Don’t Buy an OLED Gaming Monitor It Will RUIN YOUR LIFE
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Don’t Buy an OLED Gaming Monitor It Will RUIN YOUR LIFE
PC gamers are probably better off avoiding buying an OLED gaming monitor right now as it could completely ruin their life. Not only are OLED gaming monitors incredibly expensive, but with so few options on the market you will likely have to make the tough choice between dealing with something you don't like about the display, or buying a 55" TV to use as a monitor which will require you to rearrange your whole setup.
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Do you think buying an OLED gaming monitor is a good Idea? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
Thank for the video i also think the same and you should add about the potential Burn-in when gaming in certain games with static Hub. i think Mini-Led are more appropriate for gaming. TVs even though being big display seems to offer better and better value every year compared to monitor sadly. I'm seriously considering something like the new Hisense U8K and make a kind of Couchmaster setup.
have fun with the burn in you are lucky that you can but a new one every 6 months
I only play AAA games so 4k/60 dlss quality RT off is my thing.
I agree I just grabbed a 48 inch 4k OLED. It’s the most beautiful monitor ever to me BUT it was a grand and I never spent so much. And I’m so afraid of screen burn in so I’m always making sure to shut it off when downloading games and everything else.
"I'm going to convince you NOT to get an OLED display!.... $999" Goal achieved. Convinced.
It's not even expensive considering what you get for it and how long it will last. You get a good Oled display and it instantly enhances your media consumption experience and won't be truly outdated for 5+ years. Or you can spend almost 2x the price for a GPU that will be mid range in 18 months.
@@AVerySillySausage It's $1,100 with tax and there's no burn in warranty at all. It's a rip off and the low brightness and the screen coating is noticeable. Should be $800 max.
Yup. Anyone paying over $700 for a top tier monitor is wasting money.
@@Kizzster The no burn in protection and low brightness were a deal breaker for me. But I still find it hard to call it a rip off, at least it's something new.
@@AVerySillySausage I'm gonna wait on ASUS but hopefully that Rog tax doesn't make it $1,500. Heatsink and possible warranty maybe more brightness too
This is crazy to me, I understand this is a video designed shine light on the pros and cons of these monitors but coming from a 27in 144hz 1080p monitor to the alienware 34in QD OLED I literally couldn't imagine a better monitor and I'm never looking back. It was worth every dollar. Personally I think you got a monitor addiction.
@Siddharth good question👍
@Siddharth I have qd oled too and no it does not, I play cs go time to time, it does not bother me but at the same time it looks AMAZING for high fidelity games like cyberpunk/ Forza. Also, for this particular model I use hdr 1000 which lowers down the overall brightness a bit to allow for higher peak brightness on parts.
I've got the AW qd-oled as well and I haven't had a single issue since I pre-ordered. Even the ones he pointed out. You'd expect first batch to have some problems but I think it shows they did their testing. Worth every penny.
but its a 24inch and qhd, the pixel density is very low
Yep, using the recent lg one for couple of weeks now and.. I just dont see it ruining me, I had QHD 60hz until now rofl, I dont buy monitors often, but I wanted something what can increase the atmosphere of certain dark and scary games by having pure black so I waited for such monitors start popping up in reasonable resolutions to size ratio and refresh rates. It achieves my goal brilliantly and I don't think I am going to look for something new anytime soon.
Stop buying TV's and calling them gaming monitors.
apart from the ports on the back, tv and monitors are the same thing
However while you can get a decent monitor for just about 300€, I haven't found a decent 55" 4K TV for the same price.
Also it must be a very low percentage of people that are buying a 300€ gaming monitor to watch TV in the livingroom.
@@Revytwohands-io6duno, not exactly
@@Revytwohands-io6du whoa not true at all.
@@JP-dm6gimy samsung 4k tv was about 300, its 50 inch though
Been on a LG Oled 48inch 120hz tv for 2 years now. Has been the most substantial upgrade to my pc so far. It’s the HDR experience that brought the 4K screen to lifelike images. I could never go back to anything smaller.
Been watching a lot of reviews on OLED monitors it really does seem to be one of the most noticeable upgrades you can make outside of getting a fancy new video card, or maybe switching from 1080p to 4K.
Oled really is amazing. Going between my TV and my computer monitor is night and day.
@@squirrelsinjacket1804 it’s definitely worth it even more so then a GPU. Besides, your gonna need it for your fancy new GPu else as well.
About a year and a half on mine, I wouldn't say I couldn't go smaller, 42" would have been nice if it existed at the time for the slightly higher PPI and I could get a little closer. But in general the big screen OLED 4k HDR experience is definitely a big improvement, it makes any game look much better and much more enjoyable. Best 1k I have ever spent on a tech purchase, feels like great value for money even at the high price. Then you compare it to GPUs that are more expensive and are outdated tech in just 18 months when another 1k+ GPU comes out, it's just ridiculous. My next upgrade for this display will have probably when 4k 240hz or 8k 120hz can be had for the same price as I paid for this and the hardware has to be available to drive it. Also by then Oled brightness should either be resolved or maybe it will just be microLED.
@@AVerySillySausage I have the LG CX for about 2 years now and I tried going smaller with the Alienware Ultrawide. I noticed I couldn't easily adapt to a smaller screen this time around. The 48" of the LG CX is just too damn immersive.
How do I block a channel this guy is unbearable
wondering the same
I recently decided to swap over to a 42" LG C2 Evo from my single 27" 4k and two 27" 1440p monitors, and I couldn't be happier with the decision. I have the C2 mounted on the wall just above my desk, and it is hands down the best display I've ever had. I was able to get it on sale last month for $899, and since I live in Montana, I didn't have to pay any sales tax 🙂
For the price, I thought it was the absolute best option because everything else was way more expensive and didn't look as good. I don't play any FPS games that would merit higher than 120hz refresh rate, so this tv as a display has been absolutely perfect!
