😬Why Haven't India Won ANYTHING Since 2013 & Are England BIGGEST Underachievers? | Bumble & Kimber
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00:00 Why Haven't India Won anything since 2013
07:07 Are England, the biggest underachievers in cricket
talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with the legendary David 'Bumble' Lloyd and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
In today's episode, Bumble and Kimber discuss why India hasn't won an ICC major event since 2013 and whether India fears failing? They also discuss whether England is the biggest underachiever in cricket.
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Indian people watching this, everyone knows India will not win T20 World Cup, but rather celebrate Virat and Rohit again..
Because India doesn't has strong finisher(the likes of Jadeja )and proper bowling line up ,the only thing remains to celebrate is the milestone of the respective players u mentioned
There are others players aswell not only virat and rohit both guys have performed every single game so
@@nomadicpakistani9092 rohit is actually the worst t20 wc performer imo. guy has sucked for over a decade
Stfu hater India will win wc and if they loose my support for them will be same
@@Saturday234when did Jadeja become a finisher he hardly knows how to bat other than on the dead boring Indian wickets which offers absolutely nothing to the bowlers let him go to Caribbean he will be absolutely useless Champ😉
And there are people in India talking about Rohit Sharma playing in the 2027 WC. Some people don't even care about the team, they just want to see Rohit or Virat to score leisurely centuries.
I don't think Rohit can play till 2027 very poor fitness max to max he can play till 2025
It's insane. People were busy glorifying him for losing in the World Cup final and saying how he's a great captain. I don't remember seeing a single person praise Dhoni after India lost 2014 T20 World Cup final and they shouldn't have because coming second means nothing.
At least Ganguly built a strong team which was then taken to a whole different level by Dhoni and then after that the team has just gone downhill. Both Ganguly and Dhoni were willing to take risks with players with the hopes of it paying off and it did while the newer captains are too afraid to do that.
@@rangergaming8316 we can't say downfall of Indian team . India still the 2nd best cricket team in the world After Aus. Loosing final doesn't mean cricket downfall why other team failed to play final Except India n Aus . Why Eng lost poorly in odi wc 2023 if were best team . Why Eng n other teams failed to qualify for WTC final. In 100 years of cricket history Eng won only 1 odi wc . Overall Aus won 9 icc tournament followed by India 5. Eng failed to win a ashes in Aus vs Aus in last 12 years even India won 2 BGT in Aus . Hence despite the loosing in Final since 2013 India still the 2nd best cricket team in the world.
@@rahuldekaguwahati6149agree. He is fat and overweight
@@rahuldekaguwahati6149No one said anything about downfall but about underachievement of Indian team. And 2023 World Cup was an underachievement. On paper and based on form and condition India was favourites but choked in the final. There is nothing wrong in criticising that. BTW why did you pick on the English cricket team? They have one 50 over World Cup title and two t20 World Cups. India has two 50 over and one t20 title. Pretty much similar. Of course India has 2 additional Champions Trophy. In any case the discussion isn’t about what teams have done historically but about lack of ICC tournament success in last 10 years despite continuously being one of the top 3 teams. Forget Australia, teams like England, NewZealand and Pakistan have more trophies in last 10 years compared to India despite having arguably weaker teams than India.
The team that won the 2007 T20 WC was All newcomers too. Young players don't have the fear partly because they don't have those past failures that haunts them
And the team who won 2011 wc?
And they have dreams to prove.gabba victory.agree or disagree
All young player Irfan bhaji swag all of were played 3 or 4 years
2011 Winners One Day WC India
2013 Winners CT India
2014 Losing T20 WC finalists - Winners Sri Lanka
2015 Losing One Day WC Semifinalists - Winners Australia
2016 Losing T20 Semifinalists- Winners West Indies
2017 Losing CT finalists - Winners Pakistan
2019 Losing One Day WC semifinalists - Winners England
2021 Losing WTC finalists - Winners New Zealand
2021 Losing T20 WC group stage - Winners Australia
2022 Losing T20 WC Semifinalists - Winners England
2023 Losing One Day WC finalists - Winners Australia
2023 Losing WTC finalists - Winners Australia
2024 Losing T20 WC ? - Winners NOT INDIA
2025 CT Won’t Play as Tournament is in Pakistan - Winners Deffo NOT INDIA
Notice a pattern forming here
@@MrDrgdfWell people have forgotten now but there was a repeated pattern during the 2011 of the Indian batting collapsing after 3-4 wickets fell. Even in the final we needed about 6.5 runs an over when the third wicket fell and Gambhir was going at a strike of 70s. Dhoni was a big difference on that day.
In 2013 we were well on our way to lose the final until Dhoni took the bizzare decision of bowling ishant with like 20 runs to left for Eng to win, which somehow worked.
Basically the pattern of losing finals could have been repeated on both those occasions if it weren’t for Dhoni.
I don't think many average Cricket fans are ready for some of Jarrod's takes. He isn't what they want but what they need.
Really you are right.
These idiot Indian fans just want to see their favourite players and want their praise.
India lacks modern day cricket intent that's why India is behind many teams in white ball arena
This dude hasn’t even played cricket. You are just putting an armchair expert on a pedestal. You can definitely have a better opinion than this one.
