"History in the Hood" (Lincoln Park/Council Rock) ~Youngstown, Ohio~
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
- On the east side of Youngstown, Ohio is a forgotten playland for swimming, picnics, concerts and relaxation. It's a green space that also holds some interesting history going way back into the 1700s before John Young even knew about the Mahoning valley. Take a stroll with me and let's walk thru time to discover what this area was used for by present people and most importantly the Indian Tribes that once occupied our precious valley. This was once the area known as Nea To Ka (Council Rock) where tribes would gather 3 times a year for different celebrations, in 1775 they had no idea it would be the last celebration they ever held again in this special area. So, grab your shoes and let's imagine time from the French Indian war all the way to the mid 80s!
Thanks so much for this video. I grew up a block away from Lincoln Park on Jackson St, and during the late 50s & the 60s, the park was my 2nd home. I have countless hours on Council Rock, which my friends and I used as a backstop for fast-pitch rubber ball. We played many baseball and football games in the immediately-surrounding area. I was also a frequent ice skater on the pond, which at the time was 2nd to none as an ice-skating venue in Y-town. But even as a young kid, I was led to doubt the authenticity of the Council Rock storm story. There is no documented first-hand proof. Further, I have long understood that the crack in the rock was not caused by lightning, but was rather more likely caused by the churning of the glacier that deposited it there. In the immediate vicinity, there are numerous smaller glacial erratics, including one that has a crack similar to that in the big rock. We called that one “Council Rock Junior.” It’s so sad to see this once-beautiful place-in my childhood as lush as Mill Creek Park-in its current run-down state. Still, thanks for the memories . . .
Thanks Jim. I have some fuzzy memories of going to Lincoln Park when I was little. My family is from the east side. We lived on Oak Lane and my niece lives in my grandparents house on Lansdowne before moving to the Northside in 74. I do remember vividly when the truck fell through and the bridge was closed a long time. You'd have to go all the very long way around McKelvey Lake or down through Campbell via Wilson Ave to get to the stores on McCartney Rd. I also knew someone in the 90's who lived at the end of Shehy where there's a blocked entrance to the park. People used to take stolen cars around it to strip them in the park. I live in Jacksonville FL now but I really miss home. Youngstown was beautiful and vibrant in the 70's. A nice place to grow up
Hey thanks for watching and I appreciate you sharing your memories!! To be Honest, I always felt and always will feel that Youngstown is beautiful and tough!! Proud to say it!! that being said.........Florida is niceeeeeeeeeee!!!! lol
Many wonderful memories in Youngstown
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I grew up in Youngstown, graduated Chaney in 1969 and moved away. I always enjoy your site, Youngstown never seems to have changed and even though is has been 54 years since I moved away, you can still see everything the way it was in the 1960's and earlier, nothing has changed. Keep up the good video's.
Like I always say.. no matter where you go, you’ll always be from Youngstown!!! It’ll always be home for me and I love it!! Thanks for the positive vibes and commenting!!
Thank you for sharing this part of history of Youngstown. I live next door to this park, and my children and I go down there from time to time. This park has so much potential. There are steps that leads up to Park Heights and my husband clears the pathway every year from the leaves and disburse. I contacted the City and the Park department numerous of times, and unfortunately nothing is ever done. Even to cut the grass in the summer, is always a hassle.
First off, I want to thank you for watching I appreciate it! second, YES!! This park has so much history and the scenery is on a grand level! it's a shame the city just lets it go. I'm glad people like yourselves do what you can to share, clean and remember this place as what it is.... A city treasure!
James Logan
I discovered your videos for the first time yesterday when my nostalgia for Mill Creek Park led me to search the internet. Your videos seemed safe and pleasantly apolitical. So I proceeded to indulged my nostalgia for Mill Creek Park where I spent many days in all seasons hiking. Those videos led me to this one about Lincoln Park, which I visited even more often than Mill Creek since Lincoln Park was much closer to our home on the East Side of Youngstown. The time frame is late 1950s when my family took us there as young children to ride on the swings, through the 1960s when the boys in our neighborhood would go to Lincoln Park to swim and hike. In those days one would have referred to my neighborhood and yours on the West Side of Youngstown as merely…neighborhoods.
