@@SuperRobertoClementeStill no excuses for a elite professional athlete to not be in shape, being paid millions of dollars a year to play. That's a team investment,Shaq should have put in some effort in staying fit.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 He was a defensive bully back then, so I don't think anyone on the Lakers was willing to stand up to him until they finally lost and he got traded.
Yet Kobe's body was so broken down when he retired that he couldn't really do much, period. He could walk for a bit. And he couldn't ride in cars. So imagine a big guy like Shaq working like Kobe. Something would break down in him.
Kobe and Hakeem on the same team would've been amazing! Although I will mention that Hakeem was nearing the end of his prime by the time Kobe was drafted to the nba; whereas Shaq was much younger at the time and definitely in his prime. Either way I would've loved to see the Dream alongside Kobe! One can only dream I suppose😅😂.
@@Josh-wg9uw Yes obviously I know that Hakeem is older than Kobe. Just wish Kobe never had to play with Shaq, played with someone more dedicated & skilled like The Dream. I personally favor Hakeem more than Shaq and rank him 1 place ahead on the all time list
You must not remember when Kobe ratted on shaq to the cops when he was caught up in grape allegations 😂😂. He said he should of just paid women off like shaq had. That got info obviously got out and shaqs wife heard about it.
@@865styleokay? And Shaq was obv in the wrong there... Doing awful shit he shouldn't even be doing?? So why are u standing up for the person committing the horrible acts?? Shows who your true character is....😬
@@865styleyep people always forget that situation and they all get treated like Saints now even though they were paying off underage girls and doing unthinkable things. And Shaw act like Kobe was one of his greatest friends. Let’s be honest Shaq is glad Kobe is gone cause he can’t talk about the past no more.
That’s how you saw it? I see him as a divider he never met them half way and also scapegoated Kobe… watch this whole interview Brian Shaw even mentioned that
@@TheStylishChefCheeseI do see it that way. I also listen to both Shaq & Kobe on Phil's approaches. Both have spoken highly about him with good reason. Kobe once shared in an interview about what a great mind Phil was. Shaq went down with an injury, and Phil asked Kobe to pick up the slack. So Kobe did. When Shaq healed up and returned, Kobe was still going full on, and it was disrupting team chemistry. Phil asked Kobe to dial it back. Kobe said why? Phil replied because if you keep going like you're going, I'm going to lose Shaq. He's going to lose interest and focus, and we are going to need him for the playoffs. Dial it back now, so we have the big fella clicking on all cylinders come playoff time. Kobe was like 🤯 holy shit, you're right. So he dialed it back, and big fella smoothly transitioned back into the lineup. He mentioned how Phil had a vision and mind for the little things, and how smart he was. I also don't know if I could agree that Phil used Kobe as a scapegoat. Those couple of years after Shaq left, Kobe was just a bad teammate and player to be around in general. He pushed everyone away (acknowledged by himself), and the lakers were pretty bad. It took Phil coming back, and Kobe dialing it back again, for him to win 2 more.
@@LynxStarAuto it took the lakers to get any kind of servicable player to put next to Kobe for them to get it together. Phil never did anything without the 2 best shooting guards in the history of the game. Did he save the day when they were falling apart to detroit? Nah, cause hes not on the court. Zen master tho, oooh... the triangle has never done anything, anywhere without Kobe or MJ. Doc Rivers won a chip. If that doesnt tell you how little it takes from a coach, I dunno what will. How bout Monty Williams in detroit. Goes from viewed as one of the best on a championship contender to "should he even be a coach" in less than a year. Smarten up, son.
@@fenixchief7Shaq was moving around 350+ pounds, Kobe was at most 190 during that time. You cannot expect Shaq to go full throttle for a full 82 games and stay healthy enough to play a full post season with 40+ minutes every game of every round.
And that's what made MJ and Kobe stand out from the rest because while they were playing they didn't take time off, the off season was when they worked their hardest training and getting everything right for the next season. That's what made them as great as they were
1st off mamba mentality not mj mentality mj was smokin and gambling that's not kobe bro just because they played similar don't mean you can attribute mj kobe qualities mj was better than almost everyone kobe worked to get to that point because he was facing better athletes an more skilled players
You don't know that and Lbj works out so much people start criticizing him for posting it you'll always trying act like mj and kobe did something so different and all it was is act like @$$ towards their teammates 🤔 and ball hog
It's crazy that Shaq was the one who was in a military household and Kobe was the golden child who's dad played in the nba. And Kobe is the one who is HARDCORE disciplined and Shaq was the supposed lazy one
To be fair, Shaq was gifted with freakish genetics compared to Kobe, so that probably led him to become lazy as he didn't need to put in the work like Kobe did to be successful.
Being in a military ran by whyte supremacist who call themselves Christian’s but sending people to murder other poor people in the name of maintaining the white power structure is not something to be proud of dude
Is it necessarily true that Shaq was lazy though? Or maybe it was just a perception thing? I'm just beginning to wonder because Brian Shaw said in the video that Phil was telling Shaq to take the summers off to rest and be healthy. You have to remember that Shaq was in fact raised in a military family and he respected authority to the fullest on top of just respecting Phil for who he was. So maybe he was just doing as he was told
Kobe was the kind of friend who wasn't afraid to tell you the truth even if it mean losing you because at the end he didn't lose a friend a friend lose him
I keep telling y'all Shaq would've never won without Kobe/Wade.. He couldn't do it when he was in Orlando, he didn't start winning until he played with Kobe/Wade..
