SOMETHING FROM NOTHING ? [OFFICIAL] Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss [HD] 02-04-12
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- Join critically-acclaimed author and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and world-renowned theoretical physicist and author Lawrence Krauss as they discuss biology, cosmology, religion, and a host of other topics.
The authors will also discuss their new books. Dawkins recently published The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True, an exploration of the magic of discovery embodied in the practice of science. Written for all age groups, the book moves forward from historical examples of supernatural explanations of natural phenomena to focus on the actual science behind how the world works.
Krauss's latest book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing, explains the scientific advances that provide insight into how the universe formed. Krauss tackles the age-old assumption that something cannot arise from nothing by arguing that not only can something arise from nothing, but something will always arise from nothing.
Founded in 2008, the ASU Origins Project is a university-wide transdisciplinary initiative aimed at facilitating cutting edge research and inquiry about origins questions, enhancing public science literacy, and improving science education. Since its inception, the Origins Project has brought the world's leading scientists, including Nobel Prize winners, to Tempe to explore origins questions. The Origins Project has hosted workshops and public events that have focused on questions as fundamental as the origin of the universe, how life began, the origins of human uniqueness, and the origins of morality. - Věda a technologie
I never realized Dr. Krauss was this humble. He doubtless could have interjected many times to supplement what Dr. Dawkins was saying, but he held back. If I had to choose between a conversation with Dr. Dawkins, and being knighted by the queen, I would choose the former. Of course, the same applies for Dr. Krauss, in case he reads this lol
You better home the Queen doesn't read this.
Well the queen’s dead so….💀💀
You're kidding right? He's telling him everything he wants to hear. Of course he's going to be humble.
@@fordhamdonnington2738They didn’t even agree on everything in this video.
Same. Granted I’m American. lol.
"My grandfather wasn't a monkey."
"Well in your case thats not so clear." This made me lol
it makes sure ur born to pig bro
@Christ is king just quoting a ridiculous book is no evidence for god, jesus etc. But using too many capital letters is a evidence for a dumb-assed mind.
personal testimonies without scientific proof are just nice fairy-tales.
This made you because you obviously lack education. And so does the one who said it.
@Christ is king Go fuck yourself.
@@markoheneka I think it's clear as crystal that "green eggs and ham by Dr Seuss" has more depth than your ability could strain with much effort to grasp!!
Let's be fair here though and give you a chance!... A brand new start in fact with some positive motivation!!
Why don't you gather up all your reference material and rubber bands and create a book for all of us to live by as I am sure it will be a number one best seller throughout the entire world!!
It's very obvious to me that you are up for the challenge as you present to be a very humble and wise soul so please put your money where your mouth is and give us the gold!!
I would love to see what you come up with!! I will even design the cover for you and free of charge!
I am sure that you will be remembered let's say in 2,000 years from now!!
Internet Atheist bullies are only remembered for a brief time and that's because they have no class or quality of character with nothing substantial or productive to say!...
You know simple cowards!
"something from nothing" sounds like my ex when ever she starts arguements with me.
Lol good one!
@Robert Vann Complete nonsense, check your facts before your argue bucko.
@@jeannedarc7533 How about "Nothing" happens without a force acting on it. High school physics F=ma pounds
@Robert Vann 😅😂🤣 Some men just cain’t be hepped. Keep your eyes on the ground, your rabbit’s foot in your pocket, your holy book in your hand. Pobrecito. 🙄
On point . Once you are married u will have an infinite nothings culminating to mutiple somethings
I sorely miss Christopher Hitchens, but so very glad we still have these erudite gentlemen to keep illuminating truth seekers against brain-washing, pseudo-science, superstitions and delusions.
There are several other reasonable folk out there, including de Grasse Tyson, and even General Melchet (Stephen Fry).
@@ohgosh5892 Indeed, I’m in complete agreement with you about those gentlemen, and don’t forget Steven Pinker and Sean Carrol too, they are amazing. As you probably know, the ever clever Stephen Fry was a good friend of Hitchens.
@@AFMMarcelD Indeed. We just need some equivalent folk to take on brexit and the current tory government. I'm no longer prepared to tolerate tory lies any further.
If anything, I think Matt Delahunty is even better. he knows the bible from top to bottom and can see through BS from 5 miles
@@patman142 What's fascinating about such people is that despite being indoctrinated with religion they saw the light and became aware of the bullshit of religion and stopped believing in God too whereas on the other hand there's me who doesn't believe in religion at all and also doesn't want to believe in God but can't because it scares me that something bad will happen to me. And it's very frustrating. Even writing this is giving me anxiety 😰
Lawrence's and Richard's penchant for humor make it clear that the pursuit of learning is a joy ...
***** as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!
daryl H
" as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!"
*_What "liberates" YOU is to believe that THE UNIVERSE CAME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_HOW is that sort of "liberation" different from TAKING LEAVE OF YOUR SENSES AND SANITY?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki Aminu nice they took your straightjacket off long enough for you to peck at your keypad ...
daryl H
"nice they took your straightjacket off long enough for you to peck at your keypad ..."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_In the meantime, YOU are the one who believes that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, aren't you?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki Aminu all the gods came from nothing more than ignorant imaginations ... sorry your ancestors were Bonobos who didn't quite know whether to eat the banana or sit on it ...
Such incredibly knowledgeable people. Their critical thinking skills are amazing. We need more people like them in this world. And so glad both of them are professors/educators for younger people eager to learn.
*****
Ha ha,
So you would advise against youngsters learning how to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women? ... : ))
L.Ron Dow
Ha ha,
I was replying to what was perhaps a more sensible person and not a dishonest gossiper, name caller and slanderer, with only love for himself:
As you show yourself to be!
Who thinks himself too high and mighty to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill!
Like all criminals!
And it is because you know only the evil of Atheism! ... : ))
*****
1 Peter 3:9
This may not happen until religion is thrown out of this world.
*****
Ha ha,
And none more so to be "Thrown out of this world" than all of you who religiously worship yourselves to be above all that is "Truth" in his true teaching, through the dishonesty hate and slander that becomes the false religion and the evil cult; Atheism; a false God of all self-worship, self-righteousness and all such self-deceit! ... : ))
- Matthew 12; 30-37 -
I was a believer simply because my parents took me to church and raised me as such... I became an atheist in 9th grade and stayed that way for 14 years. I "found" God as they say sometime after that. I struggled very much with faith because like most of you on here I am a critical thinker, analytical, cynical and question most things. Because of this I have a much more mature faith then when I was a child. I sought out "truth" in several religions. I enjoy watching video's like this because I want to challenge myself, I do not simply want to believe in something just because its what make me feel warm and fuzzy. I choose to believe because in my life it's what seems to be most logical. Some deductive reasoning brought me here. But I am who I am so I will not lie to myself, faith does not come easy for me. The doubts will always be there for me and I am okay with that. No need for all the fighting on here, everybody in this comment section is friends with or loves someone who is an atheist or believer. Mutual respect.
@Benny Rich was at reconciliation three weeks ago my friend. But please be careful uttering such phrases as they can be divisive. There is Grace to be had is almost all denominations of Christianity and I have no doubt there are those in Heaven whom never stepped foot in a Catholic church. Yes, we have the sacraments and the Bible teaches to participate in them in order to be in more perfect union. I agree. However God can claim whomever he wants and there are holy and righteous people that will make it, maybe they go to purgatory first, who knows.
Atheism is not a unified state . Rational Skeptics get it right.
@@pooddescrewch8718 Rational skepticisms is my natural mind state. A "leap" a faith for me is is a massive jump over a chasm. But I learned a lot in the argument for a God from teachings from Aquinas, Edith Stein and many many more.
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter my man, who are talking to and what are you going on about?
