Harley-Davidson CVO Engines Lie to Us
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- čas přidán 30. 11. 2023
- Harley-Davidson CVO Engines referred to as Screamin Eagle 103, Screamin Eagle 110 and later the Milwaukee 8 Screamin Eagle engines are not what they seem. Screamin Eagle when it comes to an engine gives you thoughts of the Screamin Eagle 120R which is loaded with all the Screamin Eagle goodies. The CVO engines do have some unique parts but they are not the caliber of engine you get with a Screamin Eagle crate engine. There is no billet Screamin Eagle crank, heavy duty bearings, billed cam plate or super ported and polished heads. You still have some special itesm but it's not to the level of what the engine leads you to believe is in inside.
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Should Harley-Davidson put the all the Screamin Eagle parts in the CVO engine and not just some mild heads and cams?
Absolutely...
It'd be great to have a full SE motor but as they're a business the total cost of such a motor might be even higher by the time it gets to the buyer?
You pay 10k over a special, the engine should be the screaming eagle parts top to bottom. Yes, the paint might be an extra 500-1000 at most. Where is the rest of that money going? Remort alarm with self locking saddle bags? That at the most would cost the factory 100 dollars.
CVO's are a status symbol. Harley knows the cats that buy them can also afford to modify them. After all it is about staying in your pocket until it's empty.
1104 hopper😂
I bought the 2003 CVO Road King (you pictured it) 5 years ago. I bought it for $8,000 used and it had 7,900 miles on it. The only thing it needed was tires and I had the local Honda Shop put both tires on the rims (I took the rims to them with the tires on it) for $200 (mounted and balanced). Harley wanted $500 for the same thing so my money went to the local Honda shop who did it gladly. I thought the CVO had the upgraded cam chain tensioners, but as you pointed out to me 2 years ago (via the comments) it did not. So, I took it to the local HD dealership, in 2003, and they would not work on it. They said it was too old for them (it now has 15,000 miles on it). So, the local aftermarket shop will get my business, in the spring of 2024. So much for HD and their support.
A lot of Harley dealerships won't work on bikes older than 10 years of age which is wild lol
I bought my 03 Heritage Softail Classic from my local dealer,9 grand I paid,I took it back for some work and they wouldn’t touch it either because of the age,service manager told me 06 and older they won’t touch because of trying to get parts for them are harder to obtain and costly,I told her if I would’ve known,I wouldn’t have bought that “old” of a bike,scam game,if I can’t fix what’s wrong with it,(I’ve become quite the bike mechanic)I take it to a local mechanic who can fix what I can’t,fed up with these dealerships
I had a Honda shop in North Carolina put a tire on a fatboy and they put a gouge in my solid rim about 4 inches long !
@@rickrice7592 OK, you can move to Northern CA and they will not do that, but then you have to live in "The Hotel California" where you can never leave!!! ha,ha..
@@ababbit7461I wouldn’t live in that liberal shithole if you paid me ! I did ride a Honda though , when I was a boy !
I almost bought a CVO recently. I decided to sleep on it and finalize it in the morning. The thing that stopped me was the custom paint. Accidents happen. Sometimes you drop your bike. Sometimes your son smacks it with the lawn mower. And sometimes your wife hooks the bumper of her car on the foot peg and drags it out of the garage. 😂😂 It's part of life. But if I messed the paint job up on the CVO? It might cost a fortune to fix it. Well, with that worry, I just don't think I could enjoy it as much.
No way it’s a marketing scam
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Like you pointed out, for the extra cash people spend on the CVO models, anyone who knows just a little bit about torque+ hp and how to produce it, can build a base model that'll eat a CVO's lunch on the street, track, etc...for the price of a CVO I would have to be buying 4 of bikes...great advice on saving the stock parts if ever selling the CVO, as always, a great, honest, and straight forward video bro...👍
Thank you! Missing parts will devalue a CVO so fast it's ridiculous, I see them go for pennies compared to what they could sell for missing the color matched trunk, fairing, seat, exhaust etc.
@@GixxerFoo I had the choice of buying a CVO stock or a street glide special with a stage 4 kit and touring pack for 5k less.
