My take on why Battlefield 5 failed
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 08. 2024
- Battlefield 5 has officially received the last content update and all focus is now on Battlefield 6. In this video take a look back at the life of Battlefield 5, trying to put my finger on why the game is considered by many to be a failure. From the initial teaser trailer to the most recent Elite skin, this video looks at the whole story.
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Iâm so glad dice suffered for this, there cocky dismissive attitude backfiring is incredibly satisfying
EA*. Most of the time Dice are the ones that stand with the player base pov's. EA are the ones that are the "leads" and direct Dice in a certain way. Remember Dice works for EA not the otherway around.
Lastly this isn't to say Dice never makes mistakes. But I have to give benefit of the doubt that MOST of the time the decisions come down the river from EA, most idea's never go up the river from Dice to EA. Welcome to corporate America.
Hopefully it was humbling to the point that their next Battlefield is incredible and actually listens to the fans. Because if this next BF flops I feel like that's the end of BF as we know it.
Dalton Combs it will be
EA has a history of milking a good IP before running it into the ground and abandoning it. Bioware and Visceral Games just to name a couple. DICE will be no exception.
@@Killa162 No, it's not all EA. Not everything has to do with the publisher. People have to accept that the people who created the games they loved are gone. Replaced by cotton counters who are professional cock suckers. Dice is not some oppressed entity. Dice isn't going to magically disappear if they had a failed game. They're just going to change the setting and keep up with the pandering and PC bs. When the developers leave the studio they're going to be replaced by someone who corporate feels is necessary. Look at Corporate EA, look at DICE. They're in Sweden. They're most likely going to be replaced by someone who doesn't deserve the job for the sake of being inclusive.
Go back to BF4 guys. Lots of people there, and DLC maps are being revisited by players.
I tried playing it and after playing battlefield 1 and V the last couple of years it feels extremely clunky and dated.i can barely play it!
@@stephenurso9267 at least you tried :)
No stay at Bf5 and donât leave us behind đ
Iâd hope so. Iâm redownloading it.
Literally just bought it for PC lol (got it for PS4 but sold that)
A japanese woman figting side by side with the germans in a paratrooper operation against norway.
But the british are lucky today, because Tom frickin Cruise , the almighty tethan of the church of scientology, is on their side!
Just a normal day in Fortnitefield
They should honestly just get rid of elites in Battlefield. Battlefield is the type of game where youâre just another soldier. Not some stand out Hollywood character.
@@lejenddairy so true !
Agree with you all the way.
You forgot to mention, shes a ninja too
Or the German chick wearing a 50's style Russian gas mask with a 1977 production date. Battlefield V class ll the way.
"Don't like it, don't buy it" - famous last words
J G
When this game came put and I heard how broken it was I said âIâm not going to buy it until they fix it.â
Itâs still broken so Iâll never scoop it out of the bargain hin
I heard that and was like...well...you haven't given me any reasons to buy it so thanks for the advice and then I bought it off a g2a sale just to screw them a little bit more
BF3 BF5 sales were at the same price
bought BF3
no regrets
I love the close quarters maps, easy to get loads of kills and unlock the weapons and stuff.
Is it still popular? I not got access to a PC anymore.
Imagine Breakthrough on a D-Day map, or on the battle of Stalingrad... shame.
Breakthrough is a Clusterf*ck as is Operations in BF1
Itâs sad, really sad
how about iwo jima and devestation ? how would you expect d-day or stalingrad to be so much different to these?
GSicKz Stalingrad would work like this:
German forces will capture the first and second trench lines. After this they will try to break through the second main line of defense which is the outer part of the city. Finally they will push on to take the middle of the city, winning the game
D-day would look like this:700 tickets on the first sector to storm the beachhead and get to the sea wall. Once they reach the sea wall they will breach it and capture the rally point. After this they go into the bunkers and clear them out, making spawning on them for the Germans impossible. Lastly they capture German HQ. then it can proceed like a bf1 operation and move to a new map, preferably the town of Caretan, and they capture that.
@@KennedyA53 Stalingrad could've just been another Tsaritsyn since Tsaritsyn took place on Stalingrad lol
I hope we learned NOT to preorder.