At the very beginning of the video you question whether you could be looking at the site of the former Lincoln Park Pool. You were walking near the high traffic bearing bridge (3:30 minute in). That is where the pool was located. I am certain of this because my friends and I spent many summer afternoons there. It was a popular pool and always crowded on hot days.
I love your videos. I have not seen them all. But those which I have seen are straightforward and focus on particular areas and their histories. Your passion for nature, history, historical artifacts, the old, and the forgotten, is evident and shared by me and probably all who watch your videos.
Your genuine endeavor to be sensitive to the people and cultures who have inhabited the areas that you describe is appreciated. However, in my opinion the appellation “the Hood”, in the title of the video, is pejorative. Never-the-less, I am now a subscriber and did “like” the video.
Thank you for the work you are doing.
Hello! Thank you so much for the added info and the positive words, I highly appreciate that! This was the first time I have ever set foot inside this park (although I drive past it weekly), I wish I could go back in time and see what this park was like back in that era! remarkable green space and structures, I would say fairyland magical actually. Now, about the title... if you watch my videos in the future or some of my older ones, you'll notice I am sarcastic and try to put little references when I can (It's just me being me). growing up as a kid the term "hood" really didn't exist to me, but the west,east,south and north side I knew by those terms, so yes, they were just neighborhoods. I just want you to know I love people I love culture and I love individuals stories, so the term "hood" coming from me is not at all a negative term at all., It is in fact just a play on words for a clever and ironic/sarcastic title. again, I want to thank you for watching and hope to see your input again!
Grew up on Park Heights where street went right down into park. My backyard went right down into park. Can’t count how many times I sat on that rock and rode my bike. First bridge you featured was not the one that fell. From pictures of the past, original pool was what later became large skating rink. Under 422 bridge was second pool. When you mention building, bathrooms or something…….had many birthday parties there. Street you walked up towards council rock was great sled riding place. Where it started was called pony hill. Walking trail was once open and apart of Lincoln Park Drive.
thank you for watching and thank you for the added information!! A few people have told me about the bridge being wrong lol. I definitely hate to give out wrong info so my apologies. I can definitely see that being a great sled riding hill! wish the park was still being used to its potential!!
We went ice skating at the old pool in the 60's. Loads of free outdoor fun.
I appreciate the comment! Thanks for watching !!
Great video. At the 4:35 mark during the first part of your video, that WAS the pool. The submerged concrete slab was the swimming pool.
Thank you for watching and the good words!! definitely appreciate the info!
The first place you stopped at actually used to be the pool. People used to fish at the area you believed was the pool.
Thanks again for the added info!! I really wish I would have seen this park in its prime, just walking through it at this stage I was impressed of how magical it looked!!
That's not the bridge that collapsed. It was on the other side of the park. I grew up in the neighborhood, the park was basically my backyard. It used 5o be a beautiful place. My friends and I would spend many hours in that park growing up.
Thank you for correcting that. and for watching also! A few people have told me I was wrong about the bridge as well. I wasn't from the neighborhood so when I read the articles, I thought it was the one I said, thanks again I appreciate it!!
As kid my family had reunions at Lincoln Park in the 1960s. We had tons of fun. Thanks for the memories.
And I bet it was a seriously awesome time!! The park seems like it would have been amazing looking ... glad I could bring some good memories back! Thanks for watching....
The son of Walter was our organist at my church...he wreaked from the grease the 🍩 donuts were fried in😂
Jim-You've done it again! Great video with fascinating history...Neoculta/Council Rock. I am ashamed to admit that when living in Y-town, I never even heard of Lincoln Park or the enthralling story of Council Rock with the windstorm and lightning strike. Mr Gibbons, my old Ohio History teacher never mentioned that one. Thanks so much. Heard you guys are having some crazy Alaska-type weather- stay safe and warm.
Hey! thanks again for all the positivity! I can also say that as a kid or even teenager for that matter I never heard of that story either. It's pretty fascinating though!! yea its cold and crappy lmao.. Hopefully I can get out and do a few videos soon, I'm not a fan of the cold!
I was thinking, wouldn’t it be fun to have the town set up a little local family picnic day in the summer. Nothing big-where you could set up a little distance from each other-invite a couple of food trucks. Bring the people back outdoors! We have all been buried in our homes the last couple of years. You find all these lovely places that just need a little love.
unfortunate that the city itself rarely does that unless it's a "holiday kind of thing" but.... I think what's actually better (and keep your eyes open for local business posts on social media) is that small businesses in our area does a lot!! but I think a lot of people miss them. Thanks for watching I appriacte it!!