@@jamessmoth8683 should we assume you went the Stage 4 SGS? Great Decision bro... Imo if you're not at the drag strip anything above 125hp-150hp is just bragging rights, cause you can't throw a SG or RG into curves but so fast anyway. Ride Safe Friend👍
@@GawgaCracka no you can't throw a SG or a RG into a corner like a sport bike, my floorboard mounts limit me. I do have a few scraps on my saddle bags because ther are the FLHXS extended bags. My mufflers have flat spots, lol
no, he didn't say that, you said that.....he said, that CVOs come so loaded up that you couldn't buy a basic bike and load it up for the same price....with time and money, every bike can be made better than every bike
Not once. Not never. CVO’s are for folks who want everyone to know how much money they have, not how much they ride.
Most of them are bank owned for 7-8 years…
CVO is for low information new riders .... a "suckers" bike ....
We send out our paint at my dealership and this guy can match any paint job 100% there isnt one i havent seen him match. And honestly I think he does a little better job than factory.
I personally don't believe a CVO is worth the extra money. I've redone used Harleys that I think perform and look a lot better for far less money. But that's just my opinion. Great video.
I agree.Is it even profitable for Harley to continue the cvo line?Why pay more than twice the price of a standard model for one that has a bigger motor and more bling.I think Harley should give this serious consideration if the want to stay solvent in a difficult market.
A friend has a 2013 CVO breakout it has the 110 but the chrome and paint is what sets it apart from stock Harley's, I think it's the best finish they've ever done.
Dude I had that cvo road king with the 103, we tore it down to improve it and it has 93cc heads and the guy that did the work said the porting was good on them. He did do a 5 angle valve seat cut and titanium springs. They also installed a screamin eagle cam plate and pump, andrews cams, hpi throttle body, bigger injectors, eccel wires, kb forged pistons, 10 over bore, decked gasket surfaces, the crank had a 1 thou runout so we didn't split the cases, but he did say that motor for that particular bbike had a timkin bearing. I put a bassani stainless 2 into 1 on it with a sns stealth air filter. Put a new fuel pump and did some wiring issues it had. It made 110hp and 120tq, but the seat of the pants feeling was pretty damn incredible...
Now my buddy just got a street glide with the 120r motor in it and my custom screamin eagle 103 smoked it every time!
I rode the bike with the 120r and I wasn't impressed at all, and it has exhaust and an air filter on it too. I actually had that same gold road king you shown in the video, that's the bike that we did the custom 103. My recent bike is an 04 road king that had a 95" kit on it. I plan on rebuilding it in the future with a sns stroker crank and a 106 bore...
I bought a used 2016 cvo breakout prostreet. 4500 kms not mile on it.
I rode it for 360 kms. So 223 mile. The rear cylinder sleeve moved down filled engine with bits of metal and got caught up in front lifter block where the case was severly damaged. I was on highway.
If you consider mikeage which was documented it grenaded at 2900 miles.
8500 for motor not including install and tuning.
man sorry to hear that . .
I knew all this stuff, but Ive bought 2 of them anyways, a 2010 softail , with 50 k miles and a 2017 pro street breakout with 3500 miles and I love both of em to bits
When I was working with my local Harley dealer to find a used Road King the first one they showed me was a 110 CVO. I forget the year and milage It was just under 20K. I didn't understand the whole CVO concept at the time. But I knew from your channel that a 103 was the way to go. So the second Road King they showed me was a 2015 Mysterious Red 103 with under 5K miles and a Stage 1 Screaming eagle one it. It was 4K ish less then the CVO. So what looks and sounds like a "CVO" is my garage for less money. I am not very Harley mechanical but I feel smarter every time I watch your content. Thank you.
Upgraded from our 05 roadking to 2012 CVO Electraglide last summer, it has V&H exhaust, otherwise stock. It's a darn great bike, really a monster too for its weight and size.
I feel like the CVO's are way overpriced and I'm happy with customizing my bike myself. And that way I know exactly what I've got, no surprises. Great video.
I’m more of a build my own bike from scratch & do my own thing. 💯👍👍
I have bought 4 screaming Eagle CVO’s in the last 15 years, they are definitely worth the extra $$. The paint, grips, gauges, pegs, Engine etc are well above the stock ! It’s like once you get used to the CVO look and performance, the stock look and feel doesn’t add up!
They are packed with the good stuff for the money they command!
Be sure to get the "you actually get what you're paying for" option, for a nominal fee.
Good video as usual.👍
I bought a 2018 CVO Roadglide in gunship gray a "CVO exclusive color."In 2022, HD used my "CVO exclusive color on 5 or 6 non CVO bikes. Safe to say that i will never ever buy another CVO again.