There's been so many reasons on why not to preorder, but idiots will do it anyway
I happened to be one of those idiots because I love the ww2 history so I thought this game would kinda be like bf1 where they made it very historical, but when it finally came out they sacrifice history for appearing the social justice warriors who donât even play the game
Just A Person
I preordered it and enjoyed it. I currently have 500 hours but I think I enjoyed it due to always having a squad to play with. Surely not the best battlefield but I enjoyed it.
Jeffrey Muu, yeah, I think i did not enjoy it yet did for the most part of actually being able to snipe, but I did not when Iâm trying to push up to an objective and everyone is trying to play like it COD and just trying to just get kills and not push the objective on breakthrough
I learned my lesson years ago when unreal Tournament 3 was new. Never pre ordered a game since.
Well said. Battlefield 5 was a failure. The Battlefield franchise has lost a ton of luster. I only learned one thing from BF5: never preorder
Also RIP to all people who bought that Deluxe edition for more money. It was completely useless and waste of money.
Never pre-order, unless you don't care about the value for your money, because you are some rich mofo. Always wait for gameplay videos and reviews, buy 1-2 weeks later if it doesn't suck ass.
When they said the unseen and unplayed WW2, I stupidly thought we were getting the battle of Kursk. Instead we got a Scandinavian teenage girl and her mother singlehandedly destroying the nazi atomic programme, a huge two fingers to the Norwegian commandos who made that raid...but they were all white males and that's problematic.
I knew it would be awful the moment I saw Trevor Noah
That TreV(Five) Noah joke probably went over really well with the 5 and under crowd
The thing is Noah is a really prolific virtue signaller so since DICE were pushing politics into BFV, he was probably ideal in their minds. I didn't see the Noah launch as I'm not as interested in gaming as I used to be but if I did then Trevor Noah would've set off alarm bells. I played the beta on BFV and never considered buying it.
@Dylan Drummond I for some reason died laughing when he said that
Born dead since the first trailer.
Diceâs miscarriage
true ,bro.
Breach
@@Max-fy4rc yea nice try.
@@Max-fy4rc yeah right, cry some more
True
Just wish they would have made it more like bf1 where they kept it accurate to history and also had a perfect blend of known and lesser known battles. I also wish operations were better, I was super exited but they turned out to be half of bf1 operations, I did also like the bf1 premium, you like ~16 extra maps, the game cost $60 if you get premium you get $120 dollars worth of game for $100, that two games for 1 and 2/3rds because the premium cost $40
Premium divides the community and should not exist. There is no reason those 16 extra maps couldn't be in a base game.
@@dm1i yeah, luckily I got the premium in a sale, but the DLC maps are almost extinct from the playlists (while there're dozens of full servers still online, official and custom), not worth full price :/
But I agree with the battles. In fact I would be okay with lesser known in the campaign, but they should have build the Operations around the popular ones...
Premium isnât needed bfv brought lots of maps after launch so ill prefer the free model.
@@dm1i Premium does guarantee content delivery and timeliness of said delivery though. BF1 received about 10 more maps over it's cycle in much more predictable fashion that BF5 did. Yes, it divides the community, but microtransactions mean that a game is only alive for as long as it is profitable. On one side, you pay money to guarantee content. On the other you have to pay time and money to "do your part" to make sure the game stays alive. Over time they can squeeze more money out of you through their live service model than they can the paid DLC model. GTA Online is the biggest and worst example of them doing just that.
If we want to be on the side of, they should just put it in the base game, I agree. But that would likely mean that any post release content would be character cosmetics (worthless garbage) or actual guns/modes (which is worse than paying for maps, imo). Every game should be able to stand on its own as a base game. The DLC should expand the experience, not be a mandatory part of "making it a finished product". I think we'll agree on that at least.
wish they had added a Normandy war story or maybe maps from the Italian campaign
Guide to make a great WW2 game (take notes DICE):
Step 1. Bring fps nerds and history nerds together
Step 2. Lock out of the building the marketing and transaction team
Step 3. Profit
Guess what approach DICE took with bfv
They fired all the Marketing Team of BF1 xD
They turned it into a WW2 Game with Transgender Women Screaming every Few Seconds and WW2 Inaccuracies!
