Forestry Mulching 3/4-acres Dense Brush and Trees
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- Property owner had 3/4-acres of extremely dense brush and trees. Field had 12-years of overgrowth. Owner 's goal was to recover this overgrown area so he could plat grass and expand his useable yard area. This clearing took 4:10 minutes to completely clear the overgrowth. The owner 's next step in his reclamation process was to use a tractor to scape off the resulting mulch, and smooth the terrain with a tractor with box-blade. The ground would then be ready for grass seeding.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC specializes in tree and brush clearing.
Located in Clarksville, TN.
Office: (931) 802-5910
Cell: (757) 871-5026 (call or text)
www.cfsmulching.com
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I'm starting a fire solutions company in Australia and your videos have completely changed my direction! Thanks so much for the excellent content.
That’s interesting to hear, Drew. What types of jobs will you be focusing on now?
I enjoyed the whole video. That's a great machine, 4hrs and 10 minutes, wow. Just think how long that would have taken without your mulcher. Great job
Shirley Qualls Thank you, Shirley! Yes, this forestry mulcher is definitely the right tool for clearing this type of brush.
I could watch these all day, thank you for posting these videos. Intensely satisfying.
MrBillT Thanks, Bill! Glad you enjoy them. I have several other videos like this one on my CZcams channel, that are from the operator POV, and I also talk a lot about operator tips and techniques, and how I do business. I even like watching these videos too. I'm still amazed by what this machine does.
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 I have been watching all of your videos, I just love them, you are very informative and I am grateful for you sharing all the great information. I just bought land in Ashland City and I'm probably going to need to do this to my property too since it has not been manicured for many years.
MrBillT I appreciate that, Bill. Yes, if you have land that needs brush maintenance that is too large for a tractor w/bushhog, this size forestry mulcher with a drum-style mulcher is definitely the most efficient and economical way to get that work done. Depending on how much land you have, you may think about buying this type of equipment used, or renting it from your nearest Bobcat dealer. And of course, I can definitely help you out since I work in the Ashland City area often. It's a beautiful area.
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 Your "how to do business" are intensely valuable. You are very generous to share that valuable data with all of us. Thank you for your generosity and willingness to share with us the knowledge and wisdom from the fruits of your labor and hard work.
It is really amazing what that machine and operator can do in such a short amount of time! A backbreaking job turned into a fun project!
cat637d I've cleared brush before by hand with a chainsaw, and it is hard work. This machine is the best way to go, and is worth the money to bring your property back to life and useable again.
I have such tool envy. My property and the surrounding couple hundred thousand acres could use this. Keep the wild fires in check. Shasta county in N. California for reference.
Thanks for all the great videos. The information you provide really helps as I'm considering this as a side business.
I appreciate you watching, and happy to hear that my videos are helpful to you. That's why I make them. Good luck to you.
Oddly satisfying to watch and instant gratification.
mad jeeper Before I got into this business, I would clear over-grown areas on my farm with a chainsaw, machete, dragging the material to burn piles, lots of sweat, scratches, cuts, and many days of work to complete. There are many people have have this same kind of problem they need cleared up. So I totally understand their feeling of being overwhelmed. It is a very satisfying thing to see this machine in action and effortlessly solving this problem for people. It still amazes me to see, after four years of doing this. It's almost like magic seeing the material disappear.
Mega nice video.. Satisfying to watch..
Flemming Svensson Always good to hear that people enjoy watching my videos. Thanks, Flemming!
I love running a forestry head. I watch the videos to get pointers
Joe Lyman I enjoy it too. It takes a lot of focus and maintains awareness to be a good operator. I'm sure you can easily see the difference between a good forestry mulcher operator and a newbie. Sometimes those newbie videos are painful to watch! Haha!
I'm absolutely ,mesmerized by this machine ! It makes a joke out of a brush hog. Have you ever received negative feedback from a customer ?
I have never had negative feedback from a customer. Actually, most customers are mesmerized by watching this machine make their brush problems disappear. Even farmers, who are use to operating all kinds of equipment and know the value of time and money, are "tickled" by what this machine can do. People are surprised that it can mulch trees up to 8"-diameters. A forestry mulcher shouldn't be compared to a bush hog, because it really is just the next level up in class of machine capability.