Same, not to mention the built in 21:9 or 32:9 UW modes
42" seems so big for a pc monitor, how far away do you sit
@@berit9 I almost got the 48” C2, but after watching a few videos, I decided on the 42”. It does seem big at first, but I’ve found that I absolutely love the screen real estate. I normally sit back about 3 or 4 feet when I’m watching videos or playing games.
Whats your opinion on the screen dimming? I would be using mine for work mostly. Thanks
@@idratherberidingnow I've not really had any issues with the screen dimming. There are energy saving options in the TV that help to minimize the screen from dimming, and I only ever see the screen dim when I'm not active on my PC, and that usually takes a bit for it to dim. I also have seen that if it has dimmed and I go back to activity on my PC, the screen will usually brighten back pretty quickly.
As someone who just bought and upgraded from a regular IPS 1440p monitor to an Alienware AW3423DWF last week.... too late. Rabbit hole opened, now considering GPU upgrade for going to ultrawide lol. I love the change from 27" 16:9 to 34" 21:9 though.
Man,once you go ultrawide,you never wanna go back.Love ultrawide and yes gonna need good gpu.I got 4090 but 3080ti should be enough
nice i just bought the alienware a few months ago also i love also yes ultrawide is amaizng for PC i feel like every pc gamer needs ultrawide its so nice
I would totally get one of those samsung 49" ultrawides but not until they have a full 2160 4K vertical resolution and OLED as well.
@Johnny boogalo yup 3080ti is enough, I use an ultrawide as well.
I got my aw3423dwf yesterday I run it with a 7900xtx love it
Obviously 4K would be a nice option to have but that would cost more and more to run it at 240z as well so for a lot of people 2k 240z is perfect at this size
Also every “gaming” monitor has a matte coating sadly
There is no 4k 240 hz, due to data rate on current protocols being maxed at 4k 144 hz
@@Kahyos we don’t even have systems strong enough to even properly make use of that anyways. Maybe one day.
@@stansmith7445The only future-proof purchase. 2K has nothing on 4K.
This monitor is amazing. The matte finish is nothing and the pixels aren't that noticeable. It's far better than what he's saying. It's a 9/10 ez
I bought it this week, and it is a amazing screen! With the update its even beter
Don't worry... Monitor with matte coating is no go zone for me.
Now I'm using 55" LG OLED TV for my PC ;)
120hz, gsync.. For SP player? It's enough
Once oled, forever oled 😍
Same have LG c1 55 Oled for Pc and like who will pay for 27 2k Oled that cost more then this TV is crazy
the most chill intro i've seen you do in the last two years. i use the 42" C2 and it has ruined every other display for me
When I upgrade to a 5090 I'm hoping the 4k oled market will have more options by then.
I returned my C2 within 12 hours as it felt TERRIBLE for competitive PC FPS. Blurry mess compared to the 240hz IPS I was used to
@@mrpetebojangles21That is odd. When I play Apex and Warzone 2 on my C2 I often can see and call out stuff that my team mates have not seen. Maybe it is a settings issues / FOV.
@@Jaycensolo do you play on console or with a controller?
@@mrpetebojangles21 PC with a mouse and keyboard.
An OLED monitor not working out is a pretty low bar for having your life ruined, usually the death of a child is required to reach those heights.
The LG C2 is the way to go. It has everything I want. oled, 4K, 120hz. Nothing else on the market has those specs at an affordable price. The only downside is that its a little big if youre using it mainly for a gaming monitor, I wish they made a smaller one. I mostly play single player games so 120hz is more than enough for me.
The KTC 42 is the same panel but a bit more IO and can OC' to 138Hz. Both are pretty slick but the 90w usbC power delivery and the KTC42 just made it the winner in my book.
How do you feel about it now considering we are getting 32 inch 4k 240hz OLED monitors early next year? Genuine question, not trying to be rude or snarky.
@@JoeBlow-ub1us I ended up returning it for the LG 27" oled monitor. 42" was too big for my small room, it was making me dizzy sitting only 3ft away.
About the 32" 4K oled's that's coming out, I'll wait for a price drop at $1K or below plus I'll need to upgrade my graphics card to a 4090xg mobile which is super expensive. As of now I'm good with gaming at 1440, 60fps on my 27" OLED monitor.
@@ADOS_DSGB you can pre-order one rn from dough (formerly known as Eve) for $889 with the glossy gorilla glass.
I have the LG 27in OLED... not sure where the complaint about brightness comes from because I moved from an old TN BenQ Zowie 144 27in and this LG has been worth every penny to me.
I just bought one and see people complaining about the brightness but also see the same monitor in a bright lit room in other videos and the monitor is giving off a good brightness and not dim at all, might just be some real idiots lmao.
I dont quite understand where the market is. A 32' OLED seems like it would be the obvious next step for gaming monitor customers but nobody is making them. There are no options for 4K OLED below 42" except for one 27" which is too small IMHO and it is well over $1200. Many people go with a 34" 1440p instead but that seems like a waste of pixels to me, I'd rather have a higher resolution than an extra two inches.
Honestly im totally happy with 27" 1440p options, EXCEPT there still is no glossy model. I am one of those people who thinks matte finish kills the colors of a monitor. I currently have a 42" c2 and it looks miles better than the 27" models ive seen in store, mostly just because of the glossiness
how does 1440p look on a 42 inch?
@@ADOS_DSGB not going to be super sharp, but still not terrible. The c2 is 4k though, so thats typically what I run it at. When im play some of my console games that run at 1440p120fps they still look great.
