NEW 2.8l LANDCRUISER lifted with 35's, How will it handle the bigger tyres?
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- 2024 70 series auto 2.8l with 35 inch tyres, tested against the V8
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NOW, for the revised towing test with comparable tyre sizes
Bruz just accept it, it’s not that the 4 cylinder is amazing it’s just that the vdj is shit unless your pour heaps of money into it like the rest of a 79
Geeezus karen give it a rest. Your v8 is shit.
@@jacksonwelch9870 you're wasting your time, he's a "muh v8" guy.
@@SmartAceHole82 Idealisticly 700cc per cylinder: a 2.8L(75 HP per litre) inline four, a 4.2L(70 HP per litre) inline six, or a 5.6L(65 HP per litre) V8 for LC 70 series. 4.5L is an awkward displacement for a utilitarian work vehicle with a V8. But the 3.3L(75 HP per litre) V6 diesel would be would be my choice of the current Toyota engines if the reliability is there.
better tune and regear the 4cylinder aswell
Congrats on 500k subs Ronny
One of the best reel life test i have ever seen, very well done and the result is phenomenal 🤠👍
Great job Toyota, now just waiting for the towing results on 35s.
If you have ever seen one of these toyota V8 diesels out of the ute for such a small displacement a baby V8 really they are externally bigger than they need to be and quite heavy.
I feel if the hp & torque are the same for both engines just losing that overweight underperforming slug of a V8 would see the 4cyl turbo diesel at a significant advantage in the power to weight ratio.
The V8 lovers should call for another test with the trays loaded equally and tow weights equal then throw that boat anchor of a V8 on top of the 4cyl diesel as well, should make for a more interesting test but even then the 4cyl diesel would still win.
Walter.
In the United States 35 inch tires are considered small and everyone changes the gears in the axles. No one goes on a two week expedition like the way it is considered normal in Australia. It’s just so interesting to see how different it can be in another country.
Because in the US the trucks are the size of a small city so anything would look really small. I own a 76 they are like the size of a JK Wrangler
The US can do anything and still be legal it seems. In Au the tyres have to be within the fenders.
In WA 35 inch tyres and a 2” lift is illegal on most 4WD
Max is 2” total
Not sure how warranties and insurance deal with this
The majority of USA people wold not know how to drive/or need to drive in 35 inch tyres - seems to be more penis than driving skill as required. Yes - I said it - most people in USA do not tackle the terrain they build their trucks up for. Penis.
Thats true. But how many of these huge trucks with 37s+ are going places where you need them? I guess a lot of them got big tires to compensate for something not so big and it's not their ego
Thorough, informative and fun to watch. Love your work guys!
Great video. The quality is very high, excellent shots/angles, great audio and very good editing. Keep it up.
Congrats on 500K subs Ronny!
finally at 500k!
Congrats Ronny!
These videos keep getting better and better, well done!
They did make a 70 auto in the nineties. The 70 Prado.
The hzj77, hzj71, hzj74, hzj73, hzj76, bj74, bj71 also all available in Auto.
Channels gotten really good Ronny glad to see you doing well this was a great test
It's one of your best videos, mate. The editing was excellent. Love the ghosting effect, and it was clever marketing using your new patches as a marker and Trav using your armrest. Great results, too, for the 76. I will never sell my V8 Troopy mate, nor should you. Say bye to your 79 though. Cheers, John from Darwin
Who’d have thought?
Just keeps on impressing.
Good video, cheers
Dang!! Are you guys sure 😂😂😂 Thanks Ronny… just keep all three rigs 😊🎉
Upgrade to dba disc rotors and extreme pads, no fade and braking is super smooth on steep downhills. Then add 165kw Toyota tune from Rogue/South African models and it’s a weapon. Don’t forget aftermarket transmission cooler.
Ive upgraded my N70 hilux to DBA slotted rotors and Xtreme pads❤ next mod would be rear disc brake convertion so no drums
good to hear dba recommendation instead of bendix who seem to be sponsoring every content creator and his dog
This series has changed a lot of peoples minds I reckon, well done Ronnie...
