This is what initially led me out of adventism. Reading EGW and all her add in to scripture I began to question where does the Bible say that?… you won’t find much of it. It’s a twisting and adding to. Thank you Holy Spirit for giving me discernment and guiding me to all truth and wisdom and out of the Adventist church.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Since you dont comprehend what EGW is speaking about, she is automatically a false prophet. If you knew how to read a sentence properly, and understand that words have more than one meaning, you would not be totally lost right now.
These videos are a total waste of time. 🤪 SDA's are well aware of what Myles is showing, and understands what she means. I can believe people actually view this nonsense. If you cant show in clear language that the fourth Commandment has been done away with, these videos are not gonna get the job done in changing most SDA's, but just the weak ones who want to venture back into Babylon anyways!
I think I am going to leave adventism. My parents are worried and thinks that Satan has a hold on me. Btw im worried for them. I will learn more and is planning to confront the church. I'm pretty sure it's not going to end well. Btw, what church should I go to now? I still want to respect God through obeying his commandments and not bow down to Mary or saints. Btw I never believed in Ellen but I didn't know much about her to begin with. But I'm now terrified of the doctrine that is being taught in the church. This is a matter of life and death.
@@eleanorlpbmth5812 my dear friend the truth lye in the walk of Matthew Mark Luke and John the walk of Jesus Christ, alone with the ten commandments and not EGW , leaving SDA my be your option but the Sabbath is not because if you love God and want to serve God just remember the word remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy this word is not from EGW it's from God. Now if you Walk in the law of God like Jesus did a obey the laws like Jesus Christ did no one can draft you please read the Bible the word of God asking him for wisdom and understanding and be neutral quick to listen slow to speak and slow to act trusting in God help to lead you, you cont go wrong SDA church is not the problem they just have to put things straight and all will be fine I am not an SDA member but I keep the sabbath because God call me into the Sabbath himself not man church but God woak me up at 3:30 am with his voice saying remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, before that i was a pentecostal and love being one so if you love God let his spirit lead you, I just study at home until God direct me otherwise but now and then I go to their church just to get out of the house
@@answeringadventismthank you my husband left the SDA his whole family is in it!!! From generation to generation and none of them are even baptized with the Holy Spirit and show the gifts thereof
I always wondered, maybe, just maybe, Adam DID immediately recognize the enormity of the consequences of Eve's action. He knew Eve would die and did not want to be alone. Adam did not stop to think that perhaps God could remedy the situation somehow - Create a new Eve? Some solution for an Adam that did not sin; I do not know; I am not as smart as God ~~~
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What to do with my Gf who is 7 adventist and born into that church pretty much, by parents who are part of it. So how to talk to her so that she wont get defensive by calling me persecuter?
I actually had first hand experience with this, and by the grace of God things went well over time. At first it is impossible to not create some tension and friction. Personally, the way I spoke about the topic was making a clear distinction between what my now wife believed at the time and what the official SDA statements were. This was so she would not feel as if I were attacking her directly and instead pointing out flaws with the system and theology. As stated before, it's inevitable that she will feel challenged in some way, but it's all about doing it in very bite sized pieces over a long time. When a pastor says something, or when something is said about a specific topic point out how your opinion is different based on what the Bible says and show her, using proper hermeneutics, how the text should actually read. SDA uses the proof text method for almost all their doctrines, and honestly it's very easy to refute often by reading the previous and following verses and you won't even need to give your opinion most of the time, just let the text speak. By doing so, and not even criticizing SDA, you will point out the inconsistencies without being too direct. As she is your gf, she will naturally consider your point of view and won't just dismiss it. Pray daily for her, as the only thing that can change her heart is the Holy Spirit. I myself left Seventh-Day Adventism by the grace of God after being there my whole life, and believe me when I tell you unless a miracle happens its impossible to have the scales come off your eyes. It's a very well thought out system, it's got cult-like properties of emotional and behavioural control, and unless God pulls you out there is not way you leave. So my best advice is pray, pray, pray. God bless!
@@coachdanferreira wow..well she seems not even understand what ahe belives..she dont know bible. Some old testament things, im sure Gid can do miracles and help, God turns even muslims to Jesus..allmighty power!