The Alogic Clarity is 27” 4K and glossy
@@TheEchelon but is it oled
im the opposite, i prefer matt and find it harder to find non-glossy finishes as all i see are my lights reflecting lol
With such a low PPI on the 45 inch, only being 1440p, it’s just not going to look good on static screens. It’s also 1700 bucks, LG is MAD
I've got the C1 with 65 inches. Can't imagine a better screen in my life and don't need another!
I was glad when IPS panels finally became fast. But what I have missed from monitors is good black, even as a kid.
Not just that it's black, but LCD has such an unpleasant sheen.
I still use a PG27UQ personally. I've been waiting for a 4K OLED panel that's glossy and at least 32 inches or smaller. Until then I'll stick with the PG27UQ. It's not like it's awful, it's just not nearly as good as that would be.
@N7 Andy I thought it was a pretty good deal considering it was the only HDR monitor on the market and had a full array backlight before anything other than $3K+ TVs did even while also being one of few displays with a single response time toggle across the entire range. I'm more disappointed the PG27UQX never really came out. They announced it only like a month after I got the monitor and it's been like 5 years now.
@N7 Andy I still don't think it's worth it. A 48 inch display literally would not fit in my setup, I'd have to completely restructure my entire room as my desk barely has the space for the two displays I have on it and on both sides of it are filing cabinets that weigh over 300 pounds. That's just out of the question for me.
Plus those features aren't really a massive improvement to me. Yeah the 27UQ only uses 10 bit up to 98hz, but most games don't even utilize 10 bit color in a noticeable way. The only game I've noticed a difference is Final Fantasy 15 and it's pretty subtle. And 12 bit is irrelevant as no content on PC supports 12 bit color, there are no dolby vision games on PC so it would only matter for streaming apps which I personally don't use other than CZcams (which also doesn't). Personally I just leave my monitor on 8 bit 120hz all the time. Also G sync on the LG isn't the same as it doesn't support LFC (low frame rate compensation). It means you're only getting VRR down to around 48hz while on the 27UQ you still get the effect down to around 15-20fps.
And pricing of course the C2 is dirt cheap now, it's 5 years after the 27UQ came out and I got it only a year after it came out for $1400. Back then the cheapest LG was still 55 inches and $2200 and only on sale for down to $1800 on black friday. There are now monitors with better specs than the 27UQ for $700, they just aren't enough an upgrade for me to say it's worth it. Besides, this thing is still one of the brightest monitors you can get and I do like a vibrant screen. Plus OLED wouldn't work with how I watch youtube mainly minimized as 1080p footage on a 4K display looks pretty awful so I usually don't watch 1080p content full screen. That would definitely burn in.
And I think you're thinking the PG32UQX. That was an obnoxiously over priced display, but it is the brightest monitors at like 1800 nits in some tests and is a 1000 dimming zone monitor. As I said, the PG27UQX never actually came out. It was talked about by them for a few years but never actually showed up. Even found posts on Reddit asking if it was shelved (I think it was).
Ya, the burn in will ruin your life as you have to buy a new monitor. The people pretending its not an issue do everyone who dont know better a disservice.
I will wait for more OLED gaming monitors to become more mainstream and price are better. Great video man.
If OLED displays fix their inevitable burn in, I'll probably buy one for PC. Problem is, the taskbar is displayed most of the time, making it an easy target for burn in. I know you can just make the taskbar pop up when it needs to, but a few seconds makes a lot of difference (and frustration). Smartphones are slightly different due to them not having a taskbar but instead a home button or gesture bar. Generally my phone's OLED has performed quite well with minimal burn in, it's only noticeable on the notifications bar and the gesture bar. That's not to say that all OLED screens are perfect though. I own a ps vita and that has a OLED display, and has a lot of glaring artifacts like mura, greenish greys and burn in.
It's physics. To drive them LEDs brighter, they'll need to dissipate more heat. Even with placing them on an aluminium plate to improve cooling, there's a limit to how many one can put on a square mm. That's why you get a fairly mediocre DPI, which then translates into larger displays.
Loving my 48 inch OLED from LG Ultragear, 139 Hz and the HDR effect is actually brighter then HDR. lol
If all you are worried about that the matte finish won't be great, instead of buying a monitor buy an LG C2 TV. A 42 inch monitor will run about $899.00 USD when it's not on sale. Colors are vibrant, 120Hz, VRR, HDMI 2.1... what's not to like?
I just want a 1440p 24.5" 240-360hz OLED monitor with a glossy screen! That would be my end game!
LG C2 42" got it sale at 760€ (in Finland) for PC-gaming. 10/10 and it was cheaper than new 1440p tiny 27" oled monitors. Never going back to 27" monitors.
too late, i just bought an alienware ultrawide DW, no regrets, it looks amazing haha
Using a 55" Panasonic JZ1500 with master panel as a PC & gaming monitor for two years now. Did the same with highend plasma Tvs, before my OLEDs. No problems at all. Check out how LCD panels degrade in a few years of use.
I don't know why this video got so many downvotes. OLEDs are inherently flawed. Every single one will experience burn in, regardless of the pixel refresh and panel refresh features which only prolong the inevitable
I have the ASUS ROG 42" OLED paired with 4090 and it is fire.
I hate how people are becoming FPS whores in online gaming. I'm on a 60hz productiviy monitor with (I think) 8ms response time and still find myself in the 80th percentile of CoD players in terms of game score and game win/loss ratio. Whatever advantage you get from a ~20ms difference is literally 1-2 frames when running at 60fps; and I'm sorry less than 5% of gamers can measure a 1-2 frame timing difference in real time without their attention being directed to it. Even those that can see a difference, would admit that 1) just because you percieve the difference it only means that it is *possible* that one display showed information sooner than the other not that it absolutely will; and 2) even if the information was shown 20ms sooner, it is not enough of a difference to decide a successful or failure response at their competitive level in most cases and definitely not at the average 'competitive/try-hard' gamer level. No, the reason you're getting headshot with precision is because the other player's mouse + keyboard control is better than yours and their ability to predict exceeds yours. They could be on a 60hz display situation and you on 360hz with lower system latency and network latency; you'd still be fucked.
