The Troubles A Secret History ( Behind The Scenes ) BBC Spotlight
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2019
- This film shows how the critically acclaimed television series Spotlight on the Troubles:
A Secret History was made. Reporters, producers - even the bosses - were filmed over two years as they uncovered incredible new stories about the past.
How did Jennifer O'Leary persuade a former missionary priest to reveal his role in smuggling money and weapons to the IRA? How did Darragh Macintyre find out the British and American intelligence connections to a long-hidden documentary about a senior IRA man?
And how did Mandy McAuley discover that a church charity worker was actually a suspect in a series of murders across Mid Ulster? - Zábava
The series is journalism and television of the highest order, and that so rare now
If the BBC focused on producing shows of this quality then there wouldn’t be such a desire to defund them!
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They've gone full woke, Cultural Marxist TRAITORS to the British people - they are no longer representative of British values, they must be defunded and drop the British prefix, call themselves the Treacherous Broadcast Corporation
Such a legitimately good documentary series. Was suprised how balanced it was, especially for the BBC lol
Thanks for uploading this and the entire series. I couldn’t have seen it otherwise out here in the Middle East
Brilliant series. Well done to all involved
Excellent series. Very high quality.
Compelling viewing.Well done!!
Amazing series. The stories thry've uncovered were astonishing and heartbreaking.
All sides have place and space to blame. The Britts, IRA and UVF. As always the innocent civilians suffer the most. I hope ALL sides never go to war again...The hatred unfortunately is still there and it only takes a spark.. As a decendsant of Irish born I pray there can be love,patience and forgiveness with mercy on all..
Area 51... if any country has ppl who never allows its kids to mix with others their whole school life.. But insist on faith STREAMED KIDS to STOP them intergrate LESSENING CONTROL over their clan... then they will continue to never end division. These kids will continue to be in the catchment area for ira cause, ira sinn fein political arena. Those other kids of mixed faiths. Cultures n political desires GO TO STATE SCHOOL INTERGRATE.. Absolutely no problem. Faith schools on own, education is good standard triple funded. But streaming these children to never meet or talk all childhood is harmful to any society... Their views are limited to what ancestors disagreed on.. School. Parent. Priest. Pals all enforcing they correct in their opinions so when adults they become aware these other ppl don't prescribe to their views.. So treat as monster denigrating moderate ppl who have same hardships shutting their voice down. By whatever means. The others Family and work issues. They actually don't know their fellow country ppl. Need to.
@@joprocter4573 education is still heavily segregated in Northern Ireland. There are more “Peace Walls” now than at any time during the conflict. Loyalists killing each other over their lucrative drug running operations.
All sides? The one that was colonised, invaded and raped and pillaged by a country that saw them as brutes defended itself. The person that started this all is to blame, never ever forget that. What a load of Sh1te
“The Secret Army” was put together in 1972. Martin McGuinness was indeed arrested and sent to prison in 1974. Among the charges was “being too close to a car full of explosives”. You knew this, right?
He did two short stints in jail in the Irish Feee State.
Britain never convincted him, because he was a protected informer in the North.
@@jakenconorPresumably you mean the Irish Republic? The FreeState ended before he was born.
this film crew are very good at their jobs. Producing excellent work they are thorough, hard working and, intelligent. Great film documentery series'.
WELL DONE TO THE SPOTLIGHT TEAM, FOR TRYING TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH OF THE TROUBLES/ CONFLICT ,
Brilliant series. Horrifying.
Been calling Martin mcguinness MI5 Marty for a while. Turns out i was as always correct on these matters
John Ruddy in what way. McGuinness was indeed arrested for illegal explosives in 1974.
@@robertwillett9204 and did very little time for it
@@robertwillett9204 it’s called plausible deniability.
@@robertwillett9204 Wise up will ya! Of course they were going to 'arrest' him. That's when they turn them and if he was already turned by then they'd still have arrested him otherwise his cover would have been blown.
@@keithp6699spot on. These people have serious problems understanding how intelligence agencies operate. I mean I don't even know it all but I know enough to know that Marty was an informant cos they never lose a good asset.
So the whole car was blown to bits but the number plate was perfectly laying beside it? Aye right
I really enjoyed this series. As an American living in the middle of my country, I knew some of what happened, but only really became involved after knowing some of my own country's history, namely the Scots Irish. When I saw that Ulster was a plantation, that became the big lightbulb in my head about where it all really began, even without doing much research. After a few months, I began listening to Zombie by the Cranberries, and began crying. That's when I came across this series. It was very well done, but it boggles my mind that 3 decades go by, and no one could figure out that Adams and McGuinness were at the top of the IRA, despite being up front and center at every funeral. And I get the same for Ian Paisley. When people that hang around you get electrocuted for trying to take down the power grid, and publicly you don't apologize and back off a little? That tells you about his true character, and it sure as hell isn't a man of God.
