Forestry Mulching 1.3 Acres in Murray, KY
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- Forestry mulching 1.3 acres of medium-heavy density brush and trees less than 5"-diameters on level terrain. This clearing took a total of 5.8 hours to complete using a Bobcat T770 with a forestry mulcher with drum type head with carbide cutting teeth.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC
Located: Clarksville, TN
Work area is within 60-mile radius of Clarksville, TN
Office: (931) 802-5910
Cell: (757) 871-5026 (call or text)
www.cfsmulching.com
Cell: (757) 871-5026
www.cfsmulching.com
ClevingerForestServices
Maybe I am a strange unit, but I could easily spend a rainy Sunday watching these videos. Love 'em.
Nigel Hodges That's funny. Many viewers always say either how relaxing this is to watch, or mesmerizing it is how the mulcher just makes things disappear. Hey, kick back and enjoy👍
I just love working, too. I could watch all day long someone doing.
Love love love your content. Please put up more videos just like this one
Thank you! Will do!
The more I watch your videos the more I'm wanting one... 😁 GREAT JOB!!! 👍👍
Hog Man Forestry mulching is a great niche business, but a bobcat is just an all around good, versatile tool to use on a farm or to put to work in many different ways. Appreciate you watching and following my videos💯👍
Now that shows a person what you can do good job you wiped out that in great speed and the land looks useful again
Dwight Jones Thanks, Dwight. Yes, this machine is the right solution for clearing property. The owner of this land is putting it up for sale, so he will get a much higher sale price for this, making the mulching cost a good investment.
I M enjoying watching your video, awesome.
Thanks, Addie! I appreciate you watching.
AWESOME JOB! Excellent sample for want to be landscapers. Congrats
Thanks, Javier!
Loving the land clearing videos! Please keep them coming!
Alan DeVaney Thanks Alan! I appreciate your interest in watching and subscribing!
My inner twelve year old loves that mulching machine. 😊
abe frohman Haha! These mulchers are definitely fun to operate, and a good stress reliever.
The music is great. Another outstanding job.
Craig Parker I appreciate you watching👍
another great job given people back there land
Jeddco66 Yes, the property owners are always happy to get their land back. They get value added back to their asset.
I just couldn't stop watching! Lol
Really does make a nice difference !
Rick A. Shriver Huge difference! And it was done cheaper than a dozer was going to charge to just push this mess into a different spot on the same property, still leaving a mess. Forestry mulching is the right choice.
Nice machine , good job
I appreciate that, Danny. Thanks for watching.
Uninformed question.
In this presentation there are quite some slithered branches laying around. Which is understandable.
And according to my reasoning ideal to curtail water erosion after the surface biomass is removed.
On another program no pieces of cut biomass were visible. presumably mulched over a second time.
And should the latter be correct, as a percentage, how much longer in operational time does it require
to do the final manicuring?
If perhaps required for the area where a home is to be erected/a yard to be positioned.
Because that was outstanding work!
Thank you.
Hi Anton- Some beneficial aspects of mulching are that the mulched material does provide good erosion control, as well as keeping all of the nutrients of the mulched material in place to decompose back into the soil. The resulting size of the mulched material depends on a few things. Species of the material is a factor. Some species are softer, and can actually be flexible and wrap around the mulcher drum, so it does not cut cleanly like harder woods. But generally, the more times the area is mulched over, the material will be broken down into smaller pieces. I typically mulch over an area until the size material can be safely bush-hogged mowed without causing a problem for the mower. There are some customers who just want the mass of material taken down and don’t care if there are some larger pieces. These types of customers are usually builders or farmers, who plan on using other equipment to do follow-on work of the site.
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Directly in line of what may contemplation was. Thank you very much.
I have it in mind that in a situation where a thickly wooded are must revert to silvo pasture ,that the trees for timber and other uses must go beforehand. The area where a house and surrounds will be must be mulched down finely. And the areas to be converted to grazing areas/pasture would/can remain with rougher material. After having re-seeded the area with e.g. a drone prior to work.
The manner in which I operate is to have my ducks well rowed long beforehand. Could you please let me have an hourly guide price for mulching work. And site establishment/-destablishment charges where applicable? I do not own land yet but have my eyes peeled. I must be able to cost a total package. attentiontete5015@gmail.com.
@@antonhuman8446 It sounds like you have a good working knowledge of the process to clear land, and a good plan.
As far as pricing, I’m located in Tennessee, USA. Pricing varies depending on your location, but I’d say my pricing is mid-range, over-all.