@@user-gv4my8dt7x Many people can. They don't have a platform. He has built himself one. Let the man have his moment.
@@tigersden13 ( Let the man have his moment) as he analyses faults in the Indian team. Sure go ahead. Let him become popular as Indian’s fans are divided on whether to support their country team selection or not. Sorry, as an Indian that’s comes first for me and putting my opinion down.
And why do you have to support the team selection even if wrong? Can’t be critical?
Individualism is more predominant in Indian cricket than team. It has been going on from many years.
Specially from 2011...
Exactly, they are taking a player as their captain just on the basis of his pedigree😅
Non of them are risk takers t20 batters
Ms dhoni won 2011wc where selfless players played for nation. Look after that what happened, virat, rohit and so many players they always play safe cricket rather than fearless and its not their fault the media, the whole country throw the spotlight on them to perform all the time. I remember recently a test match against new zealand, when alex Carey was at 99, Pat Cummins dis not care he just hit a four and went for a victory and both of them jumped in joy winning that test match. The same happened when hardik pandya hit a six and won when Tilak varma was on 49, the whole country started to show their hatred on hardik. Its not about individual performance, scoring 50, 100. 50 centuries, 100 centuries why do you give a f*ck abou them when you can't win a gold for your team.
Biggest problem I have seen over the years in india is hero worshipping,people are not fan of Indian cricket team they are fan of specific individuals, also India never played a dominant cricket in knockout matches ,they are unable to handle the pressure in crunch situations also even new players came into the team they also trying to settle their position in the team instead of showing dominant performance, and also we are having so much bad luck 😢😢
I used to think about the pressure situation, but with the match like Indian Vs Pakistan they handle the pressure pretty well
@@dr.rajneeshverma3497Pakistan handled the pressure worse than us!
Chutiya hai Kai same Baat Har koi solution Bata na agar fan kisi player ko back karte use problem Hai player kya performance Dena bandh karde
Yes true I saw some fans not sad for losing world cup but were busy in trolling rohit sharma and telling virat is best. They were not worried about final match loss but were busy in hero worshipping.
Fortune favors the brave..
Jarod’s explanation is spot on. He continues to show why he’s such an excellent analyst. I completely agree with one of his comments ‘I’ve never seen an Indian player play free at a World Cup’. They’re so scared of failing because the instant they do they’re dropped for one of the hundreds of talented players in the IPL. It’s such an awful situation to be in.
Rohit Sharma in last WC is an exception
@@sumeetyeola5420bhai system sahi nhe hai buss aur log bhe for example rohit sharma ne final me fearless hi khela tha lekin phir bhe log use hi bol rahe the ke 10 runs maar diye the dobara kue six maarne ke liye gaye. Hamare logun ko modern intent bhe chahiye lekin yeh bhe chahte hain ke player out bhe na ho. Tu zahir se baat hai jo player is society me develop hoga wo aisa hi hoga. Aur sirf india ka nhe Pakistan ka bhe yehi haal hai.just fakhar is exception
Not entirely true… the indian team set up has been emphaisisng on giving players an extended run and ‘backing’ them. Examples: KL rahul (consistent failure), jadeja (average with the bat) shardul thakur (super average) these guys have been playing for years. They have 1 good game and it secured their spot for the next 2 years. THATS the problem…not that they’re scared of being dropped
Indians have created problems for themselves!
I haven't seen anyone analyse and explain world cricket better than Jarrod Kimber ever!
His analysis is absolutely spot on!
I've only known about him recently. He's certain to become my go-to cricket journalist
Nonsense
@@teem4800he has a pretty sweet CZcams channel as well.
@@jeevankikahaniya6339 Don't let your patriotism blind reality.
@@theDataStudent what patriotism has to be with judging anyone...this guy is Australian working in uk ...his patriotism itself is shady. How he will understand the pressure of 1.4 billion people..
Only average student has fear of failure issue not a topper.
We fail to win because the pressure is too high on our player.
Honestly, these guys are running circles around UK's Sky cricket team with the material they are putting out lately. Their chemistry is real. Their takes are insightful. They are switched on, dynamic, engaging. They are talking about really interesting themes as well. Well done chaps!
Good bot
@@user-gv4my8dt7x lol. stay pressed. peace.
India is at cricket similar to how England is at football...all the stars ..all the money ..but choke the big games...
facts
Spot on and the analogy I have is that they could have gone two ways really after they started choking a lot…. Either become like England and Brazil in Football and let the pressure, failure and guilt get to you or go the Argentina football route and just try to unlearn all that guilt, trauma and pressure and play for yourself people around you rather than for the media……. It seems like Teams like West Indies will fix their problems and become competitive again and meanwhile Teams like England become regularly competitive like Australia before India can even start to unlearn all their bad patterns
Well said and spot on
And RCB is the PSG of IPL . No trophies . 😂😂😂😂
@@valt5751 But still they won 5 world cups .
The issue isn't just that Indian players stick to a predictable style; the selectors also play it safe with their choices. They prefer to risk losing with an experienced team rather than giving a chance to fresh talent.