Its basically become a huge ad campaign, if he didn't get that 76 for free he definitely should have.
how ? he has tested it back to back and bought it himself and given honest opinions ? @@CaptLonestar
Really nice video guys. Thanx
😂 the hill decent feature is literally just riding the breaks 😂
same as traction control.
That ghosting is coool !! 👍 (comparison) congrats on the 500k🎉
Very interesting, but I would be concerned about the long term with the 4 Cylinder
I guess it depends on how long you intend to keep the car for
Low pressure V8 vs high pressure 4 cylinder? V8 for sure when it comes to longevity but it should take 300k to stop 4 cylinder. Time will tell.
Plenty of 2.8 litre hiluxes that have been overworked and they're fine.
Wow this modified 76 series is such a beauty😍
What was the fuel usage comparison? Compared with v8 and also with the standard tyres?
He's done this elsewhere I think, the fuel use with 35's is much worse. But it's irrelevant, most guys with 35:s have social media show vehicles they make money from.
lol @@404errorpagenotfound.6
Nice review guys, I like the auto as well. Cheers
Certainly interesting. That said I want to see how the towing does with the 35's.
One thing I still want to note(even though I was a little surprised) is a Automatic will always do better at transferring Torque allowing for a smoother operation. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will do the best job overall as that will depends on the vehicle with engine. Some will do better than others
Great video, thanks
Did you compare the fuel economy? Apart from that, I think the conclusion is clear, sell the V8 whilst value is still there! There's going to be a crazy waitlist on the auto 76! The remaining test is of course, longevity/duration and on that point only time will tell! Thanks, Ronny, another very informative video.
Did you regear? Or plan to? And does the torque converter still lock up?
A eight speed auto would be excellent behind the V8, and fuel efficient, but cost of conversion would probably nulify any savings.
Put in a 3 speed transfer case instead.
Search CZcams for 3 videos:
1) Fullboost:
GVM test where both cars are factory but they put an additional 500kg on the 2.8 with the steel 33” and only alloy 31” on V8 and it still looses.
2) Car Expert:
Towing tests both standard everything hauling a dynometer to set a controlled test.
3) Auto Expert:
Search for a video with a Troopy and listen to an actual engineer and learn.
nice .. a great rig
Hey do you disconnect your front sway bar when you run rough trails so you can articulate more?
Its interesting. As we get older we like comfort and convenience ie auto over manual. As an employer, I would have a duty of care to provide a rock to staff driving the manual to mitigate handbrake failure. Boys old school needs aside, the auto will be a better choice for modern comfort work in a 79.
Select 1st or 2nd gear in the auto , and see if that changes the way it handles hill decent.
what was the fuel use difference with the 35s?
Great video mate, extremely interesting 👍
This channel: best thing on internet.
Another game changing 76 build😂😂
fuel comparison over this test would have also been a great info
I would love to see the new Landcruiser up against a v8 with a 6 SPEED auto conversion. I recon this is what I would do instead of buying a new Landcruiser it would be much cheaper too.
Y’all are lucky I want a yota diesel in the states!! I want that 70s series Land Cruiser! I have an Fj still below 200k but that thing is cool
10:24 Toyota did, there were auto-options in the very early years. JDM BJ7x often come with an auto.
Im scared to test drive one 😂, looks awesome with 35s and the new look front end
Shad - don’t do it you will want one. I have a 76 V8 like you and test drove the 78 2.8 and it would murder my V8. Also much smoother and quieter. Nicer on the highway as it’s not revving.
@@motorsportfreak1 yeah the 78 would be nice 👍
I've been wondering about this since I saw the fullboost comparo. It sort of reminds me of my Prado auto only it has real power and proper axles! Autos are super easy to drive offroad.
Hi Ronny... awesome content. Thanks!
Question - a while ago you explained in a video that 33s on the hilix ruins yet it has the same 2.8l engine. Can you explain why 33s and 35s are ok on the new landcruiser with same engine?
Nice comparison test. I guess we’ll have to wait a while for longevity results.
Me, I'm still running around in my LN106 and I can't see that changing any time soon. I'll probably be buried with that thing. But the advances in auto transmission over the decades have well and truly caught up and anyone looking at a new 4WD would be nuts to go for a manual. Auto now makes far more sense and gives far greater capability. If I were looking for a new machine it'd be an auto, hands down.