You sound silly especially since Centers such as Kareem Abdul-jabbar & Bill Russell said a guy Shaq's size wouldn't last as long if he tried that. What year did Kobe play center again
The funny thing is, so many folks back then were hating on Kobe, blaming him for the breakup and saying he was selfish etc. No. Kobe was the one busting his but every single year, adding moves to his game, working out with other players in the league to learn their moves (Dirk, Dream etc.) so….. just like anyone else in any workplace, if you are out working your coworkers and they are getting preferential treatment and their lack of effort or readiness directly affects your success……. You’d be a little hot about it too.
Naw it’s was for the SA allegations everyone likes to forget about Now that he died I used to be one of the only dudes to bring him up for his skill and it would always be shutdown by the SA allegations(which it should be because I only give credit to his basketball abilities) but now thag he’s dead he another MJ
@@sirnoname6943 wrong. Kobe was disliked before then and people used to whine that he only won because of Shaq. All 3 rings came before those allegations.
@@BlackLight_VA that’s actually incorrect!! In 2005 the ECF in game 5 Wade got hurt. It was 3-2 Heat up on the Pistons. Wade missed game 6 due to an rib injury and came back game 7 but wasn’t the same player. That’s why they loss. If not for that injury Pistons get smoked and Heat play the Spurs in 2005. Gotta learn basketball if you are going to talk it👍🏽. Also in 2006 Shaq avg 20-10-2-2 from regular season and playoffs up until the finals. In the 2006 ECF Shaq avg 22-11 and was the most impactful player that series. Wade carried in the finals. When Shaq left that team Wade and Heat were trash not winning a single playoffs series for 4 years after until LeBron and Bosh showed up. Wade wasn’t squat without Shaq
@@BlackLight_VA like I said Shaq avg 20-10-2-2 from regular season and playoffs up until the finals and was more impactful in the ECF! When shaq left Miami ur boy Wade was trash couldn’t even win a playoff series for 4 years until LeBeon and Bosh shows up. Sorry Wade was garbage without Shaq
@@claytongiampaolo7848categorically false. Shaq had it easy because he was so much better than the opposing centers. So even though Kobe was 120 times the player, the offense is designed to go through shaq because he is leaps and bounds over his competition.
Kobe was just a man of focus. Basketball, day in day out. Hardly ever take a day off. That's why at the end of his career, he wasn't faded. Slowed down but the fire was still there. If he was given another chance to get to the finals. He'll will the team to win it all. Shaq on the other, was just let loose & we all know the history. If ge had the kobe mentality. Bruh, history gonna be re-written
And if they would have stayed Kobe would have been winning more MVPs than Shaq too the older Kobe got the better he was Shaq even if he stayed he was getting more out of shape and didn't care as much as Kobe
Shaq and Kobe are true personifications of yin and yang. couldn't be more opposite people, yet their harmony on the court was unmatched. They were the most dominant 1-2 punch in the history of the game by a long shot.
I mean Kobe had every right. Shaq didn’t really start winning until Kobe started getting heavy minutes. Utah and SA were beating Shaq in 4-5 games in the late 90’s
Everyone knows the real finals were in the WCF. Kobe cooked in those series. Spurs had already won in 99 and if Lakers weren't winning then it was spurs in the west. Shaq needed Kobe to get to the finals.
True, he needed Kobe to win in LA. Kobe was not a sidekick. He didn’t start winning in Orlando until he had a great wing/guard in Hardaway. People seem to forget how great Hardaway was until he got hurt. He needed a peak Wade to win in Miami. Shaq needed a great guard like Kobe, Wade, and Hardaway to win or contend. He never could otherwise. Wade and Kobe won without Shaq though.
Here's a theory: Phil was notorious for playing mind games. Maybe he told Shaq this to test Kobe's leadership qualities. Considering he didn't intervene by telling Kobe to chill, Phil may have wanted to see if Kobe or anyone else would step up to demand accountability from Shaq.
Kobe just wanted Shaq to take working seriously, obviously Kobe worked hard,more willing to do so,while Shaq mess around,play around. Kobe was nearly 6 and a half years younger than Shaq yet wiser.
When The Diesel went to Miami he spent all off-season doing cardio at Gold's Gym in Orlando. I saw him in person while I was member there. Pat Riley already knew how to deal with it.
