Are We Clever Monkeys or Immortal Souls | Tim Freke | TEDxBerkeley
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T!m Freke is a pioneering English philosopher and the author of 35 books. Tim is also the founder of ‘Unividualism’, which combines evolutionary science and deep spirituality to offer a visionary new understanding of the nature of reality and the purpose of life. He is a passionate and playful communicator with a contagious enthusiasm for life, who has often been featured in the global media, such as the BBC and the History Channel. T!m Freke is a pioneering English philosopher and the author of 35 books. Tim is also the founder of ‘Unividualism’, which combines evolutionary science and deep spirituality to offer a visionary new understanding of the nature of reality and the purpose of life. He is a passionate and playful communicator with a contagious enthusiasm for life, who has often been featured in the global media, such as the BBC and the History Channel. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
What a time to find this, I lost my mother recently, my dad died last year and now I am feeling my mortality. I am asking myself questions I had always ignored. Mr. Freke you make a lot of sense.
really liked this..
Just wanted to say hi Candice. Wishing you the very best.
I suggest listening to John Vervaeke's "Awakening from the meeting crisis" and watching Zak Stein talk about the three stages of trauma.
Keep your head up!!
I’ve begun reading his books. They resonate deeply within my psyche! I’m hungry for more of this teaching. What an engaging soul he is, on paper and “live action” on CZcams! Loved this so much! 🦋
I avoided clicking on this, I have seen it each day I come to Ted talks for weeks, today I watched it. For some reason it gave me hope, thank you.
I went through the same thing Liz.
Lizbeeth - one year on - I hope you're doing ok - and still have hope.
How have I not seen this talk? Just wow! This will be considered one of the greatest speeches in human history. Tim, I love you and thank you.
A great talk...well presented and logically sound. TED have flagged this because it falls outside of material reductionism but that's a philosophical position and Tim is presenting another one which is more coherent. Keep up the great work, Tim.
HA! I read this and liked it before I knew it was you Luigi!
haha, good reply to ted organizers...
A great talk...well presented and logically sound. TED have flagged this because it falls outside of material reductionism but that's a philosophical position and Tim is presenting another one which is more coherent. Keep up the great work, Tim.
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1:52 1 the evolution of the soul
5:51 2 the evolution of meaning
11:15 3 the evolution of immortality
15:15 a future worldview
Thank you Tim - you are one of the clearest , inspiring and comprehensive spiritual teachers that helps me every day of my life . Your views on integrating science and spirituality are refreshing. I feel at last I can have an integrated narrative that has intellectual credence as well as the mystery. Your way of expressing that much of life is embracing two apparent opposing aspects at the same time is such a relief. I keep re-reading your latest book, Soul Story, It is so clearly and beautifully written and set out. Your contributions to helping many see life in a positive and deeper loving way are much appreciated. Much love
So pleased Val ♥️
agreed
If one pursues science to its final stage, the Unity and aliveness of life will become evident, nay, obvious. Science in this sense is not a social paradigm, rather it is only known to those who fully investigate the spiritual dimensions which include all other dimensions. Take the 5 sheaths in yoga. Anna maya is physical, made up of food. Manomaya is mental activity, thots which in the physical realm. Then follows the prana maya or energy body. Then we have the Vijnana maya sheath, which is refined subtle intellect leading to transcendence into non-physical "dimensions.' The Bliss body or Ananda maya is definitely non-physical. The bliss body is the substratum of the previous sheaths. It supports the denser dimensions of expression. This principle can be demonstrated through spiritual healing, which emphasizes the underlying imbalances known in Ayurveda as the doshas...Vata, Pitta and Kapha doshas. By balancing them and pacifying them, the body heals itself.
you nailed it Val, it was all that and more. Now in these crazy times, watching it was the 1st bit of mental peace I have had in weeks.
I really enjoyed this talk, had not thought of, well existence in this way. Great talk.
Brilliant... simply brilliant . this video is the best ted talk I have ever heard or watched. I think this could be the key to a better life for both communities and individuals.
Tim, I have read some of your books and want to say that your ideas are at the forefront of human intellectual and spiritual evolution.
Life is profoundly mysterious, I like this.
so do I!
me too.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
haha love this
well, it is true.
I had never even have thought of this way, always felt science and spiritual beliefs could never work together.
Yes there is something comforting about his ideas, thanks Andre.