Hmmmmm.......
God put two hundred billion trillion stars into the sky just to make it look nice at night when we can only see around 5,000 of them with the naked eye?
Critical, analytical questions please.
I WANT KRAUSS AS MY BANK MANAGER....something from nothing
Unfortunately, you are much closer to reality than you think. Did you ever wonder where the never-ending inflation is coming from? Banks do indeed fabricate "money" out of nothing - only they do it to inflate their own worth in the form of debt obligations. This is in fact what happens every time you go and get a loan; They actually create your debt out of nothing. It is a perfectly legalized way to manipulate the money supply, known as 'fractional reserve banking', which is a very dirty and well-kept but could be regarded the most important secret in the world. It is effectively a scam which defrauds you of your wealth. The U.S. government even recently used the corona situation as a pretext to reduce the reserve requirements on some loans to zero. If you want to know how it works, watch the first chapter of Peter Joseph's 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' here, and prepare to have your mind blown: czcams.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/video.html
@@ole555 Everyone needs to know this. It is indeed one of the most kept secret. the corona situation shows what politics actually is: brainwash people into allowing their wealth and rights to be taken away.
Not just the money value. It gets used to force people to buy masks. This is greatly abused and the reason why it is widely endorsed despite the people advocating against it at first when they were not available suddenly changed their mind.
their are other equally abused concepts that are as dangerous as a forced inflation.
Racism and Society issues get abused the same way. They cast fear of persecution into the mind of minorities to use words like racist to discredit people when they made sense. Thats also where all the rape accusations of famous people suddenly come from.
All politics is is brainwashing people to like their own oppression.
As example, in Germany you get brainwashed to not be opposed to refugees even if they commit crimes. The government makes an active effort to get more into the country. Why? because they get lots of money from the state that come feom taxes that end up in the hands of people owning the real estate they live in and so on. thats why left wing politics tries to make not working people get more money. Its essentially a way to rob the tax money by controlling where it ends up in the end.
Same with climate change. All trash is made by companies selling it with everything you buy. When u throw it away, it gets sold by companies or dumped in the sea for financial reason. Same with gases. they all get produced by producing products to be sold. But people are brainwashed to think they as consumers are damaging the enviroment or the air by driving cars. All that to push products and laws that restrict your freedom in way that benefits the companies responsible.
Essentially everything gets twisted and used to take money away. The problem is that it can only be stopped by enough people realizing it, but that will never happen.
@@ole555 Well since the alternative is much worse, most countries aim for an inflation on par with the industrial annual efficiency improvement.
@@freddan6fly First of all, how is "the alternative" worse? You mean an _actually government-issued_ currency without a profit motive behind its control and without debt directly built into its very creation would somehow make the world worse? Or are you maybe just positing the old propaganda canard that the central banks are "stabilizing" the economy and protecting us from the business cycle? Second of all, if that is really what the countries are trying to do, they seem to have incredibly bad aim, considering that the effective buying power of a unit of currency has only dropped precipitously for maybe centuries all over the industrialized world. I guess government economists are just too stupid to simply look at a graph of the absolute index of the official poverty line over time and see how wrong they (and you) are.
The whole monetary scheme is quite obviously designed to systematically benefit the people who don't need loans and fleece the people who are dependent on them. The debt-currency scam should be the easiest part of it to understand.
@@ole555 Check out Japans recently 25 years of deflation because they did not want to admit to have made a mistake. Negative growth for 25 years.
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss are both amazing men! I absolutely love listening to them speak!
IMBÉCILES ....L E S C O N V I E N E N O C R E E R E N D I O S E N A R A S D E S U A R R O G A N C I A P E R V E R S A.
And now progressives strip Richard Dawkins if humanism awards.
I have to thank Richard Dawkins for making me interested in science.... now I'm a nerd and it's the best type of person I could have ever been...
takudzwa mazwienduna You just get dumber if you believe in theory....
Kill Bill do u know what the word theory means in science? Stfu
Kill Bill ah, I disbelieve in the theory of gravity, I have gained 100 IQ!
Cheshire Tiger Has a fellow nerd and science lover I can show overwhelming evidence of there being a creative intelligence behind all that exists. I do quite welcome any challenges to the contrary...
Cheshire Tiger yes but in all intellectual honesty can I not say the very same of you?
thank you for the conversation
An agnostic from Pakistan. I'm always excited to learn something new. Wish I am in America and enjoy these discourses live. Love these intellectuals. ✌️
So by some means you consider them prophets of Atheism ?
Warning for those who are mentally sane, do not read comments below you will lose it.
JTB Pred
Ha ha,
Do you mean a "Warning" for the "Mentally" insane, who don't want to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women?
And who have already lost it?... : ))
*****
i was referring to the smart people... you know the atheists...
JTB Pred
"i was referring to the smart people... you know the atheists..."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_If they are made INSANE by reading mere COMMENTS from other folk, they're not that smart, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
JTB Pred This is the third warning down...
Challenge accepted.
***** the loser here is you, I didnt know you like eating bull shit that nasty.. ***** if you never started taking stupid pill you still be a Christian...
I was lucky enough to meet Lawrence Krauss this weekend and hear him speak and every time I hear him speak I get a better picture of not only the universe but also why there is such misconceptions about it in religious and faith based circles.
Those that are religious do NOT like new information and what little new information they allow in is already a hundred years old because it takes them that long to adapt it so that it fits into their beliefs and can reinterpret what they find in the bible and other scriptures in order to let it fit the new information.
For a very long time the earth was the center of the known univers and what is known for sure was paultry. Just a few planets and everything else were just dots poked into the shroud that lay beyond and I guess what lay beyond was the kingdom of heaven. God was easy to accept and our place was the universe and it was ALL about us.
As Krauss says, 85 years ago what was known about the universe was that it was just our galaxy and it was fixed, permanent in time and unchanged - THAT is something that with some effort can be attributed to a god, ALMOST. Major mental gymnastics need to be done to reconcile that information but I can see how it could be done.
Now we know there are BILLIONS of galaxies and pretty much know that the universe had a specific start and is spreading out forever so how can you reconcile that with the idea of a god? You ignore it or push what you think is god out beyond it.
To conceit from the earth being the universe to accepting that we are the smallest spec of dust in relationship to the universe is impossible to believe that a god made the universe for us. And yet people work very very very hard to convince themselves of just that.
Religion is based on a lack of knowledge and before people had the excuse that the information was not available.
Now there is so much information available that there is NO excuse to still believe there is a god that created a universe for us so the only way people can do it is to simply NOT ACCEPT the information and purposefully completely change the concept of god to encompass it.
To believe in a god is to lie to yourself.
To believe there is a god is to choose ignorance.
To have a god is to deny reality in favor of something that doesn't scare you.
God is just a concept and a concept is something we use to encompass a great many thing into a single thing to make it easier to understand.
You met Krauss too! So jealous man. He is such a great voice for atheism.
God exists Tom, like it or not.
*****
What demonstrable evidence do you have for this claim.
Colin Barr Easy, this Universe didn't cause itself, just because.
Where did the energy and matter come from?
Why was there a big bang?
Why is this, the only planet with life, that evolved on it?
If you think this is all by chance, then you have more faith than anyone, who believes in God or the afterlife.
We have much to learn as a species.
Keep an open mind.
Best wishes.
***** Thor exists like it or not. Flying pink unicorns exist like it or not. AND there is a flying spaghetti monster that has reached god status, like it or not.
And YOU can not prove any of them aren't. Buddy.
haven't heard much of Krauss' talks but what a beautiful mind
Men of reason. Proud of these two.
Yes, something from nothing is very reasonable. Catch the sarcasm.
@@ladyzelda4323 Ahh you're right. So something must come from a god. Catch the sarcasm.
