What's killing my African Cichlids? Update on my Two Tanks

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  • čas přidán 14. 12. 2023
  • In this video I give an update on my Lake Malawi and Lake Tanganyikan tanks. I also share with you what I believe is the cause for two of my lovely Lake Malawi cichlids passing away, and how I'm going to fix it!
    Timestamps:
    0:37 - Fluval FX6 competition
    1:11 - What's killing my Lake Malawi cichlids?
    2:24 - What a very sick aquarium fish looks like
    3:16 - Different types of medication
    4:06 - My fish that died - one of my favourites :(
    6:06 - Tanganyikan tank update
    6:58 - Breeding in the Tanganyikan tank
    9:03 - Treating a tank with praziquantel
    11:34 - Dosing and adding praziquantel into an aquarium
    14:19 - The next day
    15:49 - Upcoming merch!
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Komentáře • 119

  • @brianp6180
    @brianp6180 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Love the lake tanganyka tank! Looking good. You got me wanting to start another tank!

  • @kansasgilleo8963
    @kansasgilleo8963 Před 6 měsíci

    Cobgrats on 50k!!

  • @nix_cosplay
    @nix_cosplay Před 5 měsíci +2

    I think it's good to share when things go wrong and what to look for, even if it's sad. Less experienced people may not look at breathing pace and swollen gills.

  • @laurag1076
    @laurag1076 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Congratulations on 50k!
    🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
    😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

  • @adamgeiger4990
    @adamgeiger4990 Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Kaity, Beautiful tanks. Ive had africians all my life and Ive never seen such perfect lighting. What are they?

  • @JonVlogs123
    @JonVlogs123 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Hello Kaity, great update, the tanks look amazing. 😎👍

  • @bethanysummers3377
    @bethanysummers3377 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I have just started a peacock only tank after my turtle recently died😢. I was doing Rainbowfish with him but the turtle decided they were good snacks so i gave them to my husband for his tank only a few weeks ago. Thought i would give Africans a go for something different! I hope the meds work for your fish. Merry Christmas 🎄🎁

  • @pascoerusso8615
    @pascoerusso8615 Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Kaity , congrats on reaching 50k mark .. I remember joining your Chanel when you had only 1k .... So sad that you lost those 2 beautiful african cichlids ... also great video as always Thanks beautiful 😊🤗

  • @TheOriginalBrian
    @TheOriginalBrian Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Kaity. You might want to look into salt dips for flukes. I know we do fresh water dips for salt fish flukes. May be worth doing some research. If you can get them out of the tank may be a good idea to do to new fish you add to your tanks. Just a thought.

  • @stephenevans7884
    @stephenevans7884 Před 3 měsíci

    This is hella interesting

  • @davidglass914
    @davidglass914 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for the contents. My cichlids had died a few months ago. Now I'm starting back up with cichlids again. I have a 60 gallons (227 liters) and I am doing peacocks. Don't know if I will put in mbuna as well. But, I thank you for helping me to know what type of food to buy for them. Thank you again and hope your fishes get well soon. By the way, I wish I could enter in n the giveaway but I live in the united states.

  • @rodrigoss8061
    @rodrigoss8061 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Praziquantel (Prazipro is the best I've ever used) is recommended for treating the entire tank, but it needs 2/3 treatments to reduce the number of parasites and keep the tank healthy. When a fish is heavily infested, whether with dactylogyrus or gyrodactylus, the parasites cause serious lesions on the fish's skin and gills, some bacteria take advantage and the lesion becomes infected. There are some ways to "clean" the fish of parasites and bacterial infection - formalin bath, potassium permanganate bath (pp bath) or treatment with seachem cupramine. These baths kill almost all parasites and allow the fish to begin regenerating, but cannot be done in the main aquarium. For heavily breathing and affected fish, a bath in formalin, pp, is very effective, the fish seems to come back to life immediately. Then return the fish to the tank and continue treating with praziquantel

  • @alevnafiz1676
    @alevnafiz1676 Před 6 měsíci

    Aquarium salts eases the pressure on the gills and allows the fish to breath easier.