I saw a machine like that North of Murray, KY along route 641 last week.
Good job en great operator 👍
ISXCUMMINS 565 Thanks for the comment. I've done several jobs in the Murray-Benton area over the last few months. Beautiful farm country.
Good work, man.
Fantastic equipment!
Kli Wood Thanks, Kli. I appreciate you watching.
wow that thing is sound proof, really quiet inside.
This machine is sound-proofed and it is very quiet inside. Much quieter inside, than outside when its mulching at full-power!
Great job. Sure do miss your videos.
Thank you!
That looks like some satisfying work.. I;d love to get into doing something like this as a business.
hicap06 It is really satisfying taking a problem area for a land-owner, and turning it into an positive and productive area.
Dream job right here. I could do that all day
The Huxsters Yup! And no boss, or employees, to deal with. Doesn't get any better than that.
great job
glenn goodale
Killing all
glenn goodale Thanks for the comment. Let me know if you have any questions about forestry mulching, or if you'd like to see a video addressing a specific aspect of this process.
I think that is a great machine , and you are a outstanding operator. many people would like to see more videos on this operation. Keep those videos comming
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC is there any possible way I could send you PM? Have a few questions. I recently purchased an ASV 120F and a gyro trac
a squires Sure. Email me at dclevinger@cfsmulching.com
WOW!! I'm thinking of the days I've spent with a chainsaw, herbicide to make sure I didn't have 10,000 saplings the following Spring, and tons of stacking and hauling the debris. Amazing.
aceontheline Believe me, I feel your pain. Before I got this equipment, I used a machete for small brush, a chainsaw, hand dragged everything I could to burn piles, and used an old Jeep Cherokee and a chain to drag logs. It was good exercise, but this machine is 100% more productive.
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I remember our old Jeep Cherokee Chief with the 400 cubic inch motor and four barrel carb!!
aceontheline 400 cu in engine in a Cherokee? Wow! That must have been fun.
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Lol I've grubbed several farms off by hand and would have loved a good shredder not a bush hog.
It is satisfying work or always was for me especially at the end of the day,it's like wow I can see touch and know this.
You have probably been asked this before. Do you ever run into surprises like old buried machinery or large rocks? I have a grave yard here were at one point when this was farm land there is all sorts of stuff buried some of it just under the surface. Do you walk the area first?
Ted John Ted- Yes, debris or other surprises are pretty common. I do walk as much od the work area as practical and also ask the customers if they know of any know debris in the area, before I begin working. If there are obvious large rocks or other hazards, then I tell the customer I will cut around those areas. They understand that. But inevitably, will still occasionally run into discarded tire rims, fencing, t-posts, etc that is hidden in the brush that I just can't see. The operator has to pay close attention to whats in front of the cutter at all times.
what's the price for one?
or where to buy lightly used one for a cheaper price,
can you help me please thank you!!
When I bought this last machine and mulcher head in 2019, the total new price was $105,000. $82,000 for the machine, $23,000 for the Fecon mulcher. If you are looking for a used machine, talk to your local Bobcat, Caterpillar, etc dealer. They get machines turned back in that were leased, or they can tell you the businesses that buy the turned in machines for re-sale. And of course, you can check out other online sites like Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, etc.
This is so satisfying to watch! I've got a mess of a 4 acre lot that mocks my puny efforts.
Sue Mick Hi Sue- I hear that a lot. I've also had customers just watch this machine work all day because they say they are mesmerized by how a big, overwhelming mess just appears to disappear. This is simply the most efficient way to clear brush. Thanks for watching.
I’ve got 40 acres I want to clear, all mature Long Leaf Pin. Would a piece of equipment like this be useful to mulch up all the material left from Logging?
Yes, absolutely. I had 30 acres clear-cut logged on my land, I used this machine to mulch all of the tree remnants I could, then burned the stuff that was too big to mulch. I’d say I was able to reduce the amount I had to burn by 90-95% by mulching up the smaller bits.
Incredible machine. I may need a few acres cleared in western KY. Lots of those damn honey locust/thorn trees. Does this cut them down flush or below the ground so I can get a bushhog over it without ruining my tractor tires? That and cattle picking up a thorn in their feet are why I can't use the field anymore for pasture.
awy1977 Yes, this mulcher has a drum cutter on it, so it mulches all of the material flush with the ground. I get called to clear honey locusts from fields all the time so land-owners can run their tractors in it again. After mulching these thorn trees, they will disc the mulch residue into the soil to get the stray thorns in the mulch turned into the dirt.
