Ahmaud Arbery Case Update | What Role did Racism Play in the Murder?
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- This video answers the question: Can I provide an updated analysis in the case of Ahmaud Arbery?
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“How close these men were to getting away with murder is a freight ring commentary on the justice system.” Perfectly said.
It's unequivocally not a murder; people like you and the fake doctor don't know that because you are too slow on the uptake to read the legal definition of murder
Keep those video cameras rolling!
@@YoungNino2017 the jury, judge, and most of reasonably minded persons know it was a concerted assassination.
@@YoungNino2017 From Wikipedia: "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought."
You can make the argument that the defendants didn't act out of malice. I'm sure you would. But since I believe that they're racists, I'll disagree with that argument.
@@pbase36 You would never make it as a lawyer; A) If you were to actually entertain them being racists, that would have nothing to do with anything... it doesn't become a murder if they can be proven to be racists. B) It is categorically, unequivocally not murder under law due to being SELF-DEFENSE, there is ZERO ambiguity there under law. They follow someone who broke into a house to question him, possibly put him under citizen's arrest (Also 100% within their rights), the criminal starts punching one of them in the face, the man who has been punched six times or so and is getting his gun grabbed and nearly pulled out of his hand to possibly be used against him by the violent criminal fires.... you have to be fully brain dead to not understand that that is beyond a shadow of a doubt SELF-DEFENSE.
Such a sad case. The entitlement of these men is disgusting. Thank you for your accurate assessment, Dr. Grande.
I know right, just let people steal in peace.
@@user-ue6iv2rd1n what did he steal?
I’m not sure completely how I feel about it to play devil’s advocate I don’t think the ones who didn’t shoot him should be in jail for a long time. But I do think they are all in the wrong and why the fuck would you charge at someone with a gun because they may have committed a crime. Arbery wasn’t innocent he did crimes before and was probably stealing something but I still think them attacking him was wrong
I would say after reading more into it it was pretty screwed up
@@deleteduser3455 I will answer the questions "why would you charge at someone with a gun?" Because you had be chased down 3 different streets in multiple directions, for 5 minutes straight, each time you changed directions the attempted to run off the road, you had been hit by the truck and knocked into a ditch, then when you thought you were getting away, one of the trucks had circled around and was blocking the street, and the truck that hit you and knocked you in the ditch was blocking the way behind.
Dr. Grande you do a great service to the online community when you make these objective analyses of controversial current events.
Yes! Very helpful!
Yes I think those are good. Sure they are his own views and we are always able to not agree and discuss them but what's really good about them is the way he expresses them in a calm, rationnal and mature way. An example for anyone who wants to behave like an adult and keep level headed while facing difficult topics. I think he is a role model in that way. A great ground to have a great debate if you ask me.
There's a distinct lack CZcamsrs who are both well-informed AND unbiased. And who don't politicize everything.
Agreed 💯
Yep, and with this conclusion
Put the racist scumquats in prison for life
now that they're convicted, can we focus on the fact that this was almost covered up? That's crazy.
LET THAT SHIT BE SAID AGAIN!!!!
Ahmaud Arbrery had the RIGHT TO SELF-PRESERVATION/DEFENSE. Fight or Flight.. He did both!
@Goosecore Go spend some time watching the wonderful Self-defense channel called *Active Self Protection*. Lots of lessons to be learned. If someone is the aggressor..you have the RIGHT TO LIVE.
Now how you choose to respond is up to you... Compliance (beg for your life) vs Counter-Attack (Be a Victor) matters. Skills, Training, and Timing are Essential.
@Mind Blown NOPE. Ppl regardless of their race & ESPECIALLY Blk ppl, are NOT obligated to '🤤StOp n wAiT FeR pOliCe' just because some slack jawed yokels with weapons recklessly pursue them & demand that they surrender & do so...
Seems you have the same '$l@ve c@tchers' mindset that those three newly convicted felons had the day they chose to violate Mr. Arbery's civil rights & his humanity, which is why the message of their conviction is such a necessity🥀
@@corlenajames1381 Yes all 3 defendants will spend the rest of their lives in prison, as they should.
That's probably little consolation to Arbery, who is still dead.
It usually isn't a good tactical decision to escalate people who are armed and have you outnumbered.
Why give them the satisfaction of so easily defeating you?
Pick your battles wisely and LIVE to fight another day.
@@MrTee12 Yes, Arbery did have the RIGHT. Would you rather be right or would you rather live ?
It's probably never a good tactical move to escalate people with guns who have you outnumbered.
Sure, they are all going to prison for life, but Arbery is still just as dead.
I don't know who to respond to so I'm just going to put this out there: I'm sure that Arbery thought that he was going to die no matter what. He was chased, most likely hit by a car, and gunned down he probably thought that was his only option. He tried running, he was afraid to just wait for police to show up (which makes sense in the current day and age) so he fought back.
Hate really blinds people thinking ability.
Great analysis Dr Grande!!
I find it ironic that so many of the defenders of these two are pro "self defense", and inexplicably support them for unlawfully chasing this guy down as self defense. But then also say stuff like "hey, if it were me I wouldn't charged at a loaded shotgun". Baffling hypocrisy. I know it's an attempt to excuse the shooting, but again, a lot of these people are the type to say "if that were me I would have pulled out my concealed handgun and fought off the terrorists", it just makes no sense. They praise themselves in their own mind for being willing to die heroically, and in self defense, but Arbery does something taking more courage than themselves even in their own fantasies, and it's grounds for killing him justly. This was one of the cases that really woke me up. I was never on the right, or left. And I honestly don't want to get political because I know it's just a show and there is only one party. But I was still listening to Tim Pool, and trying to take in both sides, and I still do, but after hearing all them make excuses I found myself disgusted. They posted the dead body of a man they killed online, repeatedly, called him racial slurs, with a track record of doing it to others, hunted him down in a pickup truck, and one of the parties I'm supposed to respect wanted to praise the police force for just ignoring it...And then I start seeing comments everywhere about "joggers", because one person, one time, speculated 'maybe he was jogging'. And that was their big gotcha moment. Whole new line of hidden slurs used all over now because the notion of speculation, or him walking instead of jogging, were too distant an idea for their peanut brains to reach. Such an ugly time to be alive, I had no idea the country was this racist. And a part of me really thinks it wasn't this bad before. But maybe it's just rose colored glasses.
@@dishonoredundead beautifully said. I was a staunch republican a year ago. Now I am disgusted by that party. Won’t call myself a democrat but people on the right are mostly racist bigots. The officer Tatum disgusts me 🤢
There's 0 evidence to say race played any role.... Aubry was NOT a jogger, that part is bullshit ...
He was on video entering the home multiple occasions probably casing the site... joggers don't do that...
of course it doesn't justify killing him or trying to commit a citizens arrest without actually seeing him committing a crime, but the whole narrative that 3 white guys hunted a black guy because he was black is a lie that left wants to spread because the leftists believe that USA, arguably the least racist nation on earth, is filled with racists
@@kurger100 This has to be comedic satire lmaoo
@@nigelstanford4 everything I said is true... If your rebuttal is a smartass comment and not anything else then it proves me true... US is the least racist nation on earth where anyone can work hard and better their life... Thats why millions of non white immigrants like myself come to this great nation... Only a leftist American (mostly a white person) would like to trash talk America to have self satisfaction of being a 'white saviour' to non whites by trash talking America... I have seen that movie before dude... I bet you are a leftist who thought Trump is Hitler and voted for the shitstain we have in the WH now
William Bryant is the definition of “should’ve minded my own business” imagine going to prison and still facing federal hate crime charges because you helped two guys you barely know chase down another guy you don’t know. Throw him away 🗑
Damn imagine if Arbery just minded his own business and didn't look for shit to steal. He'd be alive and nobody would be in prison.
people are outing themselves as shit people by saying Bryan deserved all those charges, zero empathy, zero class.
Facts
@@penskepc2374, wtf, without William Roddie Bryan's help with the unlawful pursuit and attempted detention of Ahmaud Arbery, Ahmaud could have always run away from the McMichaels and their guns, which he had done many times that day.
@@penskepc2374 okkk. YeH chasing down a guy, cutting him off so violently with your car he runs into it kinda makes you part of the murder.
Dr Grande, you went through the facts in this case with a fine-tooth comb. A Black man would have been taken from his family with no one held responsible. I’m happy justice was served!
You have a big heart
He's as far from the facts as anyone could be; that black man "taken from his family" was a violent criminal, nothing of value was lost.
It wasn't served, because 2 of the men were sentenced to life in prison just for recording the video.
@@YoungNino2017 s that right? Was Arbery a violent criminal? Had he previously injured or committed murder? I may hv heard about Ahmud having a record for petty theft but nothing on murder. Could you cite sources?
I agree with you Lina, but try this: A man would have been taken from his family with no one held responsible. The man happened to be of color. Most IMPORTANTLY, he was a human being.