  • @user-qp9jq5vt2r
    @user-qp9jq5vt2r Před 6 měsíci +1

    I hope it worked your tanks and fish are awesome! Good luck!

  • @khoinguyen-yb3wr
    @khoinguyen-yb3wr Před 2 měsíci

    Hello
    Luv ur tanks
    Can you share what lights system that you’ve using?
    🙏

  • @laurag1076
    @laurag1076 Před 6 měsíci

    Oh kaity, sorry to hear u are having g losses an issue, that sucks...can be such a guessing game and so disheartening... xx u are a good fish mum ❤😊

  • @georgeskondras1513
    @georgeskondras1513 Před 6 měsíci

    The preferred treatment for Flukes, by far, would be Hikari PraziPro.... If that's what it is.. it's also a excellent fish dewormer

  • @davidhart4789
    @davidhart4789 Před 6 měsíci

    Congrats on the 50K subs. 🌹 I really enjoyed this as it was very interesting on how you were medicating the whole tank. Also you couldn’t have picked a better day for your drawing, December 22, is my 75th birthday. 🎂🎊

  • @mattphillips6714
    @mattphillips6714 Před 6 měsíci

    For the 3 months of extended high temps reduce your light brightness to a moderate warm glow rather that your normal spectrum, you may find this helps reduce any aggressive behaviour.. I currently have South American cichlids and my Severums go less dominant with the whole tank, it also helps my tank stay cooler but I have lids and you don’t.. hope this helps you, have a great Christmas with your family or whoever you spend it with..

  • @MrEvilmitch
    @MrEvilmitch Před 6 měsíci

    Hmm im glad you made this video. I have a similar thing happening in my Mbuna tank . I put it down to aggression but now im thinking maybe i should investigate further 🤔 also congratulations on 50k subs 🎉

  • @katgoddard115
    @katgoddard115 Před 6 měsíci

    Merch! ❤🎉

  • @carlyh6913
    @carlyh6913 Před 6 měsíci

    Dope video, good to see how everyone is doing

  • @Gary-yd4zm
    @Gary-yd4zm Před 6 měsíci

    Beautiful tanks first of all... Absolutely amazing... What you should do is... Do about 50% water change and add aquarium salt and after a day do another 50% water change... And then add copper salts... But I would not feed them for about 3-5 days... They will be fine... I would also keep the light off because they seem more comfortable without light... I wouldn't put any medicine in there and trust me... Most of not all the aquarium disease can be combated by not feeding as much

  • @garageaquatics2023
    @garageaquatics2023 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Well CONGRATULATIONS on the 50K mark Kaity! That's a huge milestone! Good luck with your fishies. It's always difficult losing our little fined friends. Hopefully that won't be the case here. I noticed at about 14:40 the pectoral fins on your Red Eureka (I think that's right) looked a bit tattered. Do you suppose that's due to the infection or is it getting beaten up by others because of a weakened condition? Looking forward to a positive outcome. Have a fantastic weekend! ~Ron

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Thank you so much Ron 😁🎉🎉 I think that it's getting beaten up because it's unwell. I always find that happens, if one gets sick the others will start to go after it

  • @gunnarjangs
    @gunnarjangs Před 6 měsíci

    All the best for your fish and you!

  • @josepolanco1228
    @josepolanco1228 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Love your tank and content. Subscribed to you Channel

  • @jerrysfishroom3579
    @jerrysfishroom3579 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I have struggled with my Tanganyika tank. Mainly the Tropheus. I had 8 Duboisi and down to one. I have treated with medicated flakes but no luck. I noticed they chased each other around. Have you had any issues with your Tropheus? Debating on trying again.

  • @BodgieFromStraya
    @BodgieFromStraya Před 6 měsíci

    3:18 - malaSHITE green hahaha. Kaity, such profanity
    ill give my proper comment after I finish watching hehehe

  • @roohollahyeylaghiashrafi7095

    I'm so Happy for your fishes🎉❤

  • @born2fightt
    @born2fightt Před 6 měsíci

    At 5.13 u have bubble build up which could be from ammonia

  • @juncuspatens
    @juncuspatens Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yay🎉new vids!