@@partlysimpson5154 Yeah I believe the way the SDA organisation has so many members is that vast majority don't even read the Bible much.. They only know what they have been told and few have personal study time. Being SDA for 23 years I knew maybe 5 or 6 people that actually read the Bible regularly, and most did it with the Adventist Bible commentary alongside or with Ellen White's books beside the Bible to interpret the Bible. That is why it is such a difficult process, because most times the process starts with people actually STARTING to read the Bible, which if you aren't really interested, is quite difficult. People come up with all kinds of excuses, either they don't have time, are tired, find it boring, etc. They will find time to spent hours watching Netflix, but won't spend 30min a day reading the Bible to actually test what they are just accepting from the pastors and elders without reservations. It's very sad...
@@partlysimpson5154 I was born into SDA, 3rd generation. I was baptized at the age of 13 which is usually when they start suggesting one needs to be baptized. I did not agree with a few of the statements made during the baptismal class, but kept quiet and went along with it thinking that since my parents and family were in the church, it had to be the correct church to be in. As mentioned, they really water down everything for young people, and most of the members do not know at all how the system works. They are kept on spiritual soup. And even though I studied in SDA schools all my life, I never really got to the meat of the theology. Basically what happened with my conversion to Christianity was I read 1 Timothy 4, which God used as a bucket of ice water to wake me up to the fact I had never tested Ellen to see if she was a true prophet. One thing led to another, a few extraordinary miracles happened, I had a radical conversion after hearing the true Gospel, and here I am 5 years later, currently attending a confessional Reformed Baptist church and hoping to soon become a member. Meanwhile I have been able to witness to other family members and friends which has led to them leave SDAism and accept the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many still remain, and I pray daily that God open their eyes as He did with me.
Hey Myles! Do we have evidence of EGW being influenced by Swedenborg? His deceptively titled books would have certainly made their way into the personal libraries of unsuspecting Christians, I'm sure.
If adam was not deceived by satan, he obviously wasn't there or he would have stopped her. The woman whom thou gavest to be WITH ME, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Does WITH ME mean eve is next to adam 24/7 or does it mean a companion? and gave also unto her husband WITH HER and he did eat. Could mean adam along WITH HER (eve) did eat. But not there at the time If my wife said its safe for our children to cross the road And i see 2 boy racers side by side doing over 200kms racing Im going to prevent my children being near the road. Adam was not deceived in the initial temptation by later on put his wife above gods commandments (what would you call that)
@@SpiritualJew1 right, Paul says Adam wasn’t deceived you say he was because a bunch of gymnastics and trying to do inference. And this is the problem. No, with me isn’t used to say companion. We’ve discussed this numerous times and a Hebraist was on one time and we discussed this. This is the problem with thinking phrases can mean whatever you want them to to fit your own beliefs. And playing what about-ism doesn’t change the facts.
Myles is leading many to hell with his false teachings.Just check his debate with Pastor Barrell.Myles struggles dismally to defend some of his false doctrines.I urge you people to read your bibles prayerfully and ask God for truth not to listen to this doctrinal acrobatics.The law of God is holy and immutable.
I watched 11 minutes. Some commentaries doubt that Adam was with her during the dialog. It's pretty bizarre to place Adam there while his precious wife is being deceived. "With her" is not the same as "with her the whole time during the dialog between the serpent and Eve".
@@truthbebold4009 except the Hebrew grammar is what indicates what “with her” means. As we’ve looked at numerous times before. No, it isn’t bizarre. It gets into the doctrine of headship and how Adam should have been protecting Eve and wasn’t. Adventism has zero concept of this doctrine. But it’s always nice when Adventists (assuming you are) appeal to “other commentaries” to try and bolster their beliefs because it highlights the glaring inconsistencies in the system. This is only a valid defense when Adventists need it but not on, say, the mountain of commentators that point out the Greek text supports the first day sabbath in numerous passages. Then all of a sudden it doesn’t matter that “other commentators” say something. It doesn’t matter that other commentators say something. That doesn’t not validate Ellen White. No one here claimed no one else in all of human history claimed what she did.