You can reserve your pride for them. Their cups are already overflowing in their own pride.
@@stell4r1 Agreed there, a lot of pride on both sides of the debate if you ask me.
@@niceshotmano The difference is if your working on your relationship with God your not seeking pride or admiration from men. It becomes more and more worthless to you.
The point that Dawkins made about pigeons in skinner-boxs was probably the simplest explanation for existence of religion I have ever heard. Thank you!
Amen! LOL😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for pointing that out it made me actually listen more intently to the video. I was gonna sit and listen passively. The fact that he said that broadens my mind horizon. Thanks again
God damn he finally talked about skinner boxes 2 hours in god damn I listened to the whole thing for that what a fukcing life
I'm not sure who penned this quote but I remember reading "Science asks questions that may never be answered while religion offers answers that may never be questioned". It has stuck with me ever since.
Hello Friend , wanted to share this debate with you , that you would see the other side of evolution, did the universe created it self our did some intelligent Being created it .
God bless you !
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I would rather living with questions I cannot answer than to live with answers I cannot question .
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 I would rather live whit the truth ,than believe in vain thinks.
@@karoliskarolis5514 I do not care what dreck you rather . Buzz off .
I like the double meaning of may here, pointing out both probability and being allowed to do something
The fact that this shows up after the video I was watching is all the proof I need that the programmers at youtube are pinky and the brain.
Yup
Why? Was it after a top 10 “fat people falling and crying” video? Lol.
@@fashizzlemanizzle4808 I didn't see that one. Was it hosted by Simon Whistler?
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter Yes I have. I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm a member of the alien species plotting world domination. Our plan is to confuse the human race into submission. That's why we start all of these conspiracy theories. We make people like you believe in crazy things so when we come to take over the world, nobody will ever believe you. Shh, don't tell anyone.
"Sophisticated Theologian"
I'm surprised Richard and Lawrence didn't cackle at that.
Erroneous beliefs can be attained theough sophisticated means .
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One thing I have always understood was that trying to believe means you do not . Faking belief is also pointless . If there is an all knowing god it will definitwly call you on your bullshit .
How have 667 people disliked this shit? This shit is genius! Lawrence Krauss is a genius, and Richard Dawkins is just beyond definition in modern or relevant terms.
Tyler Fisher
Ha ha,
Matthew 7; 13-14 ... : ))
***** why are you on a science video trying to talk religion. youd do alot better commenting on one of ken hams videos.
***** Sounds like you're the one going through the wide gate
richard dawkins is british
Outside of his Bio Lab, Dawkins is just another guy with an opinion, same as you or i. Because he ( or any other scientist) is an expert in their science, that does not necessarily mean their views have any more validity than anyone else's. In fact Dawkins has been spectacularly wrong in so many things. From McCain, to Assange, to the fake Trump/Russia collusion etc. It baffles me that his fans ignore these blunders and still believe him when he tells them his views on the BIG questions. The guy lives in a bubble of privilege, and has little idea of the real world.
It's true that the idea of eternity, let alone torture for eternity, is so beyond our comprehension that Abrahamic religion took advantage of this, using fear to convert and spread.
Thank you, Dr. Dawkins for articulating my feelings about the religious brainwashing of young children. My mother was a "devout Catholic", and started pumping religious BS into my mind as soon as I could understand language. I was a quick learner, so I got started early, and became so proficient in the mythology that I was selected by adults to teach other children when I was 12. However, that is precisely when my mind began to question things which I was told, and I started gravitating towards reality, a state I acquired around the time I was 13. I call what was done to me as a child, "Soul Rape", which as a Catholic, isn't as bad as it could have been. To this day, and I am 76 and am a fact, data, science-based person today, religious reflexive thoughts enter my mind. You used the word "brainwashing", which is precisely the word I use, as it aptly describes the process and the life-long damage done. Don't get me started on organized religion as a whole. Great discussion,
So well expressed! My being a daughter of Evangelical Fundamentalist Southern Baptist missionaries to (former) Belgian Congo in the 60's gives me one THOUSAND percent perspective on the evils done by religion. The denial of logic by all religions is mind jarring. That we should NOT use our innate search for truth is SO very incomprehensible to me. The slaps and whippings I received for "doubting" the WORD OF GOD are memories still with me. I am 80 years of age and still loving to learn from giants such as Richard Dawkins and his ilk.
@@gailbrowning5436 Interesting how you appeal to logic. Does logic exist independently of human minds? If so, does that make it immaterial? And if so, where does this immaterial force of logic find its grounding? What grounds logic independent of human minds?
@@100_1OO________1 Dude, logic is an isomorphism to set theory... which is what your grocer uses to sort apples into one basket and cherries into another. Of course "set theory exists independently of the human mind": it's the most trivial aspect of classical physical objects. That "math works so well to describe reality" has a totally trivial reason: we extracted the basic rules used by mathematicians from reality. ;-)
@@schmetterling4477 You affirmed the first part of my question but didn't address the others. Logic is now confirmed to exist beyond human minds. Does that make logic immaterial? And if so, where does this immaterial force of logic find its grounding? What grounds logic independent of human minds?
@@100_1OO________1 Logic is not immaterial. Nature implements a subset of it in the classical world. As far as abstracts are concerned the application of logic always requires an existence proof, first. Why? Because in propositional logic (A is a property of the elements of S and not A is a property of the elements of S) is trivially true if S is the empty set. And once you have that, you can prove anything about the empty set, which makes logic completely useless UNLESS you prove first that your set S contains at least one element. Did you pay any attention in math class? I don't think you did. ;-)
I am a theist. I believe in Frank Turek, God of Baseless Assumptions, Empty Assertions, and Abject Stupidity.
wow, 5 +1's from an accidental comment! CZcams sometimes glitches out when you watch playlists of videos. This comment was intended for a video of the first Hitchens vs Turek debate where Hitchens, while obviously not on his best day, and appearing to be ill, so thoroughly crushed Turek, that I felt bad for petty anti-intellectual. As ridiculous and nonsensical and utterly fallacious as Christian apologists are on their best day, Turek is the worst I have ever seen.
Also, I wonder if I can pander for more +1s for saying. _The Unbelievers_ was a great movie? ;)
^ pretty much.. your precious "science" is the new inquisition
Bill hicks
Tbf I gave you a like for the Bill Hicks avatar not so much the actual comment 😄
Amazing. Thanks fo publishing.
When I listen to men of knowledge, integrity and wonder my mind is like a dry sponge so eager to absorb as much as I can. There are so few people who excite my senses in such a way. Even if I just learn a fraction of what they are saying it’s so worth it. I get hope for the future and mankind as long as we have brilliant people like Dawkins to fertilize our imaginations.
M M Man : steady on, just what are you going to do with all this knowledge? ....... Not going to be on the web scamming people, that you can cure warts are you....?
@@davidbanner6230 What? Everything we learn can be used in countless ways. Why would you link learning with scamming people? It’s those people who don’t learn who make easy targets for con men, like all Christians who have been scammed into believing in a god that is a serial mass murderer that loves genocide, is a misogynist and loves rape, incest, and all kinds of horrendous behaviors. Oh yeah, he loves animal, blood and human sacrifices too. How can anyone believe an insane book written almost exclusively by anonymous primitive, barbaric men?
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@MovieMakingMan I exactly understand what you are saying. I feel the same way. Do you know any such community so we can express ourselves freely??
Lawrence is the first guy I see yo make Dawkins laugh
It's just beautiful… Two intelligent, cultured people talking. No moderators needed.
I bet you forgot you commented this
No one has seen nothing.
This is so great. These two people are gentlemen. When they disagree, they do it politely.
