The BEST NON-CDL HOTSHOT TRUCKING Set up!? GVWR Numbers Breakdown | *WATCH THIS BEFORE YOU START*

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Komentáře • 756

  • @HotshotMacc
    @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +63

    How y’all like my fishing hat 🤔 It was hot as hell and wifey made me wear it 🤣 follow me on IG: Hotshot_Macc

    • @itzreece6347
      @itzreece6347 Před 2 lety +4

      Hey the hat helped with the sun in your face. Gotta go with functionality bro lol.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +3

      Hell yeah bro you are right about that!

    • @shacareedixon7195
      @shacareedixon7195 Před 2 lety +1

      I likes it. 👍 I wish it was a white one though with your logo on it big and colorful bold type

    • @JimzAuto
      @JimzAuto Před 2 lety +1

      Wifey loves you. Keeps sun outta eyes, reduces skin-cancers risk.

    • @kingdotdavid
      @kingdotdavid Před 2 lety

      I see y'all in Rahway/ Woodbridge NJ .. I just got a 1500 Ram 5.7 2019 , can I hot shot with that ?

  • @NursltanAbeuov
    @NursltanAbeuov Před rokem +3

    You guys are best, sharing the knowledge for free, i respect that.

  • @kennethzagone2638
    @kennethzagone2638 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the taking the time to go thru all that information for everybody.

  • @Livingontheroad777
    @Livingontheroad777 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video thank you for your input 👍🏽 learning alot from your videos...

  • @Trillsaucyq
    @Trillsaucyq Před rokem

    Great vid man thank you guys for all the info

  • @BigThumpSC
    @BigThumpSC Před 2 lety +25

    Great video bruh! Valuable information from you both and I was thinking Ram 2500 vs a dually man because of the weight with no interest in doing CDL runs. A newbie planning to stay local so thanks for the info. Either way great info! Much success..

  • @kendrickelliott3284
    @kendrickelliott3284 Před 2 lety +2

    That was a great video ..shout out to Mac appreciate that one good information

  • @mackwhite6029
    @mackwhite6029 Před rokem +2

    I thank the both of you guys.

  • @nxlevelautodetailing7661

    Great info! Thank you

  • @itzreece6347
    @itzreece6347 Před 2 lety +2

    Love the breakdown and much appreciated video on the trailer differences.

  • @DTeesClothing
    @DTeesClothing Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks Mac as always your doing great vids .. Great information… I’m still thinking about it..

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Most definitely brotha! Take the time bro, make sure it’s right for you and your family.

  • @juarez97
    @juarez97 Před rokem

    Love the info!

  • @truckertavis
    @truckertavis Před 9 měsíci +1

    Excellent video. Appreciate y’all stopping to make it. Currently getting my setup together and it helped clarify a lot.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Glad it helped! 💪🏽🫡💯

  • @A1swipermikey
    @A1swipermikey Před 2 lety +2

    You’re helping me out so much. I just made my llc to start non cdl hot shotting or expediting. I really want to pursue this!

  • @everrdz5231
    @everrdz5231 Před 2 lety +2

    Wish I would of found your channel way sooner bro appreciate all the info I’m looking into getting my own 2500 first then the trailer god willing stay safe on the road bro!

  • @kelz9104
    @kelz9104 Před 2 lety

    👏🏾👏🏾, I was trying to understand Hot shot trucking. This Video answered what I been searching for... 🙏 Thanks

  • @DRIVENROYALTY
    @DRIVENROYALTY Před 2 lety

    Extremely helpful. Thank you very much

  • @figkimber1
    @figkimber1 Před 2 lety +4

    I started running the same setup bc of you thanks man appreciate the knowledge

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Good stuff bro! Mostly definitely man! Appreciate the support 💪🏽💯

  • @Fourandaquarter
    @Fourandaquarter Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for the video. Good useful information here.

