Metalcore: A Complete Breakdown
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2022
- What is Metalcore exactly, and what does it mean? I cover Metallic Hardcore, Melodic Metalcore, Mathcore, and Nu-Metalcore. I do not own the music or art. It is for educational purposes, as always.
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Songs used in order: 1.618 by Allegaeon. Can You Feel My Heart by Bring Me the Horizon. Uplift by Pantera. Destroy the Machines by Earth Crisis. Destroy Everything by Hatebreed. To the Threshold by Hatebreed. Straight Toward Extinction by All Out War. Fail Like a Champ by Full Blown Chaos. Blinded by Fear by At the Gates. Moonshield by In Flames. Deliver Us by In Flames (Metalcore era). Not Alone by All That Remains. Waking the Demon by Bullet for my Valentine. Rose of Sharyn by Killswitch Engage. Down from the Sky by Trivium. 10 Miles Wide by Escape the Fate. General of the Dark Army by Unleash the Archers. Unholy Confessions, Almost Easy, Welcome to the Family, Hail to the King, and The Stage ALL by Avenged Sevenfold. Darkness Within by Machine Head. Panophobia by The Agonist (Alissa Era). Follow the Crossed Line by The Agonist (Vicky Era). You Suffer by Napalm Death. Transitions from Persona to Object by Botch. Concubine by Converge. 43% Burnt by The Dillinger Escape Plan. One of Us is the Killer, Black Bubblegum, Farewell Mona Lisa, and Good Neighbor, ALL by The Dillinger Escape Plan (Greg Era). Left Unfinished by Machine Head. Throne by Bring Me the Horizon. Like A Villain by Bad Omens. Slow Me Down by Issues. Zombified by Falling in Reverse. Animals by Architects. Voices in my Head by Falling in Reverse. Statism by Backwordz. Set Us Free by Backwordz. Doomtech by Vein. Baba Yaga by Slaughter to Prevail. Concrete Jungle by Bad Omens.
thank you.. so much...
How did these people forget Attack Attack! ?
Since we on the topic of metalcore have you covered "beatdown hardcore" yet
Can't believe ADTR didn't get mentioned as the major progenitor of the style you noted as "nu-metalcore."
S
People tends to forget there are 2 phases of metalcore.
1. Before Attack Attack
2. After Attack Attack
Sounds about right.
Before crabs, after crabs
While Attack Attack
Crabcore and Doomsdaycore
@@sawyeratkinson Sounds like my sex life🦀🦀🦀🦀
This is like astrology for metal fans.
yup exactly xD
There was a time I would have taken this as an insult, but not anymore.
@@whatsinameme5258 maturity. I know what I speak of :D
I guess people have a tendency to label anything, especially in metal. This is music, it gets to a point where creating a hyper-specific sub-sub-subgenre is impossible.
Sub genres are supposed to be a generic box of sounds, themes, aesthetic and techniques.
Except most of this isn't really metal
We really gonna act like Crabcore never existed? 💀
Yes.
I think we'd all like to forget that existed
My nightmares won't let me forget.
Crabcore isn’t real.
Are you implying crabcore fell off bro?
That was a dope vid!
agreed
Never had to scroll down this much to see your comment before lmao
Niknoc 😨😨
Nik approved👍
You have to appreciate how bizarrely diverse yet coherent this genre is, despite being someone who grew up on earth crisis, I naturally got into newer bands like Dayseeker and Loathe without any issue. I think the genre developing and changing is cool.
Loathe is one of the best bands in the scene right now. The way they blend metallic hardcore with shoegaze and djent is super impressive and seems effortless. I saw them open for Code Orange a few months back and they killed it.
Callous Daoboys are pretty sick as well
Loathe is so dope- saw them live some months ago and was NOT disappointed
I personally use "waves" to describe metalcore, for example:
first wave: Botch, Deadguy, Earth Crisis, Converge
second wave: Killswitch Engage, Poison The Well, As I Lay Dying, Parkway Drive
third wave: Architects, The Devil Wears Prada, Bring Me The Horizon, The Plot In You
fourth wave: Code Orange, Varials, Vein, Loathe etc.
it's easier to me to distinct sounds by trends being used, even though some bands may be very different within a "wave"
bump i 100% feeel this brah
ps. loathe feel like the newist version of deftones
Architects is so boring
Code orange is metalcore?
@@Malachiteinferno I like code orange
I think post-hardcore deserves a massive shoutout as well. So many great bands there
and for a while there was a lot of overlap...people got them mixed up all the time when I was a kid.
Post-hardcore is a whoooole other can of worms, but yeah a big part of the genesis of metalcore was a slow merge of post-hardcore and the metallic hardcore that did get a shoutout here
post-hardcore is probably one of the most diverse genres of music i’ve ever seen. it’s wild that shit like leaves turn inside you and relationship of command are technically in the same genre
Where / how would you draw the line between Metalcore & Post-Hardcore? What musical features differ from Metalcore in post-hardcore? Is Chiodos (especially the Album Illuminaudio) considered as Post-Hardcore? I used to think that I listen to Post-Hardcore, and some bands do see them indeed as Post-Hardcore, but lately, I've been listening to more Metalcore I think. But I struggle a lot with the differentiation between Metal- & Post-Hardcore🥲
@@imaginecloudsxo7987 The line is fuzzy because there's so much cross-pollination between subgenres. Generally speaking, post-hardcore will have less distortion and more overdrive (something you get an ear for with time), simpler riffs and more influences from rock rather than metal. Metalcore will have more chugging and melodic elements and generally feel more like *metal* than punk. The presence of a breakdown (a slowed-down section with melodically basic but very intense chugs) is an easy identifier for metalcore. The mix can also give it away; metalcore has had a decades-long love interest with the low-end.