I was looking up how many acres Lincoln Park was and found this video and thought you’d appreciate. Its a little depressing but nostalgic.
Well, I appreciate you stopping by to check it out! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yeah lived in Campbell with the kiddos and the crew had the Best time always entered oak park and crossed the bridge funnest time ever...between Mill Creek and Lincoln we had a good time..
Thanks for the feedback!! sounds like a great time!! lots of history in our park systems!!
I always enjoy your videos. I have lived my whole life in Northeast Ohio snd always learn new information from you. Thanks.
Hey, I appreciate the positivity!! Thank you for watching!!
Council rock? Awesome glad you walked around i was curious .Ive only been to the rock itself! Great video
It seems he's under Oak street bridge. The main history was at Council Rock. The pool never took off as far as I remember. This end of that park was never really accessible from 422 before the pool. If you know this area, you know it started at Council Rock.
yes indeed!! what a great historic spot that a lot of ppl probably don't know about! thanks for watching as always!!
hey thanks for watching Al.. your absolutely correct! this whole area is really historic because of council rock itself, which is why I wanted to make this video. I don't know if you watched it through, but the last quarter I actually explain why I wanted to end with council rock itself. thanks again for watching..
@@everydayadventureswithjim i believe the .... The St. Stephen Statue is very close to Linkin Park and is also on my goSeeList soon!!! . thanks Jim .
@@dj_dinner_plates7429 ahhh yes!! the first king of Hungary!! has a cool background history to it... it's on the west side actually off Belle Vista... It's on the to do list for me as well lol..
The Pool was under 422 bridge in the beginning of your video...we used to hitch hike a ride there as kids from the Sharonline in the 60s
Thank you for watching and commenting the added information!! I wish I would have seen this park in its majestic past!! I don't think hitch hiking is a thing anymore lol, my friend and I used to as well...
The lake at the 16:17 mark which was fed by the creek was also a swimming area back in the early 50s. The concrete slab at the beginning of the video was the swimming pool which was built later after the lake began to silt.
Again, I want to thank you for watching and adding the information that you just did!! I never experienced this park as a kid but can imagine how scenic and fun it must have been!
@@everydayadventureswithjim Anytime! I grew up on the northside of town and used to drive over the bridge all the time with my Grandfather as a kid. I was always fascinated by the pool down there that you could see by looking down. Never went there, but he filled me in on a lot of the history. I used to live right near the Northside Pool. It's still the only functioning public pool in the city.
@@charliecmo Awesome memories my friend!!! for me it was borts pool growing up!
@@everydayadventureswithjim If you get a chance I would absolutely LOVE to see a video on Southside Park which was off of South Avenue. I believe there is still an abandoned pool there. When I search on Google Earth it's hard to pin point what was what, but it was similar to Lincoln Park back in the day.
Lincoln Park looks like a cool urban park when you pass it from 422, but I haven't been down since I was a kid in the 80's. What a tragedy that it still looks so awful. This place probably looks much nicer in the spring or summer though.
Hey thanks for commenting and watching! Yes, I pass over the bridge weekly a few times and always try to get a glimpse! Can't imagine how awesome it would have looked in the summer and spring back in the prime of the park!
Amazing history .. thanks !
Glad you enjoyed it and definitely thanks for watching!!
Just found your channel a few days ago and have been enjoying your videos. I love all the history about the area you talk about. I'm from the Youngstown area, my girlfriend and I hiked Mill Creek a lot this past summer. I'll have to check this park out, the story about the rock was very interesting.
Hey thanks a lot for watching and the awesome feedback! Mill Creek Park is totally awesome to hike no matter what the season, that being said I am not a fan of winter, but the park looks amazing covered with snow! Yea.... Lincoln Park was pretty amazing if you can imagine what it used to be like... almost magical with all the bridges throughout! thanks again and happy hiking!!
I caught a nice largemouth bass in that pond, and it has beaver too , also council rock got there from glaciers during the ice age .
Thanks for watching!! I can imagine the fishing would be pretty awesome in that pond, I don't know if it gets fished a lot but definitely can see some lunkers! as a matter of fact that was one of the other stories about the split in the rock, some say the glacier activity caused it. so, I guess it's all up to what you believe. Thanks again!