@@srensen3081 oh yeah what was Jordan than he is hated by pretty much hated by mostly Bulls players they are doing a tour right now talking about how much they hate Jordan trust me a leader is mostly hated not liked a leader will tell you what you don't wanna hear and that my friend are mainly the people who want have that many friends but will succeed in life you not gonna have too many friends on the road to being successful just giving you life advice but look at Jordan and Kobe them being leaders gave them more championships than Shaq and Lebron all put together you see Shaq wasn't really trying to be no leader why you think before Kobe came he had all that help from Eddie Jones and Van Axel P Hardaway and still was losing because he was too busy living the Hollywood life more than winning a championship Lebron Tries to be friends and share the ball to 68 overalls on his team and wonder why he kept losing in the finals. Kobe and Jordan is like you gonna have to earn my respect to get this ball thats not being selfish thats being smart so therefore you won't have a J.R. Smith moment again lol why would Jordan and Kobe keep passing the ball to their team mates when its time to close a game you putting too much pressure on them Lebron does that a lot to protect his stats and to say you see it was my team mate that fuc... up not me and that my friend is being selfish just in reverse Shaq won 1 without Kobe with no fmvp Kobe won 2 without Shaq and 2 mvps look like Shaq was giving them finals mvp because he was the veteran with the better look but Kobe game was better than Shaq Kobe can shoot threes, free throws, and was a better closer than Shaq and more focus Shaq can thank Kobe for them MVPs. Shaq of course win them mvps in that easy a.. finals game but who balled out everytime on the road to the finals yeah Kobe even when there toughest competition was on the West so them mvps don't really count Shaq couldn't do nothing to Duncan while Kobe was cooking Duncan ok so when the finals came Kobe sit back a little after he poured his heart out on the court in them tough a.. Western Semi-Finals and still don't get no credit because he is not 7'1 320lbs
I mean the mamba mentality worked for Kobe but Phil was smart too not overdoing Shaq and trying to use the regular season so his form and fitness would peak at playoffs
That’s just not true. Phil never told him to come in out of shape. It also drove Phil nuts Shaq would do that. Phil talks about it in a couple of his books
Man I'm tired of everyone talking 💩 about shaq, This Brother took so many Beatings on his body that it was crazy, from his LSU Days to the NBA, There is no doubt kobe was a Beast but Shaq didn't want to be in a gym like that, kobe had to do the stuff he did because he wasn't the Biggest, fastest, strongest ETC. SHAQ Still DOMINATED, The brother was a DAMN ATHLETIC GIANT AMONGEST BOYS, Everyone is different people, So When you guys sit up here and glorify Kobe, YOU NEED TO PULL UP THE TAPES ON BIG FELLOW & MAYBE THEN IT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE!!! ✌🏿
Watched them both, Whole careers. Shaq was in shape when he played for LSU, Let's not forget about Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts. As a superstar athlete, when a team is paying you 180 million over six years you should be in shape. Kobe did what a professional does, work hard and perfect his game. That's what a elite professional athlete is supposed to do, not sit around and eat without a care. Sounds like you're trying to shame Kobe for working hard. It's the NBA, not the court in the hood.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 You really took my comment totally wrong Big Guy, Nor did I ever bash Kobe, Kobe never took the kinds beating Shaq did, Shaq rested his body as much as possible when he wasn't on the court and he still delivered, Now do you really think they couldn't have won several more championships together had Kobe not kept his mouth shut, I Think they still would have won & for Kobe to go on tv and say he should have paid off the chick and cover it up like Shaq does was TOTAL DISRESPECTFUL & I BE DAMN IF I WOULD WANT TO STILL PLAY ALONGSIDE THAT BULL💩 EITHER... ✌🏿 MY BROTHER.... PRECIATE THE COMMENT THOUGH....
When everybody praise you it's hard to hear the truth when it's presented. Kobe was a truth teller while all the others teabagged Shaq. That's why Kobe was never a sidekick. A true leader keeps others around him sharp.
@@demichelloconley1888 says who? If you don't max out your potential then you have to be open to criticism. Shaq himself says he's regretful he didn't work as hard as others, and even said he's jealous that he's not mentioned in the GOAT conversation when he could have been...
Those 3 could have been 1 or 0. The real finals in those days were in the WCF. Timmy D had already won in 99. Kobe cooked in the WCF and Shaq couldn't get it done before Kobe became Kobe. He had Penny and then had 3 more yrs to win while Kobe was a bench rider.
I mean, Phil was absolutely enabling him to take it easy because Shaq was uncontrollable back then. But because he was SHAQ, most people around him did that regularly. Kobe said it best, if he had really tried, he would’ve been the greatest of all time. Let’s applaud Kobe for being the only one BIG ENOUGH to stand up to Shaq. Pat Riley did too though 🤣
Kobe said what everyone else was thinking 😂😂 as a Lakers fan it does upset me knowing what Shaq could’ve been but chose to be. He picked the money and notoriety over championships and when he decided he wanted to win again it was way too late. If he would’ve had that attitude just like Kobe and stayed with the Lakers maaaaan forget the best duo we would’ve been arguing between who was better shaq or Kobe😂 and they still would’ve been considered the greatest 1 2 punch of all time!
Even tho Kobe was a helluva player nobody was afraid of him, they actually challenged him man to man whether they won or lost that battle, but nobody was afraid of him, mafuckas was afraid of Shaq, there was literally nobody that could mess with him, outta shape or not he was still a freaking unit, but most definitely if he took his conditioning more serious he would most likely had gotten more hardware....
I saw a clip of a Kobe interview, I believe with Kimmel that Shaq got offended because Jimmy asked Kobe about this. Kobe said that if Shaq had his work ethic, Shaq would be the GOAT.
See, it's stories like this that really let u know how players judge players. I will always listen to the players who played the game. All the players know that Mike and Kobe r light years above the rest. If u have eyes and u seen them both play. No players were on their level . No players💯
Shot Kobe was always rite just imagine if Shaq had the mamba mentallity and dedicación and love for winning and the sport. They would have had like 20 Championships.
Almost thought he was gonna say. "Kobe wasnt having that, he built a bigger house right next to shaq's and had more cars." "He even played catch with shaq's kids"
When he started the sentence off saying everybody with the exception of Kobe Bryant, and then continue to say 99.9% of the players say you got it big fella oh, I was waiting for the end mamba mentality!