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You need to read history back to ice age. Ref plantation.. Was only small page in story. In any case island then was British and had British MONACH the ppl were always British.. Erosion of land of coast of UK. Mainland mixed heritage would have been Scots. English. Welsh.. Later pirates n traders came renamed place Ireland but mixed heritage was always here. Tace history of what is called plantations.. It was a movement of skilled REFUGUEES displaced all over Europe thru catholic religeous wars. Their lives in fear fled to many places but also to all of today's UK n Ireland. They improved farming. Linen making. Skills that improved life's of the ppl. Irish Catholicism was and is still a big controller. They preferred to speak Latin. At this time in history plantation was not wrong it was moving trade's n skills n settlers to part of own country.. A part of United Kingdom. At that time.
@@joprocter4573 Absolute horseshit - where did you get this nonsense "The unionist's whitewash guide to Irish History"?
@@ChuckChuckWood obviously called chuck for a reason. Problem is Ireland or any other country is solo race in it.
@@joprocter4573 You can barely string a sentence together let alone come up with an alternate history - take a break there Jo your few brain cells are running red hot.
@@joprocter4573 you GENIUS.
Ever hear of the B SPECIALS.
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SPOTLIGHT : Fear & Loathing In Quinn Country czcams.com/video/DECKfZO7LT0/video.html
I do know this is what These people Report On day and daily ... but really ? its only story telling .. not telling Stories .... talk to the people That It really effects . Not the shock tatics reporting to sell papers and docu s
It’s too early to reach many the conclusions you reach. Also, most if not all of the IRA personnel you interviewed were either dissidents or anti-SF. What murders occurred because of the Adams/McGuinness rejection of abstentionism which occurred at the 1986 Ard Fheis? It certainly seemed that you implied this, but it doesn’t seem likely. Republican Sinn Fein was not formed until later and no one knew that they had a military arm-Continuity IRA (CIRA)-for years.
War is dirty that's all there is no innocence that's all, 1959?/1969?/ 2/2019(20) the Plan ,war is dirty, yes i agree with your wording there were/R/some " Charmed " lives still amongst us .
One thing is certain" We all will get off R Dark Horse "
& show R true colours. i assure U...❤❤❤...
I don't like the style of these modern documentaries, why do the people making them have to be seen all the time. I don't need to feel empathy for the makers, I can assess the content independently and conclude objectively
This is a bts episode
This is behind the scenes the real doc is excellent
How can such a tragedy occur in Western Europe in the 20th century? What happen to good governance and stable society? Can nine centuries of conflict fuel the violence of the Troubles? The people of Great Britain and Ireland need to know how Brexit can return and destroy the peace and prosperity of the Emerald Isles.
Shame these dont get shown to the britsh public
Because the British government doesn’t want to catch them because they worked with the loyalists that why
So the allegations against Martin were probably true.
VivaLaPol Highly unlikely. He was arrested and sent to prison AFTER this film was made for explosives related charges.
@@robertwillett9204 this “film” was made after he died.
God bless the BBC.
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Tongue in cheek, yeah?
Let’s all get over religion first.
It’s not really about religion at all, except that religion is a tribal marker
@@Conorguill Cromwell is tied in there. Started with A lot about Cats and Prots. Just not as much any more. It is tribal. Why do otherwise intelligent people believe silly things? We all do it. No idea.
@@Flags.crosses.trailerparks point is that it’s not about theology, it’s not the equivalent of 16th C religious wars. At this stage, it’s about what Catholic & Protestant signify, ie native v planter, ‘Irish’ v ‘British’
@@Conorguill But the roots are religious. The homes are divided in that way. The walls were erected in that way. It's just become a modern day analogy.
@@Flags.crosses.trailerparks the roots are not primarily religious. The Irish resistance to Tudor Conquest was particularly strong in Ulster. Natives were dispossessed and huge numbers of Scots/English were planted in Ulster, giving them an uneasy prosperity. Yes the religion matters but it was not the main component
There is a partially disingenuous thing done by many ‘mainstream’ Irish & British journalists where they take the views of anti-‘peace process’ PIRA members as authoritative when criticising Adams, McGuinness, etc
Similar with comment on Ghaddafi sidekick
J. Bowyer Bell was an extremely respected, well known, and much sought after academic expert on conflict zones and terrorist organizations from around the globe.
His academic endevours included Egypt, Palestine, a long running research and writing relationship with Ireland, and concluded, near the end of his life, with discourses and publications on Islamic terror in the pre and post 9/11 world (he passed in 2003). His analysis papers - of which there are dozens - are to this day part of the international affairs curriculum at several institutions of both higher learning and government. And yes, during his life those institutions included CIA.