🛑🛑 Gix…..As a current CVO owner, and have owned others, the CVO bikes are worth it. 💯
The bike is alway s “unique” regardless how old they are, and are ALWAYS show stoppers at Bike Nights. 💯
I said it before…..you can take a plain Black Roadglide, and throw all the “goodies” that came on the CVO Roadglide for that year…but in the end, it’s still a Black Roadglide, and doesn’t change its value. 🤷♂️💯
The paint “difficulty thing” isn’t true.
Gun Slinger paints the CVO’s; with the Original VIN#; they will paint the same color on new Tins, Saddlebags and Tour Packs. 💯
All you have to do is call them. 👍
Trade in Values are really nice when trading a CVO. They bring money back to you.
All I can say….If you go CVO, you’ll NEVER go back!!💯
Glad I just had my 2010 TC upgraded to SS cams and oil pump. So far, so good.
I think that not using the good lower end bearings on both the crank and cams of the twin cam engines was a big disservice to the Harley-Davidson brand. This issue affected the quality and the dependability of this piece. I would hate to run the numbers on this issue because the loss of profit would be staggering !!!
I had the privilege of owning a 2013 cvo road glide custom with a 110"and as far as the motor I enjoy my rebuilt 88" into a s&s 106" stroker all day every day
There is a $10,310 difference in the regular two tone limited and CVO limited. There is over $15,000 in catalog parts, plus the paint, badges, locks and software that are CVO specific. If you purchased a regular limited ond spent $10,000 in aftermarket parts a person couldn't get a loan to buy it because the extra parts do not carry a value with the bank. In general you won't get a return on any aftermarket parts. If your goal is to make yourself a motorcycle, you have the cash (emphasis on having the cash) and plan to keep it, you're better off building one. Especially if you can find a low mile used black RDRS bike. You won't have electric bag locks, but besides that you can make it better than a CVO, it just won't be cheaper, well unless you do all the work.
I had to get a new front fender for my 2011 CVO 2 years ago. Got it through Harley Davidson and I did pay dearly.
I have a 107 limited with stock cam, but the cam plate, oil pump, bearings, tappets,tappet guides ,lifters are now all S&S , to the eyes it's factory in every way, built for reliability, and what they should be in the first place,in all models , from factory
Yes they should, At least starting with the 110, And finding a used CVO with low mileage is do-able They're out there, In 2016 I came across a 2012 CVO SG (110) Bout 9K on it. the cool thing about it was on consignment at a HD dealership The owner just wanted to get rid of it. the only aftermarket stuff was a V&H power duels and CFR slipons Later I went with a stage II A complete fueling came chest w/ a 574 reaper cam plus i up-graded stock Air filter with a Hi-flow K&N, and Dynode with a power commander V so I gained about 30+ HP and approx 32FP torq over stock, all for about 28 hundred bucks, very happy with this. we can always spend more money if you have it but I think this S/2 is the best bang for the buck and BTW I had HD install their SG Hi capacity oil pan which added an extra Qt and a half of oil
The only CVO that held my attention was the 2009 Fat Bob. The paint options were very appealing to me. Never owned a CVO model.
2014 Road King CVO was my favorite, and I found one with 4k miles and in near mint condition just 3 weeks ago.
I will forever remember the two CVOs that got away. The price to mile ratio was on my side and only wish I had the room, but now regret those decisions.
Hell no there not worth it thats why I had my motor build by Zippers you get a total package Great show 😊
Thank you!! I got a video coming on what a new bike costs and what you can build one ten fold better for! You already know how to do it and get way more bike for your money!
Great point bro. Totally agree. But I'm also the guy because of cost never bought a new Harley. Riding a 2009 Cross Bones.
I agree 100% quit with their smoke & mirror by short changing their customer base ...it's not like they are giving them away for peanut in the first place .
I always thought of CVO bikes as a "preview" to what's coming next, as what's "special" on those bikes trickles down to the regular production bikes in the next year or two. However, for a premium, you can buy the hot stuff NOW
Not worth the extra expense, IMO. I put Andrews 57h cams in my 2015 RK and was able to keep up with my buddy's 2014 RK CVO. His bike was prettier, but I liked mine just fine. I was able to customize my bike (pipes, ventilator, handlebars, extra chrome, etc) for a lot less than the CVO price tag.