Ok, but in the New covenant man is NOT espiritual protectors of woman. We are all God's priesthood. Praise God no man is over me in spiritual level or whatever.
_"Praise God no man is over me in spiritual level or whatever."_ You are a joke, and not even a good one. Actually you are a disgrace to yourself. The Word of God: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 1 Cor 11: 3- 10
Rute, please take this up with the Holy Spirit who used Paul-“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” Ephesians 5:22-24 NKJV
BTW, Rute, my new covenant wife, believes in this passage, even while she is still struggling with SDAsm that God recently extricated me from (I'm still waiting on my wife to be extricated). Here is an example of the way things work: in the last sermon my wife preached in an SDA church last year, she refused to use EGW quotes and mentioned that she is struggling with whether she should be preaching (meaning preaching in the church over men and women) at all. I see some of my influence given to me by the Holy Spirit there! We are not better because we are married Christian men. We’re simply aiming and committing to being faithful to God, who called us to headship.
Ikr it's kind of myopic & I would even say unintentionally hurtful to make such a claim when there are so many single/divorced/widowed/abandoned women who through no fault of their own do not have a man to protect them. But for God, they would be hopeless. Thank the Lord for Jesus Christ 🙌
At 09:50 is there any chance that Ellen was declaring the wise reader to spot her deceptions by exhorting them to read their Bibles and see the contradictions in her work and avoid her own deception?
"Someone might argue, 'If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?' Why not say-as some slanderously claim that we say-'Let us do evil that good may result'? Their condemnation is just!" ~ Romans 3 : 7-8
@@RudyBusted Lazy SDA you can't read Genesis for yourself?! To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” 20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
They aren't trinitarian and they preach a different gospel... You might want to check the playlist section on this channel and look at the two playlists labeled "the gospel of Adventism" and "the jesus of Adventism" to get what I am saying. God bless!
@@coachdanferreira So strange . SDA's are trinitarian where are you getting this miss information? The Seventh-day Adventist Church believes in the doctrine of the Trinity, the three-in-one Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We believe that all three members of the Godhead are fully God, that they have different functions but are united in purpose.
@@coachdanferreira how qw know if they are not saved? If their hearts really seek God, what about that? Jesus even give visions to Muslims, so what u think that SDA have wrong gospel?
@@saitoren4061 it's pretty simple. Just read EGW. She says Jesus was elevated to position of Son, as well as He was not the God Almighty, had a fallen human nature (which means He could have sinned), as well as another 30 things I could list here. That is fundamentally anti-trinitarian, and is actually considered tri-theism. The "Heavenly Trio" as she calls is not one in essence or being, but only in mission, a bit like a pantheon of Gods who is considered to be one in mission. Also, the Holy Spirit has a physical body, and the Father also has a physical body, which goes against orthodox Trinitarianism that the Christian church has held to since the beginning.
To believe that Adam was not deceived is to believe that he didn't sin at all because every sin is a deception according to Romans 7:11 "FOR SIN, taking occasion by the commandment, DECEIVED ME, and by it slew me." Leviticus 6:2 "IF A SOUL SIN, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, OR HATH DECEIVED HIS NEIGHBOUR;" So every sin is a deception We have verses im the Bible whihc say that Adam sinned.... Job 31:33 "If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:" e.t.c. The Bible may sound contradictory but it's not. When the Bible says that Adam was not deceived it referring to who was directly deceived by the serpent.
Using your logic, EVERY SIN also KILLS YOU: "For sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, DECEIVED ME and through it KILLED ME." ~ Romans 7 : 11 Mounce Also, it doesn't say "every sin." You added that.
@@kimartist Yes every sin kills us. You are dead spiritually (stinking morally) as long as you are persistently committing a known sin. The Bible says if you are living in sinful pleasures you are dead even when you are physically alive. 1 Timothy 5:6 "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."