Wouldn't be surprised if the got Anita sarkeesian in for a meeting to meet their inclusion quota
@@Jackmorvin come on I used to complain about this but multiplayer games aren't always historically accurate If you want a historically accurate game play post scriptum or hell let loose because console shooters aren't gonna be historically accurate
@@footfinger8195 Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 1943, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 1. All historically accurate. Battlefield games have always been that to give the players the ultimate experience of being in the World Wars etc. No reason why Battlefield 5 was not.
I reinstalled bf5 last week just to check out the final update, what a waste of time.
I tried to enjoy the new planes, but then my plane just fell to the ground and I played BF4 and 1 again were the planes are actually fun to use (altough in bf1 a bit to casual) and actually help your team
Sad to hear ... I still like it tbh
Same here. I played for 2 weeks to test all final new things and then uninstalled for the last time.
Yesterday i tried Battlefield 2 multiplayer! Its still alive!đ
I saw it on ur chnnl
You should do more old game exploring man! Love it
I tried bf3 on ps3 still online đđ
project reality is still alive too
If you are interested to try the speciel forces expansion, join lost soldier discord. They have servers and people who would love to play
I think Battlefield 5 have two great things, the movement system and the building system, I hope to see that in the future of Battlefield
The good news, they're all coming back to Battlefield 4. :)
Bad News: So are all the hackers.
Tanner Robinson mad cause bad
@@tannerrobinson5110 that's why you play on custom servers, where people actually moderate it
They got to the edge of the Uncanny Valley and were like...." I wonder what's at the bottom... "
Still playing BFV most days, still enjoying it
A good way to have implemented women into the game would have been to get rid of the Sweden campaign, which seem so fantastical and instead replaced it with a fleshed out, gritty tale of a woman who was a French resistance fighter in 1940, at the height of German reign in France. This wouldâve given a real sense of âhey look, this is a really believable tale of the heroism of resistance fighters facing one of the most horrific regimes the world has ever seen, and beating them in more ways than oneâ.
The fact that Swedish maps came out at release instead of the D-Day landings or the Eastern Front is ridiculous, as they completely skipped over two of the largest conflicts the world has ever seen, and THEN they didnât even release D-Day OR the Eastern front makes the devs seem completely clueless to what the community actually wants. They couldâve also released Kokoda, pitting the Japanese against the Australians in extremely close quarter fighting, with mortars and artillery falling everywhere, creating a sense of absolute chaos which would definitely provide some epic âonly in Battlefieldâ moments. The same goes for Stalingrad, which would have the same CQC element but with tanks and aircraft as well. Donât even get me STARTED on what they couldâve done with the Battle Of Kursk, I mean; 64 or 100 players, tons of tanks, aircraft and artillery (I mean actual artillery pieces that you could control) along with infantry on a large, relatively flat map with no cover could have been ridiculous.
The gun customisation could have also been similar to BF1, where you get the cooler stuff thru crates (similar to alpha packs in R6S) that you get after performing well in battle and only get mainly iron sights, muzzle brakes and suppressors along with bayonets on some guns, meaning that the skill to use each weapon would be a lot higher than just MMG camping in one spot all game. The MG42 in the first reveal trailer looks absolutely epic (even tho itâs not historically accurate) and I just felt like a BF1 system of skins would have been a lot better than what they have in BFV. I think the reason why it was like this is because of how massive Fortnite got, where you would pay for different skins that have no impact on how you do in-game, but instead only allow you to look cool.
This is just my opinion and I wrote this at 2:30 in the morning, but feel free to tell me if Iâm wrong in any way :)
Was it Sweden? Thought it was Norway.
It's Norway
A apology would be nice. Like a official one, instead of leaving it to some poor community manager leaving a reply on a social media post... That was the last drop of respect I had for this company gone
Why Battlefield 5 âfailedâ: the game was not an enjoyable playing experience for tens of thousands of players. 1. Dicking around with TTK. 2. Social aspect was and still is broken: limiting squads to 4 is stupid; you cannot join on friends; cannot switch sides,etc. 3. Team balancing is non existent, often leading to total ruin for 1 side. 4. Network lag and server locations: why does the game allow someone with a 400ping to stay in the server? How difficult is this to fix? Seems pretty easy... combined, these 4 items are what truly ruined the game for most people.