Metalcore: Killswitch Engage, Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold.
Post-hardcore: At The Drive-In, Chiodos, Hail the Sun.
It sucks to have to say but really you just kinda learn to tell with time. Many bands that do one will also do the other.
So glad my generation is giving metalcore the respect it deserves
I like some metalcore and I think it does deserve respect but I don't really think it gets said respect
@@anqareliouth2921 metalheads hated it for being enjoyable 🤣🤣
@@lightningmonky7674 I think the reason many metalheads hate metalcore is because "metal" (notice I used the term "metal" and not "heavy metal" because heavy metal to me is a subgenre of metal that I think is the best for labeling bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden) is more of a range, and metalcore falls on the edge of said range.
Some metalcore is metal, some isn't, and because it is on the edge is it often a gateway genre to metal subgenres that fall more closely inside the metal range, like thrash black or death.
Because it is a gateway genre, it allowed for a lot of metalcore fans to take metalcore away from the metal range edge, and then getting it outside of metal territory, all whilst still calling themselves "metalheads", and this would make them commit the worst sin in all of metal:
being a poser.
@@anqareliouth2921 HAHA you make a fair point, I just think it's super damaging to the genre as a whole cause nobody wants to experiment due to the horrific sin of "being a poser"
@@anqareliouth2921 Honestly that makes a lot of sense, I can see where the animosity stems from now. I've always been more into punk, not metal but metalcore is one of the genres of metal I really, really enjoy besides deathcore, and sludge (there are obviously exceptions, just generally)
_tunes to drop c_
_5 7 8-s_
_0 0 0-s_
_harmonises_
there you go, a melodic metalcore masterpiece
Voices by Verb The noun
Lyrics:
OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES (with your back against the wall)
I’M BACK IN THE UNDERTOW (ARF ARF)
BEG FOR FORGIVENESS (WATCH THE WORLD BURN DOWN)
x5
BLEGH
True
And im gonna listen to that shit. ALWAYS
I think if Papa Roach wanted to they would make an S tier metalcore album. Jacoby is perfect for core vocals.
Yea but he keeps rapping and into those songs... I mean wtf with that MGK Syndrome is that?
It really shows on DOMINATION with Kayzo, yeah, I 100% agree
Yeeeessssssss
I've been saying this for years
Waking The Fallen is my favorite metal ore album of all time.
I miss that sound of metalcore, wasn’t the same after that
I respect all their albums but I agree. WTF is one of my favourite albums of all time, and I also love city of evil as well. The albums after, not as much.
2006-2016 is my favorite
if modern metalcore/deathcore sounded like the Count Your Blessings: an Encore album, i'd listen to more...it sounds too muddy; listen to I Used to Make Out With Medusa by Jei Doublerice then listen to Death Portrait by Lorna Shore and tell me which one you like more. heh that rhymes
It’s a great album.
have you checked out early parkway drive? like the albums before their logo went fancy
"Modern Metalcore" is gonna be the replacement you were looking for for "Nu-Metalcore". It's a pretty all-encompassing genre, but only because it would be like splitting hairs to differentiate them all based on nuances. "Modern Metalcore" represents the _spectrum_ of metalcore since the mid-2010s since new elements are constantly being introduced from different outside-genres and so much experimentation is always occuring.
It's everything from Bad Omens to A Day to Remember to Bring Me the Horizon, Beartooth, Ice Nine Kills, Electric Callboy, Wage War, Spiritbox, and even more.
Honestly, it has a very loose definition.
*like. Lol
bro, why u gotta name half my playlist like that lmao.
But this isn't really true. Nu-Metalcore is encompassing generic modern music elements. It's not encompassing just the spectrum of metalcore since 2010.
honestly, i would’ve called it “contemporary metalcore”
i feel like numetalcore first hit waves with like Early Issues, Sylar, Cane Hill. or even those who are nu-hardcore, like Darke Complex, Sworn In, Villians (yuth) basically any down tuned weewoo band from 2011-2014
newer bands like Backwordz, Notions, Unity-TX, (who all have POC vocalists by the way) and actually attribute a lot of their style to rap culture, are great mentions for recent nu-metalcore
@@bagofsunshine3916 lmao I feel that. I would include motionless in white and we came as romans as well.
There was a point that it felt like the only major mainstream-esque band was motionless in white. they were the only ones getting real representation in magazines and MTV, etc... between 2016 & 2018.
If Bring Me the Horizon didnt ramp up, it would have been just MiW getting huge.
As someone whose favorite metal genre is metalcore, awesome video. Loved how you covered both the past and future. I think a deathcore video would be awesome! Especially with how the genre has been diversifying in recent years.
Thank you!
Metalcore isn’t metal
@@yxutja Yeah, but its life
@@yxutja no it’s not, really close to Jazz tho
Second that on the deathcore Vid! 👍🏻
A complete “breakdown”. I see what you did there. And not that you need my approval, but I approve.
