Aliner Roof Condensation Solution

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  • čas přidán 28. 08. 2024

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  • @CosmoWeems
    @CosmoWeems Před 5 lety +2

    There are 4 sources of water vaper. You Hubby Ranger and the heater. Each human breathes out about a pint of water - that's a quart. Not sure what ranger is producing. The big producer is the Wave heater. If I did my research correctly one gallon of propane puts out 2 quarts of water. Not sure how much your are burning overnight. I am not in an aliner but my solution when I was using Mr Heater was to leave the top vent open (mine it at the highest point) that carried out warm moist air (unfortunately heat too). It was less efficient but helped me reduce condensation. I have since changed to a Propex HS 2000 (about $900) heater which emits no moisture but makes more noise. I have a video on that heater. Nice to see you producing videos again! Looking forward to more. -Cosmo

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Hi Cosmo - I spent some time checking out the Propex heater which I wasn't familiar with, so thanks! It looks like a good unit and I'll definitely keep it in mind if we ever get even more serious about long winter camping trips. (Or I ever get to design my dream custom off-road van/RV). We always vent a window with the Wave 3 for safety, and yes, even NOT running that heater we get some condensation in cold weather. Our Aliner with double dormers has roughly 506 cu. ft of interior space to heat, and the Wave 3 doesn't add more than 20 degrees above outside temps in our situation. The pros are we can run it all night and it's quiet and uses very little propane, but interestingly it looks like it uses about the same as the Propex 2000 if running continuously. (4.1 oz for the Wave 3 on "high" vs. 5 for your Propex). The Aliner came with a Atwood hydro flame AFS forced air furnace which works somewhat like the Propex but is noisy and because of the thermostat location we can't run it all night. I think in our future we'll reconsider the Wave 3 and either get a Wave 6 or look at the Propex in more detail. And look into getting a different thermostat control. I think one issue for me, since I'm a light sleeper, would be the constant cycling off and on of the Propex fan...maybe there's a way to keep the fan running even when the heat isn't being generated? (Like in some hotels)? Thanks again.

    • @CosmoWeems
      @CosmoWeems Před 5 lety

      @@averagealice8877 Another popular far less expensive option are the crop of Diesel fuel forced hot air heaters. They sell for as little as $200 vs the Propex at $900. Thuy use these diesel heaters to heat the cab of trucks when parked overnight. Users love them. THey look and operate much like the Propex but rung on Diesel fuel. I have not used the Propex in very cold weather yet. The Fuel consumption may be the same as the Wave but in my case it turns on and off so the duty cycle (running tine) is not very long. Maybe 20 min over an hour but I am not sure yet. Sorry cant help with waking up when your snoozing. Maybe a glass of wine or a good time to give Ranger a hug,

  • @responsiblelogic9478
    @responsiblelogic9478 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the video! I camp in the snow when the temp never gets above freezing and use closed cell pipe insulation inside the roof peak, and on all the joints of the panels (inspired by S. Potato), to cut down on drafts. Works great but there's no water absorption capability and, since I can't dry something out (due to very cold temps) I deal with drips. The insulation helps keep the alum frame frozen, but behind the insulation, so it doesn't drip a lot unless it's allowed to thaw. Still working on this issue. It's one of the compromises that go along with having a folding trailer. Great input from you, thanks for sharing!

  • @pilgrimjane1
    @pilgrimjane1 Před 5 lety +1

    thanks for posting Alice, always enjoy watching what you're doing with you A-van. We have a cruiseliner a-van which doesn't have the dormer windows but looks very similar. cheeers from Australia.

  • @susanpremo8068
    @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

    We just bought but haven't been able to use yet, a aliner classic, the woman we bought it from told us to make sure that one side, the top, is just a touch higher than the other, so it shouldn't leak. I just joined this Facebook forum, midwest aframe repair & service, no comments can be made, just a professional person that answers questions. I think she got that idea from him. Anyway thought you might like it.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 3 lety

      Thanks. The only actual rain leak we've had has been at the lowest point of the side wall of our dormer. Also water gets in the peak of the roof when we hose it off sometimes with water spraying at the wrong angle. I'm not sure how raising one end of the trailer would change those - I imagine you'd have to really not be level to make a difference and we want it level for our refrigerator. The roof is made with an overlapping lip on the top panel to keep rain out.

  • @jamescoombs4754
    @jamescoombs4754 Před 5 měsíci

    I put self adhesive felt over the aluminum on the peak no more condensation issues it comes in various widths

  • @mickdill5469
    @mickdill5469 Před 3 lety

    Thank you Alice! I've been working on ideas of how to resolve this.