And lastly, so many people out there running around with network latency that kind of make their system latency reductions irrelevant. People don't realize that netcode means you're always looking at an interpolation of where a player is and not actual. Having better system latency can't hurt, but instead of spending $800 more on display + graphics card upgrades, spend it on better network gear and internet service (fiber). More than half of the time I play CoD; I'm running on 1ms ping -- no joke. Not ever fluctuating off of it. 360hz with 60ms ping isn't going to beat me at 60hz with 1ms ping. Tips: don't buy 'gaming' routers, learn how to set up a real router + switches + wifi access points, and game on ethernet always. Also, turn off any stupid fucking software that pretends it can optimize your gaming latency. That shit slows you down for sure, and for me damn near broke FFXIV network entirely. Don't even buy into those "we route your connection through our data centers and it's faster" either. It's a rare situation normal internet routing protocols don't actually find and use the best route.
Grats on being 80th percentile with dogshit FPS and input lag. You should at least feel what 144hz or even 240hz *feels* like before commenting on this. I say "feels" because HZ/fps also affects how fast your own inputs occur on your screen.
I got the "Alienware 27 360Hz QD-OLED Gaming Monitor - AW2725DF" and I do have to say it's an absolute no go for me with the colour fringing. I can see it especially clear when using a small crosshair in cs2 and increasing my saturation (which I like to do to make the colours pop more). And it just buggs the hell outta me.
Aside from that it's a great monitor. But I will return it and get an IPS instead.
Hope this helps some, as I wasn't aware it would be that noticable.
cheers
120hz on an OLED is about equal to 165-185 on a LCD. It's completely fine. Also the C1 I have gets uncomfortably bright in SDR. 115-125 nits with abl off is perfect (35-40 brightness).
Is that true? I been playing on a benq 240hz monitor for years and I just upgraded to the new lg 27 inch oled and it truly does look and feel faster then 240hz lol like I know on paper the lg oled monitor clearly states its 240hz but damn it really does feel like the refresh rate is higher then what it says.
@@IXICREATUREIXI It has to do with the pixel response time. You're getting a fraction of a millisecond with OLED while most IPS monitors are several ms.
@@IXICREATUREIXI how long did it take for you to receive it i just ordered it
@@LuisMartinez-nd7mk I ordered the 18th and got it the 25th
@@IXICREATUREIXI thanks for the quick response i cant wait to get it
I bought a 55" LG CX last year for $1,000. I have it in the living room with a RTX 3090 PC build and a PS5 hooked up to it. It's looks amazing!
the 42 inch LG c2 is the best option, even if you upscale from 1080p.
ABL is a problem thou.
The Asus 42 inch OLED would be better since it has a heatsink, but that is matt and far more expensive.
Kinda fun that no company actually made the OLED we all want.
That's what I'm wondering. I run my computer at 1440p but I can't push 4K with high+ settings so I want to stay at 1440p/1080p. Does it look good on a 4K C2? And is 1080p better for upscaling to 4K?
I think they held off because they'll get 50% of the early adopters to jump ship for the new monitors when they come out--even if they're only slightly different and improved.
@@7evive I havent tested it myself, so I can only go from hearsay.
My understanding is that 1080p upscales better to 4k because you have 4 pixels to 1 ratio (basically 4 squares create a bigger square) instead of 2 pixels to 1 where you wont get that clean mathematical upscale.
ehhh, not a great take that also aged poorly pretty quickly. I just picked up a 42" C2 to use exclusively as a PC monitor, my first OLED ever, on sale for $900 and i couldn't be happier. my jaw hits the floor every time i look at it, and i love watching dark scenes now just to gush over those deep blacks and infinite contrast. the price is right, and 120hz will not make a difference for 95% of gamers even if you're competitive. lets be real - 95% of people aren't good enough for an extra 60-100 frames to make a difference in their skill. the brightness is a non-issue. with HDR turned on i had turn off dynamic tone mapping because at night the screen is too bright, and too harsh on the eyes.
I love my 42 inch C2 honestly. It gets plenty bright. If you have to have a higher refresh then I get it, but for media work/gaming my C2 is simply epic.
until its burnt out
@@randy89555 yeah I'm sure it will burn out quickly at less than half brightness in my dark office. Lol
Don't be mad you can't afford one.
I honestly... The only reason why you would want 144hz and higher, is because you play a lot of fps, or competitive games that these quick times will help you. Another than that.. man I thought I wanted oled and 144hz for gaming. Nope, not only it stresses my battery to the point of insanity, it also not optimized for many games .. and I love retro, so that's not for me. The tech is not there yet
i would recommend the samsung qn90b for gaming purposes as well without the drawbacks of oled you mentioned. i believe it comes in a 43".
I have it.
The biggest downside in my opinion is that it doesn't have Flicker-Free technology. So if you use it all day you may be very fatigued.
I use it a couple hours to play games and the rest of the day I use my other monitors.
@@FellTheSky I have the same one, fortunately the flicker does not bother me. HDR looks amazing, and the contrast is really good. If the lg c2 existed in my country, and on top of that was on a similar price bracket, I would go with the C2 tho.
@@Aennima The C2 is amazing, but I have a bright office set up and the QN90b is better in that scenario.
What I'm saying is that the QN90B is bright as fuck
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There's no way you actually talk in this voice.
What do you mean? Seems completely natural.