The homeowner said nothing was stolen and it wasn’t uncommon for people to check out the construction. He was studying to be an electrician and may have just been curious.
@Scotty Trespassing isn't investigated by police, it's so minor as to be irrelevant unless it has aggravating factors or the owner has told you to leave and you refuse.
Hopefully his family can have some peace. Poor guy.
@@NordicFrog Do you have a resource citing his history of trespassing? I couldn’t find anything other than articles stating that he would have received a warning at most from police for the trespassing violation. The same violation in question that he was gunned down for.
@@NordicFrog unless you’re referring to the same home that many other people were recording passing through. They didn’t catch him stealing or causing harm to anyone. And if a warning is all he would receive I don’t really understand why you’re underlining something speculative when he was murdered.
@@NordicFrog he was suspected by the people who chased him down with a shotgun and killed him.
Its a good thing there is a video of the murder because I feel like if there wasn’t there would never be a conviction.
I totally agree. They weren't even arrested until they posted it online. 2 months after the shooting.
I guarantee nothing would have happened at all! Buried and done. And proud in the community to boot.
Hoisted on their own patard!
@@LukeMcGuireoides ok you just saved me googling. I wanted to know what it meant cuz I love the expression too. Thank you
Without their own video , they would have walked because of reasonable doubt , that IF they ever got charged
Remember. These three men chased Ahmad for FIVE FULL MINUTES before he fought back. He was trying to get away from them.
Remember, they chased him down in a truck with a confederate flag. As a person of color that flag is a reflection of the owner; they hate me, they don't see me as human and they want me to know it.
@@Sammiein lolz. Andre 3000 the musician had a Confederate belt buckle in one of his music videos. It's not always about you, dude, or Blacks.
@@trugrit7210 "It's not always about blacks"....I love how confederate loyalist are always deflecting from the true meaning of that flag!.. I don't give a f*ck if the Pope snapped a pic of that flag and posted it, white folks long long time ago established what that flag meant to them, funny that there's always a few trying to take up for the knuckle draggers...
@@somethingserious4090 ah, ok.... so Andre 3000 the Black rapper is actually a White racist and the "Dukes of Hazard" was a White racist show... you dummy... how the Confederate flag is perceived today is influenced by recent politics. You can see it as racist, because you're simple and easily influenced, but many people view it as a symbol of southern culture generally. I've even seen Blacks with the Confederate flags. As I pointed out already the Black rapper Andre 3000 had a Confederate belt buckle in his music video.
@@trugrit7210 lol you guys lost the civil war. cope cope cope.
Dr. Grande, I really appreciate you covering this tragedy. I agree with you wholeheartedly! Those 3 men seemed to be motivated by hatred, ignorance and lack of respect for others. I imagine they are now saddened only for themselves.
My husband and I looked at several houses under construction while we were deciding what kind of layout we wanted for our future home. We never entered a home that had a 'No Trespassing' sign posted and we never touched anything. There was nothing to steal in those houses IMO. Did we go in uninvited? Yes. Did we deserve to be shot for our actions? Nope.
Apparently he had been in it 5 times. It's hard to say why he was going inside, but maybe he was looking at the progress? None of us can know. What we do know is that, like you, he didn't touch or take anything each time he went inside. Definitely no reason to kill someone 😒
@@robertruge2916 There were no tools missing, Do you just make this BS up?
@@robertruge2916 One would think there would be video proof of that, no?
Did you steal things previous? Did you lie when caught trespassing and say you were just a "jogger"? Do you have a history of crime and theft?
It was another guy they got mixed up with that stole a power tool. A week earlier. It wasn't Arbury. They decided to take matter into their own hands. Now a man is dead and 3 guys are going to prison for life.
Yeah Travis on stand kept talking about how he didn't know Arberys intentions were or what he was going to do but how do you think Arbery felt? He didn't know what those three men were going to do as they were going after him like they were hunting an animal. He tried running away. They should of let him go. Plain and simple.
That video was disturbing. It was very clear what kind of people these three were. Yelling at him to stop, as if they had the right to order this man around! He didn't have to stop or talk to them. He did nothing wrong. I see shotguns, and I'm running faster!
And that lawyer. "We don't want more black preachers in here!" WHAT? smh.
@@LDiamondz yeah it was all disgusting. The cops on scene were disgusting too. Oh it's okay Travis you want some water and a cookie?!" Like wtf he just killed a man. (I just watched the female cops body cam)
@@Jess0423 Those cops. All concerned because Travis had Ahmauds blood on him! They wanted to hurry, so he could wash it off. One cop said "You shouldn't have to walk around with all that blood on you, let's see if we can get you cleaned up" While Ahmauds body is in the street. Poor Travis! smh.
@Mike Hunt All you bumpkins don't realize everyone has cameras now
See the Feb. 11 incident at which 911 was called on Arbery, at night, at the property(purportedly). Burglaries had been happening. Travis's handgun was stolen from Travis's truck in January/new years. Arbery walked to the house, and ran fast out of the house after the neighbor across the street called out to him about with concern of his(Arbery's) activities there. The word had been shared around the neighborhood of Arbery's entry's into the property, including at night. And thus, on the final day, Arbery was disrespecting/ignoring the neighborhood watch call outs. They didn't want to harm or kill Arbery,…. all Arbery had to do was respect, cool the situation down,…. ask 'what's up',….. and the McM's would chilld down too. It's a matter of respect for reasonable neighborhood territorialism. This is not a neutered wimpy community. They're going to stand up to suspiciuos activity, suspicious behavior, and so they did. But it backfired in this case.
Thanks Dr. Grande, for covering this case in a respectful and thorough way. We love and appreciate your channel. No sensationalism, all facts with deadpan humor when appropriate. See you at a MILLION😊
Yeah that was clearly racially motivated and he explained it very well
"Empowered, encouraged, & buried the crime". Completely agree! I am from this area of Georgia. Dr. Todd's assessment that these men believed they did not commit a crime / were justified in their actions is deeply ingrained in the social psyche of SE Georgia. It is why they released the video footage: from that mindset, when viewing the video they are justified in their actions. Their racial slurs confirm this. If the victim's family had not gained national exposure these men would never have been charged. Hopeful this sends a clear message as to the value of all human life, brings about more change in the region. Thank you, Dr. Todd!
Why do you need to get firearms to talk to someone? What on earth did this guy do? He looked at a construction site - so many men do this kind of thing all the time! It looks so racist to me. If 3 guys came after me in a vehicle, carrying multiple firearms, I'd be petrified!
You are right. I have looked around construction sites more than once. Nobody bothered me. Of course I’m about as white as one can be.
@Goosecore So glad you were there inside Ahmaud's head when it happened.
@@richardsisk1770 lol. I still do it!
There was multiple thefts that had happened at the construction site, along with a weapon stolen out of a vehicle. These thefts happened on the same nights he showed up on camera at the site. Even the prosecutor said he wasn't just a jogger.
Now, none of this gave these guys the right to chase him down. They should have called the cops and followed from a safe distance.
@@Nothingtoya But we know the prosecutors were crooked, so...
I genuinely appreciate your level-headed approach to heated and emotional subjects. Dont worry about the detractors- your content is a breath of fresh air.
Carol King said it best in Smackwater Jack, "You can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand." No one knows what Arbery was thinking during the last moments of life in terror. I would have done what Arbery did. Try to get away!
I suggest you DONT grab the muzzle of any gun pointed at you...the person holding it may want NOT to shoot you, but that action alone, if their finger is on the trigger, will likely make the gun fire: actually an involuntary act pulling the trigger in those specific circumstances. So DONT do that.
@@latinaalma1947 no. Not a good argument. The gun owner was wrong here.
@@neotheboxer6015 My comment stands on its merits...I was giving sound advice re handling firearms... I was not rehashing the trial here. Do NOT grab the barrel of any forearm pointed at you...there is a very high probablity THAT will it NOT end well for you ...I will say it until it gets through to people...others here have stated " I would grab that gun"...I was responding to THAT sentiment...a recipe for disaster.
@@neotheboxer6015 obviously the gun owner was wrong. That said, he has the gun. Never go toward the man with the gun and certainly don’t try to take it away from him.
@@latinaalma1947 you are arguing a point with no basis in fact. If you watched the trial, they slowed down the video and it did not back up Travis' account of Arbery grabbing the gun. He ran around the truck and Travis stepped towards him pointing the gun in his direction. None of us saw what Ahmauds hands were doing while he was in front of the truck. Even Travis said he didn't remember if Ahmaud reached for the gun. That narrative came out later when they were trying to justify shooting him. If you believe Arbery was touching the gun it's because you want to belive it, not because it's supported by forensic evidence.
Your analysis reminds me of how I have viewed this case. "Citizen's Arrest" should be thoroughly examined in all states. Additionally, there should be a dialogue about people playing cop without a badge.
