THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT! This is exactly the kind of Fan and fandom i was trying to get across in the video. - Well done. - de Janglez
I remember when TCW originally came out and some hardcore fans hated how it decanonized the old micro series. On top of bringing in Lucas who was already on everyone’s shit list after the prequels
Sums up my thoughts on Star Wars perfectly. Grew up with the prequels, liked the series, Clone Wars was cool. Then when the Disney sequels started to come out... I just didnt really care... I still liked Star Wars, but I couldnt really see anything interesting coming out of it, I'd gotten the fun I wanted from the series and just didnt feel any need for more, after that the tidal wave of stuff thats come out since has just left me kinda cold, made it feel kinda exhausting to even bother trying to look at it again. Then I started hearing whispers about Andor, and how it actually had something to say, so I watched something Star Wars related for the first time since Clone Wars after coming home from school like a decade ago. And it was kinda amazing.
Yeah, it was always gunna be episode four but it was marketed as just Starwars and the biggest roadblock was the success of the movie. some times for the sake of flow I do skirt details but you are correct. Thanks for sharing - de Janglez
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, I did, too, and I'm excited about season 2. I actually enjoyed listening to what you had to say about fans and fandoms, and I'm definitely one of those fans that the more I know about something, the bigger the fab I feel like, however, I am one of those fans who wants more people to join the fandom, to join in on my passion and experience what I experienced. But unfortunately, there are those fans who get too..... attached, I guess? And so people who look in from the outside thinking "Hey that looks good, can I join?" The fans that are a bit too much probably bombard them, whereas I (despite being very closed off) would try to be very welcoming and see what they think is interesting and maybe point them in the right direction. I also believe that fanbases are considered toxic when those are actually toxic, unfortunately, and have the loudest mouths when the majority of the fan base (despite their differences of opinion) are most likely not like this, which is a shame that people only see the surface and don't bother looking underneath or deeper. Edit: I don't know if you've started Mandalorian yet, but a tiny spoiler for S3 is that there is a presumption that it is a little bit about the Star Wars fanbase, which I found interesting when watching it.
I’d like your opinion on the Mandalorian as a whole (Seasons 1 to 3 + BOBF episodes featuring the Mandalorian). The series starts off brilliantly in Season 1 and ended nicely in Season 2. But season 3… I’d leave you to your imagination before watching.
I haven't seen any of it yet. been catching up with some other things from last year. But if I had to take a guess about season 3 it would be because of the departure from the mando-grogu relationship and a larger focus on Mandalor and its people. Bit of a narrative shift but if you have seen the last season of clone wars it puts a lot in context for bo katan. but again, haven't actually seen any of it so that is all based on the loose threads I have gleaned from the internet. - de Janglez
I can't think of more than ... maybe 3 ... seasons of _any_ television I would put above season 1 of _Andor._ It was almost obnoxiously good, dunking on every other TV _Star Wars_ thing ever made, and pretty much all the movies, save for tESB.
I've limited my contact with the fandom due to the rampant negativity and gatekeeping, and I've been a fan since the late 80s (yes, I'm old). There are only a handful of channels I can stomach. Generation Tech, Geetsly's, Star Wars Meg and Star Wars Explained all make the cut, most of the others just have too much of a "bitch & moan 'cuz it gets clicks" vibe. And don't even get me started on the "anti-woke" crowd, they're absolutely insufferable.
So many new Star Wars channels grew big for riding the "anti woke" bandwagon. It's unsurprising if the prominent Star Wars fans now are typically "anti woke". The bandwagon is their starting point.
I think the nature of the internet and the fact that so many people produce content about the fandom means there is more discourse around the object more than ever before... for better or worse. it's not like this is a bad thing or a good thing... but it definitely has gotten noisier. - de Janglez
If you do decide to watch any other disney SW stuff, Rebels is a great show with a good heart. Especially if you loved the clone wars, because it's more or less a type of sequel to that series.
I used to be guilty of having a Star Wars superiority complex. I felt betrayed when Disney struck all the canon I had spent years consuming. I got into so many pointless arguments about why The Last Jedi is a bad movie. Now I just kind of don't care anymore. I enjoy some Star Wars projects and don't enjoy others. I do miss having something that felt like it was mine. I think toxic fandoms stem from wanting to feel important. "I put in all this effort but I'm expected to accept this casual who hasn't even seen all the movies?" But then that importance that you feel is revealed to be meaningless. It was never my movie, I only latched onto it because I liked it.