Listen HealthMaggots even innocent little babies are subject to the death penalty for sin, not because they were "committing a known sin," but because all of mankind is in a fallen sinful state since the Garden of Eden. "Just as SIN ENTERED the WORLD THROUGH ONE MAN, and DEATH THROUGH SIN, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned- To be sure, SIN was IN the WORLD BEFORE THE LAW WAS GIVEN, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. Nevertheless, DEATH REIGNED from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even OVER THOSE WHO DID NOT SIN by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." ~ Romans 5 : 12ff
@@healthmissions1283I appreciate your words. Adam definitely was deceived because scripture teaches us that sin deceives. So if he sinned there was a deception involved. He just wasn't deceived in the same manner as Eve, but he was still deceived in some manner. Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened *through the deceitfulness of sin.* Adam was not deceived as was Eve, but he was influenced by her to do as she had done-eat and risk the consequences, as no harm, she said, had come to her. Adam yielded to the temptations of his wife. 4LtMs, Ms 32, 1885, par. 4 Unfortunately critics will not provide the full context of everything. But the real ones will check to see if everything is true.
This is what initially led me out of adventism. Reading EGW and all her add in to scripture I began to question where does the Bible say that?… you won’t find much of it. It’s a twisting and adding to. Thank you Holy Spirit for giving me discernment and guiding me to all truth and wisdom and out of the Adventist church.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The problem is you considered her writings as add in to scripture when we they shouldn't be.
@@saitoren4061 It doesn't matter how you fix it around her writings; she is a false prophet.
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Ok.
That’s exactly what happened to me. Thanks be to God!
I'm so grateful for this channel! Thank you Myles. God bless you brother 🙏🏼
“They were deceived” nope 👎🏼 not THEY… Adam was not deceived. Read the Bible for yourself Adventists please!! .
Since you dont comprehend what EGW is speaking about, she is automatically a false prophet.
If you knew how to read a sentence properly, and understand that words have more than one meaning, you would not be totally lost right now.
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As if you are able to comprehend, but yes, it is not given unto the spiritual blind to understand.
@@Vincent-gc3cuEllen is a false prophet period.
@@Vincent-gc3cu oh we don’t read her writings in in context perhaps!!! 😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️
@@Vincent-gc3cuAre you serious, family? Serious?
Ellen made up a lot of stuff. Just have to keep praying and showing them the real gospel.
These videos are a total waste of time. 🤪
SDA's are well aware of what Myles is showing, and understands what she means.
I can believe people actually view this nonsense.
If you cant show in clear language that the fourth Commandment has been done away with, these videos are not gonna get the job done in changing most SDA's, but just the weak ones who want to venture back into Babylon anyways!
Myles continues to bury Adventism! Absolutely nailed it with this one! 💯
I think I am going to leave adventism. My parents are worried and thinks that Satan has a hold on me. Btw im worried for them. I will learn more and is planning to confront the church. I'm pretty sure it's not going to end well. Btw, what church should I go to now? I still want to respect God through obeying his commandments and not bow down to Mary or saints. Btw I never believed in Ellen but I didn't know much about her to begin with. But I'm now terrified of the doctrine that is being taught in the church. This is a matter of life and death.
@@eleanorlpbmth5812 answeringadventism.com/how-do-i-find-a-sound-local-church-after-leaving-adventism/
PTL 🙌
@@answeringadventism Thank you :)
@@eleanorlpbmth5812 my dear friend the truth lye in the walk of Matthew Mark Luke and John the walk of Jesus Christ, alone with the ten commandments and not EGW , leaving SDA my be your option but the Sabbath is not because if you love God and want to serve God just remember the word remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy this word is not from EGW it's from God. Now if you Walk in the law of God like Jesus did a obey the laws like Jesus Christ did no one can draft you please read the Bible the word of God asking him for wisdom and understanding and be neutral quick to listen slow to speak and slow to act trusting in God help to lead you, you cont go wrong SDA church is not the problem they just have to put things straight and all will be fine I am not an SDA member but I keep the sabbath because God call me into the Sabbath himself not man church but God woak me up at 3:30 am with his voice saying remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, before that i was a pentecostal and love being one so if you love God let his spirit lead you, I just study at home until God direct me otherwise but now and then I go to their church just to get out of the house
@@answeringadventismthank you my husband left the SDA his whole family is in it!!! From generation to generation and none of them are even baptized with the Holy Spirit and show the gifts thereof
Truly one of your best Myles, thank you.