  • @Wampity
    @Wampity Před 6 měsíci

    Simplest answer is always the answer in my experience.
    1) What has changed in their diet / food of late? Alot of foods can have hormonal changes in Africans if there are changes in their protein type (Spirulina vs Crude Proteins) or amount of. Also of course fats, carbs and fibres and potential fillers on cheaper foods.
    Alot of brands will add hormones for colour (even if they claim not to it will usually be a derivative of a hormone or something that promotes an increase in hormone production directly or indirectly).
    2) Any new fish added and if so, could they have brought parasites, bacterium or diseases?

  • @DANIIKANHIAS69
    @DANIIKANHIAS69 Před 6 měsíci

    Nice cichids

  • @bunnysparklzbunnytime5117
    @bunnysparklzbunnytime5117 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I had an issue with camallanus worms. I have no clue how I got it after 3 years with nothing new going into the tank in that time. Their was no signs of those buggers in my fish. All of the babies started dying and then the adults started next. I ended up separating the last 20 of them into 4 ten gallon tanks. One day I was looking at them wondering why they where still looking horrible I saw one of those worms poking out of the worst fish. Ended up making some food with levamisol in it and dosed the tanks with it. Finally fixed the issue. Sad I ended up tearing the big tank down but I'm not messing with those again

  • @cryptodownunder1806
    @cryptodownunder1806 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Good video to show the not so fun parts of owning a aquarium 🙌🏼the Cal's will breed in there also just slowwww growing 😊

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you!! Yes sooooo slow 🤣 Just need to wait a few years lol

  • @JustAnotherAsianGuy2
    @JustAnotherAsianGuy2 Před 6 měsíci

    omg .... you really made over 50 k subscribers ..... nice ..... good job ..... i'm happy for you

  • @fatfishdesignzllc
    @fatfishdesignzllc Před 6 měsíci +1

    cool video, awesome tanganikya tank

  • @izadajda5082
    @izadajda5082 Před 5 měsíci

    Bardzo fajne akwarium 👍.

  • @sirwilliam7988
    @sirwilliam7988 Před 6 měsíci

    I had some really large Redfin Borleyi years ago that would have the same issue from time to time. They almost never survived once the other fish noticed it was weak. Never found out what caused this.
    On a brighter note. So glad to see the Tropheus doing well. Love the Black Calvus. Always wanted a pair myself.
    Maybe Santa has a 300 gal in your future to make a really nice Tang tank.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci

      How interesting!! It used to always swim around with my Venustus, they seemed like best buddies. But once it got unwell the Venustus really went after her

  • @sammyringstrom1448
    @sammyringstrom1448 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for doing this videos bc i also want to get a bigger aquarium and get the cichlids🥰

  • @paulmartin3946
    @paulmartin3946 Před měsícem

    What are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrates levels?

  • @AngusCaleb
    @AngusCaleb Před 6 měsíci +5

    Also, be careful not to cross-contaminate the two tanks (you probably already know this). For example, don't use the same wet nets or syphon hoses for both tanks.

    • @burrow2chase
      @burrow2chase Před 6 měsíci +3

      I’ve used the same syphon hose for all my 8 tanks. I guess it’s a good thing I’ve never had an issue!
      I definitely don’t want to have to have 8 different python hoses😂

  • @th3wick3d3nd3
    @th3wick3d3nd3 Před 6 měsíci

    You say we don't really have fish veterinarians but you literally are one after watching this video. Very informative. You rock!

  • @alan61979
    @alan61979 Před 6 měsíci

    Hopefully you don't lose anymore. You have some if the best Malawis I've ever seen.

  • @lylegc01
    @lylegc01 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Hope you get things cleared up OK, always sad to lose fish.

