Unbelievable! Michelin CrossClimate 2 better than winter tires?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- First impression of Michelin CrossClimate 2 in the first snow since purchase. These have single handily eliminated the winter tire market and makes more financial sense when considering the cost of swapping tires every year. Couldn’t be more impressed. My only regret is not knowing about them prior to purchasing set of winter tires on my other vehicle...
Reporting from the Pacific Northwest. Ex-mechanic, Lived in Alaska for 10 years.
I purchased a full set of these tires (From Discount Tire as well) in the fall during our typical rainy season. The first thing I noticed was they are a bit noisier than our previous tires but not so much that it was a real concern. The next thing I noticed was that the water-pumping ability is second-to-none. Normally, when our 2021 Subaru Ascent hit deep water (1/2" to 2") with only one side of the vehicle, the vehicle would pull pretty hard to the side hitting the water, as result of rolling resistance from the water piling up in front of the tires on that side. Not with these tires--The pull is almost completely absent, being barely noticeable. The directional, diagonal deep grooves in the tires act as a constant pump, ejecting water from under the tires keeping the tire surface in full contact with the road. If you look out the side windows as you drive through deeper water, you can actually see the pattern of the pump grooves in the spray of the water being ejected to the sides of the vehicle. Very impressed.
As Winter kicked in, the vehicle was driven over a mountain pass through the Cascades just after a blizzard. On the hard pack left behind by the plow trucks, it felt like driving on dry pavement, during turns, acceleration and braking. In fresh, un-plowed snow, it was more obvious that you were in snow but was far superior to tires I used up in Alaska that were both siped AND had studs. Yes, that is what I said, they out-performed STUDDED tires. Honestly, I did not think that possible, but the proof is in the pudding.
I have long been a subscriber to the idea of buying products based on warranty, not cost, the reasoning being that if the manufacture stands behind the product and shows that by including a decent warranty, I am less likely to have to replace the product sooner, in the long run saving me money. This has worked well for me in almost every consumer-product category. That being said, a 60k mile warranty on not just winter tires, but multi-season tires is almost unheard of. With winter tires I have tried in the past, including in Alaska, the tire compound is too soft to survive summer conditions for long and thus the manufacturer usually gave warranties in the 30k-40k range, at best. Michelin puts their money where their mouth is by including a warranty usually only seen on standard, single season tires.
TOTALLY impressed with the entire package, but expect to pay more--They are NOT cheap tires. But, as I said, if they last longer than other tires, and don't require mounting/balancing of a second set of winter tires, you will actually SAVE money in the long run.
Way to go Michelin!
You should do video reviews! Very well stated and agree 100%. I don't think it's possible to hydroplane with these tires. They struggle on icy roads but they eat up snow like an Olympic skier. Small compromise for all year tire if you ask me. Especially given that I take it very slow on ice, where dedicated winter tire I tend to push and speed can be disastrous without notice on ice. Thanks for your comment!
I love Michelin tires but the new Nokian WR G5 looks promising. If reviews don't look good, I'll probably go with Michelin Alpin 5.
@@kobykat1what is the comfort ride of these tires in summer and winter? Are they good tires but hard stiff riding tires?
Michelin out did themselves with the Cross Climate 2, excellent tires!
Michelin make the best tyres. I always put pilot sports on my "fun" cars and cross climate on my commuters. For the sake of a few bucks it's a no brainer.
@@amg863 Helas not a few bucks where I live but still bought them. Due to Covid they arrive in three weeks.
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
@@kaliiklejaThe point is the Cross Climate 2 is a 3PSF.
Troy, Ohio here. I didn't want to comment on your review until I had a chance to do my own personal "research." I long since made the decision to install these on all of my vehicles. I am enough of a tire nerd that I replaced the factory tires on our 2021 Toyota Sienna 2wd with these after 5000 miles of torture that is the factory junk. My father in law's 2wd Ford Edge was in desperate need of a set of tires and this is what I installed as well.
So we had over the course of 12 hours rain, then ice, then snow. Ended up with over 5 inches on the ground, wind, drifting, and a layer of ice under it. I went out and about with my father in law's 2wd Ford Edge. Note that in the past I have had Michelin X-Ice3's. These were every bit the equal of those winter tires. Incredibly confident in the bad stuff. Furthermore, Costco seems to be throwing $150 off of a set of 4 Michelins at least 4 times a year.
So yes, this tire is quiet and capable enough to replace the Michelin Premiere series that was my "goto" tire for all seasons and yet eliminates the need for a dedicated winter tire. Outstanding review that you posted and I am here to say it's 100% true.
I've had these on my car for the last 2 years and won't fit anything else . They are AWESOME. Great grip in the snow , great water displacement in very wet conditions and great grip in summer weather . I've actually had cross climates on for the last 5 years but the first 3 years were cross climate 1s and the last 2 years cross climate 2s . Really can't overstate just how awesome they really are especially getting you out of tricky situations when it's snowed 👍👍 5 *****
I have a friend who have made it from Italy to Norway . He is so impressed by those tyres. Leaving a country at + 25celsius and then arriving home at -12celsius is something incredible. I am stubborn.
We have them on both our Outback and our Forester.
We get 5-6 feet of snow every winter and they’re awesome tires.
They’re also great in the slush, wet and dry roads.