Without further ado
I have an OLED C1 foe regular viewing and I convinced my soon to be brother in law to get a 45 inch LG C1 as his gaming screen for his 3080ti rig. And he absolutely LOVES the difference from his previous 1440p monitors. When I get my PC built, I'm likely going to use my C1 as well. We both agree this is the best way to game, period.
OLED burn in will be much worse than people realise, if you are an normie playing games 2 hours a day OLED is for you, if you are an hardcore gamer that plays 14+ hours a day OLED is not for you.
I just bought the samsung Odyssey OLED. 4 days till it shows up, we'll see if you're right or not.
So was he right or not?
Super worth it, I’m not sure what you mean if he was right or not but oled is absolutely the way to go. The hdr on it is fantastic, just make sure to turn off all monitor enhancements and turn off clear type in windows.
I still hope that LG and Nvidia can resurrect 3D technology in the future. We need it back.
hes right. smaller monitors are finally starting to come out but even theyre flawed or not up to par (coatings and burn in). within a year or few there should be qd-oled glossy panels that will be resistive to burn-in in more sizes
They aren’t flawed or have any problems with burn in. They are just expensive.
What's a glossy panel?
@@stormzo6235 those are screens that you look at and it seems smooth and clear like glass. Usually tvs and phone screens. Most monitors use a soft matte coating that's supposed to reduce reflections at the cost of black levels, vibrance, and sharpness
@@dustinschulz5707 some of them do have minor flaws, and burnnin mitigation is implemented on them because it does happen over years. Still, there's nothing wrong with them. They'll just be way better soon
I think RTINGs proved that QD-OLED is more prone to burn-in than W-OLED, since LG OLED uses white pixels to give higher brightness sacrificing less the panel durability.
I wasnt able to grasp how good oled was until i got one to see for myself. If you like hdr, an oled will make sdr content look hrd. Even watching this video i know what it should really look like. It is magical, it pushes your limits of perception, vibrance and clarity to the max. It is as if the blacks are magnetic, absorbing visable light like a black hole. Its not something i can express in words
I was ruined a few years ago when I bought a lg48cx my first oled experience for my pc setup. Now I own 2 48 lc cx, 55 inch s95b, 55 inch a95k, and 65 inch c2. I will be upgrading my Samsung g9 neo super ultrawide to the oled version soon lol
65" lg cx was my introduction to OLED. Now I'm forever doomed to making poor financial decisions for the next best OLED display 😅
How do you use that many monitors? You have pc setups in multiple locations?
I must be brain dead, I watch this video twice and I still don’t understand why not to get an OLED for PC gaming.
You aren't alone
Very good input and review, eventually there will be a 4k oled 27 or 32 down the line
Eventually there will be 16k oled, just keep waiting.
@@DmitrySF It probably already exists, but only the rich can afford it ATM.
I’m sorry Oled is the only option. Also end to end latency on a 240hz Oled panel is lower then 360hz monitors
For me IPS 3440x1440p is still my sweet spot. Ive used a 120hz alienware AW3418DW for years and still has been incredible! 1440p at 240hz may be my next upgrade. 4k just aint there yet ifor me in terms of best value for the money.
That's what I have as well, with the LG 34GP83A-B. My next monitor will be a 38" ultrawide at 3840x1600, hopefully OLED but we'll see.
i said the same thing and got a gn950b to pair with my 3090ti. it’s extremely hard to ever use lower resolutions. i’ve been spoiled
Its just not worth that ammount to go from ips to OLED but to wach their own. Give it 2 years and theyll be 500$
did your monitor god forbid have a burn in?
@Malpis It did not and i even bought it manufactured refurbished. I got lucky. Still goes hard today 5 years later.
For me, sitting at a desk and being only 2 feet away from a monitor means I don't want anything over 34 inches. The next problem is resolution, frame rate, and graphic quality. I'm not buying a $2,000+ video card just to play in 4k and get 60 fps. I'd rather pay $800 and play in 1080p with 120 fps. Those aren't real world numbers and everything varies by game, but it's similar to how it works. There is a huge price to performance hit when you go up to 4k gaming and even the most expensive PCs struggle to get good frame rates with all settings turned up.
I bought it and I returned it. the monitor looked good but its definetly not worth 1100$ especially when it was sitting next to my 300$ LG IPS 144hz monitor and looked very similiar and even with 240hz it only accepts it when certain settings are enabled in the game. monitor should be priced at 600-700$ maybe less than that considering the other one at 300$ looked identical.
That's because of the coating on the display. I've seen it and couldn't imagine why they would hamper the oled colors. I knew it was gonna be bad when they announce it wouldn't be a glossy finish.
and now that there are so many 1440p OLED panels available between 27" and 34" around $600 to 750$, it is actually time to get one, geeks.
the best budget ones panels
lg c1
and the Heinsen ones with 4k 120hz
Interesting 🤔 Might have to checkout some Hisense ones.
Hisense is pretty bad for gaming. U8 is a minimum 55. Peak brightness n black levels are great but processing, motion, viewing angle r terrible.
I bought a LG C1 OLED 55” one year ago, now all other monitors looks low-specs for me!! Im using it with PS5, now buying a LG 34” Curved for my PC with VA Panel.
That would be amazing if LG makes any 32~38” OLED curved monitor :,(
The Alienware AW3423DW is still hands down the best (actual QDOled monitor).. A lot of the color fringing is overblown. Barring people that are goin to be using this for real intensive productivity and creative work... I think most people wouldn't be bothered by it.. the C2 is slightly better than the C1.. its such a negligible improvement its on that iPhone yearly release status. great vid though.. I do agree that all the newly announced Oled monitors for 2023 are garbage water
DWF is better now IMO for someone who doesn't have one yet because it's cheaper, better packaging, better QC, quiet fan. Only need the DW if you HAVE to have the extra hz and GSYNC module instead of FreeSync.