I bet your LN106 is still going strong. My 80 is still bringing me so much joy.
czcams.com/video/ZmWMoe-J9zA/video.html
Interesting comparison, I’ve had the 79 V8 for 10 years and it’s been a reliable platform. Seriously thinking about the 76 Auto mainly for the wife but also the convenience around town. The 76 is pretty adaptable and has some advantages for sure.
Finally 500k!
It's a sign of maturity, admiting the more advanced 2.8l auto is better the the old 4.5l manual. I'd be curious to know the l/100km fuel consumption comparison for each speed for each vehicle.
Ronny suggest testing against a v8 auto conversation
Would be interesting but pretty irrelevant when considering it's a $30k modification.
QUESTION...I have a Toyota hiace diesel manual rear wheel..is possible to put a diff lock in this one
What viking plate you gonna get on the wagon?
Really nice comparison. Those steep long descents may be a bit tricky. Any chance you could test how well toyota breaks coolong works? One more thing I was wondering about are the dunes. I usually had the biggest power issues when climbing sandy hills. This could really manifest after upgrading to 35" MT.
Hi guys, just want to share my stats regarding LC76 plus 19.6 Jayco over 12 months .
SETUP = ,2008 LC76 (315.75.16 tyres) towing 19.6 Off road Jayco. Stock motor ,no tune ,airbags in rear for leveling when fully loaded.
Consumption over 12 months = May 23 to Feb 24
Towing speed highway = 90 km perhour is my cruizing speed
Distance driven = 16494 km
Fuel economy (avg) 17.9 l/ km this is for total km driven
Fuel economy (min) 13.29 l/ km this is town driving or slow , easy pace
Fuel economy (max) 23.57 l/km this is wind / mountain and heavy sand
Total fuel used 2982.1 lt
Ave price from Perth to Melbourne , then up to Brisbane ,longreach ,mt Isa , Townsville Frazer Island to Brisbane. So a mixed terrain.
Cost 35.9 cent per km.
So my experience with an old LC 76 v8, 439,000km on the clock, is the deeper you push the peddle (i.e. increase the wind pressure on the front of the vehicle , the consumption goes up exponetially.)
At 85 to 90 km , the old girl and caravan does 18 to 19 lt/km, push it any harder and it cost you a box of beers :)
I would be adding a tc lockup clutch kit
A comparison of the fuel consumption and the effect of the 35's would have been interesting.
I’d like to know the weight difference of these two vehicles?
Be good to get a modified on Travis' cruiser to see what suspension set up and tyres are on his and how he has set everything up
Brand new off the lot. Did you do anything for the break in period?
I find on 34s with the v8 i take off downhill in first low i couldn't imagine the auto, my holden colorado auto though was fantastic just as good as my 79 in first low on the same tracks but I'm talking extremely steep tracks at 3.5t
Is it feasible or practical to add an engine brake or exhaust brake to the vehicle to aid the auto's down hill decent. Electronically similar to a dynatard or other brands?
Grate vid mate, any chance you can give us the fuel numbers
Pretty Interesting how they both compare 🤔 but I see pros and cons in both 😊
Thank you for killing the on screen close captioning!! ❤
A mate has the lasted model but still in V8 just how many are there ?
Would love to follow the same, “35’s on the 76. What lift have you put on?
what lift kit did you go with ?
Would like to see the same full review done once you regear to the appropriate ratio to suit the 35s....then do it all again.
How do you know that it is different in the 35s?
Was the auto in M1 going downhill?
Fantastic comparison video. Is the new 2.8l Auto due to emissions or to crack a new market, will be interesting to see.
I guess the biggest question is, will it be as reliable as the V8 diesel, only time and km's will tell
Hi Ronny. Your videos are awesome. Just have a question. What suspension are you using?
Its great you can run 35s but for remote travel I will stay with stock sized tyres and steel rims that are available in the remote parts of Australia, it would be a interesting comparison to see if the wheel bearings are effected by the larger and heavier wheels.
Are you allowed to add an exhaust brake as an aid for going Down hill?