However, Bell was a legitimate fully credentialed PhD and historian. And those "connections" to CIA were both academic and client based. Meaning educational and informative as opposed to actionable Intel used to target individuals and organizations. I find it an egregious abuse of legacy to portray a man of such intense learning and experience, a true educator, as no more than potential shill for CIA. And one can only imagine the offense taken by Martin McGuiness' family, friends, and collegues at the notion of McGuniess working for MI5. An accusation never made whilst he was among the living.
And this brings us to BBC's wide mouthed sin of omission (to use a Catholic term). Namely that Bell's "associations" with with CIA began long after filming "The Secret Army." In his later years, when he no longer felt like running around capitals conducting interviews with combatants, Bell founded a security analysis firm of which many agencies and groups were clients. That is when his CIA association began, and ended. CIA was his client, not the other way around. And bare in mind, this firm existed pre 9/11, before you could stand at the potomac, throw a rock, and hit some over paid associate degree in a suit claiming to be a Near East expert. I suspect the reason these documentarians at BBC portrayed Bell's CIA associations using such vague terminology is simple - there was nothing sexy about the truth. His affiliation with CIA was a straight forward fee based analysis. And clientel associations based on dry academic assesments can't be dressed up by soundtrack, no matter how dramatic the score. But instead of reporting this rather bland, simple truth, BBC used terms like "associated" , "affiliated" and "connected" whilst offering as proof the hairless head of a producer staring at his work screen with cia's .gov web address typed into the search bar. As if the Central Intelligence Agency has a clickable public tab marked "agents, assests, and informants, past and present."
Providing academic risk assesment and analysis for CIA, ons client basis from his own firm, doesn't make Bell a spy anymore than providing similar data to the US Dept of State (another Bell client) makes him an ambassador, diplomat, or the Secretary of State. The entire notion idle ludicrous to the point of comedic.
I suppose BBC's seven part series was fine so far as documentaries which turn up nothing new go, but the faux zeal to unearth some as of yet to be discovered truth did little more then turn up a wobbly connection based on shoddy suposition and zero proof. Put it this way - there's a reason the Bell line of inquiry didn't make it into the series. It was smoke. A fiction, a wish they desperately hoped would prove true. And when it didn't, they stuffed in a behind-the-scenes recyclables bin and hoped no one would notice. Shame.
As to the IRA, Bell's reationship with Ireland, as a place and people, had a profound effect on his life. As a widower, he met his second wife there, Norah, a native of West Kerry, to whom he remained married for the rest of his life. He also maintained a relationship with a multitude of nationalists for decades, spanning two even three generations of Republicans. In fact, if any criticism can be leveled at Bell it is that he grew too fond of those in the movement, at least for a historian, and this fondness manifested in talks and interviews from time to time.
In a series of interviews with C-Span's Brian Lamb (I'll leave a link at the bottom) he describes the many years he spent in Ireland, living there, meeting his wife, and the close, personal relationships he made and maintained. And based on the footage and access IRA granted him - which is also evident in his book of the same name - I'd say these recollections prove true. If I had to guess, from the start IRA membership judged him more credible than most literary inquisitors because unlike most authors interested in The Troubles, and specifically IRA, Bell was not a journalist. He was an academic who actually put in the years away from home in an effort to be educated on the conflict so as to educate others, not as a tool to generate headlines, clicks or self promotion. And he certainly wasn't a spy, asset or Intelligence officer. Though it would have been one hell of an op pitch.
"Hey Bell, we have an assignment for you, now before you say no, it only involves the next 30 years of your life, and we'll need you to marry an Irish broad, what do you say?"
Truth is, Bell loved alot of those old volunteers, and no one would be more irritated that MI5 got a look at his footage, and spiked his film, than Bell himself. And the fact that the only man BBC interviewed whom actually worked with and knew Bell, said exactly that, should tell you all you need to know about the BBC portrayal of Bell in this footage.
Lastly, it's worth mentioning that Bell actually was what the people producing this documentary purport to be, and do. He lived among foreign peoples and cultures during periods of intense strife, sometimes at great personal risk, so that he could learn of and preserve their struggles for future generations of scholars and historians. In short, Bell lived history. And he didn't need unfounded inuendos to marr his betters in a effort to make his mark.
If you're truly interested in The Troubles, I highly reccomed the books written by the fully credientialed, authentic expert and historian, J. Bowyer Bell. And give the C-Span rapid fire Q&A with Brian Lamb a listen. I'll add a link and Bell's bibliography at the bottom (be forewarned, it's too extensive to include all of his research papers). You wont be dissapointed.
The following exchange opened the C-Span interview with Lamb, and to this day remains my favorite response of any author to any question.
Lamb: "This is a very big book, lots of words."
Bell: "Yes, well, many of them are different."
www.c-span.org/video/?42686-1/irish-troubles
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BBC makes a documentary based on British intelligence?? Why don't just make a propaganda/history movie?? Commeon people!!!