We no longer have to have snow rated tires in the winter since changing to the Cross Climate 2 tires
I just want to say thank you. I live in Los Angeles but go up to Mammoth/Tahoe to ski almost every other week during the winter season, so definitely needed winter tires during that time. Was looking for a set of new tires to replace my factory M+S and was debating between dedicated winter tires (that I would have to switch out during the summer) or another set of M+S and have subpar winter performance and might even need chains. Well...your video was the first time i've heard of these CrossClimate2, did a lot more research on them and just made an appointment to get them next week. So thanks very much for introducing these awesome tires, now I can just keep one set for the whole year on my Pilot AWD!
Skied Kirkwood a couple times and these tires will handle anything you throw at them. Been great even throughout the summer.
Thanks,,for comments.. let us know how they work…. ADMITTEDLY, DEDICATED Winter studs expensive, some noisy, and extra messing around….But, Interestingly, I still using , & with studded NOKIAN HAKKAPALETAS on My Journey FRONT WH DRIVE, AND HANKOOK WINTER PIKE STUDDED on my GMC Canyon REAR wheel ( all four naturally), in Helena Valley, MT…no Black ice/ extended iceing this Winter of 2021 so far.. Actually thouhg of not switching my Truck’s tires (Goodyear Wrangler M/ S, very usable tires, in much winter )AND not driving it much..
@@opera93 Your comment was impossible to read.
Purchased a set at BJs, punched the Side side wall , not a replacement to be found in any Ny
@@kobykat1 the CC2's don't handle deep fresh Sierra cement too well, or even San Bernadino mountain fresh snow too well. It's too easy to lose traction, as it spins and creates a nice packed snow patch underneath to grab a hold of... even when the tires are new. And it gets worse when the siping patterns change after 10,000 miles. The shoulder block sipes are not full depth all the way across the shoulder block, just about the outer 75% of the shoulder block is full depth sipes. The inner step pattern sipes wear out to become straight line sipes. So they end up looking like the original CrossClimates, after around 10,000 miles.
The cross climate 2s are seriously great! I've had mine for almost a year now. Had no issues on northern Michigan roads with my car what so ever.
Hi! I was wondering about how much kilometers you can travel with new CC2 tyres before replacement? tx
@@dilysi156 I believe they are rated at 60000 miles so about 100000 kilometers
@@MasterCrafter7777777 my god that seems to be a lot 🤤
do you have FWD? I have a FWD in Ohio and my all seasons are terrible in rain and even light slushy snow
Do you have fwd,rwd,awd/4x4?
Lots of people love these tires. Different formulations for Europe vs. US/NA, but consensus seems to be they are the real deal and worth the money. Just got mine yesterday and notice improvements in every category, from tracking to road noise, to handling (yes, a tad of understeer which more reviewers document), to urban MPG. Can't wait to see how they wear.
Thanks for showing this. No more changing tires between seasons for me.
Here in Canada most of us use dedicated winter tires. 3 peak tires like these good in light snow but not good on ice or cold conditions.
Bought these in January of this year right before we had our first major (ove 11 inches) snow storm. They were fantastic. I'm really glad I bought these tires.
3:22 2/32nds is the discard tread level in the US. What your talking about is the tread features like sipes going down to 2/32nds, it just means the cuts are deeper so when your tread wears down you'll retain the handing characteristics longer. Other tires the tread features may stop at a higher depth and you'll lose performance sooner.
Thank you for the review. I drove my wife's 2021 F-Pace about 50 miles on snow and ice covered highways in Minnesota this morning with the factory "all season" tires and didn't feel safe at all. I had a set of these put on 3 hours ago and WOW! The Jag now handles medium snow and ice as well as my 2020 Defender on Wrangler Adventures. Granted it won't go through 18" like the Defender will, but I just want my wife to be safe on the highway. Great tire recommendation. Thank you so much!!!
I've had the original CrossClimates on all my cars since around 2017. We live in SW France so conditions vary from 40+degC at the height of summer to well below freezing and lots of snow and ice in the Pyrenees. Before that, I had ContiWinterContacts for December to March because I was fed up with snow chains, particularly when one snapped half way up the mountain road at 2am at -10. Jacking up a car to remove a wheel in those conditions is not ideal.
The CrossClimates are almost as good in the snow - packed and soft - as the Contis. They are superb. And I gather that these new versions are even better.
As you said in your film, you don't know what they're like on 2WD vehicles. Well, all mine are FWD and they're excellent. Drove across the Massif Central last weekend on snow covered roads and they were great. Much much better than any 4WD drive on summer tyres.
No one drives a 4WD vehicle with summer tires on. The tires you're going to find on those vehicles will be all-season, all-weather, all-terrain, or mud-terrain.
What is your opinion on the thread wear during the hot summer in SW France? I live in a region where the summers are approx 30-35 deg C, with generally soft winters, but occasionally we get one week of snow plus We go in a ski vacation every winter. I am not concerned about the snow performance as I'm driving awd car. What concerns me is how long these tires will last if driven in hot summer conditions like where you live.