He was such a different monster! A tru leader, and existed on another level! We all lost big time whit his passing, I don't even like basketball, but respect is due to an incredible human!
They would have won more if Kobe accepted playing through Shaq all the time. Shaq was definitely the best player on the planet and young version of Kobe could not accept that.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 Shaq was a #1 of 1. The only player in the top 10 who was a underachiever. That right there tells you his immense talent. It's a game against Toronto, he was like 29 and much heavier. He stole the ball and did a 180 dunk. He was a freak if nature. I know Wilt could lift alot and jump and had great stamina but he would have had his hands full with Shaq. That was a powerful, bouncy, 350 pound dude.
“If Shaq worked out like I did in the off season we would’ve had 10 rings” - Kobe
Or maybe he would have broken down sooner. Not all bodies are meant to go hard 24/7
@@SuperRobertoClementeStill no excuses for a elite professional athlete to not be in shape, being paid millions of dollars a year to play. That's a team investment,Shaq should have put in some effort in staying fit.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 He was a defensive bully back then, so I don't think anyone on the Lakers was willing to stand up to him until they finally lost and he got traded.
@@SuperRobertoClementehe didn’t get traded cause they lost
Yet Kobe's body was so broken down when he retired that he couldn't really do much, period. He could walk for a bit. And he couldn't ride in cars. So imagine a big guy like Shaq working like Kobe. Something would break down in him.
Mamba mentality from day 1, just imagine if Kobe was able pair up with Hakeem instead of Shaq. Perfect match!!
Kobe and Hakeem on the same team would've been amazing! Although I will mention that Hakeem was nearing the end of his prime by the time Kobe was drafted to the nba; whereas Shaq was much younger at the time and definitely in his prime. Either way I would've loved to see the Dream alongside Kobe! One can only dream I suppose😅😂.
@@Josh-wg9uw Yes obviously I know that Hakeem is older than Kobe. Just wish Kobe never had to play with Shaq, played with someone more dedicated & skilled like The Dream. I personally favor Hakeem more than Shaq and rank him 1 place ahead on the all time list
@@sickamorestylzgood thing nobody cares about your list
I’ll take peak Shaq over peak Hakeem and peak Kobe
@@BIgZz00 for easy buckets yes, but as far as skill set goes, Kobe & Hakeem are superior to Shaq. All he does is Dunk, can’t even hit a freebie
Kobe was brave and not a coward💜
You must not remember when Kobe ratted on shaq to the cops when he was caught up in grape allegations 😂😂. He said he should of just paid women off like shaq had. That got info obviously got out and shaqs wife heard about it.
@@865styleokay? And Shaq was obv in the wrong there... Doing awful shit he shouldn't even be doing?? So why are u standing up for the person committing the horrible acts?? Shows who your true character is....😬
@@philvillafana2584hater
Kobe was the one person who wasn't afraid to call it as it was😂😂😂😂
@@865styleyep people always forget that situation and they all get treated like Saints now even though they were paying off underage girls and doing unthinkable things. And Shaw act like Kobe was one of his greatest friends. Let’s be honest Shaq is glad Kobe is gone cause he can’t talk about the past no more.
Phil was smart enough not to over work Shaq. He dealt with different players differently. One of GOAT coaches.
That’s how you saw it? I see him as a divider he never met them half way and also scapegoated Kobe… watch this whole interview Brian Shaw even mentioned that
@@TheStylishChefCheeseI do see it that way. I also listen to both Shaq & Kobe on Phil's approaches. Both have spoken highly about him with good reason.
Kobe once shared in an interview about what a great mind Phil was. Shaq went down with an injury, and Phil asked Kobe to pick up the slack. So Kobe did. When Shaq healed up and returned, Kobe was still going full on, and it was disrupting team chemistry. Phil asked Kobe to dial it back.
Kobe said why? Phil replied because if you keep going like you're going, I'm going to lose Shaq. He's going to lose interest and focus, and we are going to need him for the playoffs. Dial it back now, so we have the big fella clicking on all cylinders come playoff time. Kobe was like 🤯 holy shit, you're right. So he dialed it back, and big fella smoothly transitioned back into the lineup. He mentioned how Phil had a vision and mind for the little things, and how smart he was.
I also don't know if I could agree that Phil used Kobe as a scapegoat. Those couple of years after Shaq left, Kobe was just a bad teammate and player to be around in general. He pushed everyone away (acknowledged by himself), and the lakers were pretty bad. It took Phil coming back, and Kobe dialing it back again, for him to win 2 more.
@@LynxStarAuto it took the lakers to get any kind of servicable player to put next to Kobe for them to get it together. Phil never did anything without the 2 best shooting guards in the history of the game. Did he save the day when they were falling apart to detroit? Nah, cause hes not on the court. Zen master tho, oooh... the triangle has never done anything, anywhere without Kobe or MJ.
Doc Rivers won a chip. If that doesnt tell you how little it takes from a coach, I dunno what will. How bout Monty Williams in detroit. Goes from viewed as one of the best on a championship contender to "should he even be a coach" in less than a year. Smarten up, son.
Sounds like he was soft, same as you and shaq lol. Mamba mentality too harsh for most these days.
@@fenixchief7Shaq was moving around 350+ pounds, Kobe was at most 190 during that time. You cannot expect Shaq to go full throttle for a full 82 games and stay healthy enough to play a full post season with 40+ minutes every game of every round.