*_That's because they're not really debating with one another but spreading the same atheistic propaganda. Look how they disagree with people from the audience though. Hardly polite, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
shinarit its all staged Moron
@@ZakiAminu1 Good joke
@@markanthonyk1504 Who cares
@@anapaulapedro7025 What do you mean who cares? Of course we will care if its staged.
If knowledge is power then blind faith is the absence of power .
Its the surrender of the capacity to empower oneself .
This is gold. Thank you.
Wonderful program! May I request, please, that all Origins -type discussions be Closed Captioned? If one finds it difficult to hear, it's most discouraging trying to keep in touch with modern scientific rational, thought. It's so important .
38:50 Echoes of Douglas Adams ;-)
I remember going (or rather being sent) to bible school every wednesday and there I was told about St Thomas who didn't believe Jesus was back from hell or whatever and wanted proof of that by seeing his wounds.
It seems like a very healthy attitude, to demand proof for extraordinary claims. But St Thomas was protrayed as a bad guy for that.
Religion teaches children to believe everything they're told without thinking.
Skg Extraordinary claims ? How about this one : Something can come from Nothing ! That is the most extraordinary claim I have ever heard. How is this claim less extraordinary than the claim that God exists ?
Steve MetalHammer If you would understand physics you would know how you cang get something from nothing, also there is evidence for big bang
+Steve MetalHammer Its the same claim. If God exists and created everything then where did he come from? If something cannot come from nothing that makes no sense because God could not have "willed" himself into existence.
It's like saying God can do anything and nothing is impossible for him, but that means he cannot create something that is impossible for him to do. So that becomes impossible even for him. It is a nonsensical paradox.
***** fart
***** good, but you can get something from nothing
Most people who say they believe really do not .... they concede the fight
We are still learning let’s not forget
I have assignments to do, and I just cant stop watching :(
Best thing I’ve watched among many great discussions, 2 sublime minds.
Dawg they still can’t explain the original genes. It’s because they’re atheists and can’t explain why. It’s because a creator is mandatory, aka God.
Speedious
You can’t explain the original god.
So fuck off.
I loved this discussion
The fact that this video has millions of views gives me a small glimmer of hope
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I watched this whole video in full screen and by the end I forgot I was on CZcams. Imagine the horror when I re-size the video and go from an intelligent conversation between two elite scientists to the roiling cauldron of vomit that is the CZcams comment section.
PoofyKittyPants
Ha ha,
Then why have you added your own words of "roiling cauldron of vomit that is the CZcams comment section" to this comment section? ... ; ))
***** Because I try to improve things that I find lacking in quality.
PoofyKittyPants
Ha ha,
Then why not try living outside of yourself and outside your own limitation of thought that you unkindly put into words about my thought (Perhaps?) put into comments as invited by CZcams in the box provided above?
Try living in the thought and in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women.
That of which Yeshua sacrificed his flesh and blood to teach us! ... ; ))
***** An ellipsis is used to truncate a sentence when the truncated part adds no relevant idea.
I thoroughly enjoyed this program. Not much more needs saying.
Anyone else end up here from falling asleep with autoplay on?
Me, Ha ha ha ha!
nope u should rewatch it tho
Shout out and giga props to the stenographer who kept up with these to legends talking for two hours!
This entire comments section is dedicated to the intellectually shallow judging the intellectually deep as "stupid". Congrats on getting it completely ass backwards.
+waynebollman Welcome to the mad-house.
Which group is the intellectually shallow?
I don't see why there are so many comments calling religious people stupid. Just explain to them what theory means. Help them out to discover science.
Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, both of them are my favorite scientists!
Zem Kerrek what have they said that is a lie?
Mr.dawķins.someone.is.pulling.your.leg.6000.years.is.aprox..thé.sophisticated.awareness.ofsignificant.human.knowledge.
Awesome. Thanks so much!!
I am in utter shock that 2.3 K people did not like this video. I wonder what church they belong to that did them such an injustice.
What a dumb comment.
"Richard? Richard! Come back out for applause. Richard... come back out....for....applause.. where do you think you're going?"
I much prefer this than debating theists who have nothing rational to say. I used to like watching those debates but what's the point, why give them the air of respectability by letting them share the stage with some proper thinkers, the time has come to treat them like the strange man on the bus, just ignore them and let them stay in their own weird world .
+Old timer
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_You atheists have been HUMILIATED so much by theists in debate that you now avoid them, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nurse ! Nurse! Zaki Aming has stopped taking his tablets.
Old timer
"Nurse ! Nurse! Zaki Aming has stopped taking his tablets."
Hahahahahahahahahaha! *_Don't get so excited Old Timer! Your colostomy bag will come lose again and spread SHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE THE LAST TIME! YOU WILL HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP THIS TIME!_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Old timer hint - I blocked troll Zaki some time ago so i don't see any posts by the fool, and after i did that, food tasted better, my grass looked greener, my sheets smelled fresher, and my car burned less oil. I highly recommend it!
+t r andrews Yes…Blind and brainless followers of these 2 charlatans who can not defend their positions do need to block reason to believe the nasty food coming from these 2.
science is not about finding the answers to everything, its more about asking why things happen as they do, and dismissing those that have no evidence of their claims at all.
Can't even remember how many times I've watched this video. Has to be their very best talk.
yeah nice fiction talk with no basis in nature and no foundation in science. this is what is called scientism.
theories based on the mental degeneration of the person, actually ignoring laws of nature that we have alraedy proven.
do not let them fool you and listen critically. ask the right questions.
@@pekbekmkek6310 you're too bound towards the hidden assumption that "naturalism is true", but it's not.
@@shawnchristophermalig4339 no surely not, as much as materialistic scientism isnt.
earth was created and so nature is part of creation.
... so far.
Whackadoos on this thread
If creationists don't think that something can come from nothing, what do they think god made the universe out of?
+The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
*_Creationists DON'T ACCEPT that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!_*
*_As for the second part of your question, God made the universe OUT OF HIS OMNIPOTENT WILL!_*
That makes no sense. Out of his will? Where did he get the materials from?
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
"That makes no sense. Out of his will? Where did he get the materials from?"
*_ALL OF MATTER is a PRODUCT of God's Will too!_*
How do you know this?
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
"How do you know this?"
*_Before Matter came to be, IT HAD TO BE ALREADY POSSIBLE, didn't it? And WHERE ELSE do you think that POSSIBILITY of its coming into existence resided - IF NOT IN ITS CREATOR?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
It's always so satisfying to my mind (not joy or happiness) that you can learn so much from two great minds in science.
Great minds? Now I heard everything.🤦🏻♂️
mcdus78
Do you have any clue what these two have accomplished?
Bleh Yes. For being the most bigots on the face of the earth.
mcdus78
I think you overestimate your intelligence
How to molest women for years and get a way with it. Them and OJ are biggest legends in escaping the law. But he at least had Naked Gun movies, they don't even have that. Just old, sad, sexual offenders looking on each other thinking of "mild prison rape" or something...
I can’t believe this is 10 years ago
some play music; some go hiking; some go biking;
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
engage in intellectual exercises just for fun...
There's nothing scientific about the statement: "Something from Nothing". Just plain stupidity, yet gullible mediocres buy it!
@@aprilgroup6143 I listened to merely 9:25 - 10:15. (I must have listened to the part leading up to that some time ago-but I don’t recall). People that allow in that kind of drivel (as from an authority) are not likely to be interested in how we actually got here. Intellectually, it’s dishonest... Like the blind leading the blind-both fall into a pit.
@@aprilgroup6143 It really is stupid.
@@ericbitzer5247 mmm
Lol lookit the triggered
These guys are amazing to listen to!
*****
Ha ha,
Yes truly shocking! You'd think they'd know better, because for "Truth" nothing is impossible! ... : ))
@@A-Aart what
@@A-Aart Actually makes sense to me.