My research was Tire Rack tests and an on-line tire size calculator
These tires perform as well as some dedicated winter snow tires in the test, except a bit longer stopping on ice
But perform almost as well as dedicated High Performance winter tires on ice
They are the number one Grand Touring tire in all tests
They stop almost as short in wet and dry and pull almost as many G-forces as tires in the Ultra High Performance group
I really wanted these for my 2019 Audi A8, as a one tire solution, as I drive it like it's a German Lincoln town car, more focused on quiet smooth Luxury ride, then trying to turn it into a Porsche 911
Unfortunately they only come in two 20 inch sizes 245/45r20 and 245/40r20 and my car takes 265/40 r20
I could not find a used A8 with 19”wheels, as the 20” wheel is only a $1,200.00 option that everybody chose, apparently
I checked the sizes and the 245/45r20 will work as it is almost the same height as the 275/35r21 that is an option on the car
28.58” for the 275/35r21 vs 28.68” for the 245/45r20, this also gives me almost as much sidewall as the 19” 4.34 inches for the 245/45r20 vs 4.52 inches for 255/45r19 that was standard on the car for a better ride, and the tread width is the exact same 8.6 inches as the standard 255/45r19 that the car also came with
I am extremely happy as I can have fun in the winter when the days are warm and roads are clear without destroying the tires
And drive on snow and ice with no worries and have awesome wet and dry braking when the days are warm and roads are clear
This is as close to a one tire solution as it gets, also a long 640 tread wear, and on par pricing with the rest of the high end Grand Touring tires
Not to mention saving the cost of 4 winter tires, mount, balance, TPMS and 4 OEM Audi A8 rims and changing twice a year
This is what I got for my 4cyl, 375hp GLA45AMG, and I'm super satisfied with its performance. No road noise and excellent traction. Cornering is lacking a little in dry conditions, but I'm willing to give up some cornering Gs as a trade off to not change tires every winter and spring. Besides, for cornering satisfaction, I got my M4Cx :)
Have you been able to get past the new styling on the M4Cx? I know they drive well but I'd have to take it for drives at night or in less busy areas as I would be too self-conscious.
Thanks for your post!!
I have them on my Crosstrek over a year now they are really good on snow and rain, no more hydroplane but on gravel road lots of small rock stuck in it I can fill it rattling on the road.
I live in Alberta, and the thought of not having to change tires for winter and summer is amazing! I can't wait to get myself a set.
Sorry to hear that
@@ballathug8404 why??
@@richardsalmon5918 I think it's meant to be a joke because he said he lived in Alberta
How is it working for you 😮, I'm from QC
There is Nothing like real Winter Tires. Nothing will beat the Nokian and Bridgestone in any winter conditions. I love up in the North with 6 months of snow per year.
I had these on my front wheel drive work vehicle . Just amazing. I live in Minnesota and on snow and ice you need to try to get the traction control light to flash. Stopped on hills and no problem. Smooth riding over bumps and extremely quiet. Can’t wait for the tires on my own car to wear out so I can get these on.
I might get these soon!! I live in minnesota as well!
Were getting a set of these for our 2009 FWD RAV4. I'm retired and usually don't need to go anywhere when the weather is bad but still good to have in case you get unexpectedly caught in a winter storm, especially since our RAV4 is not AWD.
I just tested these with Michelin for my store and drove rav 4 with the cross climate 2 amazing tested against Goodyear and driving both cars such a difference I put them on my 9wn car
You actually have a RAV2 Florida special.
Fitted a brand new pair of CrossClimate 2s on my car yesterday, coming from Bridgestone A005 Evo, can’t wait to get them on to snow to test them out!
Thanks for your video. First of all, I live in Quebec, Canada which by itself is a really extreme test for any Tire, so I've just decided to go with a set of these. Winter is coming, we got lots of snows and Ice and crazy extreme cold weather (Temps go easily below 30F) as well. I hope they will handle well on these extreme conditions as it does for you down in US. Thanks again.
how are they holding up in the snow? im not too south of you and looking for tires for my brother.
Yes how have they performed in Quebec?
I'm from QC, Same question 😮😮
@@rickylafleur5823 it's been my second winter or third and I have only good things to talk about the tire, however I have heard Michelin has discontinued this type of tires. Overall I really like the way it handles snow and water. I do drive more carefully on ice, but that's expected since it is not the best option for this type of condition
I live in the UK and I just bought a set of these tires. Here its generally 3 - 8 degrees C and rainy most of the time during winter with the odd time where its dry and icy cold and the odd time when it snows. I felt that this was an ideal tire for these kinds of conditions :) we got our first snow this weekend and I decided to bite the bullet and get some. My summer tires are absolutely dreadful in the snow and ice and I had 2 close calls last year because of them.
I'm in the UK too and dropped onto this video. They look great.
Same, based in Scotland and just bought 4 of these to fit
Uk too I’m struggling for my size looking like January delivery 255/35/19
Thanks, me too close Calls icings….. see my comments.. Nokian ,& HANKOOK Studded winter tires, HELENA Valley MT
UK too. ! 😀 Bought these today!
THANK YOU! Was totally on the fence on what to buy - you've convinced me!
Michelin cuts the sipes all the way down. Others cut the sipes only halfway down so they don't keep the same performance when used
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
Just experienced my first snow storm in these and they did well here in Colorado. In my fwd 08 Camry. They handled well before the snow as well, not too bad road noise, also this is my first premium tires I own and looks like I'll stick with Michelin
do they handle well in braking for turns? Not a slippery feeling from the car?
I have a 2016 MX-5 Club that I drive in Northern Illinois. I have a dedicated set of winter tires for those cold months. I switch out the tires & rotate them myself because it also gives a chance to inspect the brakes / brake lines / plastic inner liners. I clean off those parts each seasonal change so while I like the idea of never changing tires for seasons the personal inspection of the brakes & the other parts would never happen. My winter tires are Michelin X-Ice 3 BTW. The Miata is really good in the snow with this setup under 6". Over 6" & I'll wait for the plows.
@@ikilledthemoon As long as the temperature stays below 70 degrees the tires work well in the rain too. The thing to remember is stopping distances increase as the temperature goes up. At 45 degrees or below they work well in any condition. My car is stock height. Being light is an advantage & it would be extremely hard to get stuck in 6 inches or less of snow. I have not had a " STUCK " incident yet. Are they worth it ? Definitely YES. Cross climate tires are an interesting alternative though.