And that's what made MJ and Kobe stand out from the rest because while they were playing they didn't take time off, the off season was when they worked their hardest training and getting everything right for the next season. That's what made them as great as they were
1 of them retired 3x 😅.
Like LeBron isn’t equivalent to them 😂
1st off mamba mentality not mj mentality mj was smokin and gambling that's not kobe bro just because they played similar don't mean you can attribute mj kobe qualities mj was better than almost everyone kobe worked to get to that point because he was facing better athletes an more skilled players
Your favorite player is way overrated.
You don't know that and Lbj works out so much people start criticizing him for posting it you'll always trying act like mj and kobe did something so different and all it was is act like @$$ towards their teammates 🤔 and ball hog
It's crazy that Shaq was the one who was in a military household and Kobe was the golden child who's dad played in the nba. And Kobe is the one who is HARDCORE disciplined and Shaq was the supposed lazy one
To be fair, Shaq was gifted with freakish genetics compared to Kobe, so that probably led him to become lazy as he didn't need to put in the work like Kobe did to be successful.
Being in a military ran by whyte supremacist who call themselves Christian’s but sending people to murder other poor people in the name of maintaining the white power structure is not something to be proud of dude
@@user-nz5nd9xq1g user- fair assumption
Is it necessarily true that Shaq was lazy though? Or maybe it was just a perception thing? I'm just beginning to wonder because Brian Shaw said in the video that Phil was telling Shaq to take the summers off to rest and be healthy. You have to remember that Shaq was in fact raised in a military family and he respected authority to the fullest on top of just respecting Phil for who he was. So maybe he was just doing as he was told
Don't think it wassupposed, but reality
Kobe was the kind of friend who wasn't afraid to tell you the truth even if it mean losing you because at the end he didn't lose a friend a friend lose him
Damn bro that's deep😮
Thank you Kobe for being real and yourself..
I keep telling y'all Shaq would've never won without Kobe/Wade..
He couldn't do it when he was in Orlando, he didn't start winning until he played with Kobe/Wade..
Kobe's work ethic was unmatched, making him truly one of the greatest. Shaq could have achieved even more if he had followed Kobe's lead.
Kobe was just the sidekick to Shaq. Shaq was the alpha during those Finals runs....
@@tbjb009for about 2 seasons then it changed don't down play The Mamba... thats why Shaq feels bad Kobe copped more hardware than him lol cut it out
@@tbjb009No, he wasn't. He just outweighed his opponents by 70-80lbs.
You sound silly especially since Centers such as Kareem Abdul-jabbar & Bill Russell said a guy Shaq's size wouldn't last as long if he tried that. What year did Kobe play center again
@@melvynsngltn27 Apparently from 96-2004.
The standard is the standard
The gold standard.... whey protein
Can't call yourself a leader if you don't lead. Kobe stood by that Rip
The funny thing is, so many folks back then were hating on Kobe, blaming him for the breakup and saying he was selfish etc. No. Kobe was the one busting his but every single year, adding moves to his game, working out with other players in the league to learn their moves (Dirk, Dream etc.) so….. just like anyone else in any workplace, if you are out working your coworkers and they are getting preferential treatment and their lack of effort or readiness directly affects your success……. You’d be a little hot about it too.
Imagine Kobe being the villain all these years for working hard
Naw it’s was for the SA allegations everyone likes to forget about Now that he died I used to be one of the only dudes to bring him up for his skill and it would always be shutdown by the SA allegations(which it should be because I only give credit to his basketball abilities) but now thag he’s dead he another MJ
@@sirnoname6943 wrong. Kobe was disliked before then and people used to whine that he only won because of Shaq. All 3 rings came before those allegations.
Shaq should’ve listened to Kobe and got in shape in the off season.
Truth
@@MoreSmartter Why? Because at his peak, he was 373lbs!!! 🤡🤡
Kobe's greatness can not be defined by stats! The real GOAT! Enough said!
not enough said
infact you said nothing
MGay and GayBron, nuf said
In your opinion what made him the 🐐?
@@StevenHunterPangians1 what makes a crow black?
@@StevenHunterPangians1• 🐐🐐🐐 travel in herds.
Leave it alone.
Dwade too Shaq even said himself that was his team
It was Shaq’s team his first year in Miami (2005) he finished 2nd in MVP.
@@BIgZz00 That's why they lost. They won when everybody realized it was Wade's team.
@@BlackLight_VA that’s actually incorrect!! In 2005 the ECF in game 5 Wade got hurt. It was 3-2 Heat up on the Pistons. Wade missed game 6 due to an rib injury and came back game 7 but wasn’t the same player. That’s why they loss. If not for that injury Pistons get smoked and Heat play the Spurs in 2005. Gotta learn basketball if you are going to talk it👍🏽. Also in 2006 Shaq avg 20-10-2-2 from regular season and playoffs up until the finals. In the 2006 ECF Shaq avg 22-11 and was the most impactful player that series. Wade carried in the finals. When Shaq left that team Wade and Heat were trash not winning a single playoffs series for 4 years after until LeBron and Bosh showed up. Wade wasn’t squat without Shaq
@@BIgZz00 They won the finals when Wade led them as the MVP. It was his team. Don't know what point you was trying to make with that long comment.