  • @leonelclemente8074
    @leonelclemente8074 Před 3 měsíci

    great video guys! thanks a bunch!👍

  • @JDSwartout
    @JDSwartout Před 2 lety

    Awesome vid, great info. Thanks.

  • @benl4080
    @benl4080 Před 2 lety +9

    Thank you for taking the time out of your day to provide valuable information. Keep sharing the knowledge it helps many!

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Most definitely! Thank you for the feedback and your support 💪🏽💯

  • @macbrownsr1
    @macbrownsr1 Před 2 lety +11

    Good stuff. I'm really thinking about doing this once I leave the military. I like the way your videos breaks everything down. Keep up the good work.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks for watching and thank you for your service.

    • @brandonstorey99
      @brandonstorey99 Před 2 lety

      Same. It seems right up my alley.

  • @thebuckey6684
    @thebuckey6684 Před rokem

    BEST SIMPLE EXPLANATION i HAVE EVER HEARD. Thanks!!

  • @musskeeterbump
    @musskeeterbump Před 2 lety

    dang i was searching for this a boom i got my questions all answered without even asking 😂😂😂 thank you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @jayshaunpatty5329
    @jayshaunpatty5329 Před 2 lety +9

    Man thanks for the real breakdown, so many guys look to you man and this really helps guys take notes and get the 411 on how a good non cdl set up can be. You and your wife stay blessed and keep the videos coming!

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Glad to help man. Appreciate the feed back. Thanks !!!

  • @biggl9609
    @biggl9609 Před rokem

    This a great video bro well needed info

  • @1969mlc
    @1969mlc Před 21 dnem

    Great video thanks to both you.

  • @manuelespinal71
    @manuelespinal71 Před 2 lety

    Wish u the best for both of u guys out there.

  • @thepolychronicles6854
    @thepolychronicles6854 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for making it easy to learn these pointers before I get into this industry

  • @hustledispatch2567
    @hustledispatch2567 Před 2 lety

    This video was very helpful, thx!

  • @GQue84
    @GQue84 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video guys I'm thinking of going this route now.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Thanks bro! Definitely do the research with the other options to make your best decision for the long run.

  • @robertrodriguez7659
    @robertrodriguez7659 Před rokem

    Thanks guys for the heads up on the hotshot lesson

  • @rvskate5985
    @rvskate5985 Před 2 lety

    Knowledge ‼️ Keep it up

  • @hazelinfo7978
    @hazelinfo7978 Před 9 měsíci

    Very helpful thank you.

  • @TDAA1171
    @TDAA1171 Před rokem

    Tk guys… great info 👊🏼

  • @tatezann4937
    @tatezann4937 Před 2 lety

    Hotshot Macc- great work! Fishing hat is boss! Very informative channel thanks for all you do!

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Much appreciated, thanks for watching bro.

  • @zombie777stream8
    @zombie777stream8 Před rokem

    Great informative vid guys 👍

  • @jcrowe3065
    @jcrowe3065 Před 2 lety

    Very good info guys

  • @unruly_macaroni2780
    @unruly_macaroni2780 Před 2 lety +1

    Very well explained

  • @bumlogistics4260
    @bumlogistics4260 Před 2 lety +9

    Hey man you be dropping some good content. You & Clayton broke the non cdl hotshot down real good. You and your wife make a good team. This is good for married couples see. Y'all keep at it please. God bless and Happy Holidays.

  • @cheftetoalvarez
    @cheftetoalvarez Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the tips guys

  • @repairvehicle
    @repairvehicle Před 2 lety

    This is awesome info!

  • @kennylewis1026
    @kennylewis1026 Před 2 lety +1

    This is very helpful... as I’m looking for a trailer once I get my truck Ram 3500

  • @norrisslater7278
    @norrisslater7278 Před 2 lety

    Good video guys 👌, I'm really feeling the none CDL set up.

  • @lsx6.279
    @lsx6.279 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for video!!!!