@@moyaresgard I thought the same Mary
@@moyaresgard 🥰
Science is Spiritual, both take belief and faith.
The suggestion that afterlife is like a cloud (computer) art imitates life or what?
Thank you for sharing those beautiful thoughts! What an amazing speech!
I love this guy ! He's brilliant and he has humor, and I can follow his thoughts easily "although" he is a philosopher. Thank you offering us Tim Freke.
I just found him, he is really cool and a bit cooky too
hahaha the crazy philosopher
I had never heard of him, and he is like Ram Das with a British Accent
yes he is good, some TED speakers are so arrogant, but he seems decent at heart
That was amazing
Lovely, powerful and MEANINGFUL talk, Tim. Thanks
Mike
As always just wonderful to listen to. Thank you Tim! And when it comes to this talk being flagged by TEDx "for falling outside of their curatorial guidelines, and because this talk only represents the speaker’s personal understanding and theories", is this not what TEDxtalk is all about - to have us listen to as many different speakers and thinkers possible - expressing their own ideas and views of the world?
Amit Ray said;
"Looking at beauty in the world, is the first step of purifying the mind.”
how true!
hard to see beauty these days.
Amit Ray said;
"Looking at beauty in the world, is the first step of purifying the mind.”
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@@miguelcortes9345 yes I said that?
A very well presented talk by a very intelligent and sensitive man. There is something to all this.
I really believe he is right, thank you Georgia.
What a great speaker, with what could be a hard subject to explain. But so well delivered, and yes made sense out of something I have always found hard to look deeply into.
We experience our lives as stories, how true is that. really really good talk, I am happy this was referred to me.
me too, he is a lovely speaker
yes agree
@@janetsplace1953 he is and here I am watching again.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I really like this, it made the idea of something more easier to understand and process.
Thank you Tim. I Look forward to hearing you at Mindful Mann!
Amazing Tim I trust the divine timing to be listen to your video, keep sharing and shining this world so needs you
Wish we had more talks like this..
Great job Tim!
So inspiring! loved this talk!
Not seen this before. Nice one Tim. x
Great 'talk'. Really well structured and delivered with wit and passion and some science.
I loved it..
“You are never alone. You are eternally connected with everyone.”
― Amit Ray
Yes so true, even now we cant connect.
Very thought provoking!
This was a very inspiring speech, thank you.
Good TED, this is just amazing stuff.
This was really interesting and yes enlightening, I enjoyed this.
This rings true. It's brilliant.
Hey Tim, your one of my favorite spiritual teachers. Thank you.
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Wonderful talk, great ideas and research and well presented. I have seen many talks which are very good discussions flagged these days. Difficult to determine why?
Very interesting talk thank you
"Matter is Information" Whoa, I can kind of grasp that...
I loved this talk!!!
these are the words of a brilliant man.
Great talk, Tim! You are suggesting that this soul evolution is the most emergent reality that we are perceiving subjectively. You said NDEs and other life experiences give us the feeling or indeed experience of this new dimension or realm. Would you also suggest that the subjective reality and the objective reality (non-dual formless oneness) could merge together (in our experience) and that, as part of this new evolution, we could experience life in potentially limitless dimensions? Thanks! :)
Wonderful talk opening a space for exploration. Love the reference to ancient Greek philosophy in this context… Psyche was the goddess of the soul and the wife of Eros god of love, their ‘eventual’ union considered divine. The inference being the further evolution of love from psyche.
Beautiful myth Kayla
One freak to another freke... awesome... many worlds, many dimensions... einstein was all over it, but world events upset him at an age that he did not want to know anymore... its interesting how some say he got physics wrong.. no he didnt... that was a 100 years ago and he only had books and a blackboard and chalk... naysayering is endemic to the spirit of competition.. albert did not have to compete.. human nature became the human race... anyhow, great talk dude, i liked it a lot.. (enough to comment). Cheers
He has such a nice voice. Also, amazing talk.
yes he really does
So Refreshing! 👏👏👏👏👏
A treasure of wisdom... to say the very, very least.
He is really good, to take ma topic like this and make it fun as well as interesting - amazing.