  • @mikeboz4444
    @mikeboz4444 Před 4 lety +1

    Huge thanks for the heads up!!

  • @mjbarran
    @mjbarran Před 5 lety +1

    I look forward to your posts. Thank you!

  • @axemanfishing2703
    @axemanfishing2703 Před 5 lety

    Excellent ideas on the highest point center drip fix, I like it. Also, the one thing I hate about ALL RV's is the thermostat. They are useless, this is why I always install digital thermostats in my rv's. They are battery controlled, cheap to buy, the two wire works well for the stock wiring with no need for 12 volt power. Makes the LP stock heaters operate much more efficiently, less propane waste, they cycle less often, and make an rv way more comfy. I live in Canada, so when boon docking, its a must, otherwise, we use small electric heaters, no condensation issues but still keep the windows cracked slightly. Co2 detectors, a must must must at all times. We have NOT tried this in an aliner as yet, but have in much larger units. We get our basic aliner ranger 12 next week, and can hardly wait. :-) I plan to vapor barrier the floor underneath, then add 2 inch foam insulation between the frame cavities. Our last camper was an old coleman tent trailer that I rebuilt, and I gotta tell ya, it was no better than a tent for retaining heat in cold weather. Thanks for sharing your great ideas, its helping me plan for my project. :-)

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks. Our Aliner has a Dometic digital thermostat (12 volt) - we just need to move it - we'll probably store it loose in a cabinet and pull it out when necessary...maybe attach a longer wire. Yes we've run a electric space heater off of our generator on one trip (boondocking) but haven't figured out the energy use pros and cons vs. just using the RV propane heater & fan. Let me know if you've got a comparison on that! My guess: using the RV heater allows you to camp longer unless you're hauling a lot of extra gasoline for the generator... But we have 2 propane tanks... probably depends on your exact setup.

    • @axemanfishing2703
      @axemanfishing2703 Před 5 lety

      @@averagealice8877 Oh yes, the newer have the digital thermostat, but does it go below 40F? If not, replace it with one that does and you will be fine without having to even move it. I am going to try your trick with the shower bar, but will hang a piece of reflectix to cover a large portion of roof, as this will reflect the heat that rises back to us, while minimizing condensation, at least in theory. Will test it and see. Aluminum is an excellent conductor, so, using reflectix should lessen ice build up. We hate generators, will not use them. So, its either shore power, or boondocking with the LP heater, or a coolcat coleman that we have and use heavy sleeping bags. I am certain adding vapor barrier and insulation to the floor will achieve excellent results. I did this to my cottage many years ago, and could not believe how warm the floors became just by stopping moisture from penetrating through our floor. Happy trails Alice. Cheers Al

  • @popatop75
    @popatop75 Před 4 lety

    thank you very very much for the idea. i have a aliner but my windows leaks will try this thanks again

  • @jonsmith2217
    @jonsmith2217 Před 5 lety

    I talked to several places about condensation on the inside of a roof of a cargo trailer. There has to be an air gap between the top of the ceiling and the outside of the roof. And they won't that are Gap space between the ceiling and outside roof vented to the outside. I hope I have enough of an air gap not to cause moisture on my cargo trailer project. And I'm not sure if I'll have space enough to vent that are Gap outside ideally. Most businesses in the winter time I noticed have condensation on the inside Windows a lot of them do on single pane glass. At Cracker Barrel in the winter time freezing cold outside there's no condensation on a single pane window on the inside. But they have the baseboard Electric heaters that's hot located under each window. And there's no condensation on the windows in the winter time. Moisture causes mold unless it's dried up and cleaned with bleach if needed. You just don't want to start a mold problem.

  • @herbclark2476
    @herbclark2476 Před 5 lety +1

    That was an interesting suggestion!

  • @noniemcd
    @noniemcd Před 5 lety +1

    I love your videos, Alice.

  • @boba6776
    @boba6776 Před 5 lety +1

    Hi Alice - Ranger looks like he is having a good time camping with you - hard to train a puppy in a small camper. Nice video and solution to the dripping problem. I wonder if you are planning on doing more camping as it gets colder. Bob

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Bob A I’d love to but it’s really difficult with a puppy! Still considering our options. When they’re so young boarding them might be too stressful ?

  • @chenwu9788
    @chenwu9788 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for sharing the solution,

  • @jayjeep6178
    @jayjeep6178 Před 5 lety

    Another good idea ! I did use your grey water tank idea it works like a charm . Did a video giving you the credit. Also watch Slim Potatohead . Keep up the good work.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety +1

      Old Man and a Jeep KJ So happy the tank has been helpful !