BMTH is kinda tricky to talk about since they went from making deathcore to metalcore to outright pop music, and sometimes heavier stuff
You forgot about one of the biggest parts of metalcore, the djent infused part. Bands like Architects (up to Holy Hell), Polaris, Northlane (who I'd even put in prog cuz they have experimented so much with their sound it sounds like a distant echo of metalcore, on Node for example, Node is straight prog metal, the Karnivool influences are too apparent), Currents, ERRA,Crystal Lake, even Spiritbox (The Mara Effect and their Singles Collection really play with that sound) and so many others that try this sound. This sound has been dominating the genre for the past years.
Thats kind of what he covered under the term "Nu-Metalcore"
@@Melkor0410 two very different sounds imo
Djentcore is my favorite genre lol
@@peterb4143 tbh djent most of the time on detial is just progressive metalcore.. but Meshuggah is another thing
@@Melkor0410 No. Nu-metalcore as he defined it (which is a fair enough name to call it) is basically the dumbed-down, chug-only version of djent/modern/progressive metalcore.
Songs like Architects' Colony Collapse, like Northlane's Windbreaker, like Invent Animate's Dark, like Currents' Shattered couldn't be farther from the "octane radio" stuff
Been listening to metal my whole life and still can’t label half the shit I listen to.
Thats ok. Not everyone is a nerd like me!
I’m so glad I’m not the only person who’s called it “nu-metalcore”. Other bands that come to mind are Tallah and Bloodywood. Even Knocked Loose throws in some nu-metal riffage.
"Nu Deathcore" = Slaughter to Prevail - Baba Yaga
Infected rain
2008-2018 was the golden era of whatever metal core was imo. So many bands and shows in that time period. Notable favorites: chiodos, Asking Alexandria ,Miss may I, Bless the fall, Capture the Crown,Fit for a king, TDWP, Volumes, Park way Drive and Crown the Empire.
Haven't listened to metalcore in a while but today on my way to work i listened to Parkway Drive's Horizons so good timing there.
Parkway drive is the definition of metalcore. Surprised not mentioned
Why does botch sound good in my ear? I will listen it
Dude how did you not know about it? It's part of the mathcore holy trinity (Calculating Infinity by TDEP, We Are The Romans by Botch, Jane Doe by Converge)
Check out psyopus
@@goth2415 Odd Senses and Our Puzzling Encounters Considered are their best!
Botch is one of the OGs of the genre back when the bands were playing shows in basements. They have an album called We Are The Romans on the label Hydra Head Records. There's a ton of amazing bands on Hydra Head Records
@@MaestroKatProductions apparently he's working on new material
Now he's probably gonna do the black metal... Anyway, i'm waiting for the power metal one.
I hope he does Black Metal and all of its spin offs
He needs to do a prequel to the thrash video - speed metal. And then part III about how one branch of speed evolved into power instead of thrash 😅
Now I'm re-listening some older stuff by Blind Guardian as I was really amazed by their current release. And it's a conventional wisdom that their second album Follow the Blind was almost a thrash/speed record (and it really was!). But I've always thought that then they started to transition to their more recent epic power sound and this transition was complete by the fourth record Somewhere Far Beyond. But no! For example Trial by Fire is more thrashy than some Megadeth songs. Really fascinating.
The Stage may not be Metalcore but goddamn that album is on a level
Yes, maybe I will talk about it more when I get to Prog Metal. That and Nightmare are probably my favourite A7X albums, which is an unpopular opinion. But yeah, great album. The music video for The Stage is also one of he best music videos too.
The Stage is my #1 album of all time out of any genre simply because it is the only album I can still listen to this day from start to finish no skips.
I may or may not fall into a deep depression if I don’t get new A7X soon.
@@whatsinameme5258 Nightmare is in my top 10 album list. The last song, Save Me is straight up Prog and I lovveee it
BMTH is definitely difficult to classify since most of their albums fall somewhere in the metalcore spectrum.
Count Your Blessings is a proper deathcore album and Suicide Silence is a mix of deathcore and melodic metalcore leaning more to the latter. With There is a hell and Sempiternal, they completely abandoned deathcore for melodic metalcore. That's the Spirit is rightfully nu-metalcore due to the electronic and pop influences. Setting the stage for their most divisive album amo where they completely ditched "core" for electronic and pop rock. Only to return with a nu-metal sound in Post Human EP 1. Their latest in the Post Human EP 2 retains the nu-metal sound.
I always thought A7X albums post Waking the Fallen are Hard Rock/Traditional Heavy Metal, never knew that those are still counted in metalcore. Still waiting for their new stuff besides the NFT bs they are trying to peddle.
Great video as always.
You're right about a7x, they were literally only straight metalcore for sounding of the seventh trumpet, the first 'bum
Every metalcore bands : Make 2 true metalcore albums, then I need money to survive.
*Suicide Season
@@NIGHTMARE-bw9vl oh man, i thought he called Suicide Silence metalcore haha
@@lightningmonky7674objectively incorrect. Waking the fallen was peak metalcore. And not even all of stst was metalcore
Metalcore was the foundation of my love for metal. I started skateboarding around 2004 and started listening to As I Lay Dying, Trivium’s ‘Ascendency’, All That Remains, Killswitch, etc.