By HD ,after 30 years riding Harley’s I made a decision,no more no again,never again
Completely agree, they could do more with the engine and suspension on a CVO. I traded a brand new 2028 Street Glide for a brand new 2018 CVO Street Glide over double the cost and the stereo is junk. I should have just added some stuff the the standard and saved a bundle of cash. I had already added CFR pipes and a tuner. I did upgrade the exhaust on the CVO to V&H power duals and hi flow slip-ons. Gave the stock exhaust to a buddy, shouldn’t have done that 😮
Those 2028 models are impossible to find, no matter where you look. Before my Time Machine broke, I got a look at one. They use a variant of the Tesla motor, 680 hp and 515 ft-lbs of torque.
Okay I'm just concentrating on on the one part the cam plate I can't believe the money that people pay for some of these bikes and they still have cast cam plates on them just blows my mind!! Thanks for the info
I had a 2010 Softail CVO with a 110ci and it didn't have Screamin' Eagle on the engine and nobody ever told me it was a Screamin' Eagle engine.
Sure is nice of Harley to let CVO customers the opportunity to upgrade the dangly bits.
Never miss an opportunity.
Great video! I think they should keep the cvo the way it is and do a the st models with a screamin eagle package. Another limited run but hp based model? Call it an st screamin eagle or even do it on others models and have a screamin eagle line of hp bikes? And also some food for thought, do a video on police bokes? The value for what you get. Pretty sure the 114 has a bigger cam and you can get chrome with standard bags.
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Big thumbs up for the channel...
I have only worked on a few CVO bikes. There was not much stock left on them with relatively low mileage. Seems like HD should make every bike a special one. Especially for what they charge. I want one built initially with no hiccups or mods needed. That is why I ride Suzuki/Kawasaki/Honda!
I had a 2007 Road King CVO 110 bought it off my Boss was nice couldn't see buying it new for the price , for the money when you buy a CVO you should have all the good engine parts .
You need more light above you so the reflection in the glasses won’t be so bad
I think they’re doing just fine by the majority of their dealership customers. It’s kinda one of those things that if ya know, ya know. The rest of us get things done to the bike that Harley can’t provide anyways. It’ll always be a difference between built and bought.
Having looked at a couple of the 2023 CVO street glide and road glides I don't remember the screaming eagle badges on them...
They were on the 117 Road Glide Ultra but they didn't put it on the 121. Guarantee it's still the CVO head they just dropped the SE logo off there. Maybe they saw our videos lol. Doubt it though.
Had a 05 se Electra glide. I watched it just lose value sold it. Got a 96 eg standard that I love. 47 k now. Bought it with 37k. Love this bike.
For myself, if money was not a concern I would definitely choose a CVO over a standard. That being said, I have no intentions of offloading my '06 RG with a S&S T111 replacement.
Got a 2001 FLTRSE.I ride it like an everyday rider.Small dent in the tank,different fairing,and the rims are starting to rust.Guess I’ll have to keep it.
Not surprising HD cutting corners as usual !
I agree with everyone (I think) that beyond the paint, CVOs don’t offer much for the mucho dinero $.
I have a used. 2006 CVO ultra classic super nice
bike but it's to nice for me lol would rather have something different because of how nice it is
A few years back I bought a 2017 CVO Ultra that has the 114. It was basically 6 years old and only had 5049 miles on it. I don't plan on getting rid of it but I do think Harley should put the lower end parts in because of the price for these things. I paid 30K for it and it listed for 41K when new. With only 5K miles on it, it wasn't completely broke in yet. I did put a 30/30 cam in it and TAB 4.5's with the Zombie baffles and a bigger breather and it really came to life after that. Was it worth the 30K? I don't know but I like it and never see one like it, that was the main draw for me, being different.
Holding back on parts with the CVO is just another reason why Harley-Davidson should not be allowed to call themselves a premium motorcycle. They have the potential to be a premium motorcycle but that's not what Harley-Davidson sells you.
Don't like screaming eagle exhaust system, as much as higher performance brands like cobra, Vance and Hines , two brothers for softail and dyna, and Rinehart for baggers. That's how 99% of my builds are normally done. Of course I like the screaming eagle breather and the wheels that come on a few of the cvo like the duce are badass! As far as the paint goes I've never even tried to match up a factory cvo color ,normally my bikes are sold black of some sort. I'll do some simple pinstriping, but nothing major. I have a custom screaming eagle 110ci dyna,that I put a springer front-end on and Vivid black paint job on.