I drove my 97 Miata with Blizzaks all over Chicago for over 8 years
Ahd both a '99 and '08 Miata...both had dedicated winter tires and were great as long as the snow depth was below bumper height ;-). Then the Miata becomes a snow plow..and is not very good at that being so lightweight! Certainly FUN to drive in the winter..and remember, heater and seat heaters DO WORK when the top is down too!
494 and snow, must be a fellow MNer
I learned of these tires from Engineering Explained and I bought a set for my wifes forester and my fusion
cant wait to get them installed
Better than dedicated winter tires ?I doubt it but everyone’s entitled to their own opinion
The snow looks pretty fresh and sounds very dry (at about 2:30 into the video) when you're walking about.
I'd like to hear how they perform on some compact snow, ice, and in slush.
Many tires work well in dry snow as they'll trap the dry snow within the tread, and like a snowball adhere to the snow on the ground.
Thanks for your initial impressions.
Most tires, including winters, will always have degraded performance in slush. I found this out with my Blizzaks. Not fun!
The directional design tread and big gap working really good on slush. It flash slush and water out really quick.
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No video of mine in more adverse snow condition, but the tread design seems to clear very well. I am in zone 6 and we don't get a lot of deep snow, but it goes to slush fairly quickly, and ice is more of a concern. No issue, and I switched from Blizzak which were fine on new snow, but horrible on slush or after a few miles on fresh. Coming up on 55k miles with the Crossclimate2 (CC2) and performance seems to be almost as good as the day they were installed.
They are great in wet conditions as well. I have a set on a 2012 Beetle that hydroplanes easily using all season tires, but it is far less common with the CC2.
MPG doesn't appear to have taken a hit either with these tires. Beetle is getting the same and the LaCrosse actually went up a couple miles.
L R good to know!
Thanks for the information.
My cross climates just demolished the recent storm we had in SE MN,I was out the entire time driving for Uber and doordash, I can count the amount of times ABS kicked in on one hand. Truly remarkable. I had to stop myself from driving too fast cause these tires will give you confidence and you may get into some trouble 😂😂
Nice, I got some vredstein 2 years ago. They blew my mind. I always had winter tires before. I drove those up in Breck without issues. Looks like the new rubber compounds are making it across all brands.
I just replaced my old Vredsteins with some new CrossClimate2 for my Chrysler AWD 300S. Looking forward to testing them out!
@@majerstud lemme know they are awesome on mine.
@@ReefFoundation Been over three weeks and not a drop falls out of the sky! C'mon, man!
@@majerstud I've be interested too, assuming you've swapped from the Quatrac 5? I've used these for years (on my 4th set) and they've been good, so if the Michelins are a better all-rounder then I'm sold!
@@matfenwick They did replace my old Quatracs, but I don't remember how they were, specifically. We had our first significant snow fall the other day, and I took my car out just to test the tires. It was about 3-4 inches of wet snow with a nasty layer of ice on top, over a mix of back roads and divided highway. The car accelerated and braked very well, no sliding or slipping, and took the turns and curves very well, too. I even plowed thru the ice wall the County had left at the bottom of my driveway, with no problems. So far, so good! And- they look cool!
I had a set. Loved them, but no good on ice. Still need Blizzaks for that. It's a great 3-season tire that you don't have to worry about switching to winter tires at the first sign of snow. You can wait until winter really hits.
Unless your tires have snow chains, there is no tire that performs well on ice/black ice. There's absolutely no traction in that situation.
They are made for areas that have actual summers but some snow. Like where I live. We use all seasons here but most aren't great for the occasional snow. I think many here run summers year round too. We (most) slide all over the roads when it snows so generally everyone locks down. Lol
I'm considering getting these but some years here we don't even get snow so unless the rain handling is outstanding then it won't be worth it for me. Still researching. 🤓
@@12MRJERSEY Nordic studless (rather than continental) winter tyres actually perform fairly decently on ice, although still much worse than studded. Only a few brands, such as Nokkian make them though, and you'd never want to take them on any sort of warm dry road...
The CrossClimate 2 tires are actually marked as Triple Snow Peaked (Snow Tires). Given the other reviewers who measured stopping distance, grip, etc it could be argued that they are in fact 4 season tires.
@@telsat Easy tough guy. Isn't it true that whatever tire you said and these tires could both perform great in the snow? Feeling the weight of your gut in the seatbelt is probably an indication excess visceral body fat more than a snow tire.
Michelin X-Ice tires (Xi3 and the new Snow) definitely have better traction, especially on ice, but the CrossClimates are adequate if you drive slower.
well they are winter tyres , the cross climate are All Season
I should have put those on minivan. Instead I got the hakapollita (spell) for about the same price as x ice. So far not real impressed but could be because its a minivan, which is perhaps the worst thing to drive in winter. My house has a steep driveway and the minivan spins if I stop midway, have to then back down. Whereas the CC2 claws right up, never spins. Of course the comparison is apples to oranges with AWD vs front wheel on minivan...but prior to cc2 on the awd, the previous all season also slipped and had to back down. Agree X ice probably better but on the highlander I personally dont see the need. Plus, I have another vehicle that winters in the garage so space to store yet another set is limited (already three in there).
@@theeroom
Actually they are part of a relatively new category called “all weather”
@@kobykat1 Hakkapeliittas are the best winter tires you can buy. Good choice. I think you’re being let down by the fwd mini van.