In 2006 I went to my first show in Nashville, it was Threat Signal at the Muse. Second show was The Haunted and Scar Symmetry at the Masquerade in Atlanta (we left after SS because Into Eternity was next and we hated those high majestic vocals lol). Third show was closer to my hometown, it was Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza and Plea for Purging in Murfreesboro.
My friends and I went to well over a hundred shows between 2006 and 2013. Mostly in Atlanta or Nashville.
Darkest Hour, Whitechapel, Emmure, Acacia Strain, Parkway Drive, After the Burial, Despised Icon, All Shall Perish, All That Remains, BTBAM, Dillinger, The Faceless, JFAC, Carnifex, A Life Once Lost(we smoked with them after a show), also smoked with Cephalic Carnage in Atlanta and then watched the Super Bowl with them in Nashville lol, Devildriver, Born of Osiris, Winds of Plague, Haste the Day, Poison the Well, Unearth, Bury Your Dead, Oceano, As Blood Runs Black, Through the Eyes of the Dead, I Set My Friends on Fire, iwrestledabearonce, Devil Wears Prada, early BMTH, Every Time I Die, Evergreen Terrace, Mastodon, From a Second Story Window, In Flames, Shadows Fall, Children of Bodom, The Human Abstract.
I’m sure I’m missing some but that’s a pretty good list of what we all had on our stolen iPods in the late 2000s.
To me metalcore is like a cake, the clean vocals is the icing, without it it's still good but it's not the same, adding it just makes my life complete
I actually disagree like a lot with this I think the best examples of like really good metalcore tended to use clean vocals really sparingly if at all. I do kind of miss the good cop bad cop routine of the mid 00s though you don't really hear that nowadays...now it's either all screaming or no screaming it feels like
Yuck
I never liked Dillinger Escape Plan when i was younger. Now i realise what a powerhouse band they are now. As ive began diving into their discography the past year or so.
Tbh they're my 2nd favourite band of all time behind Opeth
Dude the grindcore section actually made me laugh so hard. Great stuff man, sub earned.
Seems like Metalcore has the most variety of all the other sub genres. Which is probably why when I recommend people that don’t regularly listen to Metal bands from the genre, they usually have vastly different opinions on each one. Great video!
I honestly feel like the old definitions of metalcore is more accurate to what metalcore should be, metal and hardcore. There's still a lot of examples of hardcore punk bands that use the metallic hardcore sound. Examples that come to mind are DRAIN, SPY, Incendiary, Growl, SUNAMI, and a few others.
The more modern metalcore from the early 2000s sound nothing like these hardcore bands and just sound like a more emo/scene variation of pop punk in my opinion. What people consider to be metalcore today, doesn't sound super trash or hardcore to me, at least in traditional terms. In my opinion it sounds like it's own thing and could honestly use a more fitting genre name if you ask me, I feel like they were piggybacking on early metalcore to keep people listening but in reality it became a completely different genre.
Interenting video I agree with alot of these points, and I unironically enjoyed the mathcore just because I have already been a math rock listener.
I also like the older definitions of metalcore, but I also am huge into mathcore. It's intentionally challenging to both the casual music listener and the musician alike, and I as a musician absolutely LOVE it.
Definitely check out END and Cult Leader if you like your hardcore tinged with death metal. They have amazing catalogs and also just released a split ep together
Spoken by someone who knows their shit thanks heaps my boy 💪🏼 it’s rare
"The more modern metalcore from the early 2000s sound nothing like these hardcore bands and just sound like a more emo/scene variation of pop punk in my opinion." There's no way to can listen to bands like As I Lay Dying and call them a variation of pop punk 💀💀💀
@@tuckerkrause5838 You should listen to Darkest Hour if you like that At The Gates core sound. They were the first hardcore/metalcore band to do it as far as I'm aware
@@bostonwilde8004 Yep big fan of Darkest Hour, definitely my preferred sound
I actually like how you used examples that were either the start of that sub genre or made it popular and were iconic.
The starter pack 😂. It's like the gap between Death and Emo😂
What an amazing, comprehensive deep dive into Metalcore! Props for the hard work you put into this, man! 🤘🦖
Thank you! Yes, these do take awhile!
I am quite shocked Parkway Drive was not included. In my opinion, the early days of PKWD are the epitome of metalcore.
with August Burns Red, As I lay Dying, Caliban, Heaven Shall Burn...
@@brunoxeca Unearth, bleeding through
I totally agree with you, guys! As I Lay Dying for me is the band that keeps the pure metalcore spirit alive!
Parkway Drive kept going into another direction, Heaven Shall Burn as well.
Unearth also keep pure metalcore sound in some aspects.
Shoutout to the Allegaeon video. I love those guys
Electronic-Core is the genre that sucked me into Metal. If it wasn’t for Someday Came Suddenly I wouldn’t have gotten into all of the other metal genre’s I’m a huge fan of today.
I listened to a lot of EDM, then found myself into synthwave. This lead to Darksynth and shredwave. At some point I then found alternative and industrial metal and here I am, even more confused listening to melodic metalcore, nu-metalcore, modern metalcore, alternative metal? Idk, all I know is it hits hard and has killer vocals and even better if theres innovation.
im very new to metal and your channel has only grown my interest! thank you for your videos :D
Great content broski! Looking forward to more. This was a good trip through memory lane!