Burn in is a major concern for OLED gaming because of static items present while gaming. We have no proof that QD OLED is better at negating burn in than OLEDs. I hope it is. I want my next monitor to be QD OLED but we will see. Very few people can afford changing OLED gaming monitors whenever burn in happens.
Picked this up Friday, this monitor is awesome, blown away!
It's nice but not without it's flaws. Fan noise. Text distortion pixels. While great for gaming and media not so good for Windows and bright white screens when the fan sound kicks in.
@@unknownorigin8446 rtings preliminary results suggests QD OLED may actually be worse than WOLED for burn-in.
So basically, don't buy an OLED monitor because... they're expensive and can also be big. This did not need to be 10 minutes.
I would pay $999 for a 4K 240hz OLED 27in panel, but I already have 1440p and I don’t think the jump for OLED is worth it unless I’m upgrading for higher resolution and refresh rate. Current have an s95b in my room and an a80j in my living room, love OLED. Just waiting for a proper monitor.
If you are only talking about refresh rates and resolution, then propably it is not really worth it😅 tech is evolving, and now a days it is all about ghosting and the real latency. My asus 1440p 270hz montitor looks like poop. Old tech. It is really bad.
I'm running a 55 lg g1 oled and a 4090 and it's incredible. 4k 120 hdr COD baby over 200 fps at ultra. Loving this TV.
The tv is 120Hz so you're not getting any benefit of frame rates higher than than 120.
Actually you do get a benefit. you have less latency and less input lag with higher fps even tho your only seeing 120 hz.
@@casey22857 thanks for this. I didn't know this before but now I looked it up and it seems you're right, for competitive gaming there can be a benefit of higher fps than hz.
Just 2 weeks ago upgraded from 32'' VA to 38'' nano-IPS , yes there are less deep black levels , but in color reproduction and fast moving picture IPS are great. I was considering to get OLED for PC wich delivers best possble picture and HDR, no questions there , but there wasnt any options in size 38'' and looks like wont be at least in 2023. So gonna have to wait , to 38'' OLED matte or till micro-LED matte curved comes out.
Which one did you get?
@@Nairam10 LG 38GN950-B
I did exactly the same, from MSI Optix MAG271CQR AV Panel to LG34GN850-B with IPS. I don't play in the dark and with normal light, this monitor is fantastic.
I bought them for 600€+20€ for +3years warranty extra by Amazon.
After 1-2 years I will possibly sell that LG and I will "lose" some money, but also OLED will be cheaper and the second Gen will be better 💅
Matte is garbage.
It downgrades the picture quality especially for OLED.
eh, I've used the LG CX 48" OLED as my main display on PC for 3 years now, and its great. Just be careful and use dark mode on your browser, and have a black desktop, and don't leave content on there which has static logos. Enable Pixel Shift and the screen refresher. zero issues, and it has amazing pixel response, perfect black levels, and great HDR support. Worth every penny.
120hz 4k is good enough for me. I wonder if there's benefits to leaving your gpu refresh rate uncapped if your display is limited to 120 hz
there is benefits, in competitive games there will be less input lag i think
@@dfhiklnoqr nope that actually increases total system latency
Very little, in competitive games technically you get less input lag. But nobody should buy a 4k 120hz display for competitive gaming. There are many more benefits to limiting your framerate in pretty much any game than leaving it uncapped. I had gotten so used to variable framerates and I thought variable refresh rate smoothed everything out, but actually having completely stable frametimes feels so much better. Capped framerates = Smoothly feeling gameplay, no perceptible drops in performance that would take you out of the game, less GPU utilisations means lower noise, lower temps, lower power usage.
@@AVerySillySausage It's a 55" LG CX. It's a big screen TV. I currently play capped at 120 and that is one thing I like - the consistency. Makes it very easy to make precise movements since your computer doesn't skip or stutter at all and everything is very predictable.
Nope, if the monitor is capped at 120, thats all your going to see. You can allow your video card to pump out 450 FPS but its just going to make the video card work harder for absolutely no benefit.
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I have 2 42“ as monitors 😅 I love it! I work from this set up 3 days a week (2days im in the office) and it’s absolute heaven to work on!
for gaming i usually only use one screen except for ms flight sim and sim racing, where dual 42“ looks like real life 😅
I use a 55inch LG C1 4K 120hertz to it had a 700€ discount on it because the C2 got in the shops.
BTW i dit pay 1050€ vore it
I think that is a you problem. Price is a big deal that we keep dealing with. 1440p 120 to 165 hertz is 200 to 600. Most people aren't even gaming on 4k. Enjoy buying flagship card every generation. It's not worth the monitor if you need to pump out huge amount for gpu. Common sense has to kick in price verse quality. It's why quest 2 sells because not everyone wants to spend 1000 dollars on valve index. I would rather wait for the price to come down and fix issues. Come talk to me when 4k becomes the standard and boom a new game comes out making it hard to run on 4090. We already see that happening and games keep getting pushed out unoptimized.
Im in this boat atm. Im looking into my next 4k gaming monitor and the LG C2 seems to almost be a click away from arriving at my door. 42 inches is still quite a big display replacing my current 27 inch and I am still on the fence. This video helped me give it a little more time. Maybe a 32 inch oled from LG, with the same HDR as the C2 with extra brightness will finally make me buy
I have tried the LG C2 for a week now. I think it’s too large for ”normal” desk usage distance. It was also blurrier than I thought when using it non-scaled, but then again the pixel density per inch isn't that high even 4K on a 42-inch screen. Things look pretty sharp up close when scaled as a 1080p monitor (scaled to 300% in Windows I think), but that also doesn't give much screen area to work with.