I'm so glad Georgia has changed the Citizens arrest law.
Have you ever heard about white to white citizen arrest !!! I didn’t !!! Event if it did it will be like 1% !!!! It’s crystal clear what’s the problem here, it’s about colour 😐😐😐, simple .
Absolutely agree.
George Zimmerman all over again.
@@gerard4039 These people believe in policing Blacks. That's why you've never seen that type of citizens arrest. It's pure vigilantism. Ironically, they would've gotten away with murder.
I’m so glad I found this channel: opening our eyes to reason deeply about matters in order to think deeper if something else occurs instead of just reading on the surface. Thank you Dr. Grande,.
Common sense and critical thinking!
@@bthomson yes but unfortunately among those who think they should not have even been charged let alone found guilty common sense is not so common. The original DA assigned to the case was arrested for instruction the police not to even arrest them at the time of the incident. Her case is pending right now. Her being at that level we would expect a little “common sense” from her right ?
What was the racist remark that Travis made?
I heard there was only 1 burglary in there area.
@@musicalnos5038
Exactly right!
Evidently racism and corruption equals 0 common sense!
From what I've encountered, those who disagree with the verdicts only are focusing on when Arbery stopped and engaged with Travis; they apparently see this as Travis having the only right to self defense. Reasons for this seem to be: 1) some people are simply racist, 2) some people think having a gun makes you the good guy, and 3) they don't understand Georgia Laws regarding Citizen's Arrest (at the time, now repealed) and erroneously think Arbery had committed a felony. Morons aside, I'm very happy with the Jury's verdicts.
So well stated. Thank you!
I doubt at the time the McMichael's even knew anything about the citizens arrest law obviously Travis didn't. During the 911 call Greg yells "Stop Stop" I believe at Arbery then he yells "Travis" I suspect Greg knew jumping from the Truck was a bad idea with that shotgun. Then you hear the shots right after that. The citizens arrest was probably an attorney's brought that up. This case is lot like George Zimmerman case where he stopped a kid who attacked him just like Arbery.
once arbery left the property with no sign that a crime had been committed, they had no legal grounds to question him, much less pursue and attempt to detain him. from doing that alone, they had already engaged in criminal activity. some idiots try to hide behind the question of "why did he try to fight a man armed with a gun?" arbery had no other choice but to fight them because they had already used their vehicles to block off all of his attempts to leave the area peacefully, chased him until he was exhausted, then confronted him with a shotgun in hand. anybody would feel that their life was in danger at that point
with how cozy the guilty party was with local authorities, this case wouldn't have gotten a second look had the video not been released
None of those 3 points really actually address the self defense point at all. Strawman arguements all of them.
I dont think arbery did anything wrong to deserve getting killed, but your avoiding peoples actual arguement. Its a disengenuos way to represent your side of the arguement, even tho your correct in your verdict.
Thanks for calling it like it is. Unfortunately, there are deep pockets of ignorance and racism here in Georgia. I'm glad they were found guilty. And I hope to see some accountability in that county for being so slow to address the situation and make arrests.
@kyennerell Everyone needs to be fired. Clean that place out, the point of that agency lost it's way that is if they ever had it. It is just by luck and ignorance that this case came to its true light.
For being so slow?! How about the DA that tried to shield these murderers?!
I can tell you have no clue and haven't seen the video. It was clearly Arbury who in addition to being the robber, also ran across the truck and towards the man initiating violent contact. You people are pathetic.
The only racism going on here is anti-White
@@spencer5028 Lawd hammercy... smh
I can imagine how scared that young man felt. This was so ridiculous
Scared yet went for the shotgun?
@@John-kv7jo yeah, he was scared so he defended himself
@@user-tg6vk9uy3b At the time of his death, Arbery was on probation for two crimes. This probably made him less willing to stop and talk with the McMichaels, but Judge Walmsley ruled that prior convictions were irrelevant.
It's like that quite often for Black men.
@Greg Bailey Idiotic and inarticulate analogy; here's a better one... you are in a normal neighborhood and you rob a house, when you are caught you run... when you are followed do you a) flee in another direction where their cars can't catch you b) talk to the men and when you see they have a gun avoid getting shot by behaving cordially, or C) run up to the driver side door of one of the cars and begin punching a man with a gun in the head since you know you've been caught and are too stupid to run any other direction. Also realize that him fighting the man in the truck is proof he was caught doing something wrong, otherwise they would have just been two trucks driving past him on the road -- watch the video half-wit, ahmaud arbery attacks THEM
"Quit running away from me. Get back here! I want to defend myself!"
Love it. Too funny yet sad in it's reality. Best comment here so far! Lol
I love a good sense of humor lol🤣
I can see your intention.
It falls short for me.
It came down to some kind of legal jargin when they used self defense.
They were investigating someone. Putting pressure on him. They let go for a bit.
Travis and Ahmaud arguabaly escalated it together.
Greg was on the phone with police.
Murder?
Roddie was trying to get Ahmaud on video and slow him down. Murder?
Travis Killed Ahmaud but he didnt murder him.
They had 5 minutes to muder him before he was killed
@@alanwhite1128 cope
@@StayedZues584 nothing to cope with.
I have an opinion.
That is unpopular with the popular opinion.
Not personal for me.
If anyone has a perspective that can enlighten me. I would be humbled.
This case is so upsetting. When I was 19, my boyfriend and I walked through several houses under construction in a neighboring subdivision. We pretended we were homebuyers, talked about what each room would be, where we would put the children (we had no children), where we'd put the furniture...all those things a teenager couple talk about (ha). I was a strict rule follower and was terrified we were doing something wrong. I thought someone would come yell at us. Never, ever, did I imagine a scenario where I'd be chased down and murdered. When I hear someone say white privilege doesn't exist, this is what I think about.
Were there people there who you told your fake story to? If not, you are breaking and entering. This case seems to be not an under construction site with big signs trying to get buyers. This seems to have been a guy upgrading or building in a well established area.
Probably wouldn't be murdered if you didn't attempt to flee when they called the police, and then try and reach for their guns to kill them when you realized you weren't going to get away.
@@Schlabbeflicker If someone hit me with their car and another one pointed a gun in my face I might grab the gun too. Especially if I thought I was going to die anyway.
The McMichaels and Bryan don't have any white privilege. The fact they were convicted for Arbery's death shows that.
@Kevin Gallagher You missed the point.
It is the white people who wander through construction sites without being chased down by people with guns, not those murderers, who are protected by white privilege. Like the ones who wandered through the very construction site that Arbury did.
And the murderers very nearly were protected by white privilege. The police officers who came to the scene took their word for what had happened, and the prosecutor at the time didn’t press charges. Had one of the murderers not believed that the video exonerated them, they probably never would have been charged, much less convicted.
I have gone into construction sites out of curiosity before. Not a big building, but a house. They were building new houses in my neighborhood and all the neighbors checked it out. Also abandoned houses. I think almost everyone has.
Me too. I've done it several times & it never crossed my mind getting shot for it.
That is the really weird aspect of this case to me. Why on earth are all of these/you people going into private property? I would never do that, and I do not know anyone who has. Do you have any concept of how bizarre that is? Plus, common sense would tell you it could be dangerous. It's not like walking around the yard. You are entering a HOUSE without permission.
It’s trespassing, stay off property that isn’t yours.
I am now imagining an entire neighborhood wandering around a home construction site, dumbfounded, like they didn't know houses were built or something.
This is not about merely going into construction sites. See the Feb. 11 incident at which 911 was called on Arbery, at night, at the property(purportedly). Burglaries had been happening. Travis's handgun was stolen from Travis's truck in January/new years. Arbery walked to the house, and ran fast out of the house after the neighbor across the street called out to him about with concern of his(Arbery's) activities there. The word had been shared around the neighborhood of Arbery's entry's into the property, including at night. And thus, on the final day, Arbery was disrespecting/ignoring the neighborhood watch call outs. They didn't want to harm or kill Arbery,…. all Arbery had to do was respect, cool the situation down,…. ask 'what's up',….. and the McM's would chilld down too. It's a matter of respect for reasonable neighborhood territorialism. This is not a neutered wimpy community. They're going to stand up to suspiciuos activity, suspicious behavior, and so they did. But it backfired in this case.
For 'he grabbed the gun' crowd. Lets try this. A woman is hiking in the woods; 3 men on dirt bikes begin chasing her for 5 minutes; she comes around a bend and she is confronted by 2 of the 3 men; both holding knives and shouting at her to stop. She immediately grabs the blade of the man closest to her and begin striking and tussling; he in turn, stabs her 3 times. only a lunatic would think the man was justified because she grab his blade.
Bogus analogy, the "jogger" ran across the truck and initiated violent physical contact resulting in the gun being fired. These men should be free, they are people who tried to protect their community and certainly made it safer with the removal of Arbury from this world.
was she breaking the law before it happened? why would anyone thats scared and innocent attack someone with a knife or a gun?