That's the harsh reality of art as a product. It's yours in how you interpret and enjoy it but because the art is commodified you don't get a say in how and what is canon and what gets merchandised. that's why a lot of fandoms have collective fan cannon. I think the important thing is to remember to share the love of the object... and more and more use collective bargaining power to keep greedy corporations from abusing the art for the sake of money. - de Janglez
Nice discussion on the Star Wars "fandom". Personally, I choose to limit my engagement with it as much as possible. To put it kindly, an unfortunately large proportion seems to be comprised of ppl who have yet to become their best possible selves.
hahahahha! OT and PT makes me think of Occupational and Physical Therapist. but there is no deeper reason I just liked the way orig trig rolled off the tongue. thanks for watching. - de Janglez
@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline Fair enough ha ha. Just finished watching your video and agree with most of it while also having followed a similar path / journey in being a Star Wars fan. I was pretty much fully settled into my apathy which even while still loving the OT and PT, what has happened to Star Wars still affects me there as no matter what you tell yourself about head cannon, you cannot ever truly forget what you sat down to expecting to at least enjoy on some level but it instead turned your love for a property and every way you interact with it upside down. Watching Andor is the first time (apart from R1) since Disney acquired SW that I have felt genuine joy and hope again for new Star Wars to a level I never expected to experience ever again. Like you I’ve had to recontextualise and segment how I look at being a fan of SW so I can cherish what I love about it while ignoring the negative elements that I don’t need in my life. I think gate keeping in a certain way is necessary and can be successful in protecting a property and it’s fandom. Not by gate keeping against other potential fans that may have a different perspective than the generally accepted one but against corporations and other entities that look to use the property and attached fandom to further their own cause at the expense of that property and it’s fandom. I think SW is a good example of one that has been brutally savaged and pillaged for a return on profit while also pushing personal political and ideological agendas. LOTR I believe is a good example where the fandom in unity has gate kept against Amazon to a relatively successful level in trying to preserve Tolkien’s work and world while Amazon try to rewrite history to justify their brain dead decisions in how they’ve “adapted” the material while still trying to pass it off as accurate. In Disney’s case, George willingly sold the property to them and a lot was shown to try and reassure fans the property was in good hands and so most people took them at some level of their word only to get severely burned once the true nature of their plans (or lack thereof) was revealed. Regarding watching Mando, seasons 1 and 2 are a decent enough watch. When only Mando existed it could be considered mediocre to good at best in comparison to how far Star Wars had fallen but never “great”. With Andor out now there really is no comparison, I think there’s still enjoyable moments to be had in Mando s1-2 but it’s generally a more casual by the numbers SW experience that does well because it does try something somewhat new and interesting but never fully embraces it like Andor does. From what I’ve seen about season 3 of Mando I honestly wouldn’t bother with it and cap your nicely resolved story at s1-2. BoBF is a cringe fest I wouldn’t touch with a 10ft lightsaber and I understand Kenobi has writing quality issues to write forever about and after all that I’m honestly not interested in much else Disney have or are releasing for SW. My only other hopeful interest at the moment apart from Andor season 2 is actually a fan edit of Kenobi by PixelJoker95 who is a VFX artist that actually worked on Andor who is turning Kenobi back into a movie and does his best to fix many elements of the story and production, if you haven’t heard of the edit yet it’s called “Kenobi: Trials of the Master” czcams.com/video/Uw1NMgSHAFA/video.html
@@craiggallagher4461 i haven't seen any of Kenobi but I will say that what the @Auralnauts channel has done with Star Wars and in particularl with Obiwan was amazing. the ballad of the clockwork man brings me true joy the way few things do. More seriously, thanks for sharing your story. - de Janglez
After seeing this show, I’m honestly not interested in anything else coming out. Jedi Fallen order and Survivor, Rogue One, and Andor are the only recent Star Wars media I’ve been able to enjoy since the original trilogy. After season 2, I think I’m done with new Star Wars. At least for the foreseeable future
ANd that is totally okay... i am pretty much in the same boat. If Ahsoka manages to be good I will stick around for that. thanks for watching. - de Janglez.