@@BlackLight_VA like I said Shaq avg 20-10-2-2 from regular season and playoffs up until the finals and was more impactful in the ECF! When shaq left Miami ur boy Wade was trash couldn’t even win a playoff series for 4 years until LeBeon and Bosh shows up. Sorry Wade was garbage without Shaq
Legendary NBA players are cool
legendary pornstars are cool too, kinda inherent in the word "legendary"
If Shaq stayed in shape they would have won 3 more rings.
Shaq has injuries and healed in the off season
Maybe, shaq carried them "out of shape"
@@claytongiampaolo7848categorically false. Shaq had it easy because he was so much better than the opposing centers. So even though Kobe was 120 times the player, the offense is designed to go through shaq because he is leaps and bounds over his competition.
Or he could've gotten hurt faster
@@TheGhostofMrArthurs"better" = bigger
Shaq had hair 😂
Kobe was just a man of focus. Basketball, day in day out. Hardly ever take a day off. That's why at the end of his career, he wasn't faded. Slowed down but the fire was still there. If he was given another chance to get to the finals. He'll will the team to win it all. Shaq on the other, was just let loose & we all know the history. If ge had the kobe mentality. Bruh, history gonna be re-written
A big man with a big heart
Thats why there was only 1 kobe he was the best alll around dude
Umm,we already seen a much better Kobe....MJ. Now we never seen another MJ, though. Kobe was just a Great Value version of MJ 😂
Now, just imagine how much more they would have won if shaq just listened
And if they would have stayed Kobe would have been winning more MVPs than Shaq too the older Kobe got the better he was Shaq even if he stayed he was getting more out of shape and didn't care as much as Kobe
now just imagine how much better every single person would be if they didnt have flaws, wow its amazing
Reason #5150 why he’s my favorite athlete of all-time!
Shaq couldn't handle that real talk from Kobe so he ran 😂😂
He got traded
@@MoreSmartter no he didnt, hope this helps.
Crazy that the COACH was giving Shaq the green light to laze away the offseason…but Coach Kobe wasn’t feelin it 😆😆
Shaq and Kobe are true personifications of yin and yang. couldn't be more opposite people, yet their harmony on the court was unmatched. They were the most dominant 1-2 punch in the history of the game by a long shot.
Kobe was just real... Shaq just too egotistical and reluctant and complacent coz of his size... Never imagined that size could be his own weakness.
During his prime he was far from weak
dont act like kobe didnt have an ego
@@srensen3081we don't Kobe drive was by far unmatched between Shaq n Kobe
I mean Kobe had every right. Shaq didn’t really start winning until Kobe started getting heavy minutes. Utah and SA were beating Shaq in 4-5 games in the late 90’s
Everyone knows the real finals were in the WCF. Kobe cooked in those series. Spurs had already won in 99 and if Lakers weren't winning then it was spurs in the west. Shaq needed Kobe to get to the finals.
@@CampLife-pl7ezand Kobe was the sidekick to those runs too....Shaq was the man
@@tbjb009 Only a casual would say such a thing. Go look at the tapes, or u done with the 2000s too?
True, he needed Kobe to win in LA. Kobe was not a sidekick. He didn’t start winning in Orlando until he had a great wing/guard in Hardaway. People seem to forget how great Hardaway was until he got hurt. He needed a peak Wade to win in Miami. Shaq needed a great guard like Kobe, Wade, and Hardaway to win or contend. He never could otherwise. Wade and Kobe won without Shaq though.
@@ehrenthompson7891Wade and Kobe won wing out Shaq? Are you forgetting who they had on those teams they won with?
It still feels weird hearing Kobe be talking in the past tense. It's sad man..
At least he had the ball too stand up and keep it real
Here's a theory: Phil was notorious for playing mind games. Maybe he told Shaq this to test Kobe's leadership qualities. Considering he didn't intervene by telling Kobe to chill, Phil may have wanted to see if Kobe or anyone else would step up to demand accountability from Shaq.
Kobe said his ass was in the gym 10 hours a day 😂
He ain't ever lie.
Kobe just wanted Shaq to take working seriously, obviously Kobe worked hard,more willing to do so,while Shaq mess around,play around. Kobe was nearly 6 and a half years younger than Shaq yet wiser.
That’s y Kobe the greatest
Greatest asshole ever
That's why he's saying Kobe is one of the goats and that he wanted to talk with him more!
RIP black mamba legend mamba for ever we miss you brother black mamba for ever Lakers legend 🐍💛💜
Simply as I can put it that's Kobe Bryant that's the mamba mentality 😂
When The Diesel went to Miami he spent all off-season doing cardio at Gold's Gym in Orlando. I saw him in person while I was member there. Pat Riley already knew how to deal with it.