2022 Pricing:
$175 per hour
$125 Equipment Delivery
4-hour minimum
Outstanding!!!!!!!
Larry Palmer Thanks, Larry! Appreciate you watching.
very cool!
Nice work
BigSounds Thanks, I appreciate that.
Bravo está si es maquina
Hi Angel- Esta máquina forestal Bobcat funciona muy bien. Acolcha árboles de hasta 20 CM de diámetro.
This is an awesome video .... thanks
Thanks, Glenn. I appreciate you watching my videos.
Look like fun
Most jobs are fun. Some are difficult.
Do you have a flap upfront on the head that closes with the hydraulics for better mulching? Have one on ours at work and seems to help when fishing stuff off.
Matt J The flap probably does help to mulch finer. I didn't want that option on my mulcher head. I thought it would be something that would be more of a problem than it was worth. Figured it would constantly be getting bent, and the fewer hydraulics hanging out there, the better.
I think these mulcher heads and the skidsteer have to be as streamlined, protected, and bullet proof as possible. Mulching is a hazardous and brutal business on these machines.
That is one awesome machine
Joe Scalise It does a great job💯👍
I have a New Holland C332 and that mulched looks exactly what I need. Can yo7 give me an idea of what these go for, and the brand and model of that unit? Many thanks!
Hi Ron- I use a Bobcat T770 with a Fecon BH74 forestry mulcher. The Bobcat cost $82,000 in 2019, and the Fecon was $24,000 in 2019. This set-up works very well👍
i have watched 100 of these video it is almost soothing lol but my question is i notice no talk about rocks... big rocks does this machine eat them as well? also i am from Michigan and i know many many farmers that would hire me to do something like this for them ... instead of paying a bunch of guys to go in and do a half assed job
white eagle Many types of rocks will not damage a forestry mulcher that use carbide cutter teeth. Carbide is very durable in rocky terrain. Knife type teeth are not durable in rocks. Cherty and clay type rocks are no problem. A carbide cutter tooth will pulverize a clay brick into dust with no damage, for example. The harder limestone type rocks are very bad for any piece of equipment, and will damage a mulcher. The operator has to know what hazards are in the work area, and stay vigilant to avoid hard rocks and other debris.
If there is no one in your area doing forestry mulching, it can be a good business to get into. There are many people out there who need their brush and tree growth managed.
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 ty for responding
white eagle You're welcome👍
At the end can you comment on the amount of time to do the mulching?
Steve Smith This area was about 2/3-acre and it took me about 4-1/2 - 5 hours to clear it as you saw at the end of the video.
I would have loved to have had that equipment when I was clearing lots that size with a weedeater w/steel blade....back then it would have been a 3 day job.
RCKN-RNDL West Virginia RC I've been there, too. Before I had this machine, I cleared a 700' x25' driveway through my woods with a machete, chainsaw, and a Jeep. It too me two months!
it might be costly work.
But there is a lot of time, labour and wear and tear involved as well.
You are correct. This equipment is expensive. $200,000+ for machine, mulcher, truck, and trailer, not including insurance, parts, interest, overhead costs, maintenance, etc. So the hourly charge must cover these cost, plus an acceptable profit margin, in order for this service to be available.
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Thank you.
Regards from South Africa.
@@antonhuman8446 South Africa- beautiful country!
Always enjoy the vids. Wish I had the stones to make the investment, just too unsure of the demand in my area.
Bobcat rental. In my area bout $500 a day for the skid and mulcher
How long would you expect it to take to clear an acre that is very heavy in 4 to 6 inch trees and heavy brush?
Carl White I just finished a job this week that was extremely dense growth of trees in the 4-6”, and up to 8” diameters and it took about 12 hours to mulch everything. This area was apparently an open field about 20 years ago, and it grew into a stand of dense, same size trees, all spaced 1-2 feet apart. So these trees had to basically be mulched down individually. That means raising the boom, mulching down the standing truck, them mulching the top of the tree on the ground. Since it was so dense, the trees had no place to fall, so they kept falling back onto the top of the machine. So it took a lot of backing up to get the tree to pull off the machine and onto the ground. All of the trees were in the 30’ + tall range, and this was on level ground. If the terrain is not even, it would have taken more time. Trees that are smaller than 3”-diameters can be “mowed” over with the mulcher. 4” and bigger need to be mulched standing.
Did you have any doubts on the demand for mulching in your area or has the demand surprised you?