Wow all the points discussed are bang on. Indian players are timid and media has no gutts to take on big players. Outcome is India has not won anything for last 10 years lol
Our media is a joker
Indian fans want kohli amd rohit 100s , even in this ipl likes of dhoni who obviously are no longer at peak of their career are coming to play just to get that limelight and fans going gaga. Unfortunately indian mindset and culture is quite timid.
Otherwise who in hell will select almost the same squad which lost 2 t20 wc earlier.
I am not a Dhoni's Andhbhakt..but IPL mein Dhoni ki worshipping se agar CSK haar bhi jaaye ya 10th position par bhi aa jaaye toh siwaaye CSK fans ke kisi ko fark nahi padega aur vo bhi 1-2 majine mein bhool jaaenge aur agle season tak toh yaad bhi nahi rakhenge ki last season kya kya bura hua tha..Par RS aur VK abhi bhi INT T20 khel rahe hai..Jab vo fail hote hai aur Team haarti hai toh poore desh ki 140 crore ki janta ko fark padta hai aur vo ICC ke losses 10 saal baad bhi sab yaad rakhte hai.
IPL koi Player 50 ki age tak bhi khele vo Franchise jaane aur uske Fans..Par yaha Player Worshipping ke naam par National side mein Players khele jaa rahe hai.
@@Shekhar03231kisi ko fark nahi padega honestly? What about that talented young wicketkeeper who could have got the chance but couldn't get it because everyone is preferring a 42 year old who is just there to pull the crowd and make them more money?
@@RR_theproaholei can say same about sachin and Gayle every team has different combinations csk didn't had any other finisher with Conway not available they had no option but to persist with dhoni what about mi picking Tendulkar's son? We all know he is in team only because he has a tag of his son dhoni gave up when he realised he is not helping India in test matches also on several occasions he took rest before 2019 wc so that pant gets game time but haters won't see that
The downside of being cricket being the only sport taken seriously by India.
*DON'T YOU DARE INSULT OUR CULTURE*
They all bat for themselves . They all want to become heroes . None of them will take the risk to win . None of them want to fail and become the villains .
Also none want to do the less glamorous work like playing the difficult balls, being the anchor,taking singles and rotating the strike. Everyone wants to smash boundaries and throw their wickets in the process
Indians generally get scared more easily than others ... so this reflects upon their players also
*THATS STEREOTYPE*
Jarrod is, without a shred of doubt in my mind, the best modern cricket analyst. Been watching the game for three decades, i'd like to think I know the game pretty deeply but I've learnt more about the state of the modern game from listening to Jarrod in this video and his own CZcams channel, than anyone else, including from ex-players. Someone should get him and Ricky Ponting commentate a session or a series together. It will be rivetting.
Top bowlers bat really well like Starc, Cummins, Rabada, Shaheen, Archer. India lastly had Bhuvi who you could depend on. Bumrah can bat but u cant depend to stitch a partnership with him.
Bumrah cannot bat. Especially not in T20s.
Kuldeep Yadav batted better than Rohit Sharma in this IPL, especially with those switch hits 🫡
as an Indian I 100% agree on that abishek sharma should be on the squad and same with rinku singh
Rinku is out of form
Saw yesterday's performance of abhishek? He did not performed in any knockout matches tho
That Abhishek hardly hits any ball with the middle of his bat,just weak shots,just because he has played some matches well in just one tournament doesn't qualify him for world cup
It’s a complex issue lot of reasons behind that…Picking right players for right format is important…India is not been clinical in that approach..The players are talented..They are regularly reaching Finals and semifinals of every tournament..But they constantly failed to pass the final hurdle..That’s where India needs to take fearless approach..
The biggest issue with India vs all other teams is that Indians keep banking on experience and reputation repeatedly and keep losing... Whereas teams like Kiwis or Aussies go for players in form irrespective of past reputations...so a person in form performs without any load of expectations or fear of failures...
The players selected by Australia and NZ for the WC are struggling for form and they have been selected on the basis of past reputation.
Well even if you might be right, doesn't change the fact really that the Indian team selection has been the same old stale philosophy of picking all format players for years, even after failures after failures.
NZ and Aus don't need to change much it is working much better for them considering their situation
@@11hitmanDagenius failure has been only at ICC T20 tournaments knock out stages otherwise we have done well at T20 cricket, even with young team what's the guarantee that we ll win for sure???? Conditions and pitch matter a lot let's see how will we perform this time around
Rightly said. Fear of failure is the main reason. Longer the streak continues the more fear will compound. This can change ofcourse if they go ultra positive and pick an young side with no baggage or hope the current set up can break the shackles which i don't see happening.
Nah it's all nonsense... You can't outgrow it by playing reckless cricket....
Mentally we need to learn to handle pressure...only dhoni was good at handling pressure
@@jeevankikahaniya6339 There is a difference between reckless and fearless. Moreover, a thing people dont seem to get is team balance.. During dhoni era, our bowling was slim but we batted really deep. Now our bowlers (bumrah, shami, yuzi, siraj etc) cannot bat at all and so there is extra pressure on the top order to score big. This team balance works well in ODIs and Tests as we've seen with our great results but it does not work in t20
@@1729krish Pandya, Jadeja we have enough batting…it’s the pressure which seniors like Rohit,Rahul,Yadav all fail to handle even against Pakistan match…..