@@everydayadventureswithjim I know that area well, I used to live Jackson St. Almost next to that church.i have walked dry run ravine from the church to the dam and the spillway many times and have camped above the creek . Back in the early 70s it was a fairly easy walk but now the brush is so thick it is easier to walk in the creek. I believe Lincoln park was built during the WPA era , I know for sure the dam was built by the WPA .
@@robertw1081 I believe some years back there was a public hike held and they did exactly what you just said... walked through the creek!! I think in the future I am going to do that hike..
I worked at the pool handing out baskets.
Thanks for commenting!! and watching of course! What were the baskets for if I may ask??
I wanted to thank you for replying to my comments sorry I came out kind of strong will my comments but if you check Mill Creek Park also used to be very clean I have a photo somewhere 1968 or 69 we used to swim in the river down at Mill Creek Park the water was Crystal Clean back then and to the government polluted that then Linkin Park at that time was very clean we didn't have much money so sometimes we were swimming the river down at Lincoln Park and it was very clean the old woot on Blaine Avenue on the east side behind it was a natural rock formation will waterfalls come in flowing down to a pond and that pawn the water used to reach Underground through Gladstone into my cousin's yard and she will have a little Bridge Crossing the stream that used to run through her yard years ago and across from the baseball field in wlt I don't know the name of the street but there's a fork on the road between Oak Street and 9th Street where hate to say that 20 year old girl was found recently dead in the woods there's an Old Log Cabin I don't know if there's anything left but I think it was built in the 1800s and it used to be sitting right there in the woods between Oak Street and that side street before you get to who t the old radio station when I was young they told me they was built in the 1800s thank you again take care
again, thanks for watching and commenting! It was before my time, but I have seen pictures of Mill Creek Park when swimming was allowed with bath houses as well. I know exactly where you're talking about because of the old radio station! Thanks again and Happy new year!
Awesome video! I've always wondered what was down there! And I think that might be an old hockey/ice skating rink at 5:00 but I'm not sure. Also, sadly there's not a whole lot of people with Native ancestry left in Ohio. And those that do are often not decedents of the tribes that originally lived here because they were so decimated by war and disease.
There's so much potential for this park. It could be almost a mini Mill Creek Park if the city had the money to maintain it.
Hey thanks for the positivity!! this was actually my first time in the park itself, so I really didn't know it at all, like I said I really wanted to focus on the history of council rock but decided to walk completely through the park to get there. Yes!!!! completely a shame that this is not a kept-up park!! roller rink or skating rink may have been what it was at the beginning.
That was the swimming pool. The little building next to it was the utility building and there was a pavilion on the other side which were the changing areas/restrooms.
Hi I enjoyed the video I'm in north Carolina but im from youngstown north side. If you take one of. Northside take crandall ave lol
I was actually thinking of doing one on Crandall Park! lol wintertime there was a whole lot of sled riding going on!! but some history no doubt! thanks for watching!!!
Not the pool, that was a pond for ice skating, pool is under McCarty rd bridge
thanks for watching and thanks for the added info!! definitely hard to know what things were if someone never experienced this park. thanks again!!
That was my old stomper grounds! If you want history, get ahold of me.
BTW, I watched the bridge collapse.
I appreciate you watching, and I will definitely keep that in mind!
@@billmckinney1887 oh wow! That would have been scary to actually see.!
Should do a video on Poland woods.
het thanks for watching! and you are absolutely right, I should lol. It actually has a rich history (being the first municipal owned park) and the rebuilt Mauthe bridge. it's definitely somewhere i am thinking about. thanks for the comment!!
But it was in fact 1755 correct? You had the date right.
Yes!! Thanks for watching as well!
You got the wrong bridge rhat collapsed. There was a bridge by Blaine Avenue and the end of McCartney road that was collapsed by a semi hauling steel, not cars, and it was never rebuilt.
thanks for watching first of all! and funny you mention that I actually talked to someone at Walgreens, and we had that same discussion. but its people like you and him that contain the history facts that some of us are unsure of. I did think I had the right bridge until little hints of it not being the right one. as far as steel hauling, you may be right but the articles in the paper had it as a car hauler so that's why I put that in the video. hey, at least I knew a bridge collapsed lol... thanks again!!