Anyway, AI also feel a 32" is the perfect size for a 16:9 monitor on the desktop. Large but not too large. :)
@@staraffinity Thank you very much for this. Helps me quite a lot
@@meejmuas8686 Welcome! :) I must add it is quote awesome to game on, and if one sits back a bit (which you really have to on a display of this size to not look at half of it at a time) the pixel density issue naturally becomes less of a problem. You simply have get a deeper desk so the TV can be a bit further away. :)
Also not sure how much better a 4K at 32" will be. The best I've seen pixel density wise for desktop computer use is 5K at 27" - at that pixel density you can use the display non-scaled and still not really see the individual pixels when up close, but then the user interface elements become really small. Anyway...
@staraffinity After a bunch of research. I settled for a 32 inch, I currently have a 27 inch and wanted to go slightly bigger as I sometimes leaned in to get more detail in my current setup. This time, I wanted real HDR but it seems there is no choice but to go curved. I bought a Samsung Odyssey Neo G7. Has 1100 local dimming zones and roughly 1000 nits of peak brightness during specific tests. A 32 inch version of C2 wouldve been lovely as I want to stay using flat screen but it seems the only way to get real HDR, a lot of local dimming zones, 144hz refersh rate and 32 inches is to go curved VA panel. When LG brings HDR to 32 inches , flat, I will revisit LG
I bought an LG C1 55'' a year ago and love it. Literally the best monitor I ever bought.
at what distance?
@@jakeloaded1215 About 3 feet.
@@MistyKathrine and the ppi is okay for you? thats sharp like FullHD
@@jakeloaded1215 It's great! High PPI =/= better. More screen real estate and being able to read text easier are more important. Smaller PPI requires more upscalling to read text which cuts into the screen real estate and kind of eliminates the purpose of a higher resolution anyway. Before I had the 55'' C1 I was using a 27'' 1920x1080 screen so it's pretty close to the same PPI as my previous screen.
Got the C1 last year and I'm still blown away by 4k 120 hz gaming, still though you are making me want to upgrade lol.
especially now that the PS5 has VRR - such as spider-man achieving over 100fps.
C1 is glossy
Once you get an oled you can never go back to lcd. I got my first oled tv in 2021 and since then now after getting the 27gr95qe every display I use is oled. 2 TV’s, Phone, Switch, Monitor
Thinking about getting this monitor, how’s it holding up?
@@Killerwins88 I’ve loved it. No issues at all whatsoever
Connor, you always make the best intros dude!!!. I made the mistake to upgrade from a 1080p 60Hz to a 1440p HDR10 165Hz and I totally regret it. Now I need to spend all my lunch money on powerful GPUs. PuAHHHGGHHHH!!!! Gros!!! LOL
I just don't get it why there aren't more glossy monitors out there. I mean Apple is the only company who's selling glossy monitors since I can remember and people love it. From designers, video/photo editors or just "regular" people - and I'm pretty sure a lot of gamers would love it too. I'm working 5+ hours a day on a studio display which is simply beautiful (despite the 60hz) but when I turn on my gaming monitor after working on the mac it's like going back to 2008.
So please LG, Samsung or whoever:
- Full 4K resolution 27" (no wide/curved) - Yes if you're a pixel peeper or used to the Liquid retina, WQHD is NOT enough
- OLED with 300+ Nits
- 240 Hz
- Glossy Display finish
It can't be that hard?!
OLED is very bad for eye health and brain. Extreme contrast with artificial lighting is very bad for eyes and brain, this is why people complain about OLED eye strain and headaches, with displays you want a more level flat overall lighting affect when using display panels, "IPS glow" is actually a good thing for eye health and brain health, because it's easier on the eyes to adjust to when eye dilation process to your brain.
I'm still perfectly happy using my Linsar 70" UHD 4K 60Hz TV, with games locked on a smooth 60FPS like a console.
I don't play any online games as my internet is so slow, and I don't play fast FPS shooter games, so the 4K TV works fine for me.
It has a great picture imho (it's running LG software) and cheap @ $750 Australian Dollars.
I only need the 60Hz / 60FPS for nice smooth gameplay, it also allows my CPU and GPU to run very cool.
My Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16GB GPU doesn't even come close to breaking a sweat, same with my CPU too. It also uses a lot less watts too running locked 60FPS in games.
Cheers.
This is why I'm still fine with 1080p 60Hz.
lol 1080p 60hz for life here. Seriously though I think I'm finally gonna upgrade to 4K when the 5090 releases and pair it with a 4k OLED.
As someone who wants 32" not 27", and flat not curved, I'm already looking at $900 at the bottom end. The market is stupidly lacking in diversity above 27" and below 42".
I disagree, personally I think most people would be happy with something like a 42” oled. While new oled monitors are finally coming out it will be some time before they’re worth it. For the here and now I think 42” is the best bet I personally am going with the Sony Bravia XR A90k because I really don’t like the LG magic remote and the C2 Picture in Picture doesn’t seem to work for me. I believe majority of people using this will be using PS5/Series X as which max out at 120hz/FPS making the 144hz necessary not true at least for these people. As for computer gamers it takes a lot of GPU power to reach either of these levels at 4K and if you can afford a computer with the specs required you can probably stomach the price of the TVs. As for the Alienware QD Oled I saw it in person and wasn’t impressed, the blacks weren’t oled quality and from what I’ve read it’s because of the anti glare coating on it, if they make one with gloss finish I’ll check it out again. Anyway back to topic I think anyone who goes the 42” oled tv route will be happy and when they’re ready to upgrade from that there will be much more better priced oled monitor options to choose from.
id rather just save than buy 42 inch and get a tv at that point. but more than that 42 inch is goofy id rather have 32 inch tops
what should I do with more than 34-38" ultrawide as a PC monitor ?? I still have to be able to work with it and not sit in the first row like in the cinema.