@jeevankikahaniya6339 I am Pakistani. India wins most wc matches against Pakistan. Whenever they loose against Pakistan, its not pressure, its taking Pakistan lightly whether it be CT17 or WC21. Against other teams such as Australia in 2023 WC, its also not also 100% pressure, its preconceived thinking that "trophy is ours"
@@JFearH_Ehhy India win against pak because pak take pressure and panic…they were the better team in 90 still lost to India only because they take pressure….in ct final they did not take any pressure and defeated India.
India lost 2023 because pressure got extremely high when Iyer got out…
Never seen an expert describe indian cricket accurately, We Indians have a very defensive mentality in all aspects of life as well.
Thanks for the reality check
In Odi WC 2023, Rohit Sharma took the bull by the horn in the powerplay also in the knockouts it's just that we didn't win that WC but he has brought that culture
He played fearless the rest of the team didn't in the final. Two boundaries in 40 overs is a team playing afraid.
@@ARandomGuy24 u can't blame irrespective of some players like jadeja, kl rahul playing conservative cricket for long... We don't have genuine allrounder rather one dimensional players which added more pressure on Rohit and Virat ...we are good in bilaterals and series.. but in knockout they take more pressure on themselves.. they have to win no other option.. that added pressure makes a players to play more conservative..which leads to very defensive approach in knockout they but In 2023 World Cup they have improved.. in semifinals against nz is a prime example of it... But in finals the pitch plays a greater role... if we were batting second then It could be different story all together.... So let's see in this wc...
@@someoneschannel5142This T20 WC will be worse since we don't have relevant players as per modern brand of T20 cricket. In T20Is, you need even more attacking mindset backed with skills as well. We don't have many such players in our squad..
@@AyushRaj-rt6bb bro it's not about modern style of play.. it's more of attacking mindset.. team is good but we have to play with that killing intent or aggressive mindset which we had displayed in 2023 wc where all critics was criticizing India but we play out of our skins... And secondly modern style of play is not hitting on flat tracks but moreover play with attacking intent.... As we are not winning any icc trophy for while that's why everyone is questioning on their capabilities which is completely wrong.. they all are capable of winning.. it's more of executing their plans in knockout which you will see in this wc from India.. Give some space and time to show case their skills and hope for the best....
@@someoneschannel5142 Don't expect those same old players to suddenly change their style of play and mindset. It's far better to bring such players who have that mindset from the beginning and give them enough time to settle. It should be done as per the format. In T20Is, you need more young players. In ODIs too, you need one of two changes. In Tests, the team is perfect except the fact that we don't have a fast bowling all-rounder..
Indian players freeze up like deer in headlights.
Fr they are statpadders
As an India yes we always reach semi and final but ..
India not winning the World Cup because of fans. Kohli fans don’t want to kohli out of World Cup same as rohit ,jadeja .recent example was Mumbai Indians they change the captain rohit and social media how trolled the hardhik. Abisheikh, gill, mayank yadav they got the chance in the team when they reach their 30’s.
Simple reason is poor team selection and seniors not willing to move on especially from t20
If only India had a 2-3 month T20 tournament just before the world cup to pick their most inform players to take on the world.
It doesn’t matter who we pick, everyone is good…it’s matter on how we play. The way Virat is playing with 200 strike rate is going to influence rest of the team.
@@jeevankikahaniya6339what utter rubbish have you seen what virat is doing in the IPL?
16 years he’s been top scorer in IPL but not won a single trophy and thats because he prefers to play for himself and not for his team
Virat is a top player but he’s not a team player, he’s all for just scoring runs for himself
@@CricketEngland Virat method is same ..he has takes the games to the end and has india 99% of time while chasing... Now don't cry dumbo
@@CricketEngland Virat method is same he will take the game to the end ...he has won india 99% of time while chasing... keep crying dumbo.
@cricketengland. Agreed. Virat needs to start bowling fast and apply certificate for team player from your university. Also ICC should make rule that all the runs Virat score should be added to other team members total, not his..
indian here and i agree! we are also tired of these statspaddin senior citizens.😐😐😐
Jarrod is absolutely spot on, everybody knows Rohit , Hardik, Jadeja and Siraj have so place in T20s.
*India might be cricket champs, but they've been unlucky with those BIG ICC trophies since 2013. They keep reaching the final hurdles, but just can't seem to jump over them. Some folks say it's the pressure, others say the batting needs a tweak, or maybe they need some speedier bowlers. But hey, with all their talent, a win is bound to happen soon!*
i do agree india’s batting is defensive but i don’t agree their bowling was defensive during last one day world cup. i do beleive their bowling was good throughout last world cup compared to other teams
great attacking wc performance when england won by 10 wickets in 2022
Brother India is the only Team in the history of KO games to loose a KO game by 10 wickets where the entire match was played.
India has the worst team for T20 WC ...it has ageing players , non- performing players with fitness issues, not a single impressive youngster.
Just because Australia is winning, We can't say that we play the same team over years,they too have been playing with the same team for over a decade, lekin wo log to jeet rahe hai isliye unpar koi ungli nhi uthayega 😂😂
Because all have that aggressive mindset and can win the match for the team in do or die situation. Look at the squad of Australia. Steve Smith is not part of the T20'24 squad. They know he is not in the form of T20. Aus knows whom to consider and whom not to.