If you need some help with your fields, give me a call, I'm located in Clarksville, TN. W: 931.802.5910 or C:757.871.5026
Great, thanks. Our farm is in Kuttawa, KY. It'd be about the same distance from Clarksville as going to Murray. I'll get in touch with you when we're ready to clear.
awy1977 Kuttawa is well within my service area. Let me know when you're ready to go. W: 931.802.5910 C: 757.871.5026
How long does a job like this take you in real time? I’ve got 5 acres that needs to be cleared. It was at one point a yard, but that was 15ish years ago and now it’s dense under growth. Curious if the quotes I’ve gotten are accurate.
The material in this video too me about 6 hours to clear. But this was very dense. The time it takes to forestry mulch an area depends on the type of material, the density of growth, the terrain, and if there are any other type of obstacles that impact the maneuvering of the machine, like roads, nearby buildings, wires, fences, etc.
How much different would you operate if there is a significant amount of rocks. Looked at renting one to use with my machine but was told not good on the teeth.
Sicktrickintuner If there are a lot of rocks that are sticking out of the ground all over the work area I wouldn't use my mulcher on it. Larger rocks have to be avoided because these teeth are too expensive. I've turned down jobs with customers who's property had extensive rocks that wouldn't be avoidable. Have to protect your investment.
Unless you are going to put livestock on the area that will graze the area to keep it from growing back over, I would recommend to a customer not to pay to clear it. Other options besides machine clearing are hand-cutting, goats, or spraying pesticide.
Looking to start a force mulching service in the south Florida area any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Chris Cruz The most important thing a serious business person would do is to know what your costs are going to be to operate BEFORE you purchase equipment. I have two other videos on my CZcams channel that explains how to calculate the Owniner-Operator Cost of equipment. This worksheet is also a good guide to the items you will need to research to understand what's involved and the costs involved. It pays to do your homework first.
Also, I have been asked every imaginable question about forestry mulching in the comments sections of all of my videos, so be sure to read through those comments. You can learn a lot.
reading comments here years later haha I'm also in South Florida I'm wondering if you ever got your business up and running?
Was that time 4 hrs and 10 minutes?
Yes, that’s right. It took 4 hours and 10 minutes to completely mulch down and finish off this 3:4-acre of this very dense material. Unfortunately, my GoPro batteries died after about 3-hours. I would have liked to show the finished product, which looked amazing.
How much would this cost to have done?
This took 4 hrs 10 minutes, so in 2022 this would cost $860.
How do you like your bobcat any issues with over heating I’m looking to buy either a cat 299D or a bobcat t870
I've been doing forestry mulching full-time since 2014 and have been very happy using the Bobcat T770. I don't have any hydraulic temp over-heating. Its important to keep the radiators blown out, air inlet screens free of debris, sharp cutter teeth, and use good operator technique when mulching. The T770 has plenty of power for trees up to 6'-8' diameters, and that's what I stick to. My machines have been very reliable, too, but I operate them like I don't want to scratch the paint. it's also great for grapple and bucket work. Great power to lift and dig. Definitely drive both machines, compare what it takes to do the daily operator maintenance, see they they feel to drive and mulch. I demoed both back in 2013, and I chose the Bobcat.
Just a question, how much problem is picking up fence wire?
Scott McLeod Getting fence wire wrapped on the drum is a problem sometimes, but more of a frustration for wasting time. Working around farms, I occasionally run over some hidden fencing in the brush. I never got into wire on an actual fenceline. It's usually laying somewhere. I carry 24" bolt cutters and an angle grinder with a cutting wheel in my truck box. Whether it's barbed-wire, mesh, or tensile steel, it will wrap around the drum in a split second, and bind it to a stop. I cut the wire horizontally across the drum, then I hook one end of a chain into to wire, and the other end of the chain around a tree and then drive backward to use the power of the machine to pull the wire off the drum.