I got the xi3 great tire run them all year long cause we have mud once the snow melts.
Definitely sounds great, as advertised, they are definitely an all-weather tire. I’ve only done a bit of research on this but the Pilot AS4 has done really well too, even in the snow. The 2 competitors I like are Hankook Kinergy and Continental AllSeasonContact, Michelin is great for longevity too, they’re the only one offering a mileage warranty on a winter tire (X-Ice Snow).
If you are only getting a few inches of snow and it is gone in a day or 2 all-weather tires are fine. I just read that in Finland 80% of people have studded tires. They get a lot of snow and they are so close to the North Pole that they only get 4-5 hours of sunlight in the winter (in the south near Helsinki) and they get no sunlight at all in the north for about 6 weeks of the winter.
So you can imagine, the weather is more extreme there. Winter tires are likely mandatory there. If you have a SUV though in most places you just need AS tires. Cars definitely need winter tires in extreme weather conditions. Michelin, Continental and Pirelli tend to be really expensive, but brands like Hankook, Toyo, Kumho and Yokohama also very good and come at a better price point.
Yeah we need a different compound here. Much safer to use a proper nordic winter tyre
Yes the winter tires are mandatory in all countries north of Poland
Thanks, I’m checking. My “HANKOOK Winter PIKE STUDDED “ BEEN UNUSUALLY “good/ positive driving”, in now my fifth season using A SET of FOUR **( 2007 GMC CANYON Rear Wheel drive.), though kind of low mileages . Interestingly, went NOKIAN HAKKAPALETAS STuds ON MY Wife’s **Journey FRT WHEEL drive, THEY seem to be some noisier, MAYBE not quite as confident inspiring as my Truck on “all icing Conditions”. Full disclosure,, Wife likes Nokian better , thouhg She does NOT drive CANYON much,……ps HELENA VALLEY MT.
Michelin tires have been the best for years. For the longest they were the only tire true to size. You get what your pay for.
The Dunlop tires that came on my RAV4 were small. The Michelins I have on now are true to size and the speedometer is accurate. The only downside is more downshifting.
I had ecopias, almost took my life in winter and rainy conditions.
Just bought crossclimate 2s cant wait to see what these puppies can do.
I just purchased the CrossClimate 2’s for my 2016 Honda Civic and am very pleased with them. Prior to this I swapped out my summer tires in the Fall for my Michelin X-Ice winter tires then back to summer tires again in the Spring. I still plan to use the dedicated winter tires next winter. Also, my Discount Tire dealership in Elgin IL (And I agree they are very good to work with) swaps my tires for FREE in the Spring and Fall. I have all eight tires on their own dedicated wheels.
Why did you get these if you are still doing winter tires?
@@postskeetclarity Hello Rob. I use the CC2’s in the Spring through Fall seasons because I wanted an “All around” Michelin tire that provided EXCELLENT traction and braking in the wet weather, a relatively quiet ride, and decent fuel economy. I have seen my fuel mileage drop about 6% from the CC2’s as compared to the OEM Bridgestone tires my car came with, but the better traction with the very unique tread pattern is definitely worth it.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 just get a dedicated summer which is still better than CC2 in the dry performance and dedicated winter for winter performance. CC2 is expensive because it is supposed to act as both summer and winter tire. Doesn't make sense to buy an expensive cc2 and then a winter tire.
@@random4k336 It makes sense for me because my Michelin X-Ice tires are now going on their sixth and probably last winter season. I bought the CrossClimate 2’s knowing this in advance and may just not use dedicated snow tires in the future. The CrossClimate 2’s gave me EXCELLENT Spring, Summer, and Fall performance. In fact, better summer performance than some tires I have had in the past, especially the OEM’s that came with the car in 2016. But that is to be expected. Ride safe.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 we kind of figured: A) u have money to experiment with, in which case you you virtually replaced all seasons with this CC2 ALL WEATHER (which is brilliant BTW especially if u live in the snow belt) OR B) You did the most sensible thing by using out your dedicated Winters while u dabbled with ALL WEATHER.
I’m definitely gonna give them a try despite my common sense that’s dragging me back to convention.
They are brilliant tyres had a few sets on Mazda CX-5 and now kodiaq, top notch, last forever brilliant in the snow
Coming from a bald tire to a brand new 1 is a heck of a change!
We have the CrossClimate+ on our 328hp Infiniti Q50, they are truly amazing. People might be turned off by the premium price, but they are well worth it. We had them on our G37 but the car was sold after just one year with the tires. The amazing thing is that the handling wasn’t sacrificed at all with these, very little road noise for such an aggressive tread as well. Michelin struck gold with these.
Michelin improved the rubber compound for the Crossclimate 2. Tire looks the same but better winter traction and lower rolling resistance.
Why did we need to know horse power? 🤦🏻♂️ 😂
I don’t even think these are considered premium price in the grand scheme. I just picked up a set of CrossClimate 2 for my MDX and spent less than a grand. I normally buy high end tires and they were less than several other competitors’ offerings. Can’t wait to try them driving up to ski in the Rockies this weekend.
EXCELLENT CHOICE 👍
Just bought a set for my daughters Subaru Impreza all wheel drive. Its been raining hard here in California and worried about her driving on worn summer tires.