@@ArikaTiwari-yt5dd even then they aren't gonna win😂😂
Now I think Gautam gambhir was right about indian cricket fans and how indian fans emphasis player performance instead of team performance.
There are certain cricketers who have become bigger than the team due to the toxic fan culture in this country. Personal achievements are being taken more seriously than collective ones, team selection on the basis of IPL rather than domestic year-long tournaments has made the situation trickier.
Here's food for thought for everyone here, no team has won a t20 wc with 1or more than one batter averaging 40+. However, most of the countries who won it had a batter or two in there with higher strike rate. You can either have a 50 average or a 150+ strike rate. You cant have both and Indians choose average over strike rate
Please name those countries.
@@sumbdi don't need to name them. All of them, when they won, had no batter averaging 40+
@@muhammadaurangzeb7079 if that would have been the case then india wouldn't have been the best T20 side in Last 3 years and stats prove that we have only two bilateral series in last 3 years, we have been dominant in home as well as in away conditions, we have series with full strength squad as well as depleted squads as well and india is one of the very few teams to do so.
In T20 ICC tournaments u ll not find many players with SR of 150+ bcz of the quality of bowling.
SR also depends upon the conditions and pitch as well,
@@sumbdi as you can read in my initial comment, we are not talking about bilaterals here. This was strictly regarding T20 WCs. Also, your comment regarding 150+ strike rate is valid but the facts are that 3 WI batters had 150+ strike rate in 2016 t20 wc. 2 Aussie batters had 150+ strike rate in 2021 wc and same was the case when Eng won in 2022. So this certainly played a role in their success in the tournament.
England won 2022 T20 wc with aggregate strike rate of their batters in 2022 T20 wc - 122 🤡🤡🤡
Yeah sehwag uses to instill fear in opposition bowlers. And other batters happily faested around that . Remember 2011 wc. We don't have that kinda opener anymore
Great example is Aus has Stoinis who doesnot win games regularly but provides the balance they need.
India should try to fit Tilak, Abhishek, Dube, even Axar either of them in top 6 and should make them bowl and be happy with what they give. This might not make them win all the games but team should learn how to optimally use these type of players and try to learn and win games with them.
Doobe is an overrated flat track bully.. absolute scam of a player.. other than Chepauk fails miserably everywhere
Axar and Tilak are not big hitters of the world . Unfortunately India does not produce Muscular and Hard hitting batsman such as Klasen ,head and Stoinis ,Green ,Miller etc .Only Muscular guy amongst those you mentioned is Dube and he is useless against pace
@@mh5616and he is afraid of pace
Abhishek Sharma right?
Pandya 6, Axar 7, Jadeja 8.
Indians in general play safe and time tested routes
Take example of government jobs. And then when cotporate came.. Almost everyone now is a software professional.
Doing different has great fear attached to them.
This is more about mental pressure created by fans than the player's ability and squad selection. The same squad will beat any team 3-0 or 5-0 in a series. But they will fail in a WC semi. India has most wins and least loss in T20s in last decade. So, I dont think they are outdated yet.
The 78,000 vs 100 is spot on…. Our domestic games a joke. Almost at the end of may and still not been a domestic or international game worth watching 🤦♀️
Thats why feel its really stupid of ppl to blame rohit for odi wc final. Rohit was the only batter who played fearless cricket in that final and attacked aus. He got out after a decent knock in the process and we blame him for loosing. Others should have also played like him and we would have won
The final innings of Rohit on 19-Nov was not actually 'fearless', it was reckless. And that poor shot cost us a lot
@@malamsingh1944 that's the cultural issue he is talking about. When you take risks and try to dominate others, sometimes bat and ball connection is not that great and you loose your wicket. Thats why most aggressive batsman like Rohit and trevis head don't have super high batting average.
Everyone needed to play like Rohit in that match and we would have had 300 plus total on board. But we are into hero worship so we want one or two players to score a century instead of entire team making small meaningful contributions.
Very well spoken, Team India is not team oriented but person oriented. There's no way a Rohit Sharma makes into the T20 after failing in multiple T20 WCs
Jarrod - Shreyas Iyer played freely in the semi-final. Him getting out early in the final didn't help India. Rohit played freely. Kohli too for first 15-20 runs but then after Rohit and Iyer got out in quick succession, Kohli and Rahul tried to build innings, which was a big mistake. Rahul, in particular.
Shreyas Iyer is not good enough to be anywhere near Indian team. He can only play in Indian conditions. that too against average bowlers. Same goes for Surya Kumar yadav, not good enough. Same goes for KL Rahul, maybe technically good enough but mentally weak and fragile.
Kohli and Rahul forced to play defensive because of its lack in batting depth after one more wicket. SKY was not reliable to handle pressure and Jadeja has lost his prime way back. The day when Indian team lost Hardik Pandya in that worldcup, it was always deemed to happen as worst as possible.😮
@@abhishekjha8645 lol did you watch him 2023 WC? His quick fire century against NZ in the semis. Don't mix IPL with the ODI world cup
@@jerinphilipose614 Yes, in hindsight you can say that but let's not forget what Shami did after Hardik Pandya was injured. Shami only came in the team because of team composition.