I'm on the fence about a t770 purchase with mulching head and very curious. Got some land of my own that needs cleaning up and would love to make money with that purchase.
sean burdette When I started this business 4-years ago, my initial goal and hope was to at least cover all of my equipment costs. I knew there would be some level of demand since I was a land-owner and needed this service done, and there was no one who provided forestry mulching services. As it turned out, the demand out there provides 3-4 times the revenue each month needed to cover all of my costs. I could easily expand my business, but I'm happy with my one-man, one-machine enterprise right now. I keep it simple and uncomplicated.
sean burdette Hey Sean- If you have your own land that you need to get a lot of work done on using the capabilities of a bobcat and forestry mulcher (I also recommend a construction bucket and grapple), and you want to defray your costs by doing forestry mulching work for others to generate revenues, then the best way to reduce your risk and financial exposure is to lease the equipment for 1-2 years. The dealer covers the maintenance under warranty, and when you're lease is up, you just turn the equipment back in. Or you can lease for 1-year, see how much business you get, and if after that first year you think you are getting enough business to meet your business goals, then you can purchase that machine when the lease is up for a much lower "used" price. It's important to first know what your Owner-Operator Cost is going to be. Knowing this takes the mystery out of figuring out this business, and it provides you solid information to base your business decisions on.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC
That would be my exact idea as well, a one man operation as I work for railroad to provide paycheck and health insurance. But making money back off machine purchase as you know is key and I'm very interested in the work. Although I see the need for land cleanup in my area, just wonder if people will invest into their property as you have and I'm going too. I really appreciate the advice and any other tips... thanks alot.
sean burdette I can say without a doubt that people who own any amount of land greater than 1-acre will spend money to clear trees and brush from their land. I originally thought I'd be doing mostly contract work for municipalities, local, or state government, but I have so much demand from home-owners/land-owners and farmers, that I don't do any contract work. I've found most land-owners are comfortable budgeting between $1000-$3000 for clearing their property. That equates to about 1-3 acreas. But I also do jobs up to 20-acres, and everything in between. I get a lot of repeat business, a lot of word of mouth business, and multiple ongoing jobs with building contractors and landscaping business. This is the market niche I focus on.
How do you feel about running machine more years/hrs vs. trading for new every 2-3 years? Im running a 2013 Kubota with 1550 hrs. I can't decide if i want to risk repairs or buy a new one at the end ofthis year.
Cameron Ward Hi Cameron- For my business, I always try to manage risk anyway I can. Financially speaking, I manage financial risk by keeping the machine protected by a full maintenance warranty. I purchase the 3-year, 2000 hr warranty that Bobcat offers. I just want to avoid getting an unexpected $8000 bill because something broke. So I've been trading my machines at this 3-year Mark.
The second reason is taxes.
Paying for a good warranty upfront gets rolled into the loan, so this purchase cost is the basis price for determining depreciation on the machine (which is huge), and also the interest on the loan is deductible, in addition to all the other business related tax deductions. So I don't sweat the initial purchase costs, since I know there will be good income tax deduction off-sets.
So personally, as long as I am using the machine for business, I would never keep a machine without a warranty. This is what works for me. Every business situation is different.
Cameron Ward how is the dealer support if you can keep it under warranty keep it if not you could be stuck with a thousand dollar repair Bill plan for things to break keep insurance on everything
1550 is not many hours
@@grandpapete417 I bought it from a rental company and it was abused for 1100 of those hours.
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Depends on the maintenance done
What's the gauge beside the hoses measuring?
That gauge measures/displays the hydraulic pressure the mulcher’s drive motor is putting out. I think it’s to show the operator when the PSI decreases that the drum speed is decreasing when mulching. This gauge is totally not necessary. An experienced operator can hear and feel when the drum is slowing down when mulching. I actually removed this gauge. It was just something extra that will either get broken off, or leak.
I just noticed it’s a rental, it doesn’t seem to cut/mulch as well as yours. The pieces look a lot larger.
Raymond Hodge My Bobcat of Clarksville dealer has provided me this loaner machine while my machine is in the shop. I was getting air in my fuel system and I noticed a small loss of power. They are working it out.
This machine had good sharp cutter teeth that only had 65 hours on them. This video just showed the initial take down of the material. My GoPro camera batteries only last about 3-hours. I went over the area again and back-dragged it, and also finished off the area along the creek. That's when you get the bigger mulch turned into smaller mulch. You have a very sharp eye noticing these details! Lol!