Says plain as day Adam was not deceived only eve.
GREAT video!
well done!
I always wondered, maybe, just maybe, Adam DID immediately recognize the enormity of the consequences of Eve's action. He knew Eve would die and did not want to be alone. Adam did not stop to think that perhaps God could remedy the situation somehow - Create a new Eve? Some solution for an Adam that did not sin; I do not know; I am not as smart as God ~~~
Dude what is Ty even talking about. People truly should take note that he does not have a Bible open and neither do they. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
I sent you an email (as mentioned in the members only live stream)
I just want to make sure you saw it because it’s time pertinent to Monday. If you saw it, take your time to respond but before Monday, thanks.
What to do with my Gf who is 7 adventist and born into that church pretty much, by parents who are part of it. So how to talk to her so that she wont get defensive by calling me persecuter?
I actually had first hand experience with this, and by the grace of God things went well over time. At first it is impossible to not create some tension and friction. Personally, the way I spoke about the topic was making a clear distinction between what my now wife believed at the time and what the official SDA statements were. This was so she would not feel as if I were attacking her directly and instead pointing out flaws with the system and theology. As stated before, it's inevitable that she will feel challenged in some way, but it's all about doing it in very bite sized pieces over a long time. When a pastor says something, or when something is said about a specific topic point out how your opinion is different based on what the Bible says and show her, using proper hermeneutics, how the text should actually read. SDA uses the proof text method for almost all their doctrines, and honestly it's very easy to refute often by reading the previous and following verses and you won't even need to give your opinion most of the time, just let the text speak. By doing so, and not even criticizing SDA, you will point out the inconsistencies without being too direct. As she is your gf, she will naturally consider your point of view and won't just dismiss it. Pray daily for her, as the only thing that can change her heart is the Holy Spirit. I myself left Seventh-Day Adventism by the grace of God after being there my whole life, and believe me when I tell you unless a miracle happens its impossible to have the scales come off your eyes. It's a very well thought out system, it's got cult-like properties of emotional and behavioural control, and unless God pulls you out there is not way you leave. So my best advice is pray, pray, pray. God bless!
@@coachdanferreira wow..well she seems not even understand what ahe belives..she dont know bible. Some old testament things, im sure Gid can do miracles and help, God turns even muslims to Jesus..allmighty power!
@@partlysimpson5154 Yeah I believe the way the SDA organisation has so many members is that vast majority don't even read the Bible much.. They only know what they have been told and few have personal study time. Being SDA for 23 years I knew maybe 5 or 6 people that actually read the Bible regularly, and most did it with the Adventist Bible commentary alongside or with Ellen White's books beside the Bible to interpret the Bible. That is why it is such a difficult process, because most times the process starts with people actually STARTING to read the Bible, which if you aren't really interested, is quite difficult. People come up with all kinds of excuses, either they don't have time, are tired, find it boring, etc. They will find time to spent hours watching Netflix, but won't spend 30min a day reading the Bible to actually test what they are just accepting from the pastors and elders without reservations. It's very sad...
@@coachdanferreira so how where u babtized in SDA
@@partlysimpson5154 I was born into SDA, 3rd generation. I was baptized at the age of 13 which is usually when they start suggesting one needs to be baptized. I did not agree with a few of the statements made during the baptismal class, but kept quiet and went along with it thinking that since my parents and family were in the church, it had to be the correct church to be in. As mentioned, they really water down everything for young people, and most of the members do not know at all how the system works. They are kept on spiritual soup. And even though I studied in SDA schools all my life, I never really got to the meat of the theology. Basically what happened with my conversion to Christianity was I read 1 Timothy 4, which God used as a bucket of ice water to wake me up to the fact I had never tested Ellen to see if she was a true prophet. One thing led to another, a few extraordinary miracles happened, I had a radical conversion after hearing the true Gospel, and here I am 5 years later, currently attending a confessional Reformed Baptist church and hoping to soon become a member. Meanwhile I have been able to witness to other family members and friends which has led to them leave SDAism and accept the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many still remain, and I pray daily that God open their eyes as He did with me.