  • @jacemusgrove3073
    @jacemusgrove3073 Před 2 lety

    Nicely compared. Good info aswell.

  • @yadirarangel5806
    @yadirarangel5806 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the feedback regarding the non CDL set up and gvwr . Thank you 🙏

  • @johnrex18
    @johnrex18 Před 2 lety +7

    Great video! I'm setting up my own authority and am about to launch at the end of this month. It's been a journey already but i'm pretty excited to get going.

    • @getrightentertainment9564
      @getrightentertainment9564 Před 2 lety

      How's your journey coming along so far? Curious because I'm looking to start myself...
      T.i.a

    • @johnrex18
      @johnrex18 Před 2 lety +2

      @@getrightentertainment9564 As in all things, getting started is the most time consuming and difficult part of the journey. However, once set up it's great. The earning potential is unlimited. I encourage you to start and wish you luck in your journey. It's very rewarding running your own business.

    • @getrightentertainment9564
      @getrightentertainment9564 Před 2 lety +1

      @@johnrex18 appreciate your response!

  • @ChrisTV1
    @ChrisTV1 Před 2 lety

    Fire ass video bro!!! We got the best setups hands down!

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Hell yeah bro!! 💪🏽💯💯 appreciate the love man!

  • @lesmuelle4479
    @lesmuelle4479 Před rokem +1

    Cool. I have the 1975 Chevy Silverado C30 1 tone Dually crew cab Camper special. It is rated at the 10,000 GVWR due to it coming with the tow package set-up straight from the factory.

  • @agent95_
    @agent95_ Před rokem +6

    I am starting my own hotshot trucking.. and honestly this helps a lot. I now understand what I wasn't on my set up. You guys gave a thorough look at what is needed and in doing so I can now set up an effective spreadsheet showing the parts going on and get accurate estimates for set up. I honestly can not thank you enough. Tangible information is key and this gave real informationw without gatekeeping.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před rokem +3

      Man glad this was helpful and appreciate your feedback. This is exactly why we did this 🫡💯

    • @cursedsocietybrand8206
      @cursedsocietybrand8206 Před 11 měsíci

      Update?

    • @JohnDoe-gc1kt
      @JohnDoe-gc1kt Před 10 měsíci

      ​@HotshotMacc VERY HELPFUL!! quick question, what about paperwork for pick up and drop off?? Also can you explain leasing vs setting up your own authority??

  • @jaquisjones149
    @jaquisjones149 Před 2 lety

    Great info

  • @bluelambo31
    @bluelambo31 Před 2 lety

    Amazing video thanks

  • @gbodyhustle
    @gbodyhustle Před rokem

    Good video good info 👍🏽

  • @aerrialisrael9621
    @aerrialisrael9621 Před 2 lety +2

    I need another video with more details like this

  • @bheat1273
    @bheat1273 Před rokem

    Great vid thanks

  • @eriegaming9898
    @eriegaming9898 Před 2 lety

    Max got a solid setup👍🏻

  • @jamaalfreeman2284
    @jamaalfreeman2284 Před rokem

    Great video 👍🏾

  • @Smoothvisualz
    @Smoothvisualz Před rokem

    In the process of getting my non cdl setup now thanks for the helpful info

  • @vidosanchez6900
    @vidosanchez6900 Před měsícem

    another great videos

  • @Hey_Hold_This
    @Hey_Hold_This Před 2 měsíci

    Yo I’m with it I’m getting into the business for sure now I’ve been a bit hesitant but after watching this I know I want to do it more than ever now. I’ve already got a 21 RAM 2500 6.7Land I already wanted the Big Tex setup so this was helpful on so many levels

  • @Teeks84
    @Teeks84 Před 2 lety

    Thanx a lot guys

  • @lword083
    @lword083 Před 2 lety

    Thanks bro.