Tim has so clearly articulated some of my most deeply held, nearly life-long beliefs about the relationship between the physical and spiritual aspects of the conscious experience that is my life. I have always seen them as inseparable. With respect, valued TED curators, I am truly dismayed that you have chosen to flag this talk. I am unable to find any conflict with your published guidelines. Further, I have watched countless TED Talks in which the speakers, in an effort to encourage expanded thinking, have offered numerous personal opinions and theories. Finally, as a scientist, I have yet to find any scientific research effort that wasn't initiated or sustained by someone's personal understanding and theories.
Really appreciate your message Edward.
@@TimFreke1 My pleasure, Tim. I am grateful to you.
This is such an illuminating talk and debate, what is next? For that matter what is now?
Very interesting one so many aspects, I see that he is an author, I will buy one his books.
did you? was it good?
Very wise words and conclusions about something that makes no sense normally.
Brilliant Talk!!
This also fits in with my life long theory, that everything we create is a 'realisation' of what is to come, and that we can reverse engineer what we have invented to discover this realisation.
really good talk, very deep and funny too
I am not much into spiritual stuff, but this I understand.
no idea why some people don't understand this, well presented talk by an intelligent man. And no I am not a monkey
Thanks Ruben
@@TimFreke1 well presented Tim very well presented so you are welcome
i think this is the direction human understanding is headed
Added to my favourites!
great synthesis of ideas
"Know Thyself" . If you wanted to know the science and spirituality.
Really interesting, I need to digest this for a bit.
If I had a professor like this I might have learned something in Philosophy.
Me too, he is as entertaining as he is smart.
@@gracemfindlay2831 true.
@@brandawoodword yes it is
3rd time I have watched this, and I get something new each time. Went to his site and he has a unique group you can join, I think I just might
yes ive watched twice now
Oh I do like this too
And, the mysteries get bigger, yet smaller when we surrender.
Thats a wonderful quote, who said it?
@@sagarmore3893 lol I did
@@nigeltomlin :/
Fun talk, but good talk, and like a good meal leaves you with a taste for more, well done
Thank you Glenn
“As we watched, I kept wondering why we’re spending so much time focusing on a great tribulation we won’t even be here for.”
― J.A. Hardgrave
haha, that is freaking good man
I saw Tim's name on a Ted Talk being promoted in our group, and I remember years ago reading "The Jesus Mysteries" great book. Now Great talk, wonder where he has been between.
A lot to take in, but very cool talk, Im looking up that Unividualism
Just heard his earth ancients podcast with cliff dunning! Get this guy on rogan asap!!!
Great Talk, and yeah WTF is there a disclaimer on this!
And why wont TED answers my emails or TEDX Berkeley organisers' emails asking how this can be appealed!
kinda makes me feel overwhelmed and hopeful at the same time
😀
@@TimFreke1 it is a lot to take in, I was watching The Crown last night, an episode where Philip is moved by a moon mission and confronted by faith, this is where I feel I am as a person. Looking at lost faith and why.
@@robertahvieira Funnily enough my wife and I were watching that also. My hope with my work (philosophical and experiential) is to give a rational basis for genuine 'faith' in the meaning of existence.
@@TimFreke1 thanks, I will keep watching then
Props to Tim Freke - very clear talk, and i couldn't do what he does.
I do have thoughts about these ideas though: given that everything that has evolved so far has been on a physical substrate then it's not easy to see how the jump to "soul" with no physicality might occur. Isn't this the hard problem of consciousness?
Narrativity as an external driver of meaning sounds very much like another try at God.
And an eternal afterlife as a soul alongside Narrativity sounds like another try at Heaven per abrahamic religion.
It would be valuable to consider who it is experiencing all this matter and psyche/soul, and what experience might be like without a body - no sensation, no sight or sound, no dopamine, adrenaline, excitement, joy, disappointment. Some kind of pure mental world?
For me, I'm coming round to an Idealism where consciousness is primary. This accords well with the experiences of mystics all round the world and from all traditions. The religious stories of our childhoods are fine teachings, but point to none of the deep insights and freedoms that the many consciousness-first methods provide.
Oh and NDEs. NDEs provide brilliant stories, change people's lives, but surely prove nothing about what happens when we die. The clue is in the name: NEAR- death. Not actually dead. Even if there's no brain activity for a while, there's brain activity before and after, and no way to tell when the experiences occurred.
Why do we persist with believing NDEs show what happens after death?
And of course the Cloud analogy - the Cloud isn't some non-physical data store, it's just somebody else's computer in a big datacentre somewhere. You might ask who's managing that for us?