@@ericbitzer5247 what is your blieve? If I can ask, i am a Muslim.
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The world needs more individuals like these two and fewer flocks of sheep.
I totally agree.
@104400498532801847067
Ha ha,
Makes me sick!
Better to be a lamb of God than be misguided by the dishonest deceitful and false word of Atheism... :))
*****
Ha ha,
Why?
I have already said in so many words!
So therefore I will put it in this way:
I am not guided by the dishonest deceitful and false word of Atheism!
I am guided only by the word of "Truth" that of Yeshua who teaches us how to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women that of God:
And it is this of which the word of "Atheism" is absurdly against and uses all manner of dishonesty deceit and falsity in attempt to turn the heads of people away from such teaching... :))
*****
Ha ha,
But of course!
I am aware that of which we are told by scientists that the start of our expanding Universe (aka Big-Bang) occurred 13.82 billion Earth years ago and they claim it as the word of "Truth" and I accept it as such!
I am up with, as much as it is possible for one who is not involved, the latest so-called "Higg's boson" model!
I take the Bible as it is meant to be taken:
For example: "Adam" and "Eve" of which, if one researches, turns out that "Adam" means "Man" (i.e. that of Mankind) and "Eve" as that of Man or the Mother of all women:
And therefore the Bible is ageless and it describes you and me (Mankind) as all Adam and Eves, and the "Taking Serpent" is metaphor for "Temptation" and thus the talking snake within each one of us that tempts us after the age of our innocence into all sorts of awful things!
However, I do take the New Testament literally as it is meant to be taken,
Because I recognise the words of Yeshua as the word of "Truth" of which no man or woman can separate me or tear me from! ... :))
*****
Ha ha,
With all due respect for you as a fellow human and neighbour, you only repeat what you hear through the word of "Atheism" and like all those who only follow the word of "Atheism" you do not take time out to study for yourself that of which you repeat:
Because I have heard it all before!
However, this is what i know through study:
The first three Gospels:
That of Matthew Mark and Luke are “synoptic” and were thus eyewitness accounts of which were collated to form the first three Gospels:
And the explanation of how this was achieved can be found at the beginning of the Gospel of Luke.
The Gospel of John is a “narrative” and was therefore eye-witnessed recorded and written by the disciple of Yeshua, John!
Of which can be seen and noted at John 21; 24!
So please do not let anyone mislead you otherwise with unsubstantiated evidence or in any other which way but truth!
And if you try to come back with any unsubstantiated evidence to the contrary then I will pay no heed! ... :))
Thank you.
Mr Krauss's enthusiasm and knowledge regarding the universe et al is very impressive. He is a captivating educator as well. While I vehemently disagree with his political opinions, I respect his ability to challenge and reevaluate the standing mores of the days past.
creationism is the opposite of Science. In a nutshell, Science observes, then explains. creationism starts with a rigid conclusion and then looks around for natural phenomena that might support this conclusion.
Science does observe... observes God's creation! Not looking for natural phenomena. A painting doesn't need proof that someone painted it. Our very existence is supernatural. Created. As an artist creates artwork first and foremost from his own expression, works the tools and paints he's gathered to craft a blank canvas into a beautiful painting.
@Make Me Believe Scientism certainly observes many deaths in evidence of its own cult like status quo. Good science is good science. Scientism is an unjustified cult based on poor never proven theory for tighter social control and change. Again, good science is good science. However, stating something came from nothing is moronic. Something comes from something. Some thing never comes from no thing and nothing certainly is not pre-existing gases and atoms waiting to randomly collide and bang. These morons have tried to say they have replicated this in experiments before, completely ignorant of the very fact these experiments were created by a pair of hands and a mind in the first place. As we are little creators made in the image of God. He creates, we create. These fools see nothing more than biological androids and just numbers. Never been replicated.
@@lambislion7485
If nothing comes from nothing where did your God come from?
@@lambislion7485 People who believe in god are the only ones claiming something came from nothing. It is a straw man argument. Scientifically we don't understanding nothing because nothing has never been observed so it is nonsensical. Abiogenesis is the frontier we are trying to get to, however we are constantly fighting morons who claim they know we came from a god which is a completely made up idea from the mind of primitive human beings.
@@SBayne762 people who believe in God see God similar to how scientists see the universe
I do agree that it is hard to grasp the time scale. Recently I was explaining to my 11 years old daughter how the megafauna has died. I told her that this happened not long time ago, about 10000 years ago. She directly asked me what do I mean by "not long ago". It was an interesting question. For almost every time scale I can take it was not long ago as in comparison with 13 billion of the universe, 4.5 billion of planet earth, 64 millions of dinosaurs being gone to heaven :-) or even 3 millions of human evolution megafauna died just a moment ago. My daughter did understand this concept and I felt sorry for all those creationists who didn't have somebody to explain to them the world.
You told your daughter a lot of bullshit f.ex. That the dinosaurs went to heaven. Laughable!
The video quality is amazing for a live talk show.
I remember being a kid going to church (Methodist) and being convinced that these amazing, scientifically literate men and women speaking out and engaging in the incredible defense of atheist modes of thinking were essentially modern-day villains. We were being taught that these people who spoke up against religion and against the church were intrinsically evil and were lead astray by the devil to persuade us all into damnation. I am so immeasurably glad that I picked up a book on astrophysics and particle physics and got interested in science and its vast and diverse fields of study in order to shed the cloth "wool" from my eyes so that I can see clearly what life has to offer. I feel so much more alive as an "anti-theist" than I ever did as a Christian. only about 3 years into my newly free life and I absolutely have no interest in turning back. I in fact cannot even think of the possibility of ever believing in a religion of any kind ever again. I'm glad to have found a community of like-minded people who actually encourage debate and rational thinking rather than just "leaving it in the hands of the lord".
Thats called indoctrination and insulation
Beautiful comment
You irrationally made anti-theism a meaning for your life. I suggest reading some philosophy books and also about some other religions before jumping into this train.
@@tunahankaratay1523 how on earth is being against religion a "train" as you put it?
@@tunahankaratay1523 also I see shopping around religions to see which one fits my moral fortitude best as a complete waste of time and anyone who chooses to do so is incapable of seeing religion for what it truly is.
I am an American Atheist. we exist.
Jack jr Verrelli
Yeah, there's all sorts! Doesn't mean they're all alright! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
*****
"Someone's had a bad day."
What happened to you?
*****
"So sad watching failed minds such as yours. Bigotry knows no boundaries."
But, aren't you one of those who believe that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS? Is it even POSSIBLE to have a better example of a failed mind than that? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Jack jr Verrelli I do not believe in you.
+Toten Kommando Now you seem to have an overwhelming obsession of Anti-Christian sentiment. A vicious cycle.
Don't reply to someone who is begging for attention.
This video is a universal treasure
Yes, one of the best comedy stand ups ever, like that "something from nothing" joke killed it, I was laughing so hard XD
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I still don't know or understand how there is something rather than nothing, but I sure learned a lot of other ”stuff,”especially with this conversational format.
Well, try to think of it this way. You were nothing, forever before you were born.
And when I say you. The don’t mean the physical you.
@@Totaro17 In my mind, there is only a “me” because only I know what my mind thinks.** I presume my subconscious is conscious, but I just don’t consciously know what it is thinking. I saw my lack of free will the other day when I asked my grandson to hand me a jar of peanut butter, but what came out of my mouth was “hand me the pliers.” I literally shook my head with a double-take and said, “what the heck, why did I say pliers?” It’s kinda scary when 67 years old. It gave me an appreciation for those with Tourettes.
**Of course, a god could read my mind if it existed, and a few people claim to read minds, but I’m unconvinced anything can read minds, at least not yet. Even the pseudo-science of polygraphy only “reads” physiological symptoms, not the mind.