When it comes to "Nu-Metalcore" I'd say the only band that really captures that classic KoRn sound and mixes it with metalcore influences is Tallah. The riffs are KoRn/Slipknot-esque with a more modern metalcore/deathcore approach and the lyrics and vocals sound like they could've come straight from the 90s.
Another amazing video, can't wait for more!
I just love that you started the video with that bit from 1.618. Great song and great video.
It was cool you included Eric July’s band, Backwordz. I’ve never heard anyone in the metal scene mention them at all before.
It’s because they got totally blackballed by fire from the gods
I miss that band, I wish they were releasing new music.
because they're not good lmao
A lot of people don’t like folks who tell the truth.
@@Rhynorc new albums being worked on, iirc
I tried to get into melodic metalcore, and while I usually like mixing genres, I could never get over how it goes from death metal growls to emo vocals.
I do like Slaughter to Prevail, though. Reminds me of Slipknot.
Slaughter is deathcore, if you don’t like the changing vocals of metalcore other deathcore bands like fit for an autopsy might be worth a try and see if you get into that:)
august burns red pretty nice band if u still looking melodic ithink it is melodic metalcore
@@rileysharrock3418 The funny thing is I'm not against metal singers who switch from growls to clean vocals. Jonathan Davis, Chino Morena, Dez Fafara, etc--they're all great. It's just that in melodic metalcore, the switch from death metal growl to emo singing throws me off. Like, "Wait, what am I listening to? Metal or emo?"
You find the singing in all that remains emo ?
I’ve been a big fan of the metal genre in general for years now but never understood what the differences were about the sub genres, this helped me understand the different sub genres to a significantly greater extent. Well done.
its just awsome to see how great people also have great a music taste. it always puts a grin on my face, when i see you comment under a nice heavy music video or shit like this haha
great video - checked out the rest of your channel and im a fan. keep it up dude. love the full blown chaos entry in this video lol
A very good video.
Only one band was missing and that was it
Unearth
As I Lay Dying and August Burns Red
Unearth really deserves a mention any time you're talking about like that second wave of metalcore. Right next to Killswitch honestly....but for some reason they're just never brought up that much.
Honestly how Architects, Bad Omens, and BMTH's last album had alot of syrhth and digital sounds to it, we could chop it up to call it GlitchCore since the electronic sounds are super heavy in it especially in Architects deep fake song that dropped not to long ago. I'd say there definitely veering away from their usual metalcore sounds but still has the heavy tones and harsh vocals.
Was hoping you mention modern metalcore, at least that’s the name I know. Bands like Spiritbox, Polaris and Erra are what I associate with them, although a lot of them seem to come from Prog influences. Maybe they’re Djent? Thall?
Great job! Looking forward to your next video!
Progressive metalcore
Djentcore. Metalcore and djent. Although the djent scene is slowly fading away. That’s not to be confused with progressive metalcore though, like ERRA.
I feel like djent never made it to it's full potential, the early stuff like veil of Maya and after the burial are straight up dope. However I haven't dived suuuper deep into the genre yet (cause a lot of it is absolutely unlistenable) so I am probably missing out on some awesome newer djent bands. Maybe it will be the kind of genre that makes a resurgence and some new really dope bands come out
Yeah he completely skipped over all the metalcore bands with heavy progressive influences. Him and too many other people confuse progressive metalcore with djent. Djent is an extremely smaller of a genre than most people think. Most bands label as just "djent" are just progressive metalcore bands.
Thall is a whole other thing. Go listen to Vildhjarta and tell me there are similarities with Spiritbox. There are a few bands in modern metalcore which sometimes use the thall dissonances (Second Skin by Currents comes to mind for example. Or some Invent Animate tracks)
Modern metalcore is definitely what you defined though. It mostly stems from the Architects material of the 2010s, starting with Lost Forever Lost Together. It's basically the prog side of djent (think Tesseract and Monuments) mixed with normal core elements.
And as such it's also influenced by prog, with some bands having that as a closer influence. I'm thinking Invent Animate, Above Below, Thornhill (well, before Heroine which is fucking amazing but not really metalcore), early Northlane, Oceans Ate Alaska, Erra and many more.
I love mathcore lol, unironically my favorite out of any of these. Rolo Tomassi is another great mathcore influenced band.
Really love that band! Love the post rock-mathcore vibe from them, Time Will Die and Love Will Bury it is on my top 10 album list.
They’re so fucking underrated, wish more people know them
Was really confused for a moment. Rolo, not Rollo. XD
Rolo is spazcore like IWABO
The only one i like haha
Was so excited to hear what you were gonna say about mathcore. My absolute favorite bands and songs I love were all featured lol! Needless to say no one passes me the aux.
Vein definitely touch on the mathcore adjacent bands. I hear a lot of Botch in them, especially the grooves in the latter parts of their songs. Stoked Botch are back, even if it only turns out to be one song.
Can you recommend any other bands like vein? They're really cool, also they're song the killing womb is a 10/10 metalcore jam
Their*
@@lightningmonky7674 these guys borderline beatdown but are still hanging around the same genre: Varials (Pain again, in darkness) Jesus Piece, Living Weapon(Vein side project), MouthBreather, Erase them (Varials Vocalist), Under the Pier, For your health, Cauldron, Thrown, and Serration. Vein kinda picks out the best aspects of all these bands, so they don't sound EXACTLY like vein but are still in that Metallic Hardcore blend.