But these problems beside the squad joining existed in bf3 and 4 as well. What made ppl play those games but not 5. My only guess is its just the same but repackaged and ppl got tired of it, I did too but i stopped buying them after bf4.
Would argue about 400 ping. What if the only server with a certain game mode/map is not in my region?
@@warmike how can you play at 400 ping?
@@someonespotatohmm9513 bf 4 and 1 had team balancing, too much in fact on bf1. I never had network issues on either unless someone in the server had outrageously high ping.
@@brianahern8147 BF4 doesn't have teambalancing, its a server plugin admins have to install, and it only balances numbers. And didn't you play it at launch? the networking was terible.
I probaply should say i stoped playing 6 months/1year after launch, played again recently but not for long. Bf5 networking now is much better then 4 was when i played it, but still not great.
They lost me with the first trailer
I didnât liked the first trailer too, but I still enjoy the game... I wish that they wouldnât have done the ttk debacle
Reinventing the wheel is a bad idea, If it works...stick with it FFS.
I wish it was as simple as "live service model=bad" "premium model=good" I would've shelled out an extra $40 if it meant they'd make another 3/4/even 1 that I didn't really like but I at least recognize and appreciate the quality.
And got rid of the silly cosmetic stuff
The moment Trevor Noah was announced as the host i knew this game was doomed.
Remember when dice teased the eastern front and then never added it lol.đ
"Don't like it, don't buy it."
Orders received.
When they announced that they will stop updating Battlefield 5 ive stopped playing, Didnt bother to see or play the new and Last update.
Note to self: if i see a reveal trailer of a war game that shows a Woman with prosthestic using a cricket bat and all of the troops Looking like vikings is a No go.
This game had pontential, but what we got was Disappointment.
I'll just go back to playing battlefield 1.
I think i loved bf4 more rather than bf5 .
What you guys think?
I liked the small player count of firestorm , I love having quiet battles that you really have to be stealthy and listen to the environment
Leadership doesn't care about the community. The community managers are lacking in their abilities to engage with the community. The excuse "We won't share anything unless it's 100 percent in place" is horseshit. A bunch of the devs that cared about the game left. Pushing stupid cosmetics for money was another failure. Changing the TTK. Dice and EA need to apologize to the community.
Pat : âDonât like it? Donât buy itâ
Me : âSay no more famâ
Honestly im not excited for the next bf game
mohamed rebbah yep, I have zero faith in dice
Still?
keep doing you my friend I love your calmness and the good work with A smudge of professionality
Imagine every Soldier that died in BF1 looking at this sight of BF5 20 years later
Havenât you made this video like 20 times already?
Honestly
Now it seems like he just trashes this game to get views and not to post what he wants to post lol
Yup
@@deniseubaldini7008 but when the game came out he said nothing lol
I've been playing cod again, something I thought I would never do again after years of only playing bf games. The whole situation with bf5 really pissed me off. I thought it might get better like the last three titles, but it never really did. I may have a look at bf6 but I'm not holding my breath, especially with EA involved.
Spotting in bf5 Is so annoying. I be spotted from the second I spawn and suddenly thereâs a huge yellow box on me that can be seen through walls and takes forever to unspot... and donât get me started on flares
Yellow box? Seen through walls? WTF are you talking about? BFV has less spotting than its predecessors...you donât even play the game do you...
Genuinely interested in seeing if Dice and EA learn from this disaster or if they double down of the poor choices
How do you know they will put the resources in the next battlefield?
Some feature were really nice and some felt gimmicky. Change is good, change just to say you have changed is not.
I like that tanks have limited ammo, Shit Buckets can't zoom around the map the entire round wiping out entire squads then going on their marry way. (They can still do this even with limited ammo, but get a solid squad that communicates effectively and theyll be easy points).
Building things. I liked building things, but it wasn't rewarding to have em up. Never felt like me putting up a wall of sandbags was seen as beneficial, and 90% of the time I would get frustrated having to constantly vault over them. Plus, friendly tanks would just plow right through them anyway, seconds after you constructed them. Maybe if building was kept to reinforcing destroyed buildings it would be alright, but as I see it, feeble wood planks don't really make for an effective or fun mechanic. Maybe if the points earned from building things like ammo depots were much higher, and were much harder to destroy, I'd spend precious seconds building them. But for now, thats somekne else's job haha.