I've also wrapped nylon tarps around the drum that were laying on the ground and covered. This is a pain to get off because it's a lot of material that has to be cut with a knife. I really stay focused when I'm working so I avoid a lot of potential issues. I carry survey tape with me in my machine so I can mark hazards when I see them too.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC thanks. I wondered if it was a problem and imagined how quickly it'd happen
Sir, First of all I love watching your videos! You do a Great Job and your content is quality and very informative. I have a question as to what you use inside your cab for taking the videos. Thank you
Dagan Young Thanks, Dagan. I appreciate your comment. I use two GoPro cameras. I use several different types of mounts depending on what shots I want to get. I have a tripod mount, headband mount, a clamp mount, and a suction cup mount. I just use the free GoPro video editing program they provide on their website, to edit the video, and add titles and music. It's a basic video editor, but it is free. And I like free.
Is it profitable to do Forestry with a rental machine?
Looking at it as an add on service in the future
Hi Azarias- All I can say to answer your question is that you'll have to get a full quote rental cost from a dealer who rents a forestry machine rig, or just the rental price for the forestry mulcher attachment if you already have an appropriately sized skid-steer, add your mark-up, and then see if a customer would be willing to pay that total cost.
is that cab really that quiet inside.i love these videos.they're amazing.
Depends on the machine. Some are quite, air conditioned, have radio/CD. Others are noisy as all get out and you have to wear ear protection.
Yes, it is quiet inside the cab. I have the sound-proofing option, and the cab is very well sealed as part of the forestry mulching package to keep dust and debris out of it.
Do you do prescribed burning or mechanised clearing or just the mulching
James Spires James- My business specializes in forestry mulching. I do not do prescribed burns, or remove trees with dozers or excavators.
Have you ever considered the echo mulcher? It is more efficient than the forestry mulcher. I cleared 4.6 acres of heavy brush and numerous cedars up to 8 inch diameter in 6 hours. I can't imagine paying your rate of $150 an hour for such inefficient service.
Do you mean the ECO mulcher? Echo makes lawn equipment.
I never considered a rotary mulcher because they leave too much of a mess, and no customer wants all the stauble left sticking up. There are applications where the final appearance doesn't matter though, and a rotary mulcher might be good for those, but a tractor still won't like driving over the stauble because they don't want flat tires. I showed up at a customer's farm one time to give him an estimate, and he had a John Deere 333 with a Diamond mulcher. I asked him why he called me if he owned that machine, and he said he hated the rotary mulcher. He said it was better suited to do more like heavy bush-hogging maintenance clean up. If you have a video of your Eco mulcher cutting though the type of material in this video at a production rate of 4.6 acres in 6 hours, then I'd like to see it. I'll even post it on my CZcams channel just to show customers the options out there. I bush hog with a 6' mower on a tractor, and cutting pasture grass takes me almost 1-hour per acre. I'd like to see 4.6 acres of trees get mulched in 6-hours. That's quite a claim. I wonder why every professional forestry mulching operation isn't using Eco mulchers with that kind of production that you claim? You must be making a very good living with your machine. What's are your revenues and profit margin you get with your set up?
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 I'm not a professional at this by no means and it is not how I earn my living(although I should consider it). This was a personal clearing for the summer cabin I am building. I didn't take any video of this project either as I had no need to document it. I found that curling the cutter down, I was able to trim most everything to ground level or below. I will admit the rotary mulcher does leave more debris than the forestry mulcher but a couple of cuts a few months later with the brush hog took care of that. By the way, my rental feel for the equipment(delivery & pickup included) was $982 for the day.
Nathen Guillory That's a good price for that rental. Sounds like it did the trick for you👍
Have you looked at a disc mulcher pretty cool tool if so why did you settle on the drum style.
Seth no Disc versus drum mulcher is no contest. Drum mulchers are what professional forestry mulching operations use. I know people who have purchased disc mulchers, probably because they cost less, and they were very disappointed with the results they create. They have commented that a disc is better suited to do maintenance cutting, and not full blown clearing. Discs leave stauble stems from everything it cuts, the mulch is large, and it shoots mulch in every direction, and the unit is large to maneuver in a forest.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC great thanks for the information. I’ve been going over tons of videos and equipment options. I’m quite interested in starting my own one man forestry mulching business but the biggest issue is the entail start up cost. I do t think I’d have to much of an issue drumming up work I know a logging company and tree service company that I could get tops from till I have a name for myself. What do you suggest for someone that’s interested in doing this?