@@lightningmonky7674 chamber actually gets really close i highly recommend them
Varials aren’t metalcore imo. They are mathcore influenced hardcore. Yes, modern hardcore is often technically metalcore (especially beatdown bands such as knocked loose etc) but since the word metalcore often describes the pop version with clean vocals now, beatdown bands tend to label themselves as “beatdown hardcore” not as “beatdown metalcore”
I loved the video a lot, because this is a genre that I enjoy madly haha. The good thing about this video is the variety and being able to find new bands to listen to :D!! By the way Math Metal is an insane thing!!!
Would you make a video about Screamo?
Absolutely love your videos on metal subgenres! Would be psyched if you made one on prog metal, especially since it’s a subgenre I can’t say I really get
I knoe people hate on bad omens. But every time I hear one of their choruses, its like cool refreshing mountain water to my ears.
I’m deeply saddened by the absence of progressive metalcore; bands like Erra, Old Architects, Invent Animate…
Yoooo thank you so much for including Backwordz. They’re an amazing band not only for their music but their message as well. Fun fact the lead singer also just started his own comic book series!
Don´t you think that they sound like if Linkin Park would still release albums like Meteora or Hybrid Theory but modern?
Metalcore... I usually make fun of it by calling it "melodeath but bad" but I do like quite a few metalcore bands. Curiously enough it's a movement that completely flew past in the country I live (Brazil) and I can't quite remember a single metalcore band that aired here, compared to nu metal before which took over tv and radio. (EDIT: now that I think of it, I think Avenged Sevenfold did)
I'd think the Nu-Metalcore moniker is more often used to describe these new bands straight up combining nu-metal and metalcore/hardcore... Bands like Code Orange, Tallah and later Cane Hill.
The movement you described including Architects and Issues is an interesting thing of its own though, not sure what they're called around tbh, I'd just lump them in Alternative Metal or just "architects-core" if I'm feeling funny.
Also not sure I'd call newer In Flames metalcore, completely lacks the "-core" (no breakdowns and stuff) and you won't hear one breakdown. I'd say it's more like a "melodeath lite" kinda thing? Definitely takes tabs on metalcore though, much like how metalcore itself took from first wave melodeath.
The later In Flames might have a bit of Alt Metal in too, but I figure if I include every ounce of nuance, the screen will be constantly full of text and the video will take twice as long to make. Haha.
Issues and architects couldn’t sound more different. Issues is definitely pretty metalcore, post hardcore, pop, and R&B
Heavy metalcore is making a big comeback recently, I can feel it, this month and the last have had some amazing drops
Come clarity by In Flames is basically Triviumcore, and I mean this in the best way
if you're from brazil you should definitely check out Nothing In Between, metalcore in the style of shai hulud or misery signals and Heartlistener in the style of bands like counterparts or it prevails
I've been looking for a way to describe the 2010s metalcore and nu-metalcore suits it absolutely perfect. well put.
I try not to get to tied up the technicalities of different subgenres but some of my favorite bands (A7X, ADTR, BMTH) were metalcore at one point. 2000s to 2010s metalcore ended up being my favorite type of music by association and I found other bands I enjoy through those original ones.
Great video! Hopefully the copyrighted music doesn't lead to it being taken down or muted.
Surprised he mentioned so much of A7X without bringing up their blackened metalcore album STST wouldve been interesting to hear his take on it
It’s hard for me to wrap my head around Bad Omens’ first album and most recent album being part of the same genre, but either way they’re one of my favs.
Bad omens is amazing, I just got into them earlier this year, and I love when artist mix up ganres, especially when they still do it well, I love all Bad Omens albums, and I feel like I was one of the few that enjoyed Bring me the horizons Amo album, definitely different but still good, artist can't make the exact same songs for ever and I think its impressive when they experiment, cuz without bmth doing amo we would have Post Human survival horror which is front to back an amazing album because they experimented
Good summary! -
the piece of feedback I have is on the distinction between metallic hardcore vs Melodic metalcore. I think your point about it evolving was really great, but one thing you didn't mention is the influence of NWOBHM (think the dueling guitars of priest and maiden) as being the predominate influence in MDM that is borrowed by melodic metalcore bands. To me, this is a pretty solid distinction that we can listen to and differentiate.
I think you should definetely make a video about deathcore. Since it's one of the most popular and memed about genres nowadays. And one of the greatest in my opinion.
Bad Omens is my favorite band atm. One of the broadest metalcore bands I have ever heard. Kingdom of Cards is my favorite, despite that being their least metal song :P
TDOPOM is a great album! Rarely I find an album where I like almost every or every song on there.
They’re my favorite too. Exit Wounds is still my favorite of theirs cause it was the first one I heard and fell instantly in love.
Good video man. I appreciate this video
Great introduction to some bands I had not heard of yet.
as someone who loves metal and rock and the various sub genres and writes a lot of music but has never really been around long enough or involved enough with them culturally to fully understand what defines them this has been extremely helpful. Understanding where my own music and inspiration falls is especially useful.
I also appreciate that you present things without making much in the way of value judgements. A lot of people like to define genres as a way to lump the bands they like away from the ones they don't which can make it hard to actually understand what defines them.
trying to learn more about all the different metal-genres and your videos are really helping me out but they make me feel like there are so many combinations of subgenres that it's impossible to make sense of anything
Thank you! That's why I'm here.
honestly the new generation of metalcore is intereresting. Bands like Architects, Bad omens or bmth are not afraid to go further and experiment. Next couple of years will be biiigggg for that genre
It’s impressive seeing how much Bad Omens changed over their 3 albums with all of them being really fun in different ways.