I like 3D spotting, controversial I know. But for those of us who play casually, it's not much fun to spot somebody, run after them, but have them dissappear off the map a couple seconds later forcing us to clear an entire building they've already left. In BFV I became very frustrated with the spotting system. Dropping a yellow area where the enemy was, instead of just spotting them. Some features in BFV shouldve only been in competitive play. I realize that may be harder to implement in a game, but if ypu can create an enture map wih brand new mechanics, you can make it so a yellow area appears around where you spot. Personally, I'd pick BF1 over any other battlefield game. It feels like a game you can just sit down and enjoy, hop into any vehicle and you could do alright in it. Dont get me wrong, the kills you get when flying a helicopter in BF4 and 3 feels amazing because it's so hard to be effective in those vehicles. But being able to overwhelm a level 140 player whos been camping in a tank most of the match, is better. I hate firing one missile at a tank in BF4, and not being able to damage them anymore because they activate( .... Uhh... Forgot the name of it, area defense?) And either drive away to safety or instantly find me with heat sensor and blast me to bits
3d spotting must come back for less camping
The first ten seconds of the reveal trailer says it all.
I was hoping this game would be BF1 with better gunplay and more vehicles. They could have mixed in BF4 and BF1 with all the content from WW2. This could have been an amazing game.
Unless BF2021 is a masterpiece. Canât wait for people to say âbFv wAs bEtTeRâ âBfV dID iT bEtTeRâ
Happens every damn time.
Yeah, BFV was a mess. But, didnât people act like this when BF3/BF4/BF1 launched?
The biggest problem with BFV was DICEâs Management incompetence. Instead of improving the game, they decided to mess with everyone.
I agree, in my opinion itâs not a bad game over all, thatâs why i still play and support it ... battlefield 5 isnât dead đ
I guess you didn't see the people on bf3 release they where amazed by the gameplay and the graphics in bf4 they were hyped but bf4 had sime bugs in the beginning but they fixed it and now it's amazing, bf1 everyone liked it ... don't compare bf5 to other bfs
I think Battlefield should keep a live service. If Dice released premium in 2021 the game would be a bigger failure than bfv because that's not how games work these days. And the tides of war model works it's just Dice never used it to their advantage and the content wasn't good. I think they should give bf6 a tides of war model but learn from their mistakes and fix it. And if they add elites in bf6 they should make them faction locked.
Great video. A well structured, fair, and articulate evaluation of the game đ
DICE and wahmen
Oh and did I forget,
"Don't like it, don't buy it"
The game doesnât show enemies on the map when they shoot and No 3D spotting is my biggest problem
Yea visibility is an issue to on maps
Fantastic video as ever Art! I personally liked attrition, and pray that I've seen the back of the Dorrito's! I feel like attrition was probably less of an issue for more casual/ less good players like myself - we burn through ammo less, get into fewer encounters, play slower and take our time more etc but I get why people hated it. Think you nailed it on why the game failed though, I just hope they learn from it!!
It failed because itâs a poorly designed, buggy, unfinished game. Post launch Dice didnât seem to know how to fix it or they just didnât care to.
for me, as the scenery gets more detailed snipers become harder to see and i often get killed by a pixel 1 mile away, this just removes the fun a lot. its for me why their best game was bf2142, bigger squads who worked as a team, barely any lonewolfs. plus to get health & rrevives you needed medics, for ammo you needed support, so you always wanted those people near. recon also had the amazing lambert to let them play CQ effectively. you could go on a server and in a few mins find squads all working together and playing objectives. plus a decent commander organising the attacks with huge titans was epic in scale.
9:04 - 10:02
Okay. Let me first say that I'm a fan of your channel, I watch your content regularly and I always look forward to your discussion type videos such as this one.
I also must say that I've not played BFV at all beside the open beta, so I haven't experienced all the frustrating things about the game.