  • @garywells3874
    @garywells3874 Před 5 lety

    I like how you show how to do things and not talk about them. If we could use a very small wood fireplace the wet would go away because of dry heat. Propane heat produces water.

    • @whatafukndick5660
      @whatafukndick5660 Před rokem

      !00% correct, using the vented furnace is best. I remove my roof vent and run a small wood stove in mine for longer camping in the cold. I built a metal box that the pipe slides through, and fills the hole.

  • @dkafsky
    @dkafsky Před 4 lety +1

    The catalytic heater puts out H²O .
    A vented heater or more ventilation is needed.

  • @xv9dl
    @xv9dl Před 5 lety

    Good info. I too have a small Aliner and a Wave 3 and a Wave 6. The wave 6 really heats up the place but produces a lot of water. The wave 3 not as much. The problem is I often camp at 10K feet in CO where the weather can be very cold at night. Thinking of buying a Kifaru wood stove and using that to heat the place. The combustion takes place inside the stove and is vented out the pipe that exits from the open window. I would still have to contend with my own body water production. I will have to experiment this winter to see what works best.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Chuc Mung That’s very interesting about the wave six- we are thinking about getting one maybe. I guess my preference for a propane heater would be that we can run it all night. Not sure how you do that with a wood stove?

    • @xv9dl
      @xv9dl Před 5 lety

      @@averagealice8877 From my tent camping days, I never run a stove or heater all night. So a wood/propane stove is only for the early morning or evening. You can't feed it all night. I just make sure I wear military poly underwear inside my sleeping bag. My bag is a -10F Alps Redwood full size rectangle bag on top of a 6" memory foam mattress. The Aliner cushions are not really good for cold weather. I know all I listed helps you but not your pooch, So I guess you need to make a nice warm bed for him with blankets. I did that for my small dog. She was fine. Cute dog.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Chuc Mung Thanks- good idea on the underwear. To be honest we just wear stretchy clothes or sometimes wool sweaters to bed because it makes it easier to go out in the middle of the night if nature calls. Also use two heavy sleeping bags in top (one minus 10) and a home bedspread underneath. I have experienced a couple of nights where it seemed the cushions were the coldest! I was somewhat surprised.

  • @anthonyhitchings1051
    @anthonyhitchings1051 Před 4 lety

    we moved our thermostat to a fixed beside the light fixture above the rear bed, we can reach it from bed :-)

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 4 lety

      Good move. We did finally remove ours from the wall but kept the wires intact and mounted it in a plastic box in the cupboard. It’s a little strange but at least now we can get to it

  • @BrandonViani
    @BrandonViani Před 3 lety

    Good to know thanx

  • @HobbsHorror
    @HobbsHorror Před 5 lety

    What a great idea could use that for my rig

  • @cookiemonster93fly
    @cookiemonster93fly Před 4 lety

    smart idea

  • @flyfliker
    @flyfliker Před 5 lety +1

    Easy solution, Great video. How does the trailer pull behind your SUV

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      FlyCaster just great! We can’t see over the top behind us but it hasn’t been a problem.

  • @f42un84u
    @f42un84u Před 5 lety

    Possibly consider wireless thermostat located where you need heat and positive controlled ventilation via roof vent and fan. I find a slightly open side window and slightly open roof vent is enough. Very little condensation. Alternatively moisture absorbing devices(Dollar tree) and/or mini electronic dehumidifier (Amazon) do help. Hate to see you risk a fall or pole drop with that towel pole solution.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Wireless a possible idea. We ended up moving the thermostat (wired still) so we can pull it out and use it above the bed when we need to. Sorry to disagree about the venting solution though, especially if it's below freezing outside. It just makes it too unbearable inside the trailer. At my age my motto is "Use it or lose it" so it's good for me to do some acrobatics occasionally

  • @anthonyhitchings1051
    @anthonyhitchings1051 Před 5 lety

    your water problem may explain why another post shows two campers installing a temporary PVC and foamboard false ceiling - look for it - it may help you out. It was quite clever.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Yes I've seen that. I guess it's not my favorite because of the bulk of hauling the ceiling materials along with you and the time to put it up each time you move

    • @mickdill5469
      @mickdill5469 Před 3 lety

      Anthony, can you find/share this link you are talking about?

  • @SalmanShaikh-my8es
    @SalmanShaikh-my8es Před 5 lety

    can you plz show us how aliner roof mechanism actually works i want DIY Aliner..hope you reply with a video..thanks

  • @larrymarkham2627
    @larrymarkham2627 Před rokem

    Propane makes condensation I would switch to a diesel heater you will have dry heat then

  • @harrymills2770
    @harrymills2770 Před rokem

    So the propane heat in the A-Liner is exhausting into the cabin? Doesn't use a heat-exchanger and blow hot air?