Two of the highest quality people on earth.
And one day they both will turn to dust... Not so clever now...
@@howtofordummies6582 Who cares?
A GREAT DISCUSSION BETWEEN TWO GREAT MINDS.
that moment when you go on a binge of watching videos like this and realize after 20 vids one of the main people from them are dead and have been since 2011... :(
rip hitchens
I also found out about Hitch after his passing. Went through a sort of mourning that I still experience from time to time.
@Xavier Foisse for one atheists don't think the universe has arisen from nothing, no one has ever really made that claim in any concrete manner. (if you are referring to the big bang that is an evidence based theory garnered by scientist much smarter than me looking at stars, it in no way is stated to be the start of everything in reality but people seem to have that conception of it)
atheists directly claim they have no idea how the universe was formed and through exploring the universe and finding what bit of evidence that's available to us, we have found no reason or proof that would suggest gods exist. doesn't mean they don't, it just means the universe in our current understanding can exist without them
two; why the heck are you comparing flat earthers to atheists? i don't even know a good enough analogy for that one. you couldn't have picked two things furthest apart if you tried (im sure someone is going to read this and try and one up that now)
Atheism isn't a religion, its not even a belief. in fact its an expulsion of belief (if you want to get into the nitty gritty of semantics knock yourself out, i'm not biting that hook) the whole point of atheism is pretty much rejecting magic, gods, and the supernatural as no evidence is available to definitively prove any of it exists (subjective evidence and anecdotes generally aren't good enough to prove anything, provable means testable and repeatable)
who?
Xavier Foisse - Apparently, you don’t know what an atheist is. An atheist is not convinced there’s a god. That’s it. Atheists have different thoughts on the beginning of the universe - there isn’t an ‘atheists view” on it.
I would love to have heard Hitchen's critique of Trump as president. But I don't think you need much of an imagination for that.
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you did the right thing by saying Richard exist or you would have no show---well done SIR
Absolutely exquisite !
Although i'm an atheist, It never gets in my head these theories that something can come from nothing because nothing means literally NOTHING, no empty space, no laws of physics and nature, no chaos, no time, if something can come from nothing, then "nothing" doesn't exist.
My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing.
borntobustass
"My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing."
*_And that "ETERNITY" would be its CREATOR, would it not?_*
Sure. Why not? That's what I believe.
i don't think like that but i don't have any good theory, i guess there are things that unfortunately we will never know. I've just seen a debate with Neil deGrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krauss etc speending 2 hours talking about "Nothing" you should chek out. The video is "The Existance of Nothing"
Nothing is the word chosen to describe it, but it is not nothing as we understand it. Beyond that, we don't know yet what kind of nothing there was before proposed theories of the beginning of the universe. That's what we're trying to figure out. In the absence of proof that it was the Sky Fairy, we're better off using Occam's Razor and going on from there.
how not to love such a dialogue.
I miss the time when the sentence: "No-one in the adminstration said, its designed to kill us, lets forget about it" got a genuine laugh.
yeah they dont even have to discuss it cause they all know it's purpose.
LOVE your profile picture.
@@Keithmata7 Yes...stop viruses from killing people.
@@Yourlibrarian Thanks. Love your name.
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter
Well...there are many phenomena that are ONLY explained by the earth being a globe.
So what we see in the night-sky would make no sense at all if we would be a square or flat or pyramid shaped.
So we can literally SEE us revolving around the sun...long before we started to take photos of our planet from the distance.
Even some ancient greeks figured that out...with two sticks.
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And no...I personally have not been to space...but I also haven't been on top of the mount Everest or seen a giant squid...but I don't have any reason to believe that everyone who HAS been there or seen one lied to me. So people have been to space...and what they found there matches the things I can test from earth..while NONE of the things I can test on earth matches the idea of a flat plane...at least not with a basic understanding of physics.
And I know that flat earthers believe in loads of stuff they can't see...like dome or a magic magnetic mountain or an Ice ring or a second sun or other stuff.
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And no I haven't proven it myself...(if you don't count watching a sunrise) but I have not seen anyone disproving it...while not failing at elementary school physics.
I started to learn English just to understand about says Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins....it's good to know that I have like-minded people!!!!!Thank you...my god is science... :-)
Then the Christian God created your science, science did not come about from nothing, God created it.
Bunch of few Christians created science doesn't mean, there old ancient god is real or true in anyway
@@skyflix2594 A very negative name you have there! I would hope to think that it does not suck for others but if it does the answer is that man follows man and is enslaved by man!...You will not be saved by man!
I would respectfully state in response to your statement, " Bunch of few Christians created science doesn't mean, there old ancient god is real or true in anyway"
That it does not mean that God is not real either! One would have to know all things to state that God is not real and that presents a very real conundrum!
As you would then be God! which of course you are not! You (we) were in fact created by God!
@@graemel3069 "you will not be saved by man!" what do you mean by that?
"That it doesn't mean tht god is not real"
"you(we) were infact created by god"
Is there any evidence that you got to back up your claims??
We can say god isn't real on the fact that we didn't have any proof for God's existence, nor we do have any proof for the existence of magical, supernatural and paranormal phenomenon.
@@skyflix2594 You stated in your response post, "We can say god isn't real on the fact that we didn't have any proof for God's existence"
The statement you have made here does not show evidence that there is no God! It simply means that "you" have not found proof or evidence for God's existence to give you sufficient proof! That does not make it a fact that there is no God!
Matt Dillahunty who I listen to on occasion has not made the statement, " there is no God"...
Of course that does not stop anyone from making whatever statement they choose...
You ask for evidence for us being created by God...For me that proof is in science!
I do not believe that life can come into existence without a designer!...
Observing the functions in the cell for example the molecular motors! I do not believe that they could make themselves! they need an intelligent designer!...
Their functions are planned with a purpose and they are intricately designed to carry out their specific functions...as with all life!
As we know all the components would have to be complete and not placed together over a period of time.
They would also have to be placed in a specific sequence to function or the cell would die!
My statement, "you will not be saved by man!" means that we are living in very perilous and unpredictable times!
Man ruling over man has failed dismally...we have never been successful and never will be in ruling over ourselves! History has proven that thus far!
The mega rich rulers of this world are creating wars and using us as slaves to do their bidding!....93 percent of the world live in poverty, so hardly a success story!
I personally think that man is the greatest threat to man (humankind) above all else!
Sanity and logic can be so refreshing sometimes, especially after a day of explaining to believers that Noah probably did not really have room for enough Magic Refrigerators to keep all the fresh vegetation tasty for the animals for a whole year.
what?
***** The Ken Ham scientists on his payroll have concluded definitively with their precise calculations that Noah used the deadly methane gas from all the animal poop to power not only the Holy Magic Refrigerators, but also the air conditioning units to keep the polar bears content and the heaters to keep the tropical critters happy.
Noah kept Himself busy mostly trying to figure out what KIND of animal the platypus mammal was, with a duck's bill on the front end, the habit of laying eggs but no feathers, and a beaver's tail, actual fish eyes, the fur of a weasel, and real snake venom in spines on its hind legs and the webbed feet of a frog.
***** It is over! Be still
Is it birth. Let us await.
Kassandra Echebima LIFE is never still. Death is still. At birth we all await death as the sands of time slip away. Fear not! All is as it should be and you need not struggle so.
***** lol, lol
Death is not
Be still and observe
For surely a lost wanderer observes the compass
And a searching-man observes the Star
p:s It appears that the continuation of converse has allowed you to fabricate authority or a false reality, and in so doing uttering many litters of words that do not exist, not in meaning, and not in relevance. Anyhow, let us await, and see what is birth [and death, we seek against; the none-existent]; yet you shall bear what you have carried.