But I have to strongly disagree with your comments on team play and the "casual fps gamer" stance there. Ultimately, Battlefield is a _team play_ oriented game. Now, I totally get what you're saying by just wanting to sit down after work and just have fun and play some games, and I don't blame you at all for wanting Battlefield to be that game. But that's my point.
Battlefield wasn't originally like that. Battlefield 2 was really that last Battlefield that was developed by DICE before EA totally owned them, and Battlefield 3 was the first game that really specifically was made to compete with COD, after the Bad Company games failed at that task. Really, you can look this up, BF3 was _made_ to take down COD. And it even kinda worked. Tons and tons of people were drawn to this franchise with BF3, and I don't blame DICE at all for at least trying to get the franchise back to it's root after being so far away from it for so long.
Problems is that BFV is just a giant mess of a Frankenstein's monster. So many things have been ingrained into the DNA of this franchise, that forcing teamplay into this hectic arcade-y gameplay style just isn't gonna work to try and lose this COD mentality towards gameplay.
Now again, I must say that I haven't played BFV for really a number of reasons, but appreciate at least the thought of trying to get some kind of team play going. And also, I must admit that I haven't even played BF2. I just didn't know about this franchise when BF2 was going, and now that game is pretty much dead. But I'd really like to see a "true Battlefield 2 successor", not some market researched focus tested Call of Duty wanna be garbage.
Whoa, that comment got a little out of hand. Anyway, thanks for reading my little rant xD
I only noticed this yesterday, but if you go into assignments screen and in the back ground thereâs a visual of a enigma machine. Little time passes and the view of the enigma machine changes to a different perspective and you can see a date. 09/22, I wonder if this is the date for launch of next battlefield game? I cannot imagine why else they would put those digits in view? Or maybe it means nothing
i liked to lack of 3d spotting but only when TAA was disabled because this version of TAA is one of the worst i've seen. Its on par with the unreal engine one. That TAA was extremely blurry and grainy and when looking at longer ranges its seemed like the enemy soldier fused with whatever was near him so you couldn't see him at all. No 3d spotting is good only when the visibility i great (no extreme blur, super dark areas,...) Attrition never bothered me at all but i can see why it bothered some people. For BF6 or whatever it will be called, attrition only for tanks and planes to give infantry a break and stop some tankers to camp. Rearm stations only at the base HQ and the closest flag from your HQ. That might be good.
Airfields weren't present at all ( only 1 or 2 maps but that was a flag not you HQ).
BF5's UI is horrible, needs so many clicks to do one thing, needs ages to quit (but that was already the same with bf1), too much clutter when in game (was much better in bf3 and bf4, the UI was mostly to the 2 bottom sides),...
For me the way the game looked at the reveal trailer (but without the wacky customization) seemed way better than what we got.
I actually enjoyed some of the ingame. Moments that other battlefield games donât do aswell. The overall feel of a game towards it end. When all the bombing and grenades have left craters. And you and your squad are pinned. Guns hot and melting the enemy team
BF4 and BF1 deliver on that atmosphere wayy better
@@ry_an. bf1 does but bf4 because itâs an old game doesnât do it aswell as it used too. Maps in battlefield 5 like pacific storm deliver better in my opinion
The thing is they could of put women in the game realistically... the USSR used women snipers and troops... YET they donât even put the USSR in the game AT ALL! Itâs ridiculous.
I mean, there were female resistance fighters, so that elite's background at least isn't so off :/
aMiyafuji thatâs true bro I just have so much love for battlefield and this last game just felt like a complete punch in the gut for the hardcore fans . Now that being said I definitely can appreciate how good the actual movements of your character and the way the gun play was shooting patterns etc.
We need to build a wall and make Battlefield Great again
This is my take and it goes into the foundations of what Aka-Art looks at in this great video.
What I see now as the primary cause of the problems we face with Battlefield - the model of working on and releasing games, as independent works, is obsolete and overdue for change.
That change is to move from creating and releasing independent Battlefield games to creating, continuously improving, and maintaining a Platform - on which all Battlefield games are run.
Players no longer purchase one Battlefield title. They purchase access to the Platform. On that Platform each Battlefield title is a different era and all are running the latest engine, the latest UI design, the latest server infrastructure, the latest professional eSports infrastructure, the latest community competition ladders (which is the eSports software configured for non-pro competition ladders).