Then why a player like Shami benched in the initial matches and gave chances to Siraj? That was obviously due to Siraj's terrific spell in Asia cup final but selectors couldn't found what Shami did in previous world cups and his consistency? While removing hardik pandya Indian team lost their balance completely when they have to loose another all rounder Shardul Thakur. Shardul may be an average player but an alrounder presence maintained that batting order depth. Whenver criticize Hardik Pandya, we forget he is the vital link in team that maintain balance.
Big respect to you guys every words is right about Indian team , they are just buried under their own temperament, defensive mindset , and fear of failure , kl Rahul , rohit sharma and even virat failed on many icc knockout stage , nothing can save this team than their own mentality, No risk , No gain
In India its so easy to make fool of people especially in cricket that they are obsessed wilth individual stats
Poor emotional fools Indians
both 2019 2023 we didn't loose because we have had defensive bowlers... it was opposite right, when it comes to T20, in 2022 worldcup we had a defensive bowling lineup with no chahal
Exactly if Eng were the best team in 2023 why they lost poorly in odi wc 2023. Eng failed to win Ashes in Aus since 2012 even India won 2 BGT in Aus . In 100 years of cricket history Eng won only 1 odi wc . Overall Aus 9 icc tournament followed by India 5. Despite loosing in Final India still the 2nd best cricket team in the world. Aus is the no 1 team .
Brilliant analysis from Jarrod as per usual! Indian coaches and Indian players pay heed. I would have loved to have seen Kohli and Rohit not be a part of this T20 world cup and instead blood these indian players from the IPL that are scoring two runs per ball instead.
During knockout matches opponents deploy new strategies while Indian team stuck with do the basics rights while others are one step ahead with basics plus plans
You guys 100% right. Fear of failure 🔥🔥🔥 spot on
Eoin Morgan led the England cricket team in an inspiring way from 2016-2019
Being the best side to play limited overs cricket at that time
But one has to agree over the fact that Morgan and his batting bullies have been the reason for the decline of one day format in itself
300s &350s becoming par
Finger spinners have been completely taken out of all the odi teams
And Fast bowlers except for the first 10 overs they don't get any grip and get hammered throughout the innings
ODI has now become just an extension of T20 cricket
I think we as Indian fans are to take some of the blame. We are the ones creating the pressure on these players. Having said that, I am certain this T20 world cup will not be India's.
Absolutely agree . Indian team in 50 overs World Cup in 2019 and 2024 the Indian team was the best team in the championship. Period! Why do I say that? Because the 2019 and 2024 were in round robin format and Indian team was way number team on both the World Cup after the Round Robin. Having said that the reason India lost is no realism in Indian team selection - there were some holes in the team selection in both World Cups. The team selection relied too much on Rohit, Kohli,Jadeja and Bumrah. The only time Indian team won the World Cups '83, 2007 and 2011 the team selections were mix of pragmatism and risk taking on "unproven" cricketers and boy they delivered at crucial stages.
Agree 100% , harsh reality 😢
where can i see the full episode please share
Yes! and Yes!
Absolutely right about playing defensively.
One reason is that many young players who had done brilliant jobs and are in good form in domestic as well as IPL are sidelined. They are told that they can't handle pressure situation but are never given much chance in any do or die situation match. It might risk a team, but at least it might give experience to the young one, and they can build their mindset and work on to handle pressure.
Love your analysis Jarod. Can't agree more.
Hit the nail on the head.Fear of failure.We need guys who can bat without thinking what will happen if they get out
The points are right, the reasoning is okay-ish. India often selects safe teams out of a fear of not wanting to be humbled. In T20 india is definitely behind the 8 ball with the way they play. This mostly comes from player power. The selectors can't let go of the old guard. It's not that Rohit and Virat won't play at a 200+ strike rate. They can't... Rohit plays too many dot balls and for Virat it's completely unnatural to do so.
Spot on. I always felt like all
Indian batters need 8 balls the very least before start going.
Why always rohit sharma kohli still in team they have not won anything since 2013 still in team since 11 years it really shocked me.
Because they have the braindead fans which brings viewership and money so as a result broadcasters and sponsors want these two at any cost...
So basically selectors are selecting 13 players out of playing 15.....
These two are automatic selection because of the pressure of sponsors and broadcasters.....
I’m so glad they mentioned Sehwag. He was really a player that did not have any fear and has been directly and indirectly responsible for so many of India’s deep runs and trophies.
Jarrod Kimber is really excellent.
😂😂😂😂😂 nice joke
@@jeevankikahaniya6339 he truely is, great analysis that comes at a cost (no IPL or indian cricket involvement from him atm). Can't think how you could think other wise mate
@@DAHLIN11 running some stupid stats code does’t make you a great analysts …he was crying in their stupid show when Virat team beat eng in lord..listening to these moron from 2013 , they are buyers and agenda driven.
@@jeevankikahaniya6339- weird, not a single person agrees with you
@@fullydavid last I check it wasn't a popularity context... ya average people get easily impress
It's true our team's approach in knockout games have been defensive to say the least. Even the squad selection have been defensive, players like Abhishek Sharma and Rinku Singh should have been there in the squad. Jadeja, Pandya or Dube aren't the finishers that are going to win us the crunch games.
Aptly said.