Great Video 📸💯❤️⚔️ love the fact that you mentioned Full-Blown chaos! Earth Crisis , All Out War, Etc
Yoo Converge is my favourite band of all time, so glad they got a mention
Edit: kind of a shame you reduced the lyrical complexity of metalcore, especially in the early days. Aside from Hatebreed and the spirit-filled (early christian) bands, a lot of these bands were super political (as well as advocating for veganism and straight edge), with bands like Disembodied going into straight up hopelessness and nihilism. Also I believe that Disembodied is the first nu metalcore band, putting out music in this style as early as 1996-1997
Edit 2: Dear God that Backwordz shoutout turned this comment section into a libertarian hellscape. Racetraitor eats those bootlickers for breakfast.
Converge is awesome, shame they didn't keep up their insanely harsh sound after Jane doe
Disembodied has nothing to do with nu metal lol not everything that has groove beats is nu metal
@@F4RB3YONDM3T4L yeah usually when I think of the best aspect of nu metal it's those creepy dissonant leads. The rap stuff I can take or leave but those high pitched off putting leads are fucking awesome and can blend into any metal genre extremely well, the best example I have of this is orthodox's song cave in
@@lightningmonky7674 Disembodied has always been a basket case of genres. I hear influences from sludge, post-hardcore, emo and early metalcore in their first couple of releases. It wasn't until If God Only Knew.../Heretic that they incorporated more alt/groove/nu elements into the mix.
I don't like calling bands like Converge metalcore. They are so much more entrenched in the hardcore ethos than a lot of the other metalcore bands.
Bands like Converge, Botch, Zao, Knocked Loose, The Callous Daoboys, Gospel, etc are much more in line with the Metallic Hardcore roots than say All that Remains and Killswitch Engage are.
Bro I love Converge and The Dillinger Escape Plan. Yeah this is the genre for me. So much technicality in chaos. I love blasting this shit on the bus on my way to and from work.
Botch, Converge & Dillinger are amazing.
Check out callous daoboys
I was waiting for bands like OM&M, old BMTH, Parkway Drive, Miss May I and stuff... But also different vibves like old blessthefall, Attack Attack ofc Lol That's the type of music we would call metalcore in my country. Very curious to see none of them mentioned, nonetheless I took note of a few names I didn't know here. Hope you would do a video clarifying where they fit in
Metalcore is a interesting genre for me. Melodic metalcore is my all time favorite metal sound, but the post hardcore and pop punk influenced metalcore bands are among my least favorite.
I kind of feel the same honestly. I never really cared for what the metal elitists like, nor what the scene kids like. Neither would listen to stuff like The Agonist, but thats always been my jam.
They're both awesome imo🤘🏻 what don't you like about the latter? Not arguing just legitimately want to hear you're opinion
@@lightningmonky7674 I don’t like very much punk music, especially not pop punk, and I can say the same with post hardcore since it’s closely related. Just not the style I like. I just like my metalcore leaning into the metal side more I guess
I think metal is a range, and that some genres are on the edge of said range, metalcore is one of them.
In my opinion, metallic hardcore is completely metal, melodic metalcore is mostly metal, and the "post hardcore and pop punk influenced metalcore" (or nu-metalcore according to the terminology of this video) is not metal (not saying bad, just saying not metal), it simply strayed too far from the metal range.
@@anqareliouth2921 I mostly agree, but I would say metallic hardcore is mostly metal because it still has a lot of hardcore punk. Where melodic metalcore took that sound and lowered the punk and added melodic death metal into it. It is usually less intense than metallic hardcore, but not for less metal, but less hardcore punk.
I can’t get into newer metalcore :( I tried giving Architects a chance and I just can’t get into it. I still keep up with the bands I grew up with that release stuff (AILD, TDWP, ABR, Demon Hunter)
Falling in Reverse started Nu-Metalcore in my opinion. Ronnie Radke has always been one step ahead of everything.
Maybe ETF was a bit early to the style, but I'd definitely say they were more just post hardcore that went a little heavier. Falling in reverse is irrelevant in this conversation, as well as any other conversation about good metalcore
@@DomesticLlamas23 who's ETF
Actually emmure and attila started that wave in late 00's
@@ThatShitGood etf is escape the fate
Where is as i lay dying? Or parkway drive? Or august burns red?
Thanks for putting this together
Still Remains is my fave mid-2000s melodic metalcore band. They've only put out 3 albums but their first album (Of Love and Lunacy) is a GOAT album.
Still Remains is in my top 10 favorite metalcore bands. Of love and lunacy is a banger album.
They were one of the first to do synth breakdowns and then the emos in the devil wears prada just ran with it
I am a huge fanboy of melodic metalcore
the jester race used to be one of my favorite albums growing up and the realization that there is comic sans on the cover fucked me up
Bruh. Just did the same for me. Hahaha
Grew up with old In Flames, Arch Enemy, A7X, Bullet and so on. Still the best type of music for me to chill or engage.
Soilwork ?
I think it's hard putting bands into 1 sub-genre or category. Some bands might doing more than just 1 style. Just enjoy the music broski. Metal never dies!