@@spencer5028 1st shot was fired as soon as he reached the front of the truck. His option was to try to prevent another shot. Running away would result in being shot in the back
@@spencer5028 lol, safe from what? Stealing hammers and nails? "resulting in the gun being fired" It's interesting the gymnastics your brain is doing to not acknowledge reality.
@@spencer5028 Please stick to watching your anime's and I pray that you never feel the need to protect my or anyone else's community with your lack of common sense.
I have seen these racist killings for nearly 72 years. People who show up for church every week sometimes see nothing at all wrong with this type of behavior. Although I grew up with racist parents - I never felt that way and still don't. I really got tired of my fellow students telling me I would be more popular if I didn't hang out with my black friends. I am used to doing what is right for me so I ignored them. I wasn't there for pupularity in the first place. This was a parochial school but it made no difference. I am deeply disappointed and hurt that this is America in 2021. I left in 2018 and my new country has problems but racist killings are not one of them.
My mother left Georgia in the 70’s for the same reason. My fifteen year old sister returned with my with mum to the states in 2005, she was 15. The kids at school told her the same things they told you. This was Brunswick, Georgia.
This has nothing to do with racism. The three men suspected of Ahmaud being a thief. They attempted to detain him and Ahmaud foolishly went for the gun.
@@John-kv7jo Here’s a simple question, if he had been white same age, doing the same exact thing (observing a construction site) even being suspected of stealing would they have killed him?
@@AP-fe9hm Firstly they never intended to kill him. If he were white he would have been detained. They testified that he was never jogging in that area. Remember Ahmaud only died when he went for the gun.
@@AP-fe9hm A crucial legal question was whether the three defendants were trying to make a lawful citizen’s arrest. The relevant law is only two sentences long:
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
In an independent analysis of the case, lawyer Andrew Branca argues that the two sentences anticipate two different scenarios. The first sentence is about minor offenses, such as shoplifting; citizens may not step in unless the crime was “committed in their presence or immediate knowledge.” In the case of a felony, a citizen can act on “reasonable and probable grounds.”
Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski tried to combine the two sentences, insisting that the crime for which citizens could make an arrest had to be a felony committed “in their presence.” She noted that trespassing - the only crime of which Arbery is known to the defendants to have been committed - did not justify citizen’s arrest, claiming that detention was lawful only in “emergency situations” when a crime is happening “right then and there.”
Mr. Branca notes that when a law is ambiguous it must, under the doctrine of “lenity,” be interpreted in the favor of a defendant, which would mean the men had the right to arrest Arbery merely for trespassing. Judge Walmsley did not clear up the ambiguity, and seemed to side with Miss Dunikoski, telling the jury that anyone who is the target of an unjustified citizen’s arrest “has the right to resist the arrest with such force as is reasonably necessary.”
Miss Dunikoski followed up this advantage: “You [Travis McMichael] can’t claim self-defense if you are the unjustified aggressor,” she said. “Who started this? It wasn’t Ahmaud Arbery.” Clearly, it is absurd to say that Travis McMichael forfeited all rights to self-defense. Was he legally obliged to let Arbery beat him to death? No matter what led up to the fight over the shotgun, at some point is could be reasonable to see Arbery as the aggressor. The jurors have not explained their verdict, but if they accepted the prosecution’s argument, there was never any hope for an acquittal.
In her closing arguments, Miss Dunikoski made the outrageous claim that the defendants chased Arbery “because he was a black man running down the street.” There had been no testimony to suggest race had anything to do with the decision to give chase, and it is impossible to believe the McMichaels would have jumped into their truck if Arbery had just been “a black man running down the street.”
The fact that you can chase an unarmed black man with your gun and people will just join in to help you says a lot about the amount of progress left to be made in our society.
When discussing criminal cases Grande consistently presents the facts more thoroughly and coherently than any other source I've seen or read. And in this case I've seen and read many descriptions of the events as well as hours of the trial, all which have left a frustratingly incomplete and/or inaccurate representation of the facts as they transpired. I would say that most journalists fall way short of the talent and rigor Grande has for sorting out the meaningful details. I am rarely left with nagging questions as I am with other coverages.
He actually doesn’t, he omits a lot of facts. This guy was caught on video by multiple neighbors over a period of months repeatedly burgling this neighbourhood. Everyone in the neighbourhood knows what he looks like because they’ve all seen the videos. This is an important fact, and was bought up in court, but dr grande doesn’t mention it. A good source, sorry for the cringe name, is ‘actual justice warrior’. He has a real conservative bias in his opinions, but he does present the facts of these cases in the most complete way I’ve ever come across
@@sticklebacketienne As I've said, I spent a lot of time watching the trial and reading the news and have seen nothing of the sort. Can you offer us a credible source for confirmation aside from the opinion of someone with an overt political agenda and little to show for relevant credentials?
Regarding the question of probable cause: I did watch enough of the Actual Justice Warrior video to see him suggest with no basis that the defendants witnessed or had immediate knowledge of a felony having been committed by Arbery thereby justifying their attempt at citizens arrest. This issue was a major issue in the trial and was hotly contested. The state easily won that one. I seriously doubt if the defense would have withheld the information you wrote of. And in either case, it's quite plain that Arbery was never known to have burgled the English property as you stated. Also, the defendants never offered that they had knowledge of such which seems rather odd.
@@bradsillasen1972 well stated!
This had a very “sundown town” feel. Especially after hearing the demographics and that Arbery was pointed out.
Bellingham, Methington
How dare someone enter an unoccupied building under construction out of curiosity, have a look around, and then walk out! 🙄 It seems these men were just looking to unleash their hatred on the first person they saw with dark skin. I thought your analysis was perfectly logical and brought us back to the basic reason this crime was committed. What a heartbreaking event. Thank you for speaking about this, Dr. G.
@Mind Blown Right, things are not as they should be.
But there was tons and tons of theft in the area and particularly from that home being remodeled that's why they suspected something. It wasn't based on racism it was based on his suspicious behavior and the fact there's tons of theft already. Racism isn't everywhere - as you would like to believe.
You do know he had a history of stealing and claiming he was jogging right?
Yes like how dare he access private property!
@@LaurensSecretAdmirer You are extremely uninformed. The owner of the home under construction has alrady confirmed that NOTHING was ever talen (stolen) from the CONSTRUCTION SITE. There are many other people filmed looking at the construction site, but Ahmoud was the only one chased down and murdered. He also was the only Black person recorded. One other nugget of info - the only person actually caught (on camera) stealing was a White guy stealing tool(s) from a pick up truck, not the half constructed house in question.
As is always the case Dr Grande gave me a number of things to think about. This case is so very troubling and bringing light to this sad situation is beneficial. Thank you.
Very good analysis. You're not letting politics or media influence you as an influencer. Not everyone agrees but they
should respect your integrity.
As usual, Dr Grande, you have made a calm, factual analysis to a crime loaded with high emotions.
It seems the epitome of racism that the perpetrators felt comfortable in sharing a video of their crime with the world. They likely felt it would exonerate them. In the past, maybe it would have? The failure to bring charges straightaway shows how deeply racism has always penetrated into the halls of justice. It is gratifying that an actual jury found them guilty of such an egregious crime.
Thanks for your good work.
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I'd be interested in your thoughts on something a friend of mine pointed out that I had had not considered. There has been a lot of discussion about the racial makeup of the jury but I think another interesting aspect here in the gender makeup of the jury, it was almost all women. Now, one of the defense's main arguments seemed to have been that if some random guy pulls up next to you and says "hey I want to talk to you" then you are obligated to stop and talk to them. This arugment is absoultly ridiculous but it is especially absurd to almost every woman in the world. We know the fear of being followed, of having strange men trying to talk to us, having to plan out an escape strategy in our head, etc. This argument was never going to sit well with most women. And, I think the fact that they thought it was a reasonable argument is just more evidence of their privilage white male statues. They truely believe that if they tell someone "hey I want to talk to you!" That person has to stop and talk to them.
I think the defense was relying on those southern white women to side with the white guys in their time-honored tradition. Whoopsie!
Good point. I know if some random dude approached me on a run and said “I just want to talk with you” I’d kick it into high gear and probably break my personal record for running a mile!
My thoughts as well
Very nice thought. The defence probably thought i almost have a complete white jury but they didn't count the fact that were mostly white women who have sons of their own and, who could relate. Race didn't matter to this jury.
@@debmac2790 It didn't matter because the DA didn't make it about race.
Dr. Grande is not afraid to ask the tough questions.
@@FightTheByte_ Are you really going to say these people are innocent after they killed a man?
@@Justakidthatrantsisapimp yes, he's all over the comment section lying on Arbury for his fellow POS smdh
@@NeeNee_B. Bruh who is this
@@Justakidthatrantsisapimp you mean after Arbery rushed him and grabbed his gun?