Kobe said without a doubt, Shaq would have been the world's greatest player, if he had his work ethic
Which shows you who was the leader for the Lakers from the start and that is Kobe
No it really fucking didn’t 😂 90% of the teammates they had sided with Shaq, many detested Kobe
THIS 100%!@@hardwoodthought1213
cant be a leader if youre actively hated by your teammates buddy
@@srensen3081 oh yeah what was Jordan than he is hated by pretty much hated by mostly Bulls players they are doing a tour right now talking about how much they hate Jordan trust me a leader is mostly hated not liked a leader will tell you what you don't wanna hear and that my friend are mainly the people who want have that many friends but will succeed in life you not gonna have too many friends on the road to being successful just giving you life advice but look at Jordan and Kobe them being leaders gave them more championships than Shaq and Lebron all put together you see Shaq wasn't really trying to be no leader why you think before Kobe came he had all that help from Eddie Jones and Van Axel P Hardaway and still was losing because he was too busy living the Hollywood life more than winning a championship Lebron Tries to be friends and share the ball to 68 overalls on his team and wonder why he kept losing in the finals. Kobe and Jordan is like you gonna have to earn my respect to get this ball thats not being selfish thats being smart so therefore you won't have a J.R. Smith moment again lol why would Jordan and Kobe keep passing the ball to their team mates when its time to close a game you putting too much pressure on them Lebron does that a lot to protect his stats and to say you see it was my team mate that fuc... up not me and that my friend is being selfish just in reverse Shaq won 1 without Kobe with no fmvp Kobe won 2 without Shaq and 2 mvps look like Shaq was giving them finals mvp because he was the veteran with the better look but Kobe game was better than Shaq Kobe can shoot threes, free throws, and was a better closer than Shaq and more focus Shaq can thank Kobe for them MVPs. Shaq of course win them mvps in that easy a.. finals game but who balled out everytime on the road to the finals yeah Kobe even when there toughest competition was on the West so them mvps don't really count Shaq couldn't do nothing to Duncan while Kobe was cooking Duncan ok so when the finals came Kobe sit back a little after he poured his heart out on the court in them tough a.. Western Semi-Finals and still don't get no credit because he is not 7'1 320lbs
If he had listened Shaq would have been the greatest of all time and it wouldn't have been a question.
Kobe Bryant was absolutely correct💯%
I mean the mamba mentality worked for Kobe but Phil was smart too not overdoing Shaq and trying to use the regular season so his form and fitness would peak at playoffs
That’s just not true. Phil never told him to come in out of shape. It also drove Phil nuts Shaq would do that. Phil talks about it in a couple of his books
He was saying that Phil asked Shaq to be in shape,
Idk why u didn't doubt urself when u misheard lol. Nobody would say that
Phil is a known liar
@@pfunk42bra use your brain. Phil would’ve wanted shaq to come in camp in shape
@@pfunk42Phil is a big time prick not much of a liar though.
Man I'm tired of everyone talking 💩 about shaq, This Brother took so many Beatings on his body that it was crazy, from his LSU Days to the NBA, There is no doubt kobe was a Beast but Shaq didn't want to be in a gym like that, kobe had to do the stuff he did because he wasn't the Biggest, fastest, strongest ETC. SHAQ Still DOMINATED, The brother was a DAMN ATHLETIC GIANT AMONGEST BOYS, Everyone is different people, So When you guys sit up here and glorify Kobe, YOU NEED TO PULL UP THE TAPES ON BIG FELLOW & MAYBE THEN IT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE!!! ✌🏿
Watched them both, Whole careers. Shaq was in shape when he played for LSU, Let's not forget about Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts. As a superstar athlete, when a team is paying you 180 million over six years you should be in shape. Kobe did what a professional does, work hard and perfect his game. That's what a elite professional athlete is supposed to do, not sit around and eat without a care. Sounds like you're trying to shame Kobe for working hard. It's the NBA, not the court in the hood.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 You really took my comment totally wrong Big Guy, Nor did I ever bash Kobe, Kobe never took the kinds beating Shaq did, Shaq rested his body as much as possible when he wasn't on the court and he still delivered, Now do you really think they couldn't have won several more championships together had Kobe not kept his mouth shut, I Think they still would have won & for Kobe to go on tv and say he should have paid off the chick and cover it up like Shaq does was TOTAL DISRESPECTFUL & I BE DAMN IF I WOULD WANT TO STILL PLAY ALONGSIDE THAT BULL💩 EITHER... ✌🏿 MY BROTHER.... PRECIATE THE COMMENT THOUGH....
When everybody praise you it's hard to hear the truth when it's presented. Kobe was a truth teller while all the others teabagged Shaq. That's why Kobe was never a sidekick. A true leader keeps others around him sharp.
Love Kobe For That it’s Always Someone In Your Life Who Thinks They Are Above Criticism Due To Everyone Kissing There Ass…. Humility is A Talent
You can't question Shaq, 3 final MVP's
Yes, but even shaq would agree that he didn't have a strong enough work ethic. He could've been even better if he worked on his game like Kobe did.
Can't question the man
@@demichelloconley1888 says who? If you don't max out your potential then you have to be open to criticism. Shaq himself says he's regretful he didn't work as hard as others, and even said he's jealous that he's not mentioned in the GOAT conversation when he could have been...
Those 3 could of been 6 or 7. That's da difference mentality
Those 3 could have been 1 or 0. The real finals in those days were in the WCF. Timmy D had already won in 99. Kobe cooked in the WCF and Shaq couldn't get it done before Kobe became Kobe. He had Penny and then had 3 more yrs to win while Kobe was a bench rider.
We all knew that if Shaq worked out like how Kobe did. GOAT conversation would’ve been different right now. And I’m an MJ fan.
If Shaq put in the work in the off season he could of been the greatest of all time.
Sadly Shaq admitted he was wrong for doing that. Dude was almost at 400 pounds by the end of his LA days.
"If Shaq wasn't so lazy, he'd have 12 rings." - Kobe
Kobe would probably have been a great college coach.