If I'm not mistaking it was a ice skating rink
Thats what it looked like to me! Thank you for the info!!
It’s so sad how they have let this place go I was dn there not to long ago and a crack pipe on the steps grass all over grown trash everywhere
Thanks for watching!! and yes, I could imagine how splendid of a place this was in the past... but this is what happens to some of our city's treasures, and I just don't know why...
The mayor found my my little cousin in that park dead
I'm sorry for your loss and that's a terrible thing to have happen. I know a lot of people told me I was crazy for walking the park (It did have a bad rap to it) Thank you for watching and commenting and sorry again for your loss.
Dude stay on topic when you start talking about one!
LOL. first thanks for watching! second, I don't know what other channels you watch (or certain youtubers) or if you watch many of my videos. This is how I am and how I make my videos (and it works very well), so by watching my videos you are getting me and nothing fake. enjoy the trails!
I remember Linkin Park very well it used to be very beautiful and clean through the years it seem more bad times than Good Times I blame our corrupted government that CZcams people like you do not cover they worry about downtown and putting all that money downtown so they can get people to come in town to think that Youngstown is so beautiful by showing one side of the story and staying showing the other side they should have took some of that money and fixed up Linkin Park weather for people or just people that wanted to go camping or something with some security guards down there or just want to go hiking they took 30 million and fixed up downtown and couldn't put a million dollars in Lincoln Park there were two cheap to fix the damn at McKelvey lake so they lower the water so they wouldn't have to fix the damn that water runs through Linkin Park then you got yndc another corrupted organization that came out of nowhere claiming they were going to help beautify Youngstown what they did was beautified neighborhoods near Mill Creek Park or Brownlee woods and forgot about the poor people to live around Lincoln Park in my neighborhood where I live at now there ain't one person that in this town that can defend Youngstown because if anybody defends Youngstown there nothing but Liars I live across from Montgomery Plaza and that was one serious cover up there from the owner dumping trash burning wood didn't even get a ticket then pass the problem back to the government that's why the chill Can Company nothing happened with that after they practically force people of color to move from there play some very little money for their homes you seen the Roundtree Hotel downtown was nothing but corruption with that I can go on and on and people got their nerve and brag about Youngstown I lived here all my life and I'm planning to move I hope a sucker comes into Youngstown and buys my house for a lot of money I'm pretty sure where you live the grass is greener it would have been nice if they could have had maybe a horse stable down there for horseback riding training even carriages will horses that will take you all the way up to McKelvey Lake cuz that Park reaches all the way up to McKelvey Lake but I bet you if they want to do fracking the city would do it are Thomas full of corruption Council and the mayor then and now is responsible for the chill Can Company that's why the owner's partner took all that money and skipped for New Year's of 2023 where were the police at when the machine guns were going off hiding that could have been parked somewhere or looked through surveillance cameras or something and could have took the addresses it was so much machine gun shootings that most of the people ran out of bullets before 12:00 midnight too bad we can't get somebody to do a better Insight of Youngstown what's really going on and the reason why things look the way they are everybody wants to sugarcoat everything should be looking more in debt how Phil chance Junior got out of trouble over and over by the same judge and all the other corruption that's been going on
First, I want to thank you for watching and commenting. Being that I have a "public" channel I try to be neutral in my videos so not to create any controversy if I possibly can. I am amazed that Lincoln Park was not saved because I can't imagine what it looked like in its prime! I wish I could have seen it. You are definitely correct with corruption in the YO. I will always love it, but yup! lots of cover ups in its history as well. Hope you have a great New Year and thanks again!
Crime budget cuts gangs drugs is why it closed
@@paulkelly1809 I’ve heard this from a few people.
The pool was nice but it had white only & black only sections. Not politically correct nowadays.
@@paulkelly1809 oh wow really? I guess I don’t even think that way because it was never part of my history remembrance.. thanks for sharing that past. Thanks for watching !
Yep...I remember it being segregated.....
@@user-gh3ee5en3h crazy to think….
I'm white, and I swam in the Lincoln Park public pools several times in the 60s. The clientelle was predominantly black, but there was no segregation. It was a nice pool, and the crowds were usually pretty small. Most of the whites on the East Side went to Roosevelt Pool, which may have given some the impression of segregation, but there was definitely no enforced segregation at Lincoln Park Pool.
If you're from Youngstown, you know exactly why Lincoln Park closed