I vote no music...just give us sped up sounds
cmatza Thanks for watching and your input👍
That thing is AWESOME! Have you had any problems with the stumps sprouting?
Ingrid Hunt Hi Ingrid. Yes, this machine is the right tool for clearing trees and brush as seen in this video. As far as stumps sprouting, all plant life will regenerate itself over time. Typically, people who have brush cleared will have a further plan for their property, and as long as the area is at least kept mowed, then the vegetation will be kept under control. It stumps are not allowed to sprout leaves, the the stump root will eventually die off.
How long before you can farm that land?
Jack Sprat After forestry mulching material this size in the video, the land can be immediately farmed. The ground can be disced to mix the mulch and soil. Roots will decompose over several months.
This particular video was of a building lot an owner wanted cleared so he could put it on the market to sell it.
I wouldn't want to run one of those because I don't like to back up.
Lol! You definitely would not like this job then. Back-dragging is the best part of the cutting action on these things.
What controls do you run in this machine?
Ryan Christopher Wagner Hey Ryan- My machine has the Selectable Joystick Controls (SJC), A91 options package, Tier 4 forestry applications kit M-series, reversing fan, air ride seat, sound reduction, heat/AC. These are the option that I think are essential for doing forestry mulching. I got some other options too, that are nice to have since I'm the guy sitting in the machine.
What do you think about the Diamond forestry mower? If you were getting in business again?
Brian Gardiner From the operators I hear from in this business, Diamond is apparently the highest quality for the implements they make. But there are major differences between a heavy mower/bushhog, and a rotary mulcher, and a drum forestry mulcher. They all have their place, and each have their design capabilities and limits.
From my experience in this business, I'd rule out rotary mulchers. They just don't come close to the finished product as drum mulchers can do. They throw material in every direction, are not as versatile, and they do not grind down to the surface, which farmers and land-owners want.
A heavy bushhog is just that, a bush hog. They are not designed to cut down 8" trees safely. A Diamond "mulcher" is not a forestry mulcher in this business. But a drum forestry mulcher is designed to clear everything 8" and smaller, very safely and effectively.
I would definitely recommend a drum forestry mulcher if you are planning on getting into the forestry mulching business.
Leave the cutter on the ground, go over it then turn around and come from the other way.
Back-dragging is the correct way to use a mulcher. It pulls more material into the drum and counter-tangs and processes the wood more completely. This isn't like bush-hogging.
How deep does the blade penetrate the soil? what about the roots?
Scott Burke I posted another video explaining how deep the teeth get into the soil that will be helpful to you. Link: czcams.com/video/cqp-Wu1cLUA/video.html
As far as the remaining roots, as long as the area is mowed for a few months after mulching and the tree stem and leaves are not allowed to regenerate, then the roots rot away in the soil. The size trees this machine mulches are 8"-diameters and smaller so the root systems are not that big. Farmers will typically disk over this mulched area to mix the mulch into the soil, break up these small roots, and then broadseed grass. This is all that's required, as long as the terrain is suitable.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC thanks for the info. I just bought a property that I need to clear about 50 acres of new growth up to 5 inch trees here in Alberta 🇨🇦 so I can have more pasture land.
Clevinger Forest Services, LLC I just watched that video very informative. Thanks.
Scott Burke Here is a good video that shows the 12-month residual effects of forestry mulching a grown up area, and turning it into pasture. czcams.com/video/hJzZWGOGl48/video.html
A forestry mulcher is the optimal piece of equipment to turn overgrown land into pasture. To give you a ballpark idea of time and cost to do this, if the size of the material is a maximum of 5"-diameters, and it's of average density (which means you can walk through it fairly easily but have to zig zag around the growth), and the terrain is reasonably level and free of obstacles such as gullies, then this material with these conditions can be cleared by forestry mulching at a production rate of about 4.5 hours per acre. 50-acres X 4.5 h/a = 225 hours. The going rate for this size machine is between $150-$200/hour (USD), or some operator charge by the day at $1200-1500/day. So a ballpark cost to have a business do this would be between $33K- $44K. A better option for you would be to lease a forestry mulching machine, with by the month if you can do the work every day, or just do a 1-year lease. These options would be over-all cheaper than hiring the work out for this much land. If your goal is to turn this area into pasture, then clear it as soon as possible. It doesn't get cheaper to clear by waiting. The optimal time to clear is late fall when a lot of the material goes dormant and lays down. This actually decreases some of the material mass to be cleared and will go a little faster.
I need one..can you run the machine all day on a tank of gas?