  • @z90012
    @z90012 Před 3 měsíci

    Hi what filters do you use on your tanks🤔

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 3 měsíci

      For the one with the black cabinet I have two Fluval FX6 filters, and the one with the white cabinet has a sump. I have a couple of videos on my channel about them if you check out the "My tank setup" playlist 😊

  • @MakoyUnggoy
    @MakoyUnggoy Před 6 měsíci

    I swear that Venustus of yours is bigger every time a new video is posted!...What are the darker Tropheus you have, they look like red rainbow or firecracker to me, I've got a single little firecracker rescue in with my 11 Acei and is doing well so far, I keep a close eye on them haha!

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci

      Yes it's seriously crazy how much it grows!! I don't realise until I look back at older footage. I can't think of their exact name right now, but they're some type of red Tropheus, they're not the rainbow ones. I would LOVE to get some rainbow ones though at some point if I can get my hands on them

  • @pulsar150dtsi6
    @pulsar150dtsi6 Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Mam , show your tank sump set up full and clear vedio..

  • @th3wick3d3nd3
    @th3wick3d3nd3 Před 6 měsíci

    I purchased 6 budgies earlier this year which are driving me crazy lol In early January two African Grey parrots will be arriving, I've almost finished the cage and super excited!

  • @peasandhapsforever110
    @peasandhapsforever110 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great video, hey kaity the gel food you use can you tell me the ingredients. I have some friends who say it must have hormones in it to have the fish color up the way it shows. I say it does not have any in it

  • @carlyh6913
    @carlyh6913 Před 6 měsíci

    Hope ms. Red feels better ❤

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you 🙏🏼 I think she is doing better already! Fingers crossed she will make a recovery 🤞🏼

  • @ChrisWijtmans
    @ChrisWijtmans Před 6 měsíci +1

    hello kaity, i lost two gourami, i had no idea what is wrong with them, i tried anti fungul meds, anti fluke meds, anti worm meds, internal/external. I did not mix the meds and oxygenated well. They just end up passing anyway. Thank you for the video. The gourami were the same species, the other species of gourami were just fine! I also noticed some guppies doing the same scratching thing on the floor.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci

      It's so tough sometimes you do everything and it's not enough 😔 I'm sorry for your loss ❤️

    • @ChrisWijtmans
      @ChrisWijtmans Před 6 měsíci +1

      Well, i do (try to) not feel too bad about it. I hope you are doing well. Needless to say i will never buy from that store again. I also had the issue of the stores giving just incorrect information to convince you to buy (more).@@Kaityscichlids

  • @user-cy2pk3yq1r
    @user-cy2pk3yq1r Před 6 měsíci +1

    I like Kaity. Are you having a summer in Australia right now? I'm tired of cleaning the snow.:D A lot of snow!) Do you go on vacation to the beach in Australia?

  • @roystevenson1297
    @roystevenson1297 Před 6 měsíci +1

    hi kaity how are you yah I do hope you get ur fish Healthy again soon I love ur tanks they look amazing 👍👍bcuz of you my fish is doing great ❤

  • @Socialmediaisvile
    @Socialmediaisvile Před 6 měsíci +1

    I just lost my fire mouth yesterday from rapid breathing and swollen gills , it was out of nowhere also , I’ll have to try that next time , I hate dosing the entire tank tho , good clip ..

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci

      I would especially hate having to dose it for ich because the malachite green would stain the texas holy rock soooo badly I think

  • @kiranr2174
    @kiranr2174 Před 6 měsíci

    Aren't these cichlids fight's each other?
    How do you keep it up?

  • @michaelmurray9232
    @michaelmurray9232 Před 6 měsíci

    Artemis It's good and if you have flukes salt water dips. Specific gravity about .018 to .020. Needs to be done for a week 10 minutes first day and add 5 to 10 minutes until your at about 45 minutes. Once You Get to the 45 minute mark. Do that for a week everyday. And then every other day for another week so it takes about three weeks. You have pathogens in your tank and you will never be able to get rid of them. So When they get stressed their courtesy level increases, And it surpresses their immune system So then Whatever is in the system can then express itself Within a fish.