Excellent video. I'm a fan of SW but, my love really revolves around the time around the OT. So I know that there are other shows out there, mostly animated, but they really don't interest me because I feel they're really not made with me in mind and I tried some out but they just fail to keep my interest. I constantly felt like I was being talked down to in those shows and like I said, I didn't feel they were made for me. So when Rogue One came around I was interested in seeing it and I didn't care if it was a story about the DS plans. There are plenty of war movies that cover events that we know the outcome of, but if it's an interesting and daring story with great characters, then why not tell it. And that's what Rogue One was for me. A war movie set in the OT era. I was making my way through REBELS because friends thought I would enjoy it since it's around that time period, but I'm still trying to finish it. Again, it's the talking down to me bit. I think I'm in season 3 or close to 4. Plus I have a problem with some of the characters being Jedi and all the Jedi, SIth, Inquisitor stuff they have in there, because in my head canon and going back to ANH, the Jedi are almost a myth and seems forgotten and unknown. So when I saw Andor in the list of shows that were being produced, it was the only title I was interested in. Mando came out and it was all right but I didn't get any deep feeling for it, because the story and progression seemed nonsensical. It was just like a live action cartoon. That's fine. But when the first trailer for Andor dropped that got me going and everythign building up to it including seeing the preview before an IMAX showing of Rogue One got me amped even more. Andor dorpped and I was pretty much all in after Andor kills the two security guys and the Chief Inspector totally calls out what happened and wants Syril to drop it. The writing, acting, production were all movie quality and I was there for it. I'm still trying to convince more people to check it out, but they're probably sick of me talking about it. But this type and quality of show is something that can be used eslewhere in the SW universe and I would be willing to give it a go. Like a crime syndicate show or a show that takes place shortly after the events of ROTJ... Plenty of great stories to tell.
Hell yeah, I get the cartoon thing. I love the clown wars as I said but I will say that for me Ahsoka was the main character and so episodes that don't revolve around her were slow for me... epsicaily in later seasons when she left... really slowed down for me but that ending was just so tight. I understand that the clown wars show was about what happened during that time... but for me, it was always tightest when Ahsoka was on screen. i am very excited for her series too. Rosario Dawson is excellent casting. Thanks for sharing your passion. - de Janglez
You're right about the demythification of the Jedi and Force in any movies outside of OT. In OT, Jedi and Force feel special and surrounded by mystical vibes. In other media, they just don't feel as special anymore. So Andor definitely feel like a return to the original vibe.
[Star Wars normie (aka "casual") here.] Great review! Now that you've seen Andor, you may look around and notice that IRL, on a scale of democracy (0) to Brave New World (10), we're at 7, arguably already an 8 in 2023. Andor S01 is a great motivator; any steps in a positive direction are necessary. Randos unite! Keep thinking critically! :)
I don't know that i would call what I do a review but thanks for the kind words. As for the Democracy part... that sort of depends on where in the world you live. hyped for season 2 for sure. - de Janglez
After the Book of Boba Fett was over I gave up trying to follow the series. It had become a complete joke, to the point it took me months to trudge my way to Andor. And my god was it a breath of clean air after the industrial fires of Fett. Seriously, don't watch Boba Fett without copious amounts of liquor.
The Mandalorian, Rogue One, and Andor do not have strong solid stories. They rely on nostalgia. Seriously how has star wars grown under these series? We are still in the time line of A new hope, and the force Awakens. When do we get new Star wars? When do we get new characters? New adventures? The three Star Wars series I just named are still fighting the empire. How long are we gonna a fight the empire? Where are the Jedi? Isn't andor gonna die? So we're watching a show where we know how it ends, so what's the point of it. How does Andor expand the series? It's stuck in the ot. This is why Star Wars sucks now. It used to be about Adventures amd fun. Now it's, Ohh remember this? Remember that remember remember? *PEW PEW* Lazer, *whoosh whoosh* ship sound, and occasionally a Lightsaber.