Out the door with a road hazard policy they cost around $1300.00 at our local Big O tire shop. Great service by the way 👍👍👍👍
Small price to pay for her safety and my peace of mind ✌
I have a 2019 Highlander Hybrid and I had a set of these put on 1,000- miles ago. My one reservation had been what I'd read about fuel economy. To date, I'm getting incrementally better MPG than with my OEM Bridgestone Dueler Ecopia tires. The Michelin Defender is rated at 80K rather than the 60K for the CrossClimate 2 but the winter handling should more than make up for that in peace of mind.
only thing that stops 2 wheel drive on these is snow blocking radiator and getting undeneath engine above undertray due to ride height..... good on ice,y compacted frozen snow, eliminates aquaplaning, and dry weather with stiffer more precise feel all adds up to double the price and i d still buy them
Best all weather tire hands down! I talked my father into a set of these for when his OEM Pirelli all season tires are worn.
Here in Southern Oregon I was 'on the fence' after talking to discount tire, seeing a bunch of reviews.. after watching your video I'M SOLD.
Thanks DudE..!❄️🌲🏔️ 😎 🤙
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
Use these only at winter, at summer use summer tires.
Or if the law allow, use studded tires Michelin X-Ice North 4.
I've ordered them from discount tires and will have them installed this Friday.
How do you like them so far
Highway 62 and Baker Road. Bro was driving through my hood. About to buy these so I can leave EP at 5AM to get to Lutsen on heavy snow days and ski the pow pow.
We liked the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires on our Forester so much that we put a set on my wife’s Outback as well.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter and these tires are Awesome on dry, wet, slushy, snowy, logging and forest roads.
When they wear out, we’ll replace them with another set.
I just ordered a set of V-rated Michelin CC 2 tires for my 2021 Hyundai Sonata Limited 1.6 T from Tire Rack. Just waiting for them to get to my shop for mounting and 4-wheel alignment. I'm pumped.
I tried these on my Jeep and they seemed pretty good in snow, but to be honest the Falken Wildpeak A/T tires that I had on my Jeep prior were even better in snow. Next time I need tires, Im going back to the Falken Wildpeak A/T.
AT Trail or the AT3W?
@@OneLeggedStormChaser Trails. I forgot to include that.
@@Japplesnap what specific Jeep? A lighter vehicle similar to my Crosstrek? Cuz if those were truly better than Michelin CC2 (which did fantastic for me when new, just good now)… I’ll give them a try in the future perhaps bc I could go offroad without worrying about damaging the tread 🤷♂️. Do the sipes & compound go full depth on them? Did traction lessen notably 20k miles in?
@@OneLeggedStormChaser I got them for my Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. It's about 5,000 lbs, so not exactly a lightweight. I don't have 20,000 miles on it yet, but the treadwear looks minimal.
Just bought these for
My Highlander as well. Glad to hear you love them!!
I live in the Mountain West so I’m looking forward to the snow!!
Good enthusiastic review!!👍👍
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
I haven't been able to use mine in the snow yet but very impressed with wet and dry handling.
These are great tires for rain and many conditions , however at my location in the Alberta Canada Rocky Mountains and at the temperature we get up here I have bought dedicated winter tires. Went up to an elevation of nearly 7,000 ft on a mountain highway and was forced to turn around . Better safe than sorry, At a certain temp below zero with ice they just won’t hold up like true winters .
SO these were no go for Banff and Jasper? I was hoping to get by with CrossClimate2...
Let me know before I make the commute out there, thanks!
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
Or if the law allows to use studded tires try Michelin X-Ice North 4.
Good that I found this video. I did have Continental all season contact on a Toyota auris touring sport hybrid which no was the the station wagon version of the Corolla in Europe. They did quite well in summer and winter driving. But now I got a 2021 Rav4 Black Edition 4x4 hybrid and was looking for something with a bit more grip off-road so I got these Michelin cross climate. Haven’t been in the snow yet but noticed on a really muddy extremely slippery track they’re absolutely marvelous, the profile pics up an enormous amount of mud and with a bit of wheelspin also gets rid of it again so traction is very good and I hope this will be on snow about the same and usually all seasons are very good in icy conditions too. It actually picks up so much mud that a couple of hundred yards on a tarmac Road I have bits and chunks flying off the tires bouncing up about as highe a the Rav4 so following traffic keeps of my back😃
I did a lot of research before I bought new Michelin Cross Climate tires for my 2010 Super Cab 4 x 4 Ford F-150 Heavy Duty pickup last fall before the snow hit. I am very satisfied with them. I only have 43k miles on this truck and the original weather checked tires needed to be changed out. The LT 245/75 17E truck tread is different than the car tire tread.
Thanks for the review. I also have Crossclimate plus tires on my car for 2 years now and they work great in all weather conditions. I will definitely switch to crossclimate 2 next time I need to change my tires.
Yes I agree I've been doing a lot of research/homework on these particular tires. The company states it was a long thought out project. We have a automotive/tire store on base hopefully the people can special order me a set the prices are the best always it's a military base keep prices low for military families.
Thanx. Wife just got a 2021 Crosstrek Limited.. Getting rid of the garbage Falkins that came on it and getting these. Discount has a nice Black Friday deal especially if you their card. Michelin or Bridgestone, nothing else.
Absolute garbage Falkin tires on my 2021 Forester Touring. Had 1420 miles on them and swapped for CrossClimate 2 tires. Shall see. My 2014 Forester Touring I ran with Blizzak WS 80's. They are a phenomenal tire. Am retired now so I don't have to go out in total crappy weather. Will see how the CC2 tires perform.
The real test is ice. AT tyres and others can handle pretty well the snowy roads, but when meeting ice, they are shit. I still recommend to have 2 sets of tyres.
Absolutely.
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
Use these only at winter, at summer use summer tires.
Or if the law allow, use studded tires Michelin X-Ice North 4.