@@bramdoe3303 even if that were true, he wouldn't have felt the need to rush him if he weren't CHASING HIM IN A MOB WITH GUNS 🤦🏿♀️ You racists are pathetic; you can't come up with good justifications bc there ARENT any 😒
We renovated our house in 2000. I can’t tell you how many times someone just wandered in out of curiosity. Once I was working there by myself (I’m female) and heard voices. There were three college professors in the basement! Scared me half to death. But I never considered shooting them!
Right. I guess if a person puts a No trespassing sign up, they then have some grounds for subsequent criminal action (not killing though). Sorry you had that experience, as a woman real estate investor, I understand the level of caution and awareness you must take everyday in your job. This is just a sad and unfortunate event that could have been easily preventable from onset. Society really need to check their mentality and response factors. It’s turning into the Wild Wild West.
@@britzkrieg2 If OP doesn't know, could it be that she had a conversation with these people and they told her they were professors at a local college and she didn't care enough to inquire as to what exactly they taught?
@@deadmanswife3625 exactly
Arbery was acting suspiciously over repeated incidents. They thought Arbery may be armed with a weapon such as a handgun, in his pocket. They went in to apprehend him for the police, prepared.
@@bonsummers2657 haha horrible analysis, “they went to apprehend him for police, PREPARED” yeah ok. Imagine someone chasing you down the street “prepared” and wanted to force you to answer their questions against your will and with the threat of death. All because they THOUGHT you committed a crime because you were acting “suspicious”. I have one question for you, please let me know if suspicion is a misdemeanor or felony.
Never film your own crime. Great analysis. These men were guilty. This is a a Sad case. Great explanation of who was convicted of what and why. Thanks Dr Grande. Justice was served!
They literally called 911 saying that their emergency was "a black man is running down the street" that's it nothing else they just had an issue with him being black.
it's because they'd seen him in the neighborhood multiple times before acting suspicious, sometimes before the sun was even up. one time a police officer even had the Mcmichaels escort him to look for Aubrey. the police and townspeople sort of encouraged and motivated them to hunt him down.
It's called a description of a suspect....Jesus you'd have to be thick headed to jump to that conclusion.
@@TraceVandal and you have too be naive too think this had nothing too do with race 🙄
@@Destiny1994ish If he said he was wearing red pants, would you call him a red pantsist
Well said
Good job again, Dr. G.
These analyses are (ALL) so unbiased that I am at a point where I don’t visit this channel to see if I agree or disagree.
I visit this channel to educate myself.
The citizens arrest law was coined during slavery you could collect money for catching run away slaves and detain them for sherrif or untill the owner of said slave to back their property. I'm glad they did away with that law.
Deb , that's horrible, sorry but I come from Australia, although we started out as a penal colony, we didn't have slaves
@@cottontails9003 Oh yes we did: how else would you categorize the unpaid stockmen, stockwomen and domestic workers without whom the cattle & sheep industries wouldn't have made as much money as they did for their white owners?And then there are the south sea islanders who were "blackbirded" here to work in the Queensland sugar plantations?
@@cottontails9003 I don't understand how ppl that claim to be christian and read scripture could skip the part where all man is created equal. That's why I don't don't believe in the christian religion. I believe no god is better then another that should pass down to us being humble ppl and treating everyone with dignity and respect. And if you treat me right I'm your friend
@@deblyons8366 The scriptures don't say, "all men are created equal." The scriptures say that slavery is okay, as long as the slaves are not your neighbors and as long as you don't beat them to death. The Bible condones slavery.
@@Mike_Jones281 then I guess you made her argument of why she doesn't like Christianity, even stronger for her.
Another great analysis. This case is clearly about racism against a black man who was completely innocent of any crime. I'm glad justice was made.
This reminds me of schoolyard bullies; why are they bothering someone who is only running down the street? This is a free country; I wouldn’t want someone trying to hold me against my will either. I could see if they saw the guy assault someone etc. but this is ridiculous!
It's beyond me they could think it's totally fine to hunt down and execute someone on the street for possible theft, without even getting a chance to defend himself, what right did they have to think that it's totally legal for them to charge and execute someone right on the street? Are they the police and the judge? That these kind people exists terrifies me, human life is nothing worth for them (or black life) if they can do something this cold blooded, he was even one against 3 with nothing to defend himself with, some still live in the 1800ds, if they at least had called the police instead (but maybe they would have shot the poor man too).
@@teijaflink2226 right? It is frightening. Hunting someone down, how can people be that evil. And how common are people who are just that evil?
And those guys are the ones calling themselves patriotic.
You gotta show them what it means to truly stand up for your land and people.
I agree, but this had zero to do with the thefts in the area. I understand the frustration people feel when burglars hit your neighborhood, BUT, no one thinks, "Gee, lets grab the guns and go git 'em!" is the appropriate response unless your in certain parts of the Deep South. This was about sending a message to "stay where you belong"; I bet those three didn't even actively think it, it's just part of their software.
@@bjkarana - it came out at the trial that there were no break-ins in the neighbourhood.
Ahmaud had to have been Soo Terrified!! I can't begin to imagine!
Of being caught maybe, but he clearly wasn't afraid of the McMichaels.
@@bramdoe3303 caught for what? He wasn’t doing anything.
@@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia riiiight. Just an innocent angel out jogging in his jogging boots with his jogging hammer. Definitely didn't have a history of using jogging as a cover for stealing and wasn't on camera being extremely suspicious.
Oh gosh it’s so awful 😥
@@bramdoe3303 I guess that’s why the guilty verdicts were rendered lol riiiggghhht
Thank you Dr Grande, I absolutely agree with your unbiased opinion.
Its so sad that he's like literally the only person who even tries to be unbiased.
I agree with him on this and the Rittenhouse video and people act like you're insane if you actually just try to follow the evidence
@@Aaron-kj8dv yeah, on this video and the rittenhouse video, he doesn’t show bias. However, on his video about ivermectin, he shows his bias and intentionally calls it a horse dewormer even though the drug has been used a lot every year on human. So I’m still on fence about his videos.
This was NOT a racially motivated apprehension or killing. Given the McMichaels, the same thing would've happened to a white dude with all the same incidents over months and same behaviors. Same thing with George Floyd.
@@bonsummers2657 ROFL! You're delusional.
@@user-jl1tc1ws1r I took it to mean in that vid, that people were buying ivermectin at the feed store therefore horse dewormer, packaged with the applicator for horses. I thought that because I buy a package once a year for my horse.
There are many disagreements around what’s considered racism. I think we all can agree that anyone capable of defending and/or justifying these mens’ actions are without a doubt racist.
Citizens arrest is kinda crazy, I feel it toes crossing the line of innocent until proven guilty. Your average person does not have the training or knowledge to do this.
So you want Sheeple.
Yeah I think the idea of a citizens arrest is a good idea, but the people most likely to do it are the exact people you don't want doing it
Hence the requirement that you must have SEEN the offence being committed immediately before.
I can see it being very useful if an assailant is witnessed attempting to kill, rape, abduct, or otherwise attack another person.
But not otherwise.
@@Aaron-kj8dv Exactly 💯
The Prosecutor was Amazing!!
Yes, the prosecutor did an amazing job!
Yes the Prosecutor did an amazing job
She did a great job!
Thank you for your unbiased input on ALL the cases you have analyzed.
Likely just bias that matches up with yours. I seen plenty of bias. Assuming the racial aspect, minus the racial epithets, was an example of bias. The racial epithets, if the man was white, could have been replaced with other slurs to fit the victim.
Quite a record!🎖🏆🏅
@@SlyNine lmao always that one person
@@sN00p_ Lol. That's usually me. Bouncing around an echo chamber hurts sometimes. 😂
@@SlyNine I agree. I mean, it always gets me how ppl form ultimate decisions, or turn folks into Two dimensional characters, on things going by only a few moments in said person's whole life; White ✔, Deep South ✔, old✔.
What stands out to me tho, here with Grande's presentation here was when he talked about the filming. Lol. Out his whole mouth ole' boy really professionally said that it was filmed because these three didn't think it was anything wrong with killing a blk person. 😭😭😭😭. As if this is 1820 or something. Da baby just filmed some sh!t with his baby mama. So I guessed he filmed that to show that it's O.K. to be disrespectful to women? 🤷🏽♀️😭
Yes! Grande has biases like most humans. All this means for me moving forward, with his content, is that I will take it fully knowing that its just a video online that I am watching for entertainment. I have to do my own research and question everything. Questions like were the slurs confirmed? was there really all other types of ppl just walking around that unfinished property too? did one of the dudes really just give Arbery's description as 'Black guy'? is or was he an actual jogger that had interest in home building? idk
Anywho, in another tab I am listening to the video 'Coleman Hughes on The Religion of Anti-Racism with John McWhorter'.