Hey Myles! Do we have evidence of EGW being influenced by Swedenborg? His deceptively titled books would have certainly made their way into the personal libraries of unsuspecting Christians, I'm sure.
Taking gibberish with using Gods name and in the name of Christianity.
If adam was not deceived by satan, he obviously wasn't there or he would have stopped her.
The woman whom thou gavest to be WITH ME, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Does WITH ME mean eve is next to adam 24/7 or does it mean a companion?
and gave also unto her husband WITH HER and he did eat.
Could mean adam along WITH HER (eve) did eat.
But not there at the time
If my wife said its safe for our children to cross the road
And i see 2 boy racers side by side doing over 200kms racing
Im going to prevent my children being near the road.
Adam was not deceived in the initial temptation by later on put his wife above gods commandments (what would you call that)
@@SpiritualJew1 right, Paul says Adam wasn’t deceived you say he was because a bunch of gymnastics and trying to do inference. And this is the problem.
No, with me isn’t used to say companion. We’ve discussed this numerous times and a Hebraist was on one time and we discussed this. This is the problem with thinking phrases can mean whatever you want them to to fit your own beliefs. And playing what about-ism doesn’t change the facts.
very dangerous teachingnof sda.
It's why women shouldn't rule over men
Myles is leading many to hell with his false teachings.Just check his debate with Pastor Barrell.Myles struggles dismally to defend some of his false doctrines.I urge you people to read your bibles prayerfully and ask God for truth not to listen to this doctrinal acrobatics.The law of God is holy and immutable.
I watched 11 minutes. Some commentaries doubt that Adam was with her during the dialog. It's pretty bizarre to place Adam there while his precious wife is being deceived. "With her" is not the same as "with her the whole time during the dialog between the serpent and Eve".
@@truthbebold4009 except the Hebrew grammar is what indicates what “with her” means. As we’ve looked at numerous times before.
No, it isn’t bizarre. It gets into the doctrine of headship and how Adam should have been protecting Eve and wasn’t. Adventism has zero concept of this doctrine.
But it’s always nice when Adventists (assuming you are) appeal to “other commentaries” to try and bolster their beliefs because it highlights the glaring inconsistencies in the system. This is only a valid defense when Adventists need it but not on, say, the mountain of commentators that point out the Greek text supports the first day sabbath in numerous passages. Then all of a sudden it doesn’t matter that “other commentators” say something.
It doesn’t matter that other commentators say something. That doesn’t not validate Ellen White. No one here claimed no one else in all of human history claimed what she did.
Ok, but in the New covenant man is NOT espiritual protectors of woman. We are all God's priesthood. Praise God no man is over me in spiritual level or whatever.
_"Praise God no man is over me in spiritual level or whatever."_
You are a joke, and not even a good one. Actually you are a disgrace to yourself.
The Word of God:
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 1 Cor 11: 3- 10
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Rute, please take this up with the Holy Spirit who used Paul-“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.”
Ephesians 5:22-24 NKJV
BTW, Rute, my new covenant wife, believes in this passage, even while she is still struggling with SDAsm that God recently extricated me from (I'm still waiting on my wife to be extricated).
Here is an example of the way things work: in the last sermon my wife preached in an SDA church last year, she refused to use EGW quotes and mentioned that she is struggling with whether she should be preaching (meaning preaching in the church over men and women) at all. I see some of my influence given to me by the Holy Spirit there! We are not better because we are married Christian men. We’re simply aiming and committing to being faithful to God, who called us to headship.
Ikr it's kind of myopic & I would even say unintentionally hurtful to make such a claim when there are so many single/divorced/widowed/abandoned women who through no fault of their own do not have a man to protect them. But for God, they would be hopeless. Thank the Lord for Jesus Christ 🙌
At 09:50 is there any chance that Ellen was declaring the wise reader to spot her deceptions by exhorting them to read their Bibles and see the contradictions in her work and avoid her own deception?
"Someone might argue, 'If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?' Why not say-as some slanderously claim that we say-'Let us do evil that good may result'? Their condemnation is just!"