I do think new adventures and characters would be nice, but I don't mind watching a story even though we know the ending. sometimes the journey is worth more than the ending. We don't generally read a book to get to the end. other wise we would just open to the last page and read that instead of the whole book. Either way thanks for sharing your opinion, I agree with the points about new adventures. thanks for watching - de Janglez
It’s a shame because I went into this video expecting well thought out arguments but what you said about The Rise Of Skywalker isn’t just stupid but objectively false. It’s definitely a flawed film, mostly in terms of pacing, but to pretend the film is “about nothing” and has nothing to say is blatantly disingenuous or shows gross lack of media literacy. Episode 9 has quite a lot to say about blood, family, legacy and self worth. It’s honestly hilarious when people say Rogue One was good, when that film is the definition of a shallow, nothing film that has exactly zero substance but then lies about TROS being bad. And don’t get me wrong, after this uncharacteristically invalid and inaccurate statement, the rest of the video is fantastic. Just a shame the very beginning of the video has such a baseless and illiterate comment.
I mean that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. but I would advise caution when throwing around the word "objectively". all art and the interpretation of it is subjective. I have my opinions and I am delighted you have yours. I do worry your passion might dissuade others from enjoying discourse around the object. That being said, I can see you really care and that is what fandom is about so thank you for sharing. on the other hand if you're just trolling then well done anyway. - de Janglez
Your opinion in and of itself is not objective. It is subjective, because it specifically comes from you, a subject with an opinion. Much like my opinions are subjective and not objective too.
To say Rogue One is a "shallow, nothing film that has exactly zero substance" is, while your opinion, discounts the rest of what you argue. Rogue One builds on the story of the OT.
@vatopunko You’re objectively wrong lmao. TROS is completely internally consistent with itself. The only real problem with 9 is the pacing and even that is only an issue in the first act.
Andor is indeed just a great show all around. Star Wars is lucky to have Andor counted as part of it.
this is well said. - de Janglez
Extremely good work and honestly I've never been into Star Wars. Sci-Fi is my favorite, but Andor is by far the best Star Wars I've seen. I did enjoy Rogue One. It was really good to also see just normal people who aren't dealing with magic and don't have all of the power.
Normal people, the resistance and the banality of evil.
Exactly. I loved that the real villain of the show was just stupid bureaucracy and ineptitude and how it affects both the rebels and the empire. Also, the Jedi are super cool but seeing a galaxy full of regular people and how they move to the rebellion is just as interesting... if not more so. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
Andor has the look and feel of Episode 4, and I loved it. I'm looking forward to the second series.
As for the fandom, I learned years ago to disengage from the trolls or the overly pedantic types and just enjoy Star Wars. We're not going to agree on everything so we shouldn't try to "convert" people to agreeing with us. Toss in your two cents, then "move along, move along..."
very well said. I am very impressed with how cohesive they got the show to look technology-wise. - de Janglez
One of Disney's biggest crime was their portrayal of stormtroopers. Instead of making them act like trained soldiers, they took their stereotype after ROTJ and ran with it. They deliberately made them even more useless with characters literally walking right up to them in the open and killing them like it was nothing. And the characters even joke about how rubbish they are. I was so happy when the Andor writers rectified this.
Yeah man. they were the elite soldiers of the empire... and that mean something in Andor- de Janglez
@CinemastersUltimateTimeline I also liked that the majority of imperial ground troops looked more like police and when the stormtroopers eventually came it, the steaks became much higher e.g. when they decide usual law enforcement isn't enough and they need the army.
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The way Andor looks at them the way they hunt down Bix, even the revelation of Cinta's whole family being murdered by them... it was way more meaningful.
Amazing review. For me, personally, I fell in love with the show when Syril presented the murders to his boss, and his boss knew exactly what happened with just a couple of questions. I thought " wait, an actual intelligent character? In star wars? Wow!"
NOt sure I would call what i do a review but I agree with you. the characters in this show feel a lot more real while still moving through the universe we recognize. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
Just as a correction, Disney didn't strike The Clone Wars from the Canon. They cancelled the show (partly because they didn't want to continue the contract with Cartoon Network for airing it) and brought it back yeah, but it's always been Canon because of George's extensive participation in its development.
Really good video by the way, loved the distinction between 'fan' and 'fandom' section.
thanks for the correction. As far as I am concerned anything dave filoni has done is canon regardless of what Disney says... honestly, I could have added a whole section on how fans pars out what is and isn't canon, I might do that down the line. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
I have been thinking about this comment for a couple days now and i wanted to come back and just praise the way you presented the correction. I am not saying there is a right or wrong way to be a fan but there certainly is a way to make others feel valued while still offering advice or pointing out a mistake and THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT! This is exactly the kind of Fan and fandom i was trying to get across in the video. - Well done. - de Janglez
I remember when TCW originally came out and some hardcore fans hated how it decanonized the old micro series. On top of bringing in Lucas who was already on everyone’s shit list after the prequels
Criminally low views on this video. Very well done.