As a homeowner, I also love looking at houses under construction for inspiration lets say for new projects (but never go instead without permission), if they didn't have any evidence that Arbery committed burglary in that area, then it isn't right to pursue him with a weapon. I understand that there's a law for citizen's arrest, but definitely not to murder someone just because of a gut feeling. This case is so bizarre to be honest.
This case has stopped me from looking at houses under construction. I walk for exercise and I've been in almost every home in my development. I never thought of it being dangerous until now.
Their gut feeling was correct. Arbery had a history of thievery. But the jurors weren't allowed to hear of Arbery's past as a thief because the McMichaels weren't aware of his past.
@@trugrit7210 What was in that house worth anyone's life? If that's what you believe then a child should be killed for going into a store and thinking about stealing candy.
@@trugrit7210 as it should be
@@Sammiein Equating an adult walking on private property who has a long history of theft and whose mother called the cops on him because he was getting out of control because of his mental illness isn't the same as a child thinking or actually stealing a piece of candy. Everyone knows you can't walk on someone's property without permission. Your analogy was so dumb. No one gets shot for stealing a piece of candy. They have been shot for walking on private property.
That fact that McMichael released the video is the definition of Karma. He literally put himself in prison.
And the prosecuter kept letting him talk and explain to the nth degree because he just kept digging that whole deeper for himself the more he talked. Perfect.
It's the definition of stupidity and so arrogant that he thought he was 200% superior in his community as a white man that he was beyond justified in his point of view. But, yeah, karma will eventually get you.
@Kyle Yup, he thought "All I did was run over a black man five times, including hitting him once with my truck. That cannot be possibly illegal"
It's not karma.
That was really dumb. If you've all but gotten away with sketchy stuff don't draw attention to it.
I took a few Criminal Justice classes in college.
One of my professors told the class" once you decide to pull a gun on someone you better be damn sure you're right because once you own a gun you already have 1 foot in prison"
Why would you have 1 foot in prison for owning a gun? Brandishing sure, but simply owning? That's r*tarded.
@@bramdoe3303 I agree! That sounds like left anti gun propaganda to me.
@@Darktimes17 I don't think so he was a former police official and was pro 2A.
His point was with gun ownership comes great...extremely great responsibility
@Jo Jo Yes those protecting the community are asking for trouble and definitely not the "mostly peaceful" rioters. Thanks for your amazing take Jo Jo.
Sounds like a liberal, anti gun professor. We need guns,constitutional rights
You are a genius Doctor Grande. Your analysis of many if not most cases are well researched, informative, non biased and fair. Keep up the good work.
The arrogance of those 3 thinking that they have the right to corner someone with guns is insane.
They had probable cause. Ahmaud died when he went for the shotgun. They never set out to kill him, only to detain him.
@@John-kv7jo detain or attempted kidnap? Without some kind of evidence of or being witness to a crime, say seeing someone commit assault or rape, surely they don’t have the right to hold someone against their will at gun point? As it stands i don’t think anyone has been able to provide any proof that Aubrey committed an offence of any kind, just speculation and assumptions. If your gonna do what those guys did you better have something concrete or you will end up in prison for a long time.
@@11East Based on all the evidence they had probable cause to detain Ahmaud for theft. The law has two parts to it. There are instructions for a misdemeanor and there are instructions for a felony. Burglary is a felony and since Ahmaud had trespassed on the property numerous times and on the day of his death was seen running from the house, the totality of the evidence gave them to detain Ahmaud. The judge didn't explain the law properly to the jurors.
@Stacy Adams That does not matter all they needed was reasonable and probable suspicion that a felony theft had been committed.
“Reason number one: they chased a black man down the street, and murdered him.”
@Stacy Adams I'd actually prefer not to. It's really sad. :(
Even if they DID have the right to "detain" him, detain does not entail murder. If he got away, he was no longer detained 🤷🏿♀️ Sucks for you, you don't get to kill him for it POS
This is wrong. First, no one is allowed to use lethal force to prevent someone escaping - unless they are deemed to be an active threat to others. The use of lethal force is not to detain someone, it is in self-defence in response to someone resisting detention.
If the McMichael's had a legal right to detain Arbery then when he seemingly lunged for the weapon of one of them they could argue - perhaps successfully - that when they shot him this was an act of self-defence, it is legal to kill someone in self-defence if the force used was deemed proportionate in the circumstances. If someone is trying to take a lethal weapon from you, then that makes the situation potentially life threatening.
As it happens with this particular case, the statute for Citizens Arrest in Georgia limits the power of Citizens Arrest, those involved need to have a felony committed in their presence. Since the McMichael's were not in the area then this rules out a lawful citizens arrest. Even if they had seen him entering the building site, they had no evidence of a crime - if he had entered the property this would have been trespass which is not even criminal until the owner tells you to leave and refuse. What this means is that because the McMichael's had no right to detain Arbery, they cannot claim self-defence.
The jury made the right decision in my view, it wasn't even close it was clearly a murder.
IMO detain=kidnap.
@@NordicFrog Irrelevant for two reasons. First, before it was repealed the Citizens' Arrest law does not apply to every crime - felonies only I believe, and I would look it up but they repealed it.
Second, they were not stopping him for those trespasses.
Lastly, someone of the others who stopped to trespass on the site who were claimed to be Arbery weren't. Is there any actual evidence he had repeatedly trespassed on the construction site? I haven't seen it.
@@NordicFrog How dare a guy try and defend himself after being chased and cornered by three white dudes, one with a shit gun and the other with a 357 magnum. But he attacked them.. ya, whatever you say Hitler.
No, they did NOT "have the right to detain him". Where the hell did you glean that from?
I kinda wish the media had fixated on this case instead of Rittenhouse... it's a lot of the same racial tension issues, but with a case that's actually pretty cut and dry. Well, depending how you feel about citizen's arrest, but it looks like they are tightening up those laws in the aftermath as well. People can choose what 'jogging' means to them, or whether Arbery was just interested in construction, but unless you see a crime happen, you aren't allowed to just decide someone did something criminal without putting a legal noose around your own neck.
I think the media covered them both equally.
eventually but not while the trials were happening simultaneously.
There were no racial issues in the Rittenhouse case, which involved four white people. The media lied and implied that black people were the shooting victims. This was believed by people who made no attempt to discover the facts of the case.
@@lotstodo it’s ironic that some people were against the Rittenhouse verdict because of the implications that could lead to the exact scenario that Abrey was in & we all know that the racial precedent is still fixed for these “vigilantes” to get away
@@lotstodo Perhaps but coverage is not the same as "coverage". These cases were not equal in the evidence or circumstances. Rittenhouse (and the assailants) were a lot of people who in my opinion were looking for action or to be apart of something (for good: protection/protesting or bad: looting/rioting. The old "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comes to mind as everyone was out there illegally due to the curfew.
Judicially I think the Rittenhouse verdict was right under the law but I don't feel good about the precedence set. I don't think we don't want 17-year-olds running around with weapons short of hunting animals in the middle of nowhere. I wish the gun charge on Rittenhouse had been upheld; not to necessarily punish Rittenhouse but to serve as a precedent that . If you aren't old enough to drink, smoke or serve you should not be capable of projecting power afforded by guns.
The Arbery case seemed was a cases where you could see the "Old South" racism come through (I hate the way racism is deployed frivolously today but this one was full of it). The lawyers for the defense played into it with comments about "black pastors" in the courtroom, "dirty toe nails" and the defendants themselves using the language of strong racial bias captured on AV.
I support both verdicts though.
I agree with your analysis. I didn't realize that William had racist comments in his phone...I'm sure that's what motivated him to help the McMichael's pursue Ahmaud when he didn't know what was even happening. Also the fact that the McMichaels thought they had a self defense case when they were in the middle of hunting down someone is so ridiculous. You can't pursue someone and try to hunt them down, then claim self defense when the person you're after tries to defend himself.
I don't think that they really thought they had a "self-defense" claim but the defense attorneys had to have some sort of a case and that's the best they could do. Otherwise they would have had to just throw in the towel. Fortunately it was ineffective in this case. In my opinion of course.
Very calm and well balanced assessment of this case.
Typical for Dr Grande. Yes, extremely calm and measured.
@@NordicFrog Seeing your other comments are pro- Kyle Rittenhouse and Joe Rogan, something tells me you’re not “well balanced” 🤷🏻♀️
You'd have to be extra stupid to be anti self defense. Especially in a case that clear. Dr grande agrees.
@@spasticfurchild how was Rittenhouse wrong. Considering the prosecution withheld evidence.
Rogan is pure entertainment. I've posted on his pages, as there is much bs to see, even when he has a knowledgeable degreed expert on.