~ Romans 3 : 7-8
Satan deceived Eve and Eve deceived Adam I guess. In the end both suffered the consequences of being deceived.
@@RudyBusted except Paul explicitly stating that Adam wasn’t deceived, I guess.
@@answeringadventism But was he or wasnt he deceived eventually?
@@RudyBusted "And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
~ 1 Timothy 2 : 14
@@kimartist so how did Adam became a sinner?
@@RudyBusted Lazy SDA you can't read Genesis for yourself?!
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
I'd not worry too much about the SDA denomination. The topic of E.G. White is a 'question mark' but their theology is pretty sound in my opinion.
They aren't trinitarian and they preach a different gospel... You might want to check the playlist section on this channel and look at the two playlists labeled "the gospel of Adventism" and "the jesus of Adventism" to get what I am saying. God bless!
@@coachdanferreira
SDAs are trinitarians. What do you mean they are not?
@@coachdanferreira So strange . SDA's are trinitarian where are you getting this miss information?
The Seventh-day Adventist Church believes in the doctrine of the Trinity, the three-in-one Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We believe that all three members of the Godhead are fully God, that they have different functions but are united in purpose.
@@coachdanferreira how qw know if they are not saved? If their hearts really seek God, what about that? Jesus even give visions to Muslims, so what u think that SDA have wrong gospel?
@@saitoren4061 it's pretty simple. Just read EGW. She says Jesus was elevated to position of Son, as well as He was not the God Almighty, had a fallen human nature (which means He could have sinned), as well as another 30 things I could list here. That is fundamentally anti-trinitarian, and is actually considered tri-theism. The "Heavenly Trio" as she calls is not one in essence or being, but only in mission, a bit like a pantheon of Gods who is considered to be one in mission. Also, the Holy Spirit has a physical body, and the Father also has a physical body, which goes against orthodox Trinitarianism that the Christian church has held to since the beginning.
To believe that Adam was not deceived is to believe that he didn't sin at all because every sin is a deception according to Romans 7:11 "FOR SIN, taking occasion by the commandment, DECEIVED ME, and by it slew me."
Leviticus 6:2 "IF A SOUL SIN, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, OR HATH DECEIVED HIS NEIGHBOUR;" So every sin is a deception
We have verses im the Bible whihc say that Adam sinned....
Job 31:33 "If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:" e.t.c.
The Bible may sound contradictory but it's not. When the Bible says that Adam was not deceived it referring to who was directly deceived by the serpent.
Using your logic, EVERY SIN also KILLS YOU:
"For sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, DECEIVED ME and through it KILLED ME."
~ Romans 7 : 11 Mounce
Also, it doesn't say "every sin." You added that.
@@kimartist Yes every sin kills us. You are dead spiritually (stinking morally) as long as you are persistently committing a known sin.
The Bible says if you are living in sinful pleasures you are dead even when you are physically alive.
1 Timothy 5:6 "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."
Listen HealthMaggots even innocent little babies are subject to the death penalty for sin, not because they were "committing a known sin," but because all of mankind is in a fallen sinful state since the Garden of Eden.
"Just as SIN ENTERED the WORLD THROUGH ONE MAN, and DEATH THROUGH SIN, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned- To be sure, SIN was IN the WORLD BEFORE THE LAW WAS GIVEN, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. Nevertheless, DEATH REIGNED from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even OVER THOSE WHO DID NOT SIN by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come."
~ Romans 5 : 12ff
@@healthmissions1283I appreciate your words. Adam definitely was deceived because scripture teaches us that sin deceives. So if he sinned there was a deception involved. He just wasn't deceived in the same manner as Eve, but he was still deceived in some manner.
Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened *through the deceitfulness of sin.*
Adam was not deceived as was Eve, but he was influenced by her to do as she had done-eat and risk the consequences, as no harm, she said, had come to her. Adam yielded to the temptations of his wife. 4LtMs, Ms 32, 1885, par. 4
Unfortunately critics will not provide the full context of everything. But the real ones will check to see if everything is true.
@@everyreasonforjesus4376 Thank you brother ❤️
What a load of sexist bs nonsense forget this rubbish