As an indian,i admit the fact that we r not going to win this cup again,given we lack the balance that is required especially in t20s...
They don't play as a team but as individual heroes.
That's why its better for Indian cricket fans to limit their expectations on the team . But most importantly Indian team need a change in mind set . A coach and captian should bring that change .
6:09 well said
wow, great analysis
Jarrod needs to be on IPL commentary team, perfect analysis of Indian team. No hopes for winning the T20, selectors and captain just chose a team that would be good for PR and no particular hopes to win the Tournament.. just a reason to collect money.
Team should've been of young cricketers who has nothing to loose like - Abhishek sharma, Nitish kumar reddy, Ishan Kishan, Rinku singh, Sandeep sharma from RR, Avesh khan.
No hope to win.
SPOT ON. we need complete change
some indian players dont know when to rertire they just keep on playing . time give chance to more younger players,
@@Rajk412
It's not just the players..it's the fans too..They are equally responsible.
Do I need to tell you how would the fans would have reacted if Ro-Ko would not have been included in this T20 WC squad ?
Yaha thodi si SR par criticism ho jaati hai Senior Players ki toh janta aur unke toxic fans bhadak jaate hai.
Very correct and apt analysis.
We have got some really great players, it's just a psychological thing, this fear of failure is only which is hindering India's chances of winning another World Cup.
Kohli made so many runs this year but it was evident in many of his innings that he is under pressure of the World cup match.
Excellent Analysis
People were hyping Rohit Shamra as being someone that is far better than Dhoni and that he is going to break captaincy records.
But truth is, Rohit sharma has been as bad as Kohli or even worse in winning WC knockouts or finals with his captaincy. He has lost WC in all 3 formats.
He gets clueless in the captaincy during a pressure situation.
He crumbles in the big moments. Dhoni's captaincy went to another level in the big moments. I still remember Dhoni giving Ishant Sharma the ball in the Champions Trophy final after Ishant was bashed earlier in the innings and all of a sudden both set batters were out and both catches were taken by Ashwin in the same place.
@@rangergaming8316 True. Also he retained the overs of Ash towards death which was so new that time. Spinners never used to bowl in death overs.
Also that Bangladesh run out in T20 2016, he did the run out so calmly.
@@arpitshivhare217 Yes, I have seen him cursing Bhuvi, Pujara in such situations. Becomes so angry and frustrated. That can also be seen in WC final. He had no plans for Head
@@thiruvetti yeah, I was scared out of my mind when I saw Ash come on to bowl that final over because conventional wisdom was that you always use a fast bowler to end the innings no matter what.
That run out was a split second decision that he made. Normally most keepers and Dhoni himself would have thrown the ball at the stumps but this time he didn't want to risk it and he probably saw the non striker was still far away so he took off and won us the match.
Golf?! Seriously it's only for upper rich class.
The matter of fact is that in knockouts you don't just need temperament,you need to have bit of luck on your side😊😊
Burden of billion people, specially in this social media age where everything is amplified. There is no reference of someone performing with this burden. Only reference is themselves indian cricket team .
I cant find any other sports team in the world with more fans. So how would one go on about thinking is this even possible when there is no other reference of someone performing well under this burden.
Brazil and Argentina ,and they even have more fans than in parts of Bengala and Kerala than Indian footbaall .Also India does not produce Big muscular hitter and Super fast bowlers ,Guys like Jadeja ,Axar ,Kohli and Lohit will not win you T20 world cup
May be pre jio but with uneducated chapri with internet , the presence is too big and national football teams are not even a thing anymore, it's taken over by league which might happen to cricket also @@abhinay4200
@@abhinay4200 I'm from Kerala and I can confirm that Argentina and Brazil have a ton of fans over here. Every time the World Cup or Copa America rolls around, there's flags and murals everywhere.
It seems like these guys didn’t see the 2023 World Cup run ! We were aggressive throughout the campaign.
Good Listen
He said perfect word about bowling
I agree India are the most talented team by a country mile and that's why it's frustrating for fans,they have the best batsmen,sky,best fast bowling allrounder hardik,best bowler bumrah,best spinner kuldeep,best spin bowling allrounder jadeja,best batsman of this generation kohli and yet they haven't done anything significant,and for this tournament even the best wk batsman in pant, so much talent that kl Rahul would walk into the second best side in the world and yet nothing and they are fearful
Sky is a one dimensional player ..40 ODIs & avg of 25 ..IPL flat track bully.... LoL....His performance in odi wc is what cost india in the finals along with Rahul... Kl Rahul is the biggest chokers in the history of indian cricket.....pant is good in test format, check his white ball stats over-all..he's a liability....jadeja is useless in knockouts, ..is this the talent you're talking about??? Boy u are one blind fanatical fan......Talent means nothing if u can't perform on the big day.....