Michelin CrossClimate 2 is indeed a better tire by Michelin. But a dedicated winter tire like the X-Ice tire is still going be better.
well no shit sherlock
💯% Agreed
Yup!
You might wanna see more reviews. Tech it's changing
@@smokingbeetles5793 Technology is always changing. That's a no-brainer. Take the Wildpeak, KO2, CrossClimate 2, WR G4, and any other winter-rated tire and compare them to a winter tire like the X-Ice Snow, Hakkapeliitta R5, Viking Contact 7, and so on. In the end a winter tire is still going to be better in terms of handing, traction and braking. I think you're also missing the point of all-weather tires. These tires are designed for people who don't want or can't afford a second set of tires.
I swear by CrossClimate tyres! This year will try the CrossClimate 2.. They are quality!
I just bought these and put them on my Bolt EV. Impressive tires.
need to a video of a bolt in the snow, hope it has not caught fire.
Just bought these tires two months ago back in August. Looking forward to testing these in the winter on my 2013 Highlander Limited full time 4wd similar to yours
These all-weather tires give about 85% of the snow traction and ice traction that you would get from 'Michelin X-ice Snow' winter tires. On the other hand, Michelin 'Defender' all-season tires only give you around 50% of the snow and ice traction that you would get from 'Michelin X-ice Snow' winter tires. So if you are like me, and you are fed up of having to keep a second set of tires (mounted on separate rims) in your garage, then get the CrossClimate 2 tires and you get traction that is pretty good, almost as good as a dedicated winter tire.
I just got these tires...lve in the northeast. They are a little louder than the tires i replaced, kind of a low hum that you hear when coming to a stop. I will also say that on my previous michelin primacy tour A/S tires Costco sold me the wrong speed rating (V instead of H) which are stiffer and wrecked the snow handling. So going from those to CrossClimate 2 H rated tires made my car normal again and improved my snow handling by 50%
How is comfort and noise between primacy and cc2? On highway besides the noise braking
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
@@incomefreedom cc2 is definately more noise but the trade off is worth it for me. It's like a different car. I can go through deep snow now where b4 even an inch was terrifying
62 down Eden Prairie, hilarious. Near the area I used to live in. Just got these tires myself today. First time i'll have some proper tires in the Winter.
Put a set on my 2017 Highlander. Zero loss in gas mileage compared to the OEM tires and very good in all weather
i know your title is kind of an exaggeration, but based on tyre reviews, they are actually better than some budget winter tyres in every aspect.
they are definitely not as good as a premium snow tyre, but they are so versatile, that they can replace a winter tyre in places with lighter winter conditions.
I got a set of CrossClimate 2's for a Ford Focus and they are fantastic on snow.
Glad to hear! Just commented. Getting these for 2012 Ford Focus SEL HB. Car was sounding like Thumper the Rabbit :o)
just what I was lookin for. New Sub!
Thank you for making this video and sharing! I shared this video with my son. One set of tires -vs- two, seems like an obvious choice.
Thanks for the review. I just ordered a set for wifes Palisade. We had the Toyo Celcius II, which were great. But I like trying new things. I had a 10 Highlander and it was terrible in the snow, just my opinion...and oh god that traction control warning lol EJECT EJECT EJECT, like dude settle down I just got a bit of slippage lol. Best vehicle I've ever had in snow has been Mitsubishi Outlander, but too small for my family.
Yess sirr😃 i purchased 4 of these tires Oct 7th 2021, after looking in consumer report book, listed as number 1 in all season tires, 😃, also looking at michelin upload video showing the performace on road, Thank you for your video as well😃. Im in Ohio we get our share of snow. So far on dry ground i like that these tires are quiet, we haven't received rain yet, but viewing video's they did well on wet ground☺.
Put a set on my wife's FWD Pacifica. Absolutely fantastic!
Replacing OEMs with these MCC2s on wife’s 2012 Ford Focus next week. Waiting to be dazzled!
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
Use these only at winter, at summer use summer tires.
Love my CrossClimate+ tires on my 2018 Tesla Model 3, looking forward to getting CrossClimate 2 when replacement is needed around 35,000 miles!
I have them on my 2012. Awd Lexus and this winter have been super
I've just bought a car with 2 sets of tires, summer tires can't go another season but winter tires are done after this winter, so I'm gonna buy mcc2, amazing how everyone is hyping them up...
Have a set that are going on my son's car soon. 1 winter on them and they were great. Quiet, smoother than the Continrntal All season that yhe car came with and better in deeper snow than the old X Ice that I had on my vehicle (Highlander.) and those were really good winters.
I just purchased these for Jeep Cherokee AWD. I live in Vermont and because of climate changes our winters are not as snowy as past years . So these seem to me to be a good compromise for all season . I wake up early on power days and drive on snow roads to the ski . I will report back here once that happens to tell about my experience
Just got some for my accord. Hoping it can give some improvement over sporty all season tires I had. Plows do a pretty great job anyway here in MN but I cant wait to test them out!
I just ordered a set today and get to have them put on this coming week on my AWD Volvo XC70!
I just put a set on my Camry. I can’t wait to see how well they do this winter.
No not better than Winter Tires, but way better than an all season
you MN man! I know those roads... I just bought a full set of those crossclimate 2s... i hope i enjoy them
Be careful. All wheel drive gets you going, but it actually makes it harder to stop because it makes the vehicle heavier. I'm from Northern Ontario and most of the vehicles I see in the ditch are 4 wheel drive. It makes drivers feel invincible. As well, there is no substitute for high quality winter tires. I'm going to buy the Cross Climate tires for my vehicle, but they are a compromise tire that works in summer and winter.