  • @zlamanit
    @zlamanit Před 6 měsíci +2

    10:50 I couldn't believe that you just need 20ml, but I've checked it (twice) and that's what the label says. I'm using a different product which would need 150ml for the same volume. Have you dosed only for the added tap water or for the whole tank? I may try API because the brand I use was in my local store 20 years ago and it works so I never thought about changing it.
    Anyway, I don't know if you follow Cichlid Charmer, but he lost more than half his fish after he forgot to treat the tap water just one time. The fish looked really bad by the time he filled up the tank. I knew chlorine is bad for fish, but had no idea it could be this disastrous from just one water change.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I think I read about something similar to that!! It definitely can really do a number on them. I normally dose it for the whole tank just to be on the safe side because I usually change such a large volume of the water. Wow 150ml is HEAPS!

  • @jsaquaticX
    @jsaquaticX Před 6 měsíci +1

    Love the bird 🐦..

  • @georgeskondras1513
    @georgeskondras1513 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The higher the temperature, the more aggressive these guys tend to be.. personally I keep my tanks Around 24 find them to be less aggressive with the lower temperature

  • @billmeyer4773
    @billmeyer4773 Před 6 měsíci

    Looking like you need a hospital tank for the sick ones. So you don't have to medication for all of them. ❤

    • @bethanysummers3377
      @bethanysummers3377 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Usually u need to treat the whole tank incase other fish have them too I would think? Not for every fish problem tho. We have a 3ft hospital tank in our garage just incase.

  • @26Tackle.reviews
    @26Tackle.reviews Před 6 měsíci +1

    Orrr merch! i like a treatment called esha 2000! mix it with esha gdex for flatworms/flukes/tapeworms! totally safe to all fish/plants and your filters! never lost a fish when mixing 2000 and gdex! treated my asian arowana start of the year and bang on know!

  • @canhobihanem2629
    @canhobihanem2629 Před 6 měsíci

    Arkadaş çok güzel video olmuş eline koluna sağlık

  • @AngusCaleb
    @AngusCaleb Před 6 měsíci +1

    I think that one cure for parasites is to raise the tank temperature to 85 deg.+ for 5-7 days and the parasites will complete their life cycle. I am going by memory here back to my fishkeeping days (+40 years ago). So, please check this with your own research/sources.

  • @Lovablereece24
    @Lovablereece24 Před 2 měsíci

    Try using an airstone

  • @jeromehorn7333
    @jeromehorn7333 Před 6 měsíci

    When I had gill flukes I treated with aquarium salt. I started using aquarium salt with every water change after that and never had gill flukes issues again.

  • @BadlydrawnBen
    @BadlydrawnBen Před 6 měsíci +1

    Could be the pothos if the fish are grazing on the roots as they contain a toxin maybe try swapping the pothos for spider plants as they are non toxic. Pothos is fine with fish that dont graze on the roots

  • @JosephKarthic
    @JosephKarthic Před 6 měsíci

    @Kaityscichlids remove the substrate completely, that's the only long term solution for sudden unexpected death.. Fish have new water every second in river, tanks are closed system with filter support, adding substrate make things worse, just try it once and you'll see the truth..

  • @awilderireland
    @awilderireland Před 6 měsíci

    I had (may still have) a similar issue. I tried every med under the sun. Well pretty much. For both internal and external parasites. I was sure it was flukes but treated for internal as well after two extended treatments for flukes.
    I tried to get some API General Cure from the states to add to their food. But Irish Customs nabbed it. 😂

  • @ironhorse4206
    @ironhorse4206 Před 6 měsíci

    I believe pathos is toxic if eaten

  • @manukmurthy5175
    @manukmurthy5175 Před 6 měsíci +1

  • @dubaialabajwa786
    @dubaialabajwa786 Před 6 měsíci +1

    👍🏽👍🏽

  • @stevmstng5165
    @stevmstng5165 Před 6 měsíci

    Nice

  • @max.0328
    @max.0328 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Such a shame you've lost those fish after they have grown so big.it's one of the most frustrating things about the hobby,to have sick fish and loose them!🤬 I'm sure you Will be a pro in nursing them and cure them all.(you already did remind me of a nurse a bit ,every time you were wearing those white crocs 😄)