  • @bradweaver9310
    @bradweaver9310 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video

  • @papergatorzfedducca7998

    New subscriber!!!🔥🔥🔥

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před rokem

      Welcome to the channel bro 💪🏽💯

  • @c.e.ogaming8989
    @c.e.ogaming8989 Před 2 lety

    Finally found the perfect video

  • @haroldwhippsjr1060
    @haroldwhippsjr1060 Před měsícem

    Thank you for the info. I'm a company truck driver of 10+ years, and I think it's time to work for myself.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 16 dny

      You’re welcome bro!! Keep doing that research!

  • @rhondasibley7679
    @rhondasibley7679 Před 2 lety +2

    Very informative, if there is anyone out there watching this from Louisiana. Please chime in and share your wealth of knowledge.

    • @carlosallen3699
      @carlosallen3699 Před 9 měsíci

      Did you find any more information about LA. I’m interested also.

  • @hoppy760
    @hoppy760 Před 2 lety

    Great video.

  • @phoenixarizona8441
    @phoenixarizona8441 Před 2 lety

    awesome setup brother I run a Cargo Van and a Box truck keep up the good work

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Thanks bro appreciate it man! Keep running it up out there 💯

  • @3500ram_duallys
    @3500ram_duallys Před rokem

    What a great informative video. I obviously did not do my home work first and went out an bought a 2024 Chevy dually.. I figured bigger truck bigger loads, not taking into consideration of the 26k law for non cdl. Shit do I sell my dwr while its only has 4k miles on it and get a 2500 The funny thing is, my GF told me to just get a 2500 to start... :)

  • @kennethbrooks4755
    @kennethbrooks4755 Před 2 lety

    Good information

  • @jamiepomeroy6846
    @jamiepomeroy6846 Před rokem

    Thank you

  • @mimiandpappysfamilyfarm6866

    Thanks!

  • @EdsonA503
    @EdsonA503 Před 2 lety

    Great info. I’m a hazmat cdl company driver. Thinking about doing the switch….

  • @wheyez1
    @wheyez1 Před rokem

    Enjoyable vid, I’m hauling my own stuff and helping people move. I’ve got a 28’ gutted RV and added a tailgate/ ramp. As I listen my question is can I use my RV 5th wheel latch, is there regs on which setup is required? I do like the ease of pulling a handle to drop the trailer, like the big boys. Hooking up is a breeze.

  • @OUTLAWBBQ
    @OUTLAWBBQ Před 2 lety +2

    More solid content brother! I'm told by the 107 two more weeks until I'm earning. Hope to see ya out there. Stay safe and as usual I appreciate it ya man!!

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Man that’s awesome bro! Appreciate the love and support!

  • @TakeAGuessWhatsNext
    @TakeAGuessWhatsNext Před 6 měsíci

    Define the type of search we should look for

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 5 měsíci

      Hotshot trucking companies to lease on to.
      Truck driving positions
      Lease on opportunities for trucking.
      Something of that nature

  • @muzeau36
    @muzeau36 Před 10 měsíci

    Perfect example of networking!

  • @jpryuer
    @jpryuer Před 2 lety

    just getting started ... that was right on time brother. I went with a RAM 3500 single axle ... looking to get a 28+5 big tex. be safe out there

    • @J__7777
      @J__7777 Před 2 lety

      What type of insurance/coverage you need?

    • @craigsayshello8239
      @craigsayshello8239 Před rokem

      @@J__7777 I think the million dollar coverage and 100,000$ cargo van

  • @angelah9518
    @angelah9518 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi I’m looking to start my own hotshot business I have been doing a lot of research looking at a lot of videos doing a lot of reading doing a lot of writing and I came across one video the lead
    Me to your video both videos are good very informational I’m nervous I’m excited but I’m ready to start thank you so much for your time and patience to work and video . Thank you and your wife.may god out bless.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      That's what's up bro, congratulations. Check out some of the resources I have in my description. We have a FB group and Clubhouse.