@@andreim5973 I couldn't agree more. However, I'm retired and simply don't drive in bad weather anymore.
Same here. I grew up driving in NO winters, but I am retired now and live in Southern Ontario.
@@petersmyth7406 I live in GTA and just bought a set of CC2. Do you think I can use CC2 all year round? Thinking about selling my dedicated snow tires
@@bob36536 Yes, they were designed to be used all year round, especially in the GTA in lighter Southern Ontario snow conditions. However, they are not as good as dedicated winter tires in deeper snow.
@@sunnydeng9263 It pretty much boils down to brain power when driving in any conditions. Drive too fast on any surface and conditions, stopping is a tad harder. Obviously if its raining or snowing, a bit more caution tends to help. Ice, well unless you have steel caterpillar tracks with cleats then good luck. I don't care what your driving. Rubber and ice is like two opposing magnets.
I put these on my highlander. Right before the ice storms .... absolutely incredible. Excellent braking. I was passing cars and semis in the ditch.
They probably froze to death but I was just fine.
These are exactly like little tractor treads. They will not hydroplane. They also are not affected by grooves in the freeway - the vehicle goes exactly where you point them. They also track extremely well so no corrections are needed.
I replaced the highlander with a 4Runner to go off road. I really miss those tires. Running ko2s now but come winter, I will get the right size wheels (they don’t make 17” I think) just so I can run these in the winter.
I just ordered a set of 235/55x18s for our 2009 RAV4.
I have 5000 miles on these Cross Climates now and have mixed feelings about them. I live in NW Montana where conditions change quickly. I drive for Uber so I'm in town or out on the backroads. These tires are great in the wet and fresh snow but in icy conditions they are scary. Ice under snow or packed ice, these tires break away too soon and there is no predictably at all. I drive a FWD Kia with four Cross Climates. I have driven Bridgestone Blizzaks before and are going back to them. These Cross Climates are a good all season tire, but for serious winter conditions they suck, can't wait to get them off.
Are the Bridgestone Blizzaks all season are they ok for the hot summer roads?
i reccomend use Michelin X-ice Snow, these are real 100% winter tires for norh winters and one of the top winter tires.
Generally all weather tires are great all year around. But I bet around 70% they are going to be no better than an all season, vs blizzaks and xice are almost fully effective until the bitter end. I'd love to try these tires, they are likely way better than the other brands of all weather's. The other thing to consider is you don't want to chew up your nice alloys with the winter salt depending where you live.
Most wear for cross climate will happen during summer, esepcially if you live in a hotter climate.
Being up in Canada and driving in the Laurentions with deep snow, many hills and black ice I will stick to my Michelin X Ice tires. I might use those cross climates if I was always driving in the city and outskirts.
I just ordered the cross climate 2s for my wife's crv. We live near Boston. But def in ur situation I would have the pure snow tires. I use Bridgestone blizzaks for my corolla in winter and they're sick. No one around here understands the difference that it's not just about all wheel drive but how quick u can stop
That's bang on....will run cross climate 2 soon, switching from all seasons......perfect for the Toronto area where they plow salt real quick.....we don't drive outside the GTA into country roads much in the winter
Because they have the 3 peaks rating like winter tires, I wonder if insurance companies will regard them as winter tires and still give you the discount.
I have a set on my rav 4 and I have to say they are great in the snow and rain definitely more grip than I have bravery. I do get about 1-2 mpg less but if it keeps me from paying a insurance deductible or body shop that reduce resale value than it’s worth it. Not to mention you get road side assistance with Michelin that’s at least as good as AAA mid grade option so that’s like a $100 value as well.
What year is your RAV4? I have a 2011 RAV4 and I’m probably gonna go with the Cross Climate 2’s when the time comes for new tires. I have to deal with driving in the snow so I kinda want an all season/all weather tire that will perform well. In my opinion if you have 4WD/AWD snow tires aren’t really worth it unless you have another set of wheels you can throw them on and just run them in the winter.
We got this on our Subaru Ascent and Outback. We will not go back to other all-season tires and probably won't need winter tires ever again unless it's black ice. Probably all tires are useless in black ice except studded ones.
Very nice tires, just be careful with ice. Big difference in snow and ice traction.
Need a dedicated winter tire for ice traction.
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.
I totally agree we drove in Jackson hole and they performed awesome!
IMHO, on snow at low velocity, Crossclimate tires could have similar behavior as winter tires. On icy roads the difference is more than big.
No problem if your driving technique know how to manage this difference. Of course, forget very inclined icy ramps with Crossclimate unless you have 4WD
Everybody always wants to believe the easy way out but the fact is the key to winter tires traction is the fact that they use a softer rubber compound. When it gets cold all season tires rubber gets firm and lose traction Winter tires do not. Of course that softer rubber that works so well in the winter wears very quickly in the summer and must come off. I can get snow tires taken off the rims and summer tires put on for about $50 at the national tire shop I bought them at.
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I swear by Michelin tires. I had an FZ07 motorcycle and I had the pilot road 3's and they were phenomenal I live in Washington state where we see rain pretty much from October until May and from November-January it can get icy, I never once slipped or felt unsafe riding in the rain or under 40 degrees F!!! on top of that they lasted until I sold the bike which was at 13000 miles and I believe they would've lasted until 20k miles, for a performance motorcycle tire I couldn't believe it.
Try Michelin X-Ice Snow, these are real north winter tires and gives real good grip.