Thank you for watching - de Janglez
Just like on Andor. Ironic…
@@Zet237yt and the fac that it is true for both depresses me - de Janglez
It’s okay. Just like the rebellion, it always starts small, simmering from below…
@@daniaaal Thanks for the Vote of confidence. I really appreciate that. - de Janglez
Sums up my thoughts on Star Wars perfectly.
Grew up with the prequels, liked the series, Clone Wars was cool.
Then when the Disney sequels started to come out... I just didnt really care...
I still liked Star Wars, but I couldnt really see anything interesting coming out of it, I'd gotten the fun I wanted from the series and just didnt feel any need for more, after that the tidal wave of stuff thats come out since has just left me kinda cold, made it feel kinda exhausting to even bother trying to look at it again.
Then I started hearing whispers about Andor, and how it actually had something to say, so I watched something Star Wars related for the first time since Clone Wars after coming home from school like a decade ago.
And it was kinda amazing.
@MichaelS-jk8tj said it best I think "Star Wars is lucky to have Andor."
Grim Fandango series when?
RIGHT!!! or at least a new game... a commemorative pin... at this point I would take anything. - de Janglez
It’s funny how I keep forgetting rise of skywalker exists until a video like this reminds me.
Great video btw I also loved andor
It certainly was a movie that happened. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez
A note: Lucas might have changed his mind, but back in the late 70s, we all knew he intended 9 movies. 3 trilogies.
Yeah, it was always gunna be episode four but it was marketed as just Starwars and the biggest roadblock was the success of the movie. some times for the sake of flow I do skirt details but you are correct. Thanks for sharing - de Janglez
Oh man... Grim Fandango... There is a name I hadn't thought of or heard in a long long time...
Before Coco, one of my fantasies was _WALT DISNEY AND LUCASFILM PRESENTS, A FILM BY PIXAR ANIMATION STUDIOS: GRIM FANDANGO_
That is a solid wishful thinking movie. I would watch that... but I think the writing would need to be on point. - de Janglez
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, I did, too, and I'm excited about season 2.
I actually enjoyed listening to what you had to say about fans and fandoms, and I'm definitely one of those fans that the more I know about something, the bigger the fab I feel like, however, I am one of those fans who wants more people to join the fandom, to join in on my passion and experience what I experienced. But unfortunately, there are those fans who get too..... attached, I guess? And so people who look in from the outside thinking "Hey that looks good, can I join?" The fans that are a bit too much probably bombard them, whereas I (despite being very closed off) would try to be very welcoming and see what they think is interesting and maybe point them in the right direction.
I also believe that fanbases are considered toxic when those are actually toxic, unfortunately, and have the loudest mouths when the majority of the fan base (despite their differences of opinion) are most likely not like this, which is a shame that people only see the surface and don't bother looking underneath or deeper.
Edit: I don't know if you've started Mandalorian yet, but a tiny spoiler for S3 is that there is a presumption that it is a little bit about the Star Wars fanbase, which I found interesting when watching it.
I still haven't started it... I went off on a whole series about childhood and I have been focusing on that. - de Janglez
I’d like your opinion on the Mandalorian as a whole (Seasons 1 to 3 + BOBF episodes featuring the Mandalorian). The series starts off brilliantly in Season 1 and ended nicely in Season 2. But season 3… I’d leave you to your imagination before watching.
I haven't seen any of it yet. been catching up with some other things from last year. But if I had to take a guess about season 3 it would be because of the departure from the mando-grogu relationship and a larger focus on Mandalor and its people. Bit of a narrative shift but if you have seen the last season of clone wars it puts a lot in context for bo katan. but again, haven't actually seen any of it so that is all based on the loose threads I have gleaned from the internet. - de Janglez
I can't think of more than ... maybe 3 ... seasons of _any_ television I would put above season 1 of _Andor._ It was almost obnoxiously good, dunking on every other TV _Star Wars_ thing ever made, and pretty much all the movies, save for tESB.