@@RichLee_laughingblade I agree. But NDEs are worth examining never the less. I'm not in the business of proving life after death. I'm interested in presenting a rational spirituality that accounts for it without being woo-woo and if you look a little deeper into my work, I think I have at least succeeded in this.
@@RichLee_laughingblade Yes. Like most analogies it fails eventually. It is shorthand. I think the point you are missing in evaluating my ideas Rich is that I am not treating existence as fundamentally ''matter"... but following trends in physics rather as 'information'. The Materialist perspective was discredited over 100 years ago.
@@TimFreke1 thanks for replying Tim. I've only watched the talk once, but did you not suggest that NDEs support the idea of a possible psyche-only existence?
Of course with a brief talk it's almost impossible to do more than get the basic ideas across, and the audience was very receptive to that. I'd be interested to explore your work that does take a more rigorous approach: where would you suggest I start?
Great talk Tim!
And, anyone who likes these ideas might enjoy the works of Ken Wilber.
Just saying...
We need faith these days more than ever.
yes we do.
But a faith like this..
Great job.
Hello
Absolutely
"Modern evolution cosmology" this is brilliant.
Yeah I liked that too.
Its possible I guess
adored that line.
@@shannonhensley I think it is...
@@lesliecrossI 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Good talk, though I am confused and don't know what question to ask
the home of consciousness is the astral body. We become too attached to the physical body. We are always in our astral body. We become more consciously aware of this body in a dream state and on the astral planes. Always do good it will benefit you in the long run
Not sure about it all, but it is interesting.
I like Tim, who is clearly a highly intelligent and perceptive man. However my direct perception suggests that he is wrong about "biological life evolving into soul" and so on ...
The Reality is that Consciousness - which is actually Divine Consciousness - exists prior to the birth of the human body-mind-personality. And continues to exist, unchanged, after the death of both body, mind and personality.
That evolution happens at the level of biology, is probably true. It is also clear that we evolve mentally through our accumulated wisdom, both individually and collectively.
But there is zero evolution at the level of Consciousness. For there to be evolution, which is change, there needs to be time through which that change happens. But in the realm of Divine Consciousness there is no time. This is the Reality of what some refer to as "the Now".
All that I have written above is not theory or philosophy, or something I read about or heard on CZcams - but rather comes from direct perception of the Divine timeless realm itself. From that perspective all is simply obvious.
Tim, you know who I am and where I am. If you want to get together to explore this I would be delighted to pop down to Glastonbury. Blessings, Leo
I agree, Leo. Tim, by suggesting that consciousness (or the psyche) evolved from matter is postulating the old materialist view. From a Buddhist point of view (I am a Tibetan Buddhist monk), and also from the contemporary view of quantum physicists, the duality between matter and consciousness, the 'real' and the 'imaginary' is false. What you call the "Divine Consciousness" is known as the Dharmakaya in Buddhism. 'It' is universal, timeless, without birth (origin) or death (cessation) and empty of any other qualities or characteristics, yet manifests as the phenomenal world that we experience through the senses. Is 'our' world more 'real' than that experienced by a mosquito, for example?
@@MikeGsaxman Very eloquently and succinctly put. You Buddhist description is perfectly aligned with my perception of Reality. Why Tim has taken this strange path of what appears to be over-thinking is beyond my understanding. He has not responded to my offer to meet in person and discuss, so all that is left is to relax into mystery ... and loving-kindness.
So you are all arguing perceptions and alignment with a sort of academic overview of what YOU think it should be? Seriously?
@@MikeGsaxman Only just seen your comment my friend. I know your perspective well having written upwards of 30 books on it. I now think it is wrong. I am writing a book called WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS? (And why I was wrong about it.) I'll probably give away as audio on CZcams in 2020 so look out for that if you are interested. I am not suggesting Materialism at all. There is an alternative to both the traditional spiritual perspective you are articulating and Materialism, which can bring them both together in a new way.
I agree, Leo.
My experience had my Self outside the subjective flow of time, wherein I was aware that I had always existed.
how very interesting that TED would want to ban this great talk!! I wonder why....
But they didn't. It's up, right here, on the TEDx Talks CZcams channel.
Nathaniel Throop it’s still flagged by TED though
I have seen a few TEDx's that should be banned but this one is very good, no idea why they would put that warning on this
wasnt banned it's here
Great talk. in Brazil, at least 3.8 million people believe that we are immortal souls. The Spirits' book explains why.