I mean, Phil was absolutely enabling him to take it easy because Shaq was uncontrollable back then. But because he was SHAQ, most people around him did that regularly. Kobe said it best, if he had really tried, he would’ve been the greatest of all time. Let’s applaud Kobe for being the only one BIG ENOUGH to stand up to Shaq. Pat Riley did too though 🤣
Shaq missed his opportunity to be in the GOAT conversation 🐐
Kobe said what everyone else was thinking 😂😂 as a Lakers fan it does upset me knowing what Shaq could’ve been but chose to be. He picked the money and notoriety over championships and when he decided he wanted to win again it was way too late. If he would’ve had that attitude just like Kobe and stayed with the Lakers maaaaan forget the best duo we would’ve been arguing between who was better shaq or Kobe😂 and they still would’ve been considered the greatest 1 2 punch of all time!
if shaq had kobes work ethic there wouldnt be no debate about who was better are you mental?
Even tho Kobe was a helluva player nobody was afraid of him, they actually challenged him man to man whether they won or lost that battle, but nobody was afraid of him, mafuckas was afraid of Shaq, there was literally nobody that could mess with him, outta shape or not he was still a freaking unit, but most definitely if he took his conditioning more serious he would most likely had gotten more hardware....
Imagine Kobe playing with Wilt
Of course Shaq has a big house he’s a 150 feet tall
I saw a clip of a Kobe interview, I believe with Kimmel that Shaq got offended because Jimmy asked Kobe about this. Kobe said that if Shaq had his work ethic, Shaq would be the GOAT.
See, it's stories like this that really let u know how players judge players. I will always listen to the players who played the game. All the players know that Mike and Kobe r light years above the rest. If u have eyes and u seen them both play. No players were on their level . No players💯
Shaq wasn’t able to lead and lost Kobe’s ear.
Shaq with Kobe's work ethic would have been the undisputed GOAT
kobe with shaq's social skills wouldve been the goat
Imagine if Shaq had that Mamba mentality. Wow
Good thing he wasn’t because if he were there would be no Kobe.
fuck yeah, lets have exactly 2 players who want to stay on that team
Shot Kobe was always rite just imagine if Shaq had the mamba mentallity and dedicación and love for winning and the sport. They would have had like 20 Championships.
Shoutout to the Mamba✊🏿
If Shaq played with 100% effort every minute of every game his career would’ve been cut in half.
Almost thought he was gonna say.
"Kobe wasnt having that, he built a bigger house right next to shaq's and had more cars."
"He even played catch with shaq's kids"
Kobe may not have said it but everyone knows the lakers were shaqs team when it was him and kobe
Makes so much sense now. Always wondered where the animosity came from but it was fundamental, not purely ego. Ok, some ego 🙃
I've always been on Kobe's side with this one 😅
You could really tell in Lebron's years at Miami, it was really shaqs heat
Kobe was just feisty and never wanted to be a "second fiddle" to nobody because he knew he had the talent to be a superstar
When he started the sentence off saying everybody with the exception of Kobe Bryant, and then continue to say 99.9% of the players say you got it big fella oh, I was waiting for the end mamba mentality!
He was such a different monster! A tru leader, and existed on another level! We all lost big time whit his passing, I don't even like basketball, but respect is due to an incredible human!
Kobe is and always will be the GOAT
I relate to Kobe. That’s how I get with people I love and care for. Don’t be lazy and get your business straight. I don’t like lazy people
Kobe dropping The Truth Bomb. The truth hurts big fella. 😂😂😂
Shaw kept switching teams in the end
The biggest guy had the most insecurity smh
Different breed rip mamba we all miss you
KOBE said nope 😮😂
Kobe missed out on that one that was the way to handle Shaq
So i guess we just gone act like D Wade wasnt that guy during Shaq's last successful championship ring run?smh
If Shaq had worked half as hard as Kobe they would have won ten Championships.
Kobe wasn’t wrong
They would have won more if Kobe accepted playing through Shaq all the time. Shaq was definitely the best player on the planet and young version of Kobe could not accept that.
This is why I miss the Shaq from Orlando magic he was 7'1 295 to 300 pounds very lean
The night ge got drafted he was 303 and that was as a 20 year old. I just think some of those Laker days there were times he was close to 400 pounds.
That Shaq could run the floor like a small forward,and could jump out the gym. If Shaq had stayed around 300-310,he would have been the Goat.
@@millardthomas9059He was,in '01 he definitely was about 380.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 Shaq was a #1 of 1. The only player in the top 10 who was a underachiever. That right there tells you his immense talent. It's a game against Toronto, he was like 29 and much heavier. He stole the ball and did a 180 dunk. He was a freak if nature. I know Wilt could lift alot and jump and had great stamina but he would have had his hands full with Shaq. That was a powerful, bouncy, 350 pound dude.
So basically Phil should have stood up to Kob and let him know he told Shaq that was ok
If shaq had pride in his body..goat debate would look different
Kobe was the Alpha of that team. Shaq was the biggest on the team.
this is the perfect summary of the root of their beef
Shaq sound like he's about to have an asthma attack, he should be in shape even though he retire years ago.
You gotta be crazy telling 7'1", 300 lb Shaq "Yo fat a$$..." anything 😂😂😂
Some people are built different.
If Shaq could of stayed like Orlando shaq the league would of been in trouble for a long time
Shaq had nothing else to prove just look at his career and his stats he’s one of the greatest
Shaq let haters hate just motivational
R.I.P. 🐍🕊️
Out of shape Shaq still dominating the league 😂
Kobe had that dawg in him. He dngaf. No excuses. If you don't work as hard as he does, f you.
And seriously, you gotta respect that.