Yes, the start up cost is what keeps most people out of this business. But, as with starting up any type of business, if you do good research, know what your costs will be, know about how much revenue you need to generate to be sustainable and successful, then there will be no mystery to making a good Go/NoGo business decision PRIOR to getting financially obligated. Its ok to spend $160,000 to start up, as long as you know that you can generate enough revenues every month or year to cover your costs, pay yourself, and make a profit. If these conditions don't exist, then its not the right business plan. You can figure 90% of this out by research and planning. There will always be unknown's with every business. I have two videos on my YT channel that describe how to calculate the Owning-Operating Cost of a piece of equipment. That is a good place to start.
Also, on all of my videos on my YT channel, people have asked me all kinds of great business questions over the years, and I have given them straight-up, detailed answers based on my 5-years of having started (2014), and run, my forestry mulching business. There is a wealth of information in these comment sections of my videos.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC so far I’ve found your videos to be the most informative to date in this field of work and I really appreciate the time you spent on them. Some of my basic research has turned up that in my area no one other than really big tree companies like aspuhlund even does this work. So it looks like there might be a market if I can work out the rest of details. I drive a local delivery truck all over the place so I see all sorts of properties that could benefit so much from this service being offered. Thanks and keep up the great work.
That looked like a jungle.
Craig Parker It was a thick jungle. Very dense briars and viney growth mixed in with brush.
nice work. i wonder if this type of service area available in malaysia
Ariff Affendi Thank you, Ariff! This forestry mulching method of clearing brush and trees is the most efficient way to do it. So if there is no one providing this service where you are located in Malaysia, then I'd say that is an apparent business opportunity for someone there to start into.
Did you charge by the hour and how much?
Victor Romo Yes, I charge by the hour. I believe this is best value for the customer, and the least risky for myself as the business owner.
In my location, centered around Clarksville, TN, I currently charge $125/hr, but the price is going to increase to $150/hr beginning Jan 1, 2019. Prices vary around the country, and by each businesses’ cost structure. But more relevant than price per hour, is the actual production rate of an experienced operator using the right equipment. The total finished cost of the project is the bottom line that is important to know.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC thank you for the info sir.
Victor Romo Glad it helps.
Hey love the videos! I'm doing the exact same business as you and I just started. I'm having a little trouble reaching out to the clients. I know every place is different but do you have any advertising tips you could share that might help? Anything will be appreciated. Thanks
Hi Rich- Several things. First, most people looking to have clearing done will search the internet for "land clearing", "brush clearing", "forestry mulching", etc, so you HAVE to be found on the internet. You need an internet presence. That can include a website, CZcams channel, Facebook, Craigslist, etc. These sites will get hits when the search terms match up. So you need good SEO on your sites when you set them up.
Also, you can target who you see as your potential customers will be. If you're going after contracts, then you have to be registered on the right State and Federal sites that advertise and award contracts. You can also contact local utility companies (electric, water, gas), and Road Departments, to sub-contract with them to do R.O.W. clearing. Visit your local county and state Forestry offices.
I do a lot of work for builders, realtors who buy spec property, and real estate developers. Let them know your service is available.
I also do a lot of work for farmers and land-owners. They find me on CZcams, my website, Facebook, and word-of-mouth.
Lastly, have a good business card, and hand them out to everyone. My card has a close-up photo of my mulcher machine (important), Business name, phone number, email, and URL links to my three web-presence sites.
Beyond these things, I guess there is always "traditional" advertising in local papers, radio, etc.
The most important thing is to "be found" on the internet, and to let people in your area know that your service exists. Leverage your time by talking to people who will naturally spread the word for you, like builders, realtors, and farmers. These groups always talk between themselves.
Hope this helps. Best of luck to you. Business owners must hustle it up.
Getting better with camera on the camera on the tripod for a couple of minutes but way too far away. The job you are doing is interesting but the video of the same thing for 20 mins. does not make for an interesting video. Just trying to be helpful. Thanks
It`s like pac man eating up the dots
Yes it is. Just making people's problems disappear. I appreaciate you watching.
It have knives or teeth?