Obnoxiously good is an excellent phrase. Thank you for that and thank you for watching. - de Janglez
I've limited my contact with the fandom due to the rampant negativity and gatekeeping, and I've been a fan since the late 80s (yes, I'm old). There are only a handful of channels I can stomach. Generation Tech, Geetsly's, Star Wars Meg and Star Wars Explained all make the cut, most of the others just have too much of a "bitch & moan 'cuz it gets clicks" vibe. And don't even get me started on the "anti-woke" crowd, they're absolutely insufferable.
Well, thanks for sharing. Fandom and being a fan can be difficult. - de Janglez
So many new Star Wars channels grew big for riding the "anti woke" bandwagon. It's unsurprising if the prominent Star Wars fans now are typically "anti woke". The bandwagon is their starting point.
I've come to dislike fandoms in general, I don't know what has happened but it feels like fandoms are just toxic by nature.
I think the nature of the internet and the fact that so many people produce content about the fandom means there is more discourse around the object more than ever before... for better or worse. it's not like this is a bad thing or a good thing... but it definitely has gotten noisier. - de Janglez
If you do decide to watch any other disney SW stuff, Rebels is a great show with a good heart. Especially if you loved the clone wars, because it's more or less a type of sequel to that series.
I hear good things. I also hear they have done some neat stuff around the history of jedi and sith technology. - de Janglez
I used to be guilty of having a Star Wars superiority complex. I felt betrayed when Disney struck all the canon I had spent years consuming. I got into so many pointless arguments about why The Last Jedi is a bad movie. Now I just kind of don't care anymore. I enjoy some Star Wars projects and don't enjoy others. I do miss having something that felt like it was mine. I think toxic fandoms stem from wanting to feel important. "I put in all this effort but I'm expected to accept this casual who hasn't even seen all the movies?" But then that importance that you feel is revealed to be meaningless. It was never my movie, I only latched onto it because I liked it.
That's the harsh reality of art as a product. It's yours in how you interpret and enjoy it but because the art is commodified you don't get a say in how and what is canon and what gets merchandised. that's why a lot of fandoms have collective fan cannon. I think the important thing is to remember to share the love of the object... and more and more use collective bargaining power to keep greedy corporations from abusing the art for the sake of money. - de Janglez
@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline That's a positive way to look at it. I'm going to keep that in mind the next time I'm salty over something.
Nice discussion on the Star Wars "fandom". Personally, I choose to limit my engagement with it as much as possible. To put it kindly, an unfortunately large proportion seems to be comprised of ppl who have yet to become their best possible selves.
that's a good way to put it and it got a chuckle out of me. Thanks for watching - de Janglez
“Orig Trig”? It’s just “OT” for short which works perfectly along with the PT and ST ;)
hahahahha! OT and PT makes me think of Occupational and Physical Therapist. but there is no deeper reason I just liked the way orig trig rolled off the tongue. thanks for watching. - de Janglez
@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline Fair enough ha ha. Just finished watching your video and agree with most of it while also having followed a similar path / journey in being a Star Wars fan. I was pretty much fully settled into my apathy which even while still loving the OT and PT, what has happened to Star Wars still affects me there as no matter what you tell yourself about head cannon, you cannot ever truly forget what you sat down to expecting to at least enjoy on some level but it instead turned your love for a property and every way you interact with it upside down. Watching Andor is the first time (apart from R1) since Disney acquired SW that I have felt genuine joy and hope again for new Star Wars to a level I never expected to experience ever again. Like you I’ve had to recontextualise and segment how I look at being a fan of SW so I can cherish what I love about it while ignoring the negative elements that I don’t need in my life.
I think gate keeping in a certain way is necessary and can be successful in protecting a property and it’s fandom. Not by gate keeping against other potential fans that may have a different perspective than the generally accepted one but against corporations and other entities that look to use the property and attached fandom to further their own cause at the expense of that property and it’s fandom. I think SW is a good example of one that has been brutally savaged and pillaged for a return on profit while also pushing personal political and ideological agendas. LOTR I believe is a good example where the fandom in unity has gate kept against Amazon to a relatively successful level in trying to preserve Tolkien’s work and world while Amazon try to rewrite history to justify their brain dead decisions in how they’ve “adapted” the material while still trying to pass it off as accurate. In Disney’s case, George willingly sold the property to them and a lot was shown to try and reassure fans the property was in good hands and so most people took them at some level of their word only to get severely burned once the true nature of their plans (or lack thereof) was revealed.