This seems so similar to the Zimmerman-Martin case. I bet they'll be regretting this for the rest of their lives. And good! I worked in loss prevention for some time at a major retailer. We couldn't detain someone unless we watched an offense (putting unpaid-for jewelry from a sales kiosk into a pocketbook, for example), then maintained contact of the subject all the way until he or she exited the store, while being certain all the while that the merchandise was not dispensed in the process. If at any time visual contact is lost--the subject stops somewhere and bends down behind a clothing rack, for instance--the apprehension must be aborted. With that knowledge, when I heard about this case, I just couldn't believe it. Without even a solid grain of visual evidence these men hunted down and violently confronted a young man, killing him in the process. They deserve all the time they'll be sentenced to, and some, because no matter how many years they waste away in jail cells, Ahmaud will still be gone, unjustly because of them.
If they happen to live in prison what is the percentage of Black population in the prison that they’ll be in they’ll be lucky to survive
"Violently confronted" I can tell you have no clue and haven't seen the video. It was clearly Arbury who in addition to being the robber, also ran across the truck and towards the man initiating violent contact. You people are pathetic.
Zimmerman doesn’t regret what he did. He makes money signing autographed Skittles wrappers and selling them to racists. He even made money selling the gun used in the murder.
@@spencer5028 lmao
@@spencer5028 Your aloud to initiate violent contact if you feel your life is in danger. Being chased by guys with weapons and telling you to get in their car is kidnapping.
One of my favorite channels. Dr. Grande is the only guy I listen to while driving to work. I don't need to look at screen to be scientifically informed. Great job Dr. Grande ! Keep up the videos !
Yet another carefully researched and well-thought out analysis of this tragic case of racially motivated murder of an innocent young man. Thank you Dr
Grande for your wise and sensitive reporting as well as expressing your own opinions & speculations of what may constitute justice for all of the parties involved in this felony murder case. I always learn a little bit more about our flawed judicial system with every case you present.
Grew up in segregated Alabama
Saw such horrors perpetrated by racists on beautiful people of chocolate hues.
As a child, and now , it makes no sense.
However , the white side of my family were racists, well off and criminals.
Thank God the other relatives were Indigenous.
They and the civil rights movement has given me life lessons which informed my healing.
I owe my survival to my grandparents and every soul of chocolate hues
God bless you all
My prayers this mess stops
Thank you Dr. Grande for covering this matter. I've been waiting for you to discuss this.
Absolutely spot on, sir. That was a top-notch analysis!
This was a sundown neighborhood. If you’re black and seen in that neighborhood after working hours people with firearms were going to come confront you. I loved how the bigoted neighbors took the stand for the defense and tried to paint this picture of satilla shores being as bad as chicago with crime and scared to let their children play outside. Those bigoted women who took the stand tried to protect a bigoted murderer. Those women are almost just as bad.
THOSE EVIL RACIST MUDERERS ARE NOW IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. WEAK RACISTS. GOOD RIDDENCE
OMG, I am a runner and, out of curiosity, have gone inside houses that were under construction. I was just looking around, not touching anything. Luckily, I didn’t get murdered like this poor guy.
I, too, got in friendly knife fights as a teen. The police didn't have to shoot that poor girl who was just trying to have a fun little knife fight with her friend. Everyone stabbed each other when we were kids!
@@Schlabbeflicker I see from other comments that you posted that you're on the other side of the argument, that the slaying of this poor young man might not be murder? Please out of curiosity I would like to hear your argument on how what they ultimately did which was kill this unarmed fleeing man, may not be murder
@@ktk44man Literally not the point. What Arbery was or wasn't doing is entirely detached from the outcome of this case, as the primary fact of dispute was whether the McMichaels had met the burden under Georgia law to be entitled to perform citizen's arrest (they weren't).
My problem is that people in these cases tend to equate outcome with "what a person deserved". That's not how life works. Since this case became public people were trying to slide the narrative to argue that Arbery was a simple "jogger" who just liked exploring construction sites instead of discussing the McMichael's rights to perform a citizen's arrest in the first place. The argument people seem to be making is that Arbery being an innocent cherub somehow changes the facts of the crime itself, or that he somehow "deserved" the outcome less. Regardless of what people "deserve", they get what they get. People come out of the woodworks for this case to argue that "everyone trespasses" just like everyone came out when the police shot a teenage girl trying to stab another teenager girl about how "everyone got in knife fights when they were kids". It's intellectually dishonest and lazy.
@@Schlabbeflicker they are racist murderers who gunned down an innocent black man. Full stop...
@@Schlabbeflicker the two cases you are speaking of are entirely different.
What a tragedy! Pops McM are you proud of your actions? Like father like son??? This leaves lil son/grandson in a bloody path of sorrow.
No Pops McM. washing yours hands of physical blood CAN NOT eradicate your UGLY actions. MAY YOUR MAKER BE THE YOUR REAL JUDGE. 😐
If I recall correctly he basically said he would have killed Ahmad if his son didn't so...not sure there is much to say there
@@janewright315 Greg told the cops that he would have shot him if his son didn’t.
His words on bodycam were "I would have shot him if I had the chance " Pretty F'ed up.
Thank you for explaining what 'Felony Murder' is.
This is approximately the 12th analysis of Dr. Grande's I have watched. I have both enjoyed & been impressed by his clarity of thought, obvious attempts to be objective, fair & non-judgmental & his sound conclusions. I have learned much from each analysis, I feel richer for the time spent in watching & I also appreciate Dr. G's gentleness & understated sense of humor. Please continue this good work!
I came for the analysis and stayed for the humor 😂
Arbery ran to William Bryan's truck and tried to get in for safety. William made it sure that Arbery could not get in! This was a lynch mob in my eyes. I love how they were all yelling don't worry we have it on tape, don't worry it's on tape!! That tape showed their guilt in all of its broad daylight!
@Stacy Adams Nevermind that the driver was corralling him to trap him, while TRYING to run him over. But according to you, the guy shouldn’t have tried to avoid being shot/run over. Just say “the problem is he’s black” and leave it that. I bet you’d do a lot of things Bryan did.
He shot him THREE TIMES... I can't believe how much people feel entitled to. They had no idea if he was the man they were after -- but they got in their trucks, one in the bed with a shotgun and chased him down anyway, thinking that anyone (innocent or guilty) would stop to "talk"
I can think of few CZcamsrs worthy of this kind of success than Dr. Grande. Restores my faith in justice.
Can we talk about the way these types of folks look? I've noticed, too often, they go after attractive, fit men and if you look at the ones doing this... well.. if you look at this "man" and his "progeny"..... well... They are almost always unfortunate looking
judging people on their looks lol who does that sound like?
None of this would happen if the family didn’t push hard. They pretty much got away with it for 2 months. This should make us all really look into our justice system we’ll find more corruption.
Corruption? You are putting the cart in front of the horse.
It was a terrifying video. It felt like they were hunting that young man. He was very brave to try and stand his ground. Thank you so much Doc for the wonderful video on this harrowing subject💙☀💙
It shocking to me that they thought they could play cops hunt down and murder a man they didn't even see commit a crime and that be totally fine. Why not call the police instead, did they think they are in some wild western movie? And that anyone could think that it's okay (even for the police) to hunt down and murder someone for just theft makes me so mad I don't even know what to say. Clearly racism and using guns on people is deep in the blood of many American's. A human life is nothing worth for these people if they
think it's okay to execute someone on the street for theft, I doubt they would have done this to a white person though, they deserve to rot in jail.
Thats cause they were hunting him. It was a lynching, and they weren't even gonna be charged until that video can't out and people got mad
@@teijaflink2226 yeah the people even bothering to try to justify that was brutal
@@teijaflink2226 totally! They never would've done this to a white person. Many white people walked thru that site but no one chased them down with guns.
@@teijaflink2226 they had already come face to face with Aubrey snooping around their yards. More stuff would come up missing & they would see Aubrey walking thru the subdivision. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty. But u r really fckn long winded for someone who doesn't have time invested to watch a trial. DA.
Thank you for covering this case. There are many who think this murder was still justified and your analysis does help just help to get the truth out there not just the truth but the legal truth also just as you did with George Floyd. Thanks from U.K another unbelievable African American murder finding justice I'm just so sad that Ahmaud had to die in the first place..
This is a miscarriage of justice. Ahmaud was a thief and this case is about self defence.
@@John-kv7jo he was not a thief. Even if he stole something. They were still in the wrong
@@mssha1980 How can they be in the wrong for detaining a thief. Ahmaud was dubbed The Jogger because he would enter into stores and run out with stolen goods.
@@mssha1980 The defense also wanted to introduce Arbery’s criminal record. In 2013, he brought a handgun to school and ran away from police who tried to arrest him. There is a video record of a 2017 arrest for trying to shoplift a television. In the two years before his death, he became known to convenience-store owners as “The Jogger,” who would stop outside, do stretching exercises, then come into the store, steal merchandize, and run away.