If I'm buying a CVO it's because they have amazing paint jobs. It's not because I believed that it had something it didnt. All the add ons are listed on their sale sheet. If it doesn't say anything about upgraded cam plates and whatnot then I'm not going to assume it does, especially because if a Harley comes with an option there is a 0% chance they won't list that upgrade.
Exactly!! There's a belief out there the engines are built to the Screamin Eagle crate engine specs, which they are basically upgraded stock top end with a regular production bottom end.
I had a cvo deluxe. It gave me worry & anxiety being concerned about scratching it & always keeping it waxed polished. Traded it for a blacked out denim Fatboy.
That's exactly how I would feel too!
NOT worth the upfront cost new. Used that's a million dollar question
Had no idea that harley doesn't paint the cvos.
The 131 does not come with the bullet cam plate. They have the same cast garbage that comes in all other motors. However, the 135 has the screaming eagle camplate. But the 131 and 135 have the same plastic junk anti rotation cuffs for the lifters.
The don't, I am in shock they used plastic on those lifter cuffs. I mean what did they think would happen there?!
I bought a 22 standard road glide. And they money I put into it was less then a cvo, but I think I made it better then a CVO.. But as far as Harley is concerned it will always be a standard.
The only 2 CVOs I’m interested in are the road glide 2012 and older or the new 2023/2024 cvo just because I’d the redesign. But knowing me, I’ll never buy a brand new bike again. It will be used here on out.
Stroker 103 2002 electric glide recommend cam for me 204 is adequate hydraulic chain tensioner . Thanks
I think they give you more power than the stock bike but you still getting that reliability versus a beefed up engine that you rebuild 30,000 miles later
Not sure why people just don’t go with Indian and get the performance right off the showroom floor for a lot less.
On a different note, have you ridden a "23 RG CVO? Underwhelming is the word I come up with
My divorce lawyer has a new CVO😅
Pretty sure mine does too... f'ing a holes.
I could never justify the expense of buying a CVO! They're $20k over stock. I would rather buy a used stock bike, put $10 to $15k in after market parts in it and get a much more potent machine out of it plus it'll be a total sleeper!
A 2022 CVO LIMITED IS $44,900, a 2022 ULTRA LIMITED Two tone in black with RDRS is $34,590, that's $10,300. The difference between a CVO and a plain limited is $15,700. I guess exaggerating the price difference helps you justify your inability to purchase one.
I will keep modifying my CVO’s! I don’t want same bike bunch other guys or gals got. I don’t even get just any old cvo color there is always that one UNICORN color that year that made the least of that looks a little extra 🔥. That’s one I’ll take do the way I want and be just fine with it and sure a lot of others would love to have and bought when let it go
A friend blew a bunch of coin to have a 131 in her bike. Not impressed….. and her 131 blew up after 2,500 miles. They warrantied the motor but it still barely pulls away from my stock 114
CVO's have cool paint, but for me thats about it. I like to make my bike my own.
Sad thing is, I could’ve bought a CVO and I quite honestly would’ve had to purchase every one of the upgrades I purchased for my non-CVO bike….. because the CVO bike comes with all the flash and glitter and frankly doesn’t come with anything practical….. like suspension, pure waste of money if you ask me.
i agree with you 100%
I bought an ‘07 ultra Classic in 2011, with 23,000 miles on the clock. It now has 96,000.
It’s been a great bike, but the oil pump failed a few years ago, and I got to rebuild it to my specs.
I was dismayed that the cam plate and oil pump were same as any other Ultra. I had an SE Billet cam plate and high flow oil pump installed, it solved the oil issues.
Also had the crank welded, balanced and pinned; to prevent another twisted crank issue.
It now has a S&S 552 Cams and Fueling HP Plus lifters. Nice and quiet, unlike the SE lifters. The top end is all upgraded SE.
I’d never pay retail for any bike. Buy one a few years old. It’s closer to their real value. Let someone else take the hit on depreciation.
The motor co. Has become an expert on screwing their customers anything 2007 & up your taking your chances !
? 2006 was an emissions nightmare. All the TC 88s had compensator and chain tensioner issues. 2007 and older had the small fuel tank, small frame and small rear tire. 2021 with RDRS and a 124" with a decent exhaust is in my opinion the best bike I've owned. 2003 electra glide ultra was by far my favorite paint job.