Regarding watching Mando, seasons 1 and 2 are a decent enough watch. When only Mando existed it could be considered mediocre to good at best in comparison to how far Star Wars had fallen but never “great”. With Andor out now there really is no comparison, I think there’s still enjoyable moments to be had in Mando s1-2 but it’s generally a more casual by the numbers SW experience that does well because it does try something somewhat new and interesting but never fully embraces it like Andor does. From what I’ve seen about season 3 of Mando I honestly wouldn’t bother with it and cap your nicely resolved story at s1-2.
BoBF is a cringe fest I wouldn’t touch with a 10ft lightsaber and I understand Kenobi has writing quality issues to write forever about and after all that I’m honestly not interested in much else Disney have or are releasing for SW.
My only other hopeful interest at the moment apart from Andor season 2 is actually a fan edit of Kenobi by PixelJoker95 who is a VFX artist that actually worked on Andor who is turning Kenobi back into a movie and does his best to fix many elements of the story and production, if you haven’t heard of the edit yet it’s called “Kenobi: Trials of the Master”
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@@craiggallagher4461 i haven't seen any of Kenobi but I will say that what the @Auralnauts channel has done with Star Wars and in particularl with Obiwan was amazing. the ballad of the clockwork man brings me true joy the way few things do. More seriously, thanks for sharing your story. - de Janglez
Was worried this video wouldn't lead you to call Andor fans annoying.
Probably my favourite piece of star wars ever.
After seeing this show, I’m honestly not interested in anything else coming out. Jedi Fallen order and Survivor, Rogue One, and Andor are the only recent Star Wars media I’ve been able to enjoy since the original trilogy. After season 2, I think I’m done with new Star Wars. At least for the foreseeable future
ANd that is totally okay... i am pretty much in the same boat. If Ahsoka manages to be good I will stick around for that. thanks for watching. - de Janglez.
Tony Gilroy is NOT a Star Wars fan. He said that often enough. But that was the advatage. He wanted to tell a story and didn't care about fan service.
He knows how to tell a fine story either way. - de Janglez
I’m not a Star Wars fan, never been one. To be honest I could give a shit less about a Star War. Andor was dope though.
SOme of the best television I have seen since Chornobyl. Thanks for commenting. - de Janglez
Excellent video. I'm a fan of SW but, my love really revolves around the time around the OT. So I know that there are other shows out there, mostly animated, but they really don't interest me because I feel they're really not made with me in mind and I tried some out but they just fail to keep my interest. I constantly felt like I was being talked down to in those shows and like I said, I didn't feel they were made for me. So when Rogue One came around I was interested in seeing it and I didn't care if it was a story about the DS plans. There are plenty of war movies that cover events that we know the outcome of, but if it's an interesting and daring story with great characters, then why not tell it. And that's what Rogue One was for me. A war movie set in the OT era.
I was making my way through REBELS because friends thought I would enjoy it since it's around that time period, but I'm still trying to finish it. Again, it's the talking down to me bit. I think I'm in season 3 or close to 4. Plus I have a problem with some of the characters being Jedi and all the Jedi, SIth, Inquisitor stuff they have in there, because in my head canon and going back to ANH, the Jedi are almost a myth and seems forgotten and unknown.
So when I saw Andor in the list of shows that were being produced, it was the only title I was interested in. Mando came out and it was all right but I didn't get any deep feeling for it, because the story and progression seemed nonsensical. It was just like a live action cartoon. That's fine. But when the first trailer for Andor dropped that got me going and everythign building up to it including seeing the preview before an IMAX showing of Rogue One got me amped even more.
Andor dorpped and I was pretty much all in after Andor kills the two security guys and the Chief Inspector totally calls out what happened and wants Syril to drop it. The writing, acting, production were all movie quality and I was there for it. I'm still trying to convince more people to check it out, but they're probably sick of me talking about it. But this type and quality of show is something that can be used eslewhere in the SW universe and I would be willing to give it a go. Like a crime syndicate show or a show that takes place shortly after the events of ROTJ... Plenty of great stories to tell.