    • @angelah9518
      @angelah9518 Před 2 lety

      Lol, OK I will do thank you but I’m a lady

  • @robertminjares2502
    @robertminjares2502 Před 2 lety

    Trying to get started

  • @Shadrack5150
    @Shadrack5150 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm running a Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel with a PJ 40 foot Straight Deck with 7k axels on 14 ply.......Non-CDL Hotshot. GVWR is 10k on truck 15,680 on trailer....Working on getting my CDL now. Love you videos man.....keep it up

    • @rodolforodriguez2883
      @rodolforodriguez2883 Před 2 lety +1

      My is 2500 40 foot ram 2020 2 tarps 50 galon disel ondertool box 14 ply 15800 total weight non cdl fierro

    • @cesarchavez507
      @cesarchavez507 Před 2 lety

      @@rodolforodriguez2883 compa just got my cdl. interested in a 22gn 40' (23900gvw) what truck would you recommend? thinkg of a 3500 but dont if i need the high output 6.7 cummings. does the gcvwr and towing capacity matter? any insight would be helpful vato gracias.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Man that’s a perfect set up! Wish I had me a 40ft, but same here just got my CLP. Appreciate the love and support bro! Keep grinding 💪🏽💯

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Nice! Where did you get your fuel tank?

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      Yes, 3500 or bigger with the high output 6.7 Cummins

  • @jaimechacon3361
    @jaimechacon3361 Před 2 lety

    Great video , how is business lately with all these shortages going on.

  • @usmcVICTOR
    @usmcVICTOR Před 10 měsíci

    Used to have CDL, not anymore, but really interested to pull stuff with truck. Since I am a veteran and just trying to keep myself occupied

  • @isaiahwilson8640
    @isaiahwilson8640 Před 2 lety +3

    We have a 2019 Ford F-350 XLT Super Duty with a BigTex 16GN 25+5MR. The GVWR for trailer is 14,500 and truck is 11,500. The curb weight with a full tank of diesel/DEF, equipment, luggage, etc. is 15,880. We don’t have an auxiliary fuel tank or toolbox.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +3

      Man those are beautiful numbers. Did you have to get that 16gn derated?

    • @isaiahwilson8640
      @isaiahwilson8640 Před 2 lety +3

      @@HotshotMacc Yeah, thanks! We derated the trailer from 16,500 to 14,500. We started hauling on August 19th with our new interstate motor carrier operating authority. Our gross income for the first week was $7,350.

    • @Wc4rav
      @Wc4rav Před rokem

      Your trailer is rated to heavy, ask bigtex to issue a new vin with a 9990 rating

    • @ericdogan9497
      @ericdogan9497 Před rokem +1

      @@isaiahwilson8640 how do I go about getting a trailer derated??

  • @AlbertoGonzalez-tc2ju
    @AlbertoGonzalez-tc2ju Před 2 lety

    10-4 driver appreciation the knowledge!!! ✌🏽I’m considering this but have a class A any ideas thx migo ✌🏽

  • @Mg-wd6id
    @Mg-wd6id Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks mac and clayton ,its was awesome having you guys together i really appreciate learning something from you as i preparing to start my hotshot company .stay blessed

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +1

      Definitely brother! Glad it helped out a bit! Good luck with everything bro and just continue to do the research 💪🏽💯

    • @getrightentertainment9564
      @getrightentertainment9564 Před 2 lety

      How's it going so far?

  • @jimmielittle877
    @jimmielittle877 Před 2 lety +7

    Macc do you have to run a log book being non cdl? Appreciate all the info, been waiting for a indepth video ✅thx

    • @jcpage305
      @jcpage305 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes you do. All commercial OTR driving requires a log.

  • @SmokyMountainsHauling
    @SmokyMountainsHauling Před 2 lety +3

    getting your CDL-A opens up so many more opportunities.