For this video the mulcher had all carbide cutter teeth installed. It mulched down this this brush very easily.
I wish you could work up in CT
You may have this service in your area. Search for "forestry mulching".
@skydaver2, contact me at VEGOUTCT@GMAIL.COM. I am in Connecticut.
This would be great to cut your own dirt bike race track through the brush.
This machine is perfect for cutting trails through the forest. That is some of the types of jobs that I do.
What's the average charge per-acre??
Jim P. To clear everything less than 8" diameters of medium density forest on reasonably flat terrain would be an average of $875 per acre.
O.K. What about nothing over 4-inches on not so level ground? Just a slight grade..
Jim P. If everything is
Do you always quote by lot size, by the job, or on a time basis? Also curious about who your average customer is, landowner, construction/commerical, etc?
I'd kinda like to find a guy who did it hourly....
It is simply unbelievable when you remember just how weak and vulnerable man was in the jungle and where he is today due to his brain.
Kenneth N. Shortlidge Yes, I understand what you mean. Doing this kind of work really makes me appreciate the absolute toughness and work ethic that farmers, and many other people, had to have. Clearing a small patch of forest so they could grow some crops or raise some livestock had to be some grueling work that took months or years to accomplish. Amazes me.
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 Thanks, but not exactly my point. I was referring to the invention of tools and machines using our brains. Consider, how does man even imagine a bow and arrow, let alone construct one.
@@lechandler4041 I get exactly what you mean. Sometimes I just sit and ponder all of mans inventions, at least the ones I know about and it amazes me. I do stump grinding in NC and I have a vermeer sc 252 stump grinder and this thing makes my machine look like a toy. But yes it amazes me, electronics, automobiles, engineered structures. It is amazing.
Fecon head?
This is actually a Bobcat mulcher head that was manufactured by Fecon for Bobcat. I used this mulcher for about five years, then bought a Fecon BH-74SS. I like the BH-74 much better.
Do you ever run into rocks, car engine blocks, large stumps, and things like that hidden in those thick places? I bush hog and keep my bucket low but you don't have anything out front to let you know. You must have a low paranoia level. I am one of the high paranoia types.
Dave Schuetrum Lol! I hear ya. Yes, I do occasionally run into things like that which are very well hidden. I try to slow my speed down to match how far ahead I can see through the brush, but I still hit stuff. Hitting a stump going just 1mph will jar your fillings out. I ran into a riding lawnmower one time that was completely grown over with thick grass and briars that were 7 feet tall in a field. The owner had previously told me there were no hazards like stumps or gullies in the field. When I showed the owner the mower that I tore a tire off of, he said “Oh yea, I was mowing with that about 6 years ago and the engine quit and I just left it there”. You find all kinds of strange surprises out there.
Ha! Yup...I can tell you are the same personality type as I...
Very poor camera work...
Thanks for suffering through it.
Should have taken it the other direction as not to tear up the existing lawn.
john Squires A good operator on tracks doesn't tear up the sod, so the grass was completely fine when I finished. Primary consideration was to not shoot the mulch all over the owners nice lawn.
Buenas trades estoy Interezados en saber precios de in equipo como este gracias a quien Tonga informacion
Hi Carlos-
El equipo visto en el video fue un 2017 Bobcat T-770 (costo $86.000) y el accesorio de Trituradora forestal, costo $24.000.
Esos son los precios de los nuevos equipos, pero usted puede comprarlo utilizado.
He utilizado Google Translator para esto, así que espero que pueda entender mi respuesta. Gracias por tu pregunta.
Seemed to spend more time backing up rather than cutting brushwood. Should have started cutting brush parallel to the lawned area, then turned around at
the far end and cut all the way back.
Alternatively gone all the way down the fence side cutting until emerging back on the lawn then could have gone round and round until done.
Appreciate that if your cutting head gets overloaded and slows down, you need to back up and clear it.
R W A Backing up is not wasted motion with a forestry mulcher. Drum mulchers actually pull more material in and cut cleaner to the ground when mulching with the machine in reverse.
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show the same scenes twice is boring!
Benny ofAtlanta Yes, I wanted to show the same scene from both the perspective from inside the machine and from the outside. Different viewers are looking for different bits of information from what they can see.
Not impressed at all. All machine with minimal results.