Hell yeah, I get the cartoon thing. I love the clown wars as I said but I will say that for me Ahsoka was the main character and so episodes that don't revolve around her were slow for me... epsicaily in later seasons when she left... really slowed down for me but that ending was just so tight. I understand that the clown wars show was about what happened during that time... but for me, it was always tightest when Ahsoka was on screen. i am very excited for her series too. Rosario Dawson is excellent casting. Thanks for sharing your passion. - de Janglez
You're right about the demythification of the Jedi and Force in any movies outside of OT. In OT, Jedi and Force feel special and surrounded by mystical vibes. In other media, they just don't feel as special anymore. So Andor definitely feel like a return to the original vibe.
I like the idea of andor even though I haven't seen more than reviews 😎that will likely change 👍
I came into it only wanting Alan Tudyk and I left loving the show. i hope you enjoy it - de Janglez
Amazing video!!!!!! Thank you!
THanks for watching. - de Janglez
[Star Wars normie (aka "casual") here.] Great review! Now that you've seen Andor, you may look around and notice that IRL, on a scale of democracy (0) to Brave New World (10), we're at 7, arguably already an 8 in 2023.
Andor S01 is a great motivator; any steps in a positive direction are necessary.
Randos unite! Keep thinking critically! :)
I don't know that i would call what I do a review but thanks for the kind words. As for the Democracy part... that sort of depends on where in the world you live.
hyped for season 2 for sure. - de Janglez
After the Book of Boba Fett was over I gave up trying to follow the series. It had become a complete joke, to the point it took me months to trudge my way to Andor.
And my god was it a breath of clean air after the industrial fires of Fett. Seriously, don't watch Boba Fett without copious amounts of liquor.
Thanks for the heads up. - de Janglez
Great and insightful video that needs more views
THanks for watching. - de Janglez
Idk where you heard book of boba was good but its seriously trash lol
The Mandalorian, Rogue One, and Andor do not have strong solid stories. They rely on nostalgia. Seriously how has star wars grown under these series? We are still in the time line of A new hope, and the force Awakens. When do we get new Star wars? When do we get new characters? New adventures? The three Star Wars series I just named are still fighting the empire. How long are we gonna a fight the empire? Where are the Jedi? Isn't andor gonna die? So we're watching a show where we know how it ends, so what's the point of it. How does Andor expand the series? It's stuck in the ot. This is why Star Wars sucks now. It used to be about Adventures amd fun. Now it's, Ohh remember this? Remember that remember remember? *PEW PEW* Lazer, *whoosh whoosh* ship sound, and occasionally a Lightsaber.
I do think new adventures and characters would be nice, but I don't mind watching a story even though we know the ending. sometimes the journey is worth more than the ending. We don't generally read a book to get to the end. other wise we would just open to the last page and read that instead of the whole book. Either way thanks for sharing your opinion, I agree with the points about new adventures. thanks for watching - de Janglez
It’s a shame because I went into this video expecting well thought out arguments but what you said about The Rise Of Skywalker isn’t just stupid but objectively false. It’s definitely a flawed film, mostly in terms of pacing, but to pretend the film is “about nothing” and has nothing to say is blatantly disingenuous or shows gross lack of media literacy. Episode 9 has quite a lot to say about blood, family, legacy and self worth. It’s honestly hilarious when people say Rogue One was good, when that film is the definition of a shallow, nothing film that has exactly zero substance but then lies about TROS being bad.
And don’t get me wrong, after this uncharacteristically invalid and inaccurate statement, the rest of the video is fantastic. Just a shame the very beginning of the video has such a baseless and illiterate comment.
I mean that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. but I would advise caution when throwing around the word "objectively". all art and the interpretation of it is subjective. I have my opinions and I am delighted you have yours. I do worry your passion might dissuade others from enjoying discourse around the object. That being said, I can see you really care and that is what fandom is about so thank you for sharing. on the other hand if you're just trolling then well done anyway. - de Janglez
Rogue One is the essence of Star Wars.
Your opinion in and of itself is not objective. It is subjective, because it specifically comes from you, a subject with an opinion. Much like my opinions are subjective and not objective too.
To say Rogue One is a "shallow, nothing film that has exactly zero substance" is, while your opinion, discounts the rest of what you argue. Rogue One builds on the story of the OT.
@vatopunko You’re objectively wrong lmao. TROS is completely internally consistent with itself. The only real problem with 9 is the pacing and even that is only an issue in the first act.