The BMTH/Bad Omens style is something I lovingly refer to as "Octanecore" because it's the type of stuff that gets played on Octane radio. It's kind of completely detached from metalcore almost completely, it has very subtle influences from the core world, but not much. It's pop rock at it's core (haha, get it?) with screaming and breakdowns. I like this style, but it's hotly debated whether or not it's metalcore.
The term "Nu-metalcore" is stuff like Cane Hill, Alpha Wolf, and Polaris.
Hey man I love your metal analysis videos just found your channel & subbed. I'd love it if you made an analysis video on underground UK bands like Loathe, Lotus Eater, Creak, Subvoid, God Complex, Starved. As I think they require an analysis to determine what genre these bands fit under its something I've wondered but cant pin down. Thanks!
In nu-metalcore section everything you mentioned before Vein can be defined as alt-metal thing, while leaving bands like Vein, My Ticket Home, Sworn In, The Plot in You, Seeyouspacecowboy, Sylar, Knocked Loose, Code Orange (Kids), etc may be in this section
You should've included the Christian Metalcore part as well, August Burns Red and Fit For A King are way too good to not be atleast mentioned
Haste the Day belongs in that category for me.
starts with early 90s spirit-filled hardcore like Overcome and Strongarm. by the late 90s you got all the future forms of christcore in the likes of Training For Utopia (chaotic/emo), Few Left Standing (melodic/rock), and Embodyment (heavy/brutal).
Smite thee for forgetting Oh, Sleeper
Can’t forget Underoath
@@threeper2105 or Demon Hunter... Does Demon Hunter count as Metalcore?
yooo Ive never heard of Botch, but I fucking dig it! thank you!
Was introduced to metalcore years ago through Parkway Drive and Heaven Shall Burn, who have some clear similarities. I was then quite confused about what very different sounding other things were also labelled Metalcore. It surely is a diverse genre.
Definitely, metalcore can range from more hardcore punk with some chugs and breakdowns to skinny jeans, straightened hair and eyeliner, those sung choruses and screamed verses.
2:50 I saw in flames with unearth, chimairia and soilwork right after reroute to remain released. That was basically the last album I gave a f about in relation to in flames and, even then, reroute was, in the bands own words, them trying to sellout but accidentally making a decent album. Much chagrin indeed for the band that got me to delve even deeper into music...
the callous daoboys are a great mathcore band
another genre suggestion that I have (sorry if I am bothering you man) Noise rock and noise metal. (AIDS Wolf, Daughters, Duck Duck Goose, The Locust.)
No, its fine! Not familiar with that one. I will look into it!
@@whatsinameme5258 Yo, thanks for the reply! Hope ya like at least one of those bands. There is also a genre simply called Noise, its not metal or rock at all. Just noise....and something else called Lowercase Music hahaha, I sweat that is real.
@@whatsinameme5258 Lol good luck bro its only downhill once you start down noise. mathcore and dsbm dont hold a candle to peak merzbow, use headphones at lowish volume 🥴🥴
@@leliurium- I have been a fan of noise for years now and I also still enjoy mathcore and dsbm. NIce to see another fan of the genre. I take it Merzbow is your favorite?
man u are great, ur work will be remembered
Thank you so much!
Converge is still my favorite. The Dusk In Us is such a good album
Where Knocked Loose tho?
Mathcore is so slept on, just cause it's so jarring even to seasoned metalheads
Check out duck duck goose, see you next Tuesday, ed gein, heavy heavy low low, me and him call it us, the tony danza tapdance extravaganza, war from a harlots mouth, the list goes on
Gonna add Rolo Tomassi, check them out, female fronted mathcore/progressive metalcore
@@chrisgreely5958 they are pretty good, not exactly my cup of tea but I respect the hell out of their grind. As far as female fronted bands, iwrestledabearonce is insane
@@lightningmonky7674 Duck Duck Goose is the shit I will never stop blasting them idc how weird they are.
@@CaH6633 it ain't weird to like duck duck goose man, just means you have great taste 🤘🏻 I love mathcore with breakdowns, I'll take any reccs if you got em too
Damn mathcore low-key slaps hard
good video. i feel like you couldlve included the myspace era of crabcore and also a day to remember pop punk with breakdowns style metalcore.
No As I Lay Dying? huh. I thought they were the kings during there An Ocean Between Us Album
They were
@@FlabbyPigLegs yeah, they never could outdo themselves after that album. peaked hard. captured lightning in a bottle. but ya know, being career musicians, they had to pretty much to keep going.
@@RitaMcCloud what didn't you like about The Powerless Rise? Personally I think that's their best album they have released. In comparison to An Ocean Between Us, it's got better riffs, better drumwork, and Lambesis screams significantly more.
@@rtef6404 well from what I remember, since I have only listened to it once, all the songs sounded the same. I remember it felt another band listened to An Ocean Between Us and tried to build off if but imo it was unsuccessful. And Tim screams on all the albums. What do you mean more on TPR?
@@RitaMcCloud At the very least from Ocean Between Us and beyond, there was a strong emphasis between the vocal dynamics of Lambesis and Gilbert. But in The Powerless Rise half the songs of have Lambesis' voice: Beyond Pur Suffering, Without Conclusion, The Plague, Condemned, Only Constant Is Change. I won't deny An Ocean Between Us has more diversity between the songs, but I just enjoy the sound of Powerless Rise more