Truth
I love that they finished each other’s sentence @ 1:01:02
always a pleasure
I have not watched this video yet nor have I checked the comments, but reading the description prompted me to say that nothing is still something.
***** Nothing is still a thing.
***** Nothing is what's between your ears.
11ayl Nothing is still something. Matter is, so is antimatter. No matter is still something. Go and insult yourself.
One of the best!!
People's anecdotes will change from "I was at Woodstock" or "I was at that Sex Pistols gig" to "I saw Dawkins/Krauss having a conversation about science". I love it. 👌
Dawkins and I used to go bar hopping and pick up chicks.
Don't make gods of these people. Both support Israel even now as they commit genocide.
This is just 2 men bouncing ideas off each other to build their own confidence in what they believe. Thank you Richard Dawkins for helping to spread the Gospel.
And your post is n obvious , biased defense of a security blanket
You have described church . Not this discussion
@@KanekiKen-in3pf thank you for demonstrating you have absolutely no idea what it is that Christians believe
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 what? there's no conversation in church. it's just lecture
@@pooddescrewch8718 care to elaborate?
Great conversation....brilliant stuff
Lol
You Ex Shias need to go back to school and learn real science
Nah, evolution is not only wrong and never been proven, but it's just stupid.
@@ericbitzer5247 Nah
Here’s some information I found - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. Using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for reliable truthful reporting, and explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) being the most testified in ancient manuscripts - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers sceptic accusations trying to discredit witness accounts. Worth a read
Wish to watch this on BBC1 Sunday morning - IMPOSSIBLE I guess hahaha
Great discussion. Always a pleasure to listen to great minds. I have read "The selfish gene" and it is amazing.
Neither of those lying frauds has any evidence whatsoever for the fairytale religion evolutionism. Prove me wrong. You have nothing.
"According to our experimental experience, only an intelligent source is capable of meeting just these requirements, for only intelligence is in a position to develop information, instructions, codes, languages, and code-conventions. The fact that only one single genetic language exists indicates that one single intelligent Source must have been responsible for the single genetic code of all polyphylogenetic biology. There is no other solution to the problem of the origin of the genetic code."
- A. E. Wilder-Smith, was a British ORGANIC CHEMIST and young Earth creationist.
Wilder-Smith earned three doctorates; his first PhD in 1941 in Physical ORGANIC CHEMISTRY from Reading University, England, his second in 1964 in Pharmacology from the University of Geneva, and his third from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology), Zurich.
The ORGANIC CHEMISTRY underlying DNA synthesis
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@@shootingstarzz6161 It is a widely accepted fact that belief systems are not compatible with logic. Basically any argument between a firm believer and an atheist is waste of time since there is no logical argument , no mater how sound or supported by proof, that will cause a believer to change his or her mind.
@@goldiesg
Exactly. Which is why evolutionism is a religion. Zero evidence whatsoever for that fairytale. You just have to believe lol.
British bacteriologist Alan H. Linton -
“None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another. Bacteria, the simplest form of independent life, are ideal for this kind of study, with generation times of twenty to thirty minutes, and populations achieved after eighteen hours. But throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another.”
Alan H. Linton, “Scant Search for the Maker,” The Times Higher Education Supplement (April 20, 2001), Book Section, p. 29.
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@@shootingstarzz6161 Nope
i do appreciate the infusion of irreverence
Well, this was incredible.
It’s fascinating how different people think about their surroundings. I remember from a very young age questioning the religion I was brought up in and thinking wow you really believe things without evidence. Yet people continue to this day to go their entire lives without doing so. While enjoying the benefits directly of people who realized how the world really works. I wish evolution would speed up on some people.
It was obvious magical thinking to adhere to the bible as your source of knowledge . Its easily seen by children but then they are usually ill equipped to deal with the gaslighting and circular reasoning adults use to enfeeble their natural scientific curiosity .
But do they? do they realize the world fully? and here comes religion. but of course even in religion only blind faith is not good, one should look for answers and search for it. as one great being said once 'half learning makes you an athiest and full learning makes one religious' something like that.
@@sajidulislamskilled Well that's silly. Even on interpersonal issues religion is archaic and childish.
cant belive this was 11 years ago
I forgot Richard was the atheism dude in this conversation. Exceptional content.
I will be the first to admit, I was brainwashed, from a young age
Me too friend. But from your presence here I assume you too saw the power of logic?
***** No, he's thinking for himself (which is a good thing) and not letting a storybook run his life. Hate to break it to you but some people grow up and face reality, whereas some don't.
@@2gointruth My dog just left your gospel on the front lawn. A big steamy pile of shit.
2gointruth With Good News of The True Gospel
There’s a demon in you.
I prayed for you but god said you’re doomed.
Oh well, best of luck.
Luckily I was not brainwashed as a child. I believed in evolution in grade school. I still own one of the first books that I read about the subject in about fourth/fifth grade. The title was the first man in the world. It was the absolute beginning of me questioning religion for the rest of my life. And that was in 1954.
They pulled out the expensive camera for this one lol. That footage quality is amazing!
Right?!
Dawkins in HD
Yes yes his head is most detailed at being big
The camera?!... What about those chairs!?
I love vestigial words like “footage”... and there are several of them inherited from the Age of Film.
I grew up without religious indoctrination. In Germany, Berlin. My father...a American soldier...my mother Irish-German. Of course I had religious studies in school ( you had to pick the Evangelical or Catholic denomination ) and found it extremely interesting in a historical sense...nothing more.
While in Berlin and young I would climb over fenced areas into " protected areas " of nature. Of course I could've got in trouble because it is illigal and some species aren't " human " friendly 🤣 as a young moron I figured a switzer pocket knife stuck via ducktape on the tip of a stick was enough protection...
But ok, what I wanted to explain is...individuals that spend hours in nature observing it and really thinking about its mechanism will come to evolution naturally. I did. Ants were the most obvious...from them I learned that they all looked similar but have different habitats and strengths/weaknesses. I also was fascinated by fungi and plants and the many adaptions....
Years later when confronted with Darwin's ideas I instantly thought there's really nothing special here because no other explination makes any sense....then I started reading about Alexander Van Humboldt, Alfred Wallace, Thomas Huxley, Asa Gray and from there went into the modern synthesis of Evolutionary theory ( Theodosius Dobhzansky, Ernst Mayr, Julian Huxley, Sidney Brenner, Christian De Duve, Ronald Fisher etc ) and then into the what I call extensions of Evolutionary theory like Lynn Morgulis / Endosymbiosis...Carl Woese and his work with 16sRna & Phylogenetics...Barbara McClintock and Transposons...Frederick Griffith and Horizontal Gene Transfer...Quantum Biology etc.
Most individuals have zero and I mean NULL clue about these subjects. It takes hours of study to absorb the evidence, mechanisms and history of Evolutionary biology and Genetics. So when somebody tries to tell me Evolution is just a "theory" and God did it I laugh and tell them sure...now please provide some evidence.
Of course there is none. Historians are all over the place but thru further scrutiny I realized they have NOTHING. Christian apologists use philosophical arguments that lack often critical thinking skills and completely disregard the arguments of many non religious individuals ( best presented in " The Portable Atheist " by Christopher Hitchens or " Doubt: A History " by Jennifer Michael Hecht ) without ever doing so convincingly...
I took my time really trying to see why so many believe in religious arguments...but failed.
Compared to modern science and philosophy...the religious perspective has really one big problem= Methodological Naturalism. When one human being somehow manages to present an repeatable experiment proving there is SOMETHING supernatural ( meaning outside/separate of the natural material world ) convincingly....i might rethink my position.
Until then...i prefer the beauty and explanatory power of modern science.