@@amitm2692 so what did I say bro,that's what I was saying that talent doesn't mean anything if you can't perform under pressure,btw pant is the way he is because of Indian culture he's the most talented wk batsman in the world by a country mile, Australia have wade as their keeper ,that's chalk and cheese ,sky is not a one dimensional player you have got it wrong,he's not a flat track bully either,but even he wasn't taking any risks in that worldcup final,Rahul will walk into aus or eng ,not with the intent but with talent,but that's the point ,kohli Rohit are far more talented than head but head is outperforming them quite a lot,that's because of the intent,not the raw talent
Talent doesn’t bring success when they all prefer to preform for themselves and not as a coherent team
I mean look at kohli 16 IPL events always top scorer and not one single title
I’d rather pick players who want to play together as a team and not just go out their and put themselves on show
A winning player is someone who keeps himself in the shadow and just goes out their and performs day in day out helping his team mates and not someone who’s out for the glory in his own performance
@@CricketEngland i agree
India is not the most Talented they only have a larger population. If West Indies had at least 20 million people they would have won 5 world cricket.
The pressure and online trolling kills our players 💔
So true, we need a young team with no baggage. This team with current leadership won't win anything.
I have an issue with the 'Evin Gullibus' effect theory. India has been routinely thrashing everyone in bilateral cricket. This reflects in them being the dominant number one team across formats for the past decade.
They choke in the important finals and playoffs as they fall into the same trap everytime. The fear of failure gets to them. It's just 'Pressure" and then not being able to handle them in the right way everytime
"It's just pressure, we're better than everyone else" is high grade copium.
Yeah so when the stakes are high they fumble. That's not how a dominant team looks like. Dominant teams will survive under pressure and will overcome adversity.
I don't think that dominating bilaterals has anything to do with being the best team. Bilaterals have lost their meaning a long time ago, people don't come to watch them and absolutely no-one takes them seriously anymore and most teams, including India, hardly ever play their main players in them.
Rightly put by both of them which we many in india have been saying God knows how many year
Tbh I have seen so many world cups india loosing at crucial stage now I don't even care about india winning or loosing world Cup bcz nowdays after every year there is world Cup at some point and time they will win the world Cup so doesn't really matter now.
India really need to move these senior players on. We need to build a team full of young,hungry players and let go of this celebrity culture which has been our Achilles heel most of the time.
Personal 50s are important 😂
What a great combo these lot are, excellent content
This man makes a lot of sense
He is right
That bit at the beginning, about the #7, comes down to something I've been thinking about watching this ongoing t20 wc and the associate teams playing in them. It seems to me (and im by no means a deep analyst of the game) that countries that have poorer domestic systems tend to have less all rounders, less bowlers that can bat, giving their batting lineups a crazy dropoff after the middle order. Makes you think what steps would be needed to avoid this
Edit- and no, i mean actual domestic cricket that act as a pipeline- IPL and franchise leagues dont count.
Pick of Indian players from all IPL franchises (in order of final table standings from group stages of IPL 2024) :-
A. KKR - Rinku Singh, Ramandeep Singh, Vaibhav Arora, Harshit Rana
B. SRH - Abhishek Sharma, Natarajan, Nitish Reddy
C. RR - Jaiswal, Parag, Samson, Jurel, Chahal, Sandeep Sharma, Shubham Dubey
D. RCB - Kohli, Patidar, Yash Dayal
E. CSK - Gaikwad, Dubey, Jadeja, Simarjeet
F. DC - Porel, Pant, Axar, Kuldeep, Rasikh, Khaleel
G. LSG - Bishnoi, Arshad Khan, Mohsin Khan
H. GT - Sai Sudarshan, Mohit Sharma, Sandeep Warrier
I. PK - Ashutosh Sharma, Shashank, Harshal
J. MI - Tilak, SKY, Bumrah
So final XI should be based on tremendous form :-
1. Abhishek Sharma (Reserve: Porel)
2. Virat Kohli (Reserve: Sai Sudarshan)
3. Samson (Captain) (Reserve: Tilak Verma)
4. SKY (Reserve: Patidar)
5. Pant (wk) (Reserve: Jurel)
6. Dubey (Reserve: Rinku)
7. Axar (Reserve: Jadeja)
8. Kuldeep (Reserve: Bishnoi)
9. Chahal (Reserve: Mohit Sharma)
10. Bumrah (Reserve: Khaleel)
11. Natarajan (Reserve: Mohsin)
Missed by an inch:- Jaiswal, Harshal, Warrier, Arshad, Dayal, Rasikh, Simarjeet, Gaikwad, Parag, Nitish Reddy, Harshit Rana
No place for out of form people like Hardik, Arshdeep, Siraj, Rohit... Undue burden on team
SKY & Subhman Gill ?
Well said. This video has summed up India reality at the T20 WC. Indian brand of cricket in ICC tournaments is cagey whereas they are tigers in the IPL going berserk and real talent that is seen in the IPL will still not get a chance in the WC, dodgy politics.
There's a basic flaw in the "fear of failure" theory.
IND lose the plot in the semis/finals.
But . . . how come they win all the earlier matches in ICC WCs, often in hugely dominant style ??
In the last WC they won 10 matches beating every single team - and ended by losing the final.
in the last 2 t20 wcs they have been average. In 2021 they got grouped. In 2022 there batting was very average. The only good team they beat was pak and that too by virat magic
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Jarrod nailed it.
Temperature is a crucial part, where in Asia sub continent, can play cricket year around, IPL in the summer, india cricket season in winter and spring, whereas near the poles it's different
Bring in gambhir as a mentor
Change selection with fearless players like rinku singh, Abhishek sharma,
You will see the difference