This was really insightful and interesting even if it is woo woo stuff.
its not really woo woo
@@karlaknight well it is kind of to me
lol "WOO WOO" stuff?
I am not sure? Not saying no just not sure.
Yes, confusing but enlightening
A spiritual conundrum, and perhaps a scientific too. We want to believe they do work as one, yet do they?
WOW Alan Watts has been reincarnated !
I love it .
Now that is a great compliment! 🙏
I recommend removing the flag; not sure how this falls out of TEDx's curatorial guidelines. I had a read, and there's nothing in there to suggest a speaker can't represent their own personal understanding and theories. Plus, by barely a minute in, this speaker has already referred to other scientific and spiritual understanding. The remainder of the talk gives *suggestions* for how we can interpret life, and reconcile science and spirituality - it doesn't strike me as particularly evangelical towards any particular viewpoint. I find many of these suggestions quite interesting and insightful, along with the speaker's account of the "evolution of the soul". So I feel the flag should be removed.
I particularly like the idea of the "soul dimension" compared to cloud data storage. Perhaps this is not a separate realm, as the speaker recounts spirituality to have put forward, but rather the imaginary space of people's memories, learned behaviours, even genetic traits affecting behaviours? So when someone dies, their soul is "immortalised" by the impact of their life on those they encountered? That would be more in keeping with the metaphor, since the data cloud is itself actually a larger bank of physical drives sharing information through digital signals - and perhaps even more in keeping with the idea of this "soul dimension" evolving out of the material...?
you mean something likethe Akashic records Chip?
Not sure,@@timbavera - aren't they more like the tapestries of Greek mythology, suggesting that the material realm follows a pattern prescribed by the spiritual? I see Tim's suggestions here as more in line with Yuval Harari's: as the material/physical evolved, so did the spiritual.
knees weak, arms are heavy.
how do we get there, to this place, where all is?
you are looking from that place... what stands in the way is the idea that you are a person looking at a world that is seperate from yourself.
The archaic revival is near 😌
So this falls outside of TED's guidelines of understanding? So would any philosophy inside them? Or they just don't want to believe anything unless it's in a science notebook?
Crazy isn't it! And what is very disappointing is that I've tried to contact TED on numerous occasions to discuss this and never had a reply.
Regardless, it has been made available and I'm grateful.
Joe Rogan brought me here
This crazy time, with a deadly virus, I hope you are right, that there is more than this?
its just a flu, more people dying from cancer and car accidents than this. Stop being silly.
Was he late for his talk?
I am so confused, I have watched this 3 times but I just don't get it all. I like the stuff about we are information but I am having such a hard time understanding it all
haha me too I am going to need to watch this again and take notes
@@alexleister I did the 4th time and I get something new each time
@@alexleister Hi Alex - see my notes about other sources of info on this philosophy in my message to Pierre. Big love Tim
@@TimFreke1 Thanks Tim!
What would be the point in continuing in an imaginary world?
I think you have missed my point. You are still seeing 'imaginary' as unreal. I am suggesting it is the most emergent level of reality.
I enjoyed the talk. So are we living in one big imagination of God?
That's the traditional way of saying it that I use myself in my older books. I'd suggest we can express the same insight more clearly now while keeping the essential message.
Thanks for your reply and great talk.
From what I can understand (I may be wrong) nonduality suggests that consciousness was here first and everything stems from that, whereas you’re saying that matter came first and consciousness or the soul realm evolved from it as a different reality that is a more direct reality?
@@Dhal-SimMusic I am saying something different again actually. I suggest the ground of being is formless, non-dual potentiality that is realising itself in ever more emergent ways. Every individual 'thing', whether an atom or an animal, is subjectively relating to the objective whole. So evolution happens simultaneously subjectively and objectively. Subjective evolution sees the emergence of electro-chemical subjectivity - then sensory subjectivity and conscious subjectivity - and then the realm of the imagination which is a non material realm of emergence.
Thanks for your time. I’m with you.
Mmmm.... Linear time..... Big Bang Theory...... I don't think so...... But still, an interesting talk.
I think perhaps I am a Monkey, but not so clever.
Yes Turk, I agree with you, you are correct on both parts haha.
you guys are hilarious
haha me too
haha me also
@@gracefairbank cool
WHAT! falls outside of TEDs guidelines? WHY? This is Philosophy?