Don't you need to regear the front and rear axle to keep the downhill speed in check in 4lo?? That's pretty critical to regear for crawl speed.
The last thing you want to rely on is the hand brake pall inside an auto transmission.
Any auto transmission
Hey Ronnie where can I get some of those armrests thanks?
Should be on 31-33, sweet spot if we consider everything
So which vehicle is going to be sold Ronny?
How about downhill engine braking in tow haul mode ?
Could you provide tyre size 35 inch in metric size? Thx. I wanted to upgrade my LC too!
How high this thing? ❤️ it
You should try to regear the axles
Ya'll harp on downhill rolling speed like proper application of the brakes isn't the same thing. It's just resistance to rolling it, all equals the same thing at the contact patch of the tire. A good driver might have one foot on each pedal and even use both simultaneously.
This guy loves brake fade
We run 37s and even 40s with hiluxes and prados in norway and iceland no problem
I don't think anyone is doubting that the engine can handle it, the difference in my opinion will be long term reliability. Norway and Iceland are both tiny compared to Australia, and the conditions are completely different. It's very common to have a car on 35s that will also do a 5000km camping trip, or even longer. I'm really curious to see what the long term reliability is with these 2.8s, because in my experience, getting more hp out of a smaller engine usually just means that it doesn't last as long. I'd be very impressed to see a 2.8 with a million kms on it.
Great vid👌but we need even more details Ronny! Trans temps,
L/100kms etc. God I wish we got the 2.8l in 🇨🇦Canada🇨🇦 why does no one make a diesel hybrid
import x dunamotor canada
What is the final gear ratio of the auto trans on the 4 cyl and the manual on the V8? Also, what is the diff gear ratio for both?
Not 100% Sure, but I think the V8 is 3.9:1 and the 2.8L is 4.3:1.
@DMSVICAU that sounds like the diff gear ratio. The final gear would be the highest transmission gear. That in combination with the diff gear ratio and tire diameter has a large impact how it will drive at highway speeds and the ability to maintain the high gear.
@@johnfitzgerald5158
(Though you were asking about the Diff Ratios)
Given we know the Tyre Diameter and the RPMs at a Given Speed, a Bit of HighSchool Maths will be able to Give the Answer You’re Looking For.
Nice review you did a could job 👍but personally I’d rather have a manual any day of the week coupled to a 1Hd
New versus old, to be expected result.
Watching this after the Ineos video, what I think will be fascinating to watch is how Ineos will listen to customer complaints and optimise their product, Toyota clearly do not, wheel track, hand break, poor tech, they need to watch out! I drive a Toyota today, but might not be by my next one. It will come down to Ineos reliability 🤔
I would love to see the auto 76 series vs a 76 or 79 series with the automatic conversion done on the V8 and see what they are both like. I know the automatic conversion is a $30k extra but does it make the v8 worth it to do or should you just buy the 2.8L
Downhill assist. V8 - due to extra four cylinders going through retarding force created by suction/vacuum decreasing and slowing the spin of the crankshaft, helping in engine breaking. The more the cylinders, the greater the retarding force provided that decceleration is maximum
Now they have finally put autos in the 70's all they need now is a petrol straight 6.
I'm not buying a land cruiser for performance as much as I'm buying it for reliability and build quality. What will the higher psi in the 2.8L do to longevity?
It will reduce it.
thanks for your great videos.
could you do me a favour? i want to know if it's possible to sleep in the back when the rear row of seats is folded down. could you measure this distance for me?
best roman
Any chance you can get a hold of the North American 2024 Land Cruiser and run similar tests?
Buy him one and ship it over and I'm sure he'll do it for you 😂 And the the US "LandCruiser" is what we call a Prado here, and it sit's below the actual 300 and 70 series Landcruisers in Australia.
I'm interested to see some temps. Egt and transmission when towing. I don't think we'll see these things doing heavier work over many years. It really does show up how massive the v8 got detuned by Toyota to make them last longer though.
Hey Ronny are you in Denham?? I reckon I saw you and Little Bear on the 30th March 2024.
will you test it on the sand with the 35's?
How many inches is this car lifted?