Bobcat93 Yes. This 2017 T770 model has a 42-gallon fuel tank. I run at full 2400 RPM doing forestry mulching, so the fuel burn rate is between 4.5 - 5 GPH. So it'll get an 8-hour day of running before having to refuel.
How much do you guys charge per hour?
Everyone has there own price structure based on their business plan and location.
I'm located in middle Tennessee, in Clarksville. I charge $150/hour, $125 equipment drop, and 4-hour minimum.
Prices for this size forestry mulcher machine range from $125-$250 per hour, depending on location and market.
How long did it take to mulch this job?
Jacob Bieber This took 5.6 hours to complete.
Factors that affect time are: size of material, density of material, slope of the ground, and any particular obstacles on ground that require special attention to maneuver over/around.
So it took 5.6 hours to clear 1.3 acres? I’ve got 7 acres of flat ground that’s identical to that. I was wondering how long it would take with the 870 and bobcat mulched.
It’s all saplings no bigger that 3 inches.
Jacob Bieber If the ground is generally flat with no obstacles, and the biggest material is no bigger than 3"-diameter, and the growth is medium density, then that would take me, using my T770, about 3-hours per acre. 7 acres would take 21 hours. That's my guess without seeing it in person. If the majority of the material is smaller than 3"-diameter, then it's more like 2-hours per acre. An option would be to bushog as much of the area as possible, and then use a forestry mulcher for the larger material. Bushogging costs about $100 per acre, if the material is not big enough to damage the bushog. Forestry mulching this size material (3"-diameter) costs about $450 per acre. A ballpark cost for 7-acres would be $3150. Generally speaking, it takes a fallowed field about 5 years for trees to grow to about 3"-diameters. If it's been growing longer than that, the material will be a little larger and denser. The material in this video had been growing for 8-years since it was last cut and there were trees with 5"-diameters and a lot clusters of 3"-4" poplar trees.
Great Videos,is your T770 a High Flow machine?
Bill Mitchell Thanks, Bill, I appreciate that. Yes, it's a high flow hydraulics machine. These mulchers require it.
How much does it cost for a 8 hr day
Randy Wilson I currently charge $1125 for 8-hours where I'm located in Tennessee.
What they going to do with the land
C80ree The owner of this 1.3 acres bought it 11 years earlier and had intended to build a home on it. He lived several miles away from this spot, so he had someone local bush hog it every couple of years. Well, it obviously got away from them and the guy bush hogging could only cut smaller and smaller areas (as seen in the grass areas), and the trees and brush got bigger and bigger. The owner had to move to Florida due to his work, so he wanted this land cleared so he could put it up for sale. Easier to sell, and for a higher price, when a buyer can see the land they are buying.
What do you charge for your services
Chris Cruz I charge $150/ hour in Clarksville, TN. But what I charge per hour is based on my business plan and cost structure to make a profit. Everyone's business structure, and locality, will have very different effects on what they will charge per hour. Forestry mulching machines of this exact size and set up, can charge anywhere from $125-$250 per hour depending on many factors, including what customers in a specific location will pay for this service. You have to understand your costs and your specific market.
Next plow the land, fertilize it, then grow crops.
JH Yes, that's all that's to it.
3:00 FUCKING SPIDER ON YOUR WINDOW!!!
The craziest thing was a 5' snake wrapped in the branches of a bush at about waist high off the ground. Normally, critters get out of the way when the ground starts rumbling.
I would love to use that on my ex wife's car 🤣 I paid for it but she got it.
HAHA!
try slowing your back drag i think your machine will grind up better
Joe Bailey What kind of mulcher head and teeth are you running?
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 I dont it just seemed like you were back dragging to fast your machine seemed to bounce when going backwards no disrespect intended
Joe Bailey None taken.
Some customers want things mulched up small, some customers just want the material taken down. Discussing the property owners goals with the clearing is a part of determining the scope of work for each job. The final mulching results are what the customer expected. I get paid only after they are satisfied with the work when I'm finished. This is how I do things to ensure I have satisfied customers and get future business.
@@clevingerforestservicesllc1164 makes sense
WHERE IS THE FOREST? .
LOOKS LIKE BUSHHOGGING TO ME.
David Hoover The owner of this property called some guys to bushhog this, and they said the material was too big. This needed a forestry mulcher.
Watch out for wildlife I hit a fawn while Bush hogging not a fun clean up
Evan dickens I definitely keep an eye out for fawns and turkey that stay hunkered down in the brush. Haven't hit any wildlife in 4 years, thankfully.