I just can't believe there is no 32" options for 4K oleds. I don't want 27 or 42.
they will come once they milk people for 1k for these overpriced 1440p monitors. they will sell cause there are no other oleds in the market.
I dont get it. So you say we shouldnt buy gaming monitor but get Samsung OLED 55" TV ?
The color fringing on the AW only occurs on text; this is not usually in-game (if ever) but in Windows due to ClearFonts. There are fixes now for this. Anyone expecting $500 OLED panels any time soon is kidding themselves, lets just accept the fact that OLED is expensive BUT worth it.
A few days ago I was in an MM branch in Munich, there was a 77" OLED model 2022 for exactly €2000 + optional €100 for calibration. Why should I pay €1300 for a monitor with so many quirks and yet everyone pauses 4 hours?
No, I will not return my first purchased LG34GN850-B and I will wait...
@@mr.y1965 does not pause every 4 hours u just skipp the pixel refresh.... TV got piece of shiet ABL that makes using it as monitor annoying as fuck. I got tv and monitor and monitor on pc is better than tv in every fucking way....
What are these fixes for the monitor?
I would be highly interested in getting that specific monitor
@@noobiIII MacType
I feel like this video missed the mark entirely on what high resolution is about, it's PIXEL DENSITY! A 55 inch 4k has worse pixel density than a 27inch 1080p monitor. 27-32 inch 1440p monitors are still the sweet spot for gaming in terms of clarity and performance compromise.
Don’t do it lol been using this monitor for a month now. Absolutely insane.
Bought a C2 when it dropped to $800.
I don't have a good enough GPU to get over 120 fps yet anyway.
I understand that the title of your video is hyperbole. Still, I think most people watched 30 seconds and just got mad considering the like-to-dislike video is: " 1.5k likes:: 1.702 (1,702) dislikes" Only 46% of people (including me) liked this video and 53% disliked this video. This video would not have been so hated if you had toned down the title and the start. You still could have argued against OLED without saying "It Will RUIN YOUR LIFE." Your conclusion was more like "OLED is currently too expensive, wait 5 years and then consider making a purchase."--And for that conclusion, I liked your video because I agree, but I feel you turned most people away because, unfortunately, most people will not watch the entire video before liking/disliking it.
The S90C died after six months. I’m going with the C3. Terrible experience with the S90C, constantly crashing.
I have an 83 inch G2 I play anything that’s comfortable with a controller on sitting on my sofa with my PerListen 5.2 system. I’m beyond ruined.
This is exactly what I'm doing rn lmao catering my whole setup to a sony a95l qdoled tv I'll do 4k at 144 hz hopefully
I am building a new computer that will end up being around 5k+ So I am prepared to spend 2.5k on a 55 inch OLED.
I don't like throwing away money though... so I am worried about OLED for gaming. I plan on playing Starfield 25 hours every day for 5 years and plan on loving it, but, I won't love it so much that I want the HUD burned into my screen.
Same on Starfield bro lol
So, your point was _(and I literally just skipped and skimmed your video)_ that you ruined your life _(and possibly increasing your personal debt)_ by buying _(or getting for 'free' as an incentive)_ new "gaming monitors" to outmatch the one you had before.
I recently built a new system, very high end.. i9-13900KS (OC) - Asus ROG STRIX 4090 (OC), 96GB DDR5 5600 Ram - 1200W PSU - Lian Li Galahad II Cooler - 2x 2TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMe M.2 - Phanteks NV7 Case - 12x Lian Li SL Fans - And more.. The reason i'm telling you this is because i'm a gamer, I play competitive games like rust, overwatch, etc. I want to upgrade to a new monitor, not sure if it's worth going to 4k for fps reasons or not. But I definitely want to step up from my current Acer Predator XB272 1080 27". I want something between 27-34" That is top of the line. Such as the Alienware AW3423DW. I don't have a budget, whatever is best for my setup I will get. So my question to you is, what would you get? I play games like rust, overwatch 2, diablo 4.
The main reason not to buy one = way too dim for some people. Anything under 350 nits and i can't see much during daytime. OLED's are 100 nits full scene, and maybe 250 peak in SDR.
Anyone reading this in July 2024 onwards, this review was accurate when the pricing was what it was back then IMO. But looks like the market is finally turning in our favour now.
I picked up this monitor which is a banger for gaming and media consumption needs in June 2024 for $1,200 Aussie dollars ~ $810 USD at the time of writing this. Picked it up from one of our last brick and mortar IT warehouse stores so no delivery fee. That includes the 10% sales tax we have on everything in Australia so about $730 USD without tax.
Thanks to the review bombs at launch this is now a decent product for it's price IMO. But on top of that we get pretty good consumer protection in Australia too so the quality control issues really don't bother me (sorry, not sorry).
Can't go back to 16:9 after using curved 21:9 3440x1440 (LG 34GN850-B). It's a bit demanding on GPUs, but for productivity, it's great. So much so I'm getting a Dell 3422DWG for my backup machine.
OLED? Too expensive, and burn-in if you do a lot of desktop work. Not necessary for my line of work, although I'm wondering if they make giant OLED TVs in 21:9....
As someone who has PlayStation and is a movie buff, this video is definitely for people who want the punch of a tv in a smaller computer monitor. Not the video for me. I just want an actual side-by-side comparison of QLED vs OLED. Anyone have any advice? I want an immersive, vibrant image.
Well, on the bright side, if you were "burning through" that many OLED monitors in such a short time, you most likely had no problems with actual burn in?
I swear my oled TV already ruined me and I want a OLED Monitor so bad :(