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I know right 😭 That was one of the reasons I stopped keeping discus, because they would get sick so often. Always such a shame

  • @pn7836
    @pn7836 Před 6 měsíci +2

    They’re dying because of colour feeding.
    Need to also increase surface agitation to increase oxygen for the tank

  • @janghussain3438
    @janghussain3438 Před 6 měsíci

    Please tell meat the name of the lamps are

  • @malawicarsten
    @malawicarsten Před 3 měsíci

    Looking at Your fish I'm 99.999% sure you don't have gill flukes BUT bloat. Usually with Malawi's that is the biggest killer.

  • @sheikhshakib55
    @sheikhshakib55 Před 6 měsíci

    Love from Bangladesh

  • @aronaeleven5574
    @aronaeleven5574 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I would be so upset to lose any even after their cycle was due🐟🐠🐟🐡🐠🐟🦈

  • @1967Stotty
    @1967Stotty Před 6 měsíci

    What a shame to lose such beautiful fish.

  • @fishmunga1014
    @fishmunga1014 Před 6 měsíci

    At the very start it sounds like Laila has gone rogue. Lol.

  • @jaihunt6233
    @jaihunt6233 Před 6 měsíci +1

    My verdict is that you have a bully in the tank.
    In the first clip that you pointed out the sick fish you can see that there is another Aulonacara harassing it.
    The sick fish has torn dorsal and tail fins which is very typical signs that the fish is being chased and nipped.
    Further to this, when you pan out you can see the same blue fish be aggressive and chase others.
    Even at one point he had the whole end of the tank to himself.
    You can also see that a couple of your fuelleborni mbunas are showing signs of aggression.
    Also you mentioned that your kadango and mirrorball died.
    These are both very placid breeds of fish.
    Copadichromis naturally are a schooling fish and will not do well with pressure from mbuna.
    Mirrorballs are Placidochromis and as their name suggests are placid. You mentioned also that it was a female and had some sunken belly which to me suggests that she has been under some stress for a while.
    The Sciaenochromis is more than likely stressed from all the fighting happening in the tank.
    So my suggestion would be to either not mix the Mbuna and Haps together, or rescape so that the mbuna have a place to claim and the haps have some open water with 1 single tall piece of structure to break the line of sight if some fighting breaks out.
    Just my opinion.
    Happy Fish Keeping Legend 😁🐟

  • @kmrem77
    @kmrem77 Před 6 měsíci

    Too bad the give away is only in Australia. You need to do something for US as you have subscribers here also to be fair love watching you!

  • @jessenewman1610
    @jessenewman1610 Před 6 měsíci

    Just do a scrape test and check with a microscopic thats what everyone does with koi no need for guessing what kind of parasites you have

  • @brockcorbett780
    @brockcorbett780 Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Kaity

  • @nelsonmilian2578
    @nelsonmilian2578 Před 6 měsíci

    I’m not sure what I like to see more, your fish tanks or yourself!!!

  • @DetectiveLopez.
    @DetectiveLopez. Před 6 měsíci

    Melashite green yeah 😂

  • @noaltravis2507
    @noaltravis2507 Před 3 měsíci

    she must be rich if she lives like that

  • @bunnysparklzbunnytime5117
    @bunnysparklzbunnytime5117 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I had an issue with camallanus worms. I have no clue how I got it after 3 years with nothing new going into the tank in that time. Their was no signs of those buggers in my fish. All of the babies started dying and then the adults started next. I ended up separating the last 20 of them into 4 ten gallon tanks. One day I was looking at them wondering why they where still looking horrible I saw one of those worms poking out of the worst fish. Ended up making some food with levamisol in it and dosed the tanks with it. Finally fixed the issue. Sad I ended up tearing the big tank down but I'm not messing with those again