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před rokem

      We no longer have this Aliner, but it came equipped with a standard RV propane heater with exhaust to outside, and then we added a Wave 3 catalytic heater.

  • @patrickmckowen2999
    @patrickmckowen2999 Před 4 lety

    Good info 👍

  • @Cockeyed_Den8213
    @Cockeyed_Den8213 Před 5 lety

    I'm not sure if this will help you or not because I have a cargo trailer and it use to drip to I got two big computer cooling fan like Slim did and blow one up the wall and had the other blowing from back to front and with the little bit of heat I had in the trailer it stopped the Condensation. Now I am insulating the whole thing because I am in the south and the heat is really bad yesterday while I was working on it a bit I did get a little Condensation but I had the doors open and it was cool outside and two people inside breathing caused it to form on the ribs of the trailer. So I will be putting my fan's back up one I have the insulation done just so I can work with out having it drip on me while working. Heat is the best thing to combat it I'm working on that to right now I use an oil lamp vented to the out side it works well but if it get's down in the 40's it still gets cold the insulation should help with that and give me more dry heat to keep the Condensation under control.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Den The cockeyed camper Interesting idea with the fans. We did try using one small fan one night when it got down to the 20s outside but didn’t notice a big improvement (in AZ). I’ll think about two. One issue is my husband doesn’t like blowing fans even in a hotel LOL

    • @susanpremo8068
      @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

      @@averagealice8877 me either, I like what fans do for you, but I cant stand them blowing on my skin.

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 Před 5 lety

    would putting a section of gutter with drain line help ? you could make a cup style holder on each side and slide it into place

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      Creative idea! I'm not sure how you would seal the gutter against the roof so it catches the water as it runs down the inside of the roof (not all of it drips straight down)

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 Před 5 lety

      @@averagealice8877 add a drip edge with aluminium strip

  • @colinl9018
    @colinl9018 Před 4 lety

    I think you may be mistaking aluminium surfaces for 'steel'

  • @susanpremo8068
    @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

    Hey Alice, do you know of what the best material is to cover an a liner? We have to store ours outdoors, thanks!

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 3 lety

      Sorry I don't. We haven't been covering ours and we probably should have!

    • @susanpremo8068
      @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

      @@averagealice8877 do you store your outside? I'm in Minnesota, so snow. I suppose we'll get a tarp for it. Not covering yours, is your camper still fine?

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 3 lety +1

      Susan Premo we are in San Diego so no snow and not enough rain. There are lots of discussions about some of your issues on the A frame camper group on groups.io. We store ours open but I’m no expert on this!

  • @Glock274Jimmy
    @Glock274Jimmy Před 3 lety

    Have you tried a dehumidifier?

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 3 lety

      No. Are you thinking of electric, or chemical? Running a noisy generator isn't our favorite way to camp, but I"m not familiar enough with the chemical varieties and whether they prevent actual dripping condensation. Running the RV forced air heater would have helped but then we need to run the generator eventually.

  • @lindasue8719
    @lindasue8719 Před 4 lety

    Sorry, the events of my day shouldn't have let me be crabby here. Apologies

  • @pizzafloof4253
    @pizzafloof4253 Před 5 lety

    Oh, man, those catalytic heaters put out heat and water vapor. Not good for campers.

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 5 lety

      CharlieMonster We’ve had plenty of condensation even without the propane heater, just from cooking and breathing all night.

    • @pizzafloof4253
      @pizzafloof4253 Před 5 lety

      @@averagealice8877 Yeah, I get a lot too with 4 people in a cab over camper. I want to get a cubic mini stove to burn firewood.

    • @susanpremo8068
      @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

      @@averagealice8877 I heard that ceramic heaters were supposed to help with that. No?

    • @averagealice8877
      @averagealice8877  Před 3 lety +1

      @@susanpremo8068 Yes but we're boondocking and a ceramic heater would require using a generator (we avoid it because of the noise and fumes)

    • @susanpremo8068
      @susanpremo8068 Před 3 lety

      @@averagealice8877 yes, the noise from generators can be awful, we camped at a state forest campground, and the next morning, after listening to one all night, I spoke to the folks that were using one. I told them its against the rules , and he seemed really perplexed, but refused not to use it. Oh well, what are you going to do?

  • @johnnybx3254
    @johnnybx3254 Před 4 lety

    Great tips! Watch Slimpotatohead