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety

      That’s why we are getting it

    • @cesarchavez507
      @cesarchavez507 Před 2 lety

      what truck would you recommend for a 22gn? just got my cdl. thanks in advance

  • @curtisbowers6948
    @curtisbowers6948 Před 2 lety +3

    BRUH..... THAT WAS LIKE COLLEGE IN 14 MINUTES ..I HOPE THE LEAST YALL DOING IS PAYING ATTENTION ....MACC AND CLAYTON COULD HAVE SOLD THIS TO US...THANKS MY BROTHERS!! I PROMISE YALL JUST CHANGED MY LIFE...........

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +1

      Aye bro I appreciate you showing your appreciation man! Goad this helped out brotha! It’s definitely valuable info that gets looked over all the time! Thanks for the support my man 💪🏽💯

  • @giniolamy
    @giniolamy Před 5 měsíci

    22 thought I heard wrong I had to replay it again to make sure I was hearing right ✅️

  • @johndthomas6837
    @johndthomas6837 Před rokem

    Great info, guys! Question: it's one thing to fill the top line with revenue, it's another thing to keep the bottom line above board as much as you can too. So - costs. I imagine, your salary, fuel, insurance are the biggies. What say you? How does your bottom lines flush out?

    • @oldood2880
      @oldood2880 Před rokem

      You can figure around 40% operating cost. Obviously depends on several factors but roughly

  • @lilswagga254
    @lilswagga254 Před rokem

    Good information, I’ve had a dually for 11 years and haven’t done anything with it :/

  • @TaylorMadejdm1975
    @TaylorMadejdm1975 Před 2 lety +2

    Excellent video Mac I love your content just a quick question do you think that the new laws they're proposing in California that "Asian Mai" is talking about will affect the small guy doing non CDL delivery such as yourself...?👍🍺

    • @HotshotMacc
      @HotshotMacc  Před 2 lety +2

      Appreciate that bro. Man you never know, I’m sure it will have some affect on non cdl operators somewhere down the line so we just gotta pay attention and do everything we can to stay ahead bro. I’m getting my cdl for sure.

    • @jimmielittle877
      @jimmielittle877 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah with all the shortages across the country you can be assured California will do ALL they can to not make it Better!

  • @wesm3915
    @wesm3915 Před 5 měsíci

    My 97' F350 dually crewcab 4x4 is GVW is 9,700, my trailer is a triple axle 16,000 GVW no CDL required.

  • @shermanhemsley2906
    @shermanhemsley2906 Před 2 lety +2

    What brand tires for you guys prefer for both truck and trailer? Have you noticed any variations with longevity and/or fuel economy?

  • @scottstephens956
    @scottstephens956 Před rokem +18

    Thanks for putting this info out there. I am going to run non cdl to start. Based my setup off of you guys. I ended up with a 2013 Bighorn and a 32ft PJ. I'm GVWR'd at 15680 trailer, 10k truck. Hope to be on the road in the next week.

    • @xTOMDCLANx
      @xTOMDCLANx Před rokem +3

      Lmk how it goes been thinking about it

    • @C7Tmac
      @C7Tmac Před rokem

      I'm on the same page bro keep us posted

    • @thisismagacountry1318
      @thisismagacountry1318 Před rokem

      How's the loads and mileage so far?
      Making at least 2K a week profit?

    • @tomburke2830
      @tomburke2830 Před rokem +1

      What sort of truck did you buy? I have a RAM 1500 that's got a 5.7 HEMI so it can tow, but maybe I should jump to a 2500 or 3500....go big or go home. What you have got is probably what I will end up starting with. Thanks! - Tom

    • @jonatanp5756
      @jonatanp5756 Před rokem

      So did you get any loads ?

  • @mrnobody8540
    @mrnobody8540 Před 2 lety +1

    The best setup is one that cost upfront doesn't break the bank...
    Has very low run cost
    Is easy to maintain
    Parts are easy to find
    Can stop on a dime - pull a tank up any mountain and gets the job done with out braking down....