I asked myself how could anyone be stupid enough to be religious in a modern world. I found the shocking answer: most people believe what they want to believe because they like it to be that way. the idea comforts them and is tied to the identity these people have given themself. Thats why you get irrational emotional reactions from them. Proving them wrong gets perceived as attacking the persons identity. When its tied to the identity, taking it away gets perceived as a threat.Thats what causes their response.
I observe the same phenomenon in other matters. When you disprove something that is emotionally tied to person, you wont get rational behaviour. If I call out that someone has been lied to by a friend, instead of thanking me I get personally attacked ? Why thought? its completely irrational, yet it is so common. its because the brain forces them to act that way to prevent the painful realization to take place. Lying to themself to avoid the unpleasant feeling of the consequences.
For me, its the kind of behavior that makes me the most furious because it prevents people from aquiring knowledge that is actually useful. because most people sadly value a delusional feeling more than the truth without realizing that they harm themselfs.
@@sshreddderr9409 Most people think pretense is belief and belief is certitude
Comparitive religion should be required learning . I have noticed a greater acceptance of science in those who were forced to learn about not just their religion but others and also atheism . In fact I have seen a great many drop their prior belief system for either a deist or atheistic position on the facts .
@@sshreddderr9409 It is about the fear of their own death and the mystery of it and loss of the sense of control that we all develop as a coping mechanism .
The purpose of science is a continuous study of our natural surroundings, gather evidence, and evaluate the evidence to build our knowledge of the world we live in. If the knowledge does not provide concrete answers (as an example for simplicity sake, the sky is blue), then we are left with assumptive reasoning. This is why science should always allow for open-mindedness when it comes to topics that are not concrete. Nothing should be an exception to this way of thinking. It's ok if we subscribe to a belief that is based on some level of reasonable assumptions, but if we do not leave room to being open-minded, we can eventually find ourselves defending something with irrational bias. The evolution belief/paradigm should be no different. We all should take the time to be open minded and consider a different paradigm/belief without scourging the other side. Especially when the evolution paradigm dead-ends at three of the most important unexplainable pivotal moments in time... a) nothing in space turning into something b) something dead turning into something living c) something living turning into the mind-bending genetic & dna-filled complexity known as man. When the only answer to those questions is if given enough time, those things can occur, that isn't even remotely an answer that should convince anyone to automatically subscribe to that theory. A genuine discussion and debate with open-minded people needs to be had to evaluate real evidence. I think what reasonable people will find without me infusing my religious beliefs would be there are way too many assumptions being made to stand solely on the evolutionary paradigm. If everyone could set aside your personal experiences with man whether in a church or outside the walls of a church in a science forum for a moment, deconstruct what you've learned, and actually rely on evidence, we'd reasonably find room to consider another possibility other than the evolution belief. Take the journey with an open mind...
“Maybe I’m not fit to talk about nothing because theologians and philosophers are experts at nothing.”
One classy, sexy, smart fucking ass burn. Hell yes.
I get an ass burn each time I eat hot peppers! If I don't eat them, I feel "nothing" but a good shit!
What about all of the Christian scientists out there that has way more proof for creation than people like Dawkins and Hawkings and this douchebag Krause do for evolution? Scientists are straying away from the theory of evolution. What I think's comical is people mock Christians and say how can you believe something that's written almost 2000 years ago? well I can turn that around and say the same thing to people that believe in evolution. How can you believe something that the person that come up with the theory of evolution didn't even believe it anyway and it was written 170 years ago? Why do you believe something that was written 170 years ago? One of the last things that Charles Darwin said about his evolution journey "in all my life's work and my dedication, diligence and prudence, I feel all I have done is nothing more than chased a fantasy"~Charles darwin... But see, you will never ever ever hear Richard Dawkins say something like that. Nor will you hear anyone that is preaching evolution talk about the things that Albert Einstein talked about speaking of evolution. Albert Einstein studied evolution for the last 15 years of his life and he said that "evolution is a comedy, based on hypothesis in theories and University bigwigs of nothing more than fanatical ideas"
You will never hear Dawkins or any other evolutionist talk about things like that. Why? Because it puts people down the rabbit hole of chasing creation instead of evolution. People will start thinking for themselves and researching for themselves and find out an alternate truth whether it be creation or whatever else. But the more you study evolution the more you find that it is truly "laughable".
You should check out John Lennox, he's actually friends with Richard Dawkins
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 a VERY GOOD commentary "Big Country Mountain Man" Albert Einstein was a very intelligent man. Dawkins, etc. Not so much. The truth is, we don't know what we don't know.
it's hard to believe that there ever was a talking snake that convinced a naked woman to deceive her man, and that God was sneaking around in the bushes to spy on their naked butts! I do however believe the Book of John and the things that Jesus taught about way we should live our life.
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 Einstein was a cosmologist and theorectical physicist. He was not a biologist and did not study evolution in any great depth. In 1915 he wrote he was more inclined to the Lamarkian view.
His last few years were devoted to Unified Field Theories not evolution.
@@ianb9028 I completely agree with you, however.. he wrote a 71 page paper on biology and evolution in 1913
Its very late and i cant take a break to dehydrate myself ...the discussion is like food and water to my mind. My respect to genuine scientists
yes I stayed up till 2 and felt enlivened by the conversation
They are not genuine. Some very flawed reasong
So respect all these guys. They are so passionate about getting their messages across to people, they make the effort to write books and read aloud on audible in order to reach people of all learning capacities
Not everyon has the nerve to appreciate truthful discussion of the natural world .
@God's creature Philosophy is not a science .
@God's creature By the way , Dennett is both a scientist and a philosopher . Most of what he does is exercise .
@God's creature Dennet develops intellectual tools . Intuittion pumps and the like meant to help establish a fringe from which to establish a basic orientation in regards to enigmatic subject matter . However , one can hammer a nail with a wrench . Application is everything , efficiency is the goal .
@May Ling Its of higher order than testimonial in court . It can be reproduced and attributed to but a single source and provide basis for prediction that will validate it even further . That is knowledge . What these religious people pretend they have is certitude . Which is of course , for a finite mind and being , completely impossible . Knowledge is the highest order of belief justified by facts to such a degree that its irrational not to accept . What they have is simple edict sourced forom inevident authority with no proof whatsoever .
Going to these talks were so much fun back in the day.
More like these should happen.
They still happen or did before viruses shut everything down like science warned they would
Guess Who Yeah but I was specifically referring to when Lawrence Krause was the director of the Origins Project at ASU. Those days are gone now because buzz feed of all sources reported that Krause sexually harassed some women and that was enough to force him to resign after an investigation from ASU. I personally don’t believe he did things he was accused of doing or at least it isn’t as bad as the allegations made it out to be because as far as I’m aware there were no corroborating sources that brought forth new or the same information. Any other reports from other news organizations just reported the allegation but didn’t go into the details or the evidence to support it. I I’m guessing that because of political pressure ASU was inclined to fire Krause without much evidence so Krause resigned before they could.
Here’s some information I found - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. Using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for reliable truthful reporting, and explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) being the most testified in ancient manuscripts - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers sceptic accusations trying to discredit witness accounts. Worth a read
@@carl1488 no ot isn't
In the Q&A session, someone young man asked tremulously if there was some way to disseminate ''this information'', more widely(meaning what these two scientists had been discussing for the last hour or so), and I am amazed at the poverty of this question. It seems that the obvious answer should be to bring up children to become readers of books. You may attend as many lectures of these and other eminent scientists as you like, but unless you have read their books, you will never truly grasp what they are talking about. The fundamental problem with many schools is that they deny children the kind of education early on that will open doors for them into the two important sciences of evolutionary biology and physics. There are socio-political forces working against imparting a sound education to young children, as opening their minds to science will threaten the status quo of societies based on what I would call "dumbism".
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