Yep
It all comes down to you get what you pay for myself I rather build my bike the buy new at least I know what's in and on my bike
The bottom end should at least be ready for upgrades. Would it really cut into the profit margin that much.
The Problem with the CVO is its not a doo deal. I still would change at a minimum the handlebars, lights, and exhaust. If you buy a non CVO bike you can make it your own and it will be better than a CVO for less. If you spring for a custom paint. You will have a one off bike.
CVO itself isn’t worth the money charged, New or old. 🏍💨🏍💨
Owner of a 2019 CVO, which happens to be my 2nd HD. I changed the bars 14" apes, dirty.She's a beauty, but not worth $$,
I don’t care for the CVOs. I like building my bike the way I want…
You can purchase cvo touch up paint. It costs an arm, leg and your firstborn.
No they are not worth the money and I agree they should come with their top of the line high proformance parts for the price tag they put on the CVO bikes.
I'll take a stock rocket 3 from truimph, you don't need to add anything its already fast.
I favor their CVO’s over their production models but Yes Sir, I think Harley Davidson should put all screaming eagle parts on all CVO engines for the prices they ask. One of the many reasons their company is dying.
Just got an ‘09cvo… orange/black RG with cropped pack. Two sets of legends clockworks windshield 110 stage 4/not HD dealership done. Crane 6.15 with a DND Oil cooler and a no loss AC. Hopefully it takes me into a 117/121 in a few years… then the question is do I take it to a 128 or Port polish manifold TB or both? I’ll buy the Richman’s toys
That's the way to do it! Nothing wrong with buying bikes that are basically new with little use!
Only for the paint,
I don't think the CVOs are worth the money or I would buy one. The paint is cool and if they had a year of paint that I really liked, I might seek one of those out and buy it like I did with my Tequila Sunrise. The slight performance increase and flashy paint are only part of the story though, there are many other nice little accessories CVOs have, like power locks on the bags, lighted switches, heated grips, speakers, and so on. I still don't think they're worth the money, but the engine and paint are only a tiny piece of the puzzle.
No not worth the extra money , that money can be used to build equipment upgrades
CVO bikes are worth buying used...Definitely not new...
Does the 110 have a SE compensator ?
Yes, all your big twins have a compensator from the factory. The Sportster has a drive sprocket which isn't a bad thing to switch over to on the big twins.
@@GixxerFoo Guy asked if it has a screamin eagle compensator.
Until HD starts building quility bikes you are better off skipping HD all together, they are way over priced for what you get.
When HD removed the better crank bearings that was their first mistake. Why not start with a bullet bottom end like a S&S crank that isn't pressed together ?
Blew up my 103, had Harley put in a SE110, I'm not impressed, kind of a dog considering the hype and price.
The 110 was not a good engine. I know several people that had one and 2 of them had what harley called the " light load rattle ".
as far as m8 same engine as the rest
What’s a 120r torque and hp out the box
120R with a 64mm throttle body, tuned with 2 into 1 exhaust they are about 130+ horsepower and torque is about 135-140.
All about the dollar
Do a video on the difference between 49 state bikes and 50 state bikes and the legalities that go with them for CA. It sucks! Lol
That's a great idea! Cause they actually charge you extra for California Emissions, you can take a Cali bike anywhere but bring one into Cali you'll have to have their emissions systems to register.
@GixxerFoo
Lol! There's alot more than just that! Ask me how I know
You would be surprised at how many California bikes are sold in other states. They're just not listed as California bikes but the Vin tells the story
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I wonder if they charge the extra emission fee for them when they're not even needed in other states
@@aaronzavala7464 I don't believe they do. There was an owner that could not flash his bike after installation of a stage 4 131 kit by the dealership in a state other than California. The flash withe the SE tuner wouldn't go because it had a California vin designation. No California emissions BS was listed of sales invoice.
Definitely not worth the money for what you get.
They are too over priced
I was thinking of putting new cams in my trike. i was told that my crank has too much run out for the gear drive cam set. I was wondering if you could recommend a crank that is better built than a stock cam. I realize that I make have to have the cases machined if I do that also. I've watched a few CZcams videos to know what I might be getting into. I just need some advice about a very good crank.
darkhorse or s and s