@@mssha1980 In an independent analysis of the case, lawyer Andrew Branca argues that the two sentences anticipate two different scenarios. The first sentence is about minor offenses, such as shoplifting; citizens may not step in unless the crime was “committed in their presence or immediate knowledge.” In the case of a felony, a citizen can act on “reasonable and probable grounds.” Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski tried to combine the two sentences, insisting that the crime for which citizens could make an arrest had to be a felony committed “in their presence.” She noted that trespassing - the only crime of which Arbery is known to the defendants to have been committed - did not justify citizen’s arrest, claiming that detention was lawf
As a middle eastern who lives in midwest there isn't a day goes by I dont hear a racist remark. I've involved the police on one of the occasions and police lectured me on freedom of speech instead of comforting or saying something to the person who labeled me terrorist.
I'm sorry that there are people in my country who continue to say those things to you. Do you know where that comes from? I hope you can understand that the majority of people who say those things are very ignorant and likely have some serious pain and anger tied back to the events of 9/11/2001.
@@golfer435 It's a willful ignorance. It's a choice to be that stupid, there should be no more tolerance of it.
@@tony6795 I never said tolerance. I said empathy and understanding as that is the beginning of the path to healing and change
@@golfer435 I agree empathy and understanding are needed, but so is change.
@@tony6795 the only way we get there is empathy and understanding.
Love the way you explain the trials. Feels extremely unbiased and factual.
THE VERDICT is in and is accurate on its presentation and the result ! 🇺🇸💯💯💯
The jury did its work. The Judge has no choices.
They are LIFERS now.
Big win for crooked persecution. I hope they got a nice kickback out of it
Dont gloat. Bad outcomes for both parties. especially bad for taxpayers, the high cost of the state having to incarcerate these 3 men, now robs services away from the poor, childrens education and increased overall security in that area. We all suffer from ahmauds murder
@@pootthatbak2578 they did a horrible crime. There are thousands of innocent people in prison that we pay taxes for. They shouldn't be there. These 3 murderous men should.
@@a.lindsay They were trying to protect their neighborhood from burglaries. This was NOT a racially motivated apprehension or killing. Given the McMichaels, the same thing would've happened to a white dude with all the same incidents over months and same behaviors. Same thing with George Floyd.
@@bonsummers2657 Ahmaud Arbery was not a burglar!!!
they had absolutely nothing to go off of and instigated a crime. They shot a defenseless man over a feeling that they thought he was stealing although his hands were empty! They are at fault and they deserve what is to come.
“There are two races of men in this world, but only these two -- the "race" of the decent man and the "race" of the indecent man. Both are found everywhere; they penetrate into all groups of society. No group consists entirely of decent or indecent people.” - Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
We are all equal under the law to go about our day. No stranger has the right to approach us and ask us questions about anything or make demands of our time. It is called freedom in America. To encounter 3 people that believed otherwise would be terrifying. I am relieved to hear there is a Federal case pertaining to Ahmaud's civil rights.
I am so grateful that the justice system worked out in this case. Thank you 🤔❤️🇺🇸
From 5.30 thank u for pointing out all the valid points! And True facts! This young man should never had been flowed chased and gunned down! He was murdered!
threatening somebody with a gun is bad enough, it looked like a mugging
they didn't know he was the guy, they could have just talked to him first.
just like they talked to the homeless couple with guns drawn which idk how the hell they weren't arrested for that
@Goosecore
They didn't try to talk with him...
They cornered him and gave him commands.
@Goosecore omg. Here come the racists
@@beeragainsthumanity1420 that guy is a "all lives matter" moron. Don't even waste the breath. These men murdered Aubrey because he was black. We all know that and this dude trying to justify the crime probably wears a white hood
@Goosecore They tried and he kept jogging as he had every right to do. He even tried to leave the scene when they blocked him with a truck and flashed firearms, as he had every right to do. You are one just like them. Our society no longer wants your kind.
It's stunning that they first, assumed so much against him, then chased an unarmed man, and opened fire on him leading to his death.
So disgusting that they didn't see a human life, only color, then ignorantly made their unforgivable choices!
An incredibly well done video, Dr. Grande!
I remember my parents stopping to stroll through houses under construction when I was a little kid. My dad just wanted to look at their floor plans. It never crossed my mind that we could have been shot for that. Of course, we probably couldn't have. It was the 'sixties, and they were a white couple with a small child.
Yes in the 60s people were more tolerant of property invasion. How many black people do this and never get shot? Has this never happened to a white person?
We lived in an area with lots of new construction and would often explore new construction.
@Jessica Smith I'm very pale white, and I would never do something like this. But then, my father was a cop, and I pretty much knew not to do things like that. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You only go into houses if you are invited.
See the Feb. 11 incident at which 911 was called on Arbery, at night, at the property(purportedly). Burglaries had been happening. Travis's handgun was stolen from Travis's truck in January/new years. Arbery walked to the house, and ran fast out of the house after the neighbor across the street called out to him about with concern of his(Arbery's) activities there. The word had been shared around the neighborhood of Arbery's entry's into the property, including at night. And thus, on the final day, Arbery was disrespecting/ignoring the neighborhood watch call outs. They didn't want to harm or kill Arbery,…. all Arbery had to do was respect, cool the situation down,…. ask 'what's up',….. and the McM's would chilld down too. It's a matter of respect for reasonable neighborhood territorialism. This is not a neutered wimpy community. They're going to stand up to suspiciuos activity, suspicious behavior, and so they did. But it backfired in this case.
@@bonsummers2657 They were not sure that it was Arbery commiting those robberies.
I couldn’t wait to get your take on this, Dr G. I was so excited to see this! Love it.
These dudes though they were back in the 1960s, just having a gay ol' time running that poor young man down smfh 😡
R*tard take of the day thank you NeeNee
@@bramdoe3303 dude youre all over the place defending these guys. Careful, your white robe is starting to show
Except they wouldn't have said "poor young man". They were itching to kill him.
@@NeeNee_B. Now all 3 are going to have a REALLY gay ole time in a Georgia prison for the rest of their lives.
Is your pimp not there to slap you around
I know I'm going in a completely differenty case here that has already been tried, but I believe this is exactly what went down between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. Perhaps Zimmerman wasn't fueled by racism, but he had the entitled vigilante mentality. He got away because there was no video evidence and no other witnesses to the crime. So we only had the offender's words to go by.
What sort of idiotic lawyer would tell his client to take that video to the media. That's so unreal to me, along with the fact that the killer actually thought it was a good idea too. If Arbery had not been killed, I would think it hilarious...wow.
Greg mcmichael was so stupid & arrogant on the highest levels.
As a former cop he shoulda known not to tamper with that video evidence. And instead of remaining silent and hiring a lawyer, he sung like a bird. Such stupid arrogance. He of all people knew that anything u say can and will be used against u.
He's a bitter, stupid, stubborn arrogant fool as there ever was one, but because of those flaws, he has no clue that he's the one who got them all thrown in prison for life.
He's one hell of a miserable & foolish human being.
Just shows how that lawyer thinks when he was confident to believe people would understand an innocent man who did nothing wrong getting chased by two cars and two guys with guns and then killing him is okay.
Good analysis, overall becoming my go to channel for overviews of these kinds of situations
Thank you so much, Dr.Grande. There so few places to find such well researched and fair-minded analysis. Critical thinking is very much lacking these days so I pretty much ignore the noise created by TV and online sources. I trust you and a handful of others.
Brilliant, thoughtful analysis- racism? Absolutely. And it is Absolutely horrifying how close this case came to never being prosecuted! Thank you, Dr. Grande, once again!
Yes. Let’s talk about it. That was a shame what those men did. I wanna believe justice for all will one day be Justice for all
I love the felony murder rule. They’re going out with guns. The person who’s tangentially involved knows there’re guns, knows somebody can be killed.
@@britzkrieg2 He was right behind the truck where one of the McM's was standing in the bed with a gun. He should have turned around and left.
@@britzkrieg2 him not knowing anything and choosing to chase a man with a truck and running him into a ditch means he’s openly admitted to both felony assault with his vehicle and attempted false imprisonment AND he didn’t even have a clue why he was being chased. Since he committed felonies that resulted in death he is guilty of felony murder.
That felony rule was used against black people many times.
. Now the racists say it's a bad rule. Lol. Anyone with a lick of sense would be against a law like that but nice to see it used on the scum who enjoyed it
@@britzkrieg2 Roddy said that if he would have been able to hit Arbury with his truck hard enough to stop him, he may still be alive and maybe wouldn't have been shot. So, he must've known, otherwise why was it his goal to stop A.A. by hitting A.A. with his truck?
There are cases in which felony murder is actually murder, but that's insufficient to justify a general law. There are many cases in which someone commits a felony where no one could ever suggest they intended or at least accepted that someone would die. If they are exceptionally unlucky, a common criminal may just find themselves being tried as a murderer. That's why the felony murder rule is stupid.
plus that comment "trapped like a rat"" - I believe he said that because he was proud of himself, as if worthy to receive some sort of reward for backing him into a corner like that
Yes. That was disgusting.
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