The Platform's integrated technologies become the main Battlefield IP and all titles become content, all using that same underlying technology.
Titles become curated content, selected to be a part of a Portfolio of always-up-to-date games. Players pay for a model that suits them: monthly, yearly subscription or in-game purchases aka Fortnight or Warzone.
The platform would be matured in a way that an independent game release could not.
Modding could be incorporated as an integral part of the business model because Mods now add to the richness of the platform instead of extending the life of an obsolete game that no longer makes money.
The platform would be designed to support Mods from the ground up with excellent APIs and an evolving well designed but small set of tools. Mods could initially be classed as experimental but awards and sponsorship given to the best as they mature towards becoming their own game type. Hosted on the platform in a category that fits with the platform.
Community server infrastructure would grow and mature to support very sophisticated administration. Game types and modes would become configuration options rather than being baked into the game itself, giving excellent flexibility for communities to shape their own experience - as was done in the past from BF1942 to BF3 and BF4. Configuration sets created by Dice could also be available for standard vanilla experiences.
Battlefield "the next game" becomes Battlefield "the universe".
The hiatus of multi-year, buggy, reinvented, inconsistent, unsatisfactory, feature missing games would be gone. Replaced with a dynamic, ever-fresh, mature, stable, consistent, sophisticated theme-park of Battlefield titles of the game types, modes and eras we want to experience.
There would be something for everyone. A large part being player managed in their respective communities yet not fragmenting the overall Battlefield experience. Maintaining cohesion using well designed UI and UX. Evolving a design that supports the sophistication yet being clear and easy to use. The platform is designed as an integrated system of game titles, game types and modes.
The Battlefield game is dead, long live the Battlefield universe.
Excellent video. You hit the nail on the head multiple times. I have hope the next battlefield game will be something special but, time will tell. Keep up the great work.
Main reason V failed was the total lack of proper and working anti-cheat, and it's a fact. No server balance? I can live with it. TTK changes? I can live with it. Seen Misaki's army at Rotterdam or Arras? I can live with it. Have a clown with aimbot and radar cheat, in 7 out of 10 servers, killing me across maps, almost every day since day 1, and ea/dice doing nothing? No thanks. 1200h was enough. Uninstalled it back in April, and never looked back again. Especially now without support. And be ready: Battlefield 6, will be just the same situation.
I completely disagree on your point about forced squad play. That has been a core element of the game since bf2, and why the series was better than cod or the other fps's. Dumbing down the game for the casuals is the wrong thing to do.
That said, the way the implemented team play where they punished not doing it instead of rewarding doing it, was the wrong approach, it just piled on to the sensation that ea/dice were scolding us for something.
I would love to see you in the DICE dev-team :-)
Iâve been playing BF games for like 15 years, but I skipped this one. The marketing and trailers, and launch was just such a disgusting disaster.
Thanks AKA! Analysis very much appreciated! Hope DICE is taking notes ... not sure at this point!
This could be an epic game ;/ Alle we needed was "Saving private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers" inspiration with classic battles.
I don't think premium would have given us meaningful content. I think the game would've been like Hardline. Most people don't buy premium as most didn't even buy the game. When DLC comes out people play it for two weeks and leave the game again.
The worst thing they did with Battlefield is call it Battlefield. It's basically Bad Company 2 style arcade gameplay which was ifferent to the previous Battlefield games. Bad Company was the arcadey version of the Battelfield series...it wasn't actually meat to be a Battlefield game. It was their attempt at competing with COD on the arcadey run and gun style gameplay. Sadly Battlefield 3 carried on with that Bad Company style and that was it. Battlefield 2 was the last proper Battlefield game tbh. After that it's just Bad Company style game using the Battlefiled monicker. Thats why so many original Battlefield players moaned so much about making it a bit less chatoic and arcadey and what they meant by going back to it's roots.... and they didn't mean like Bad Company. Sadly Dice/EA had the easiest job with the biggest possible resources at their disposal and Fecked it up from start to finish. It annoys me when people talk like BF3 and BF4 etc... were classic battelfield games...no they weren't .. Thats only because most peoples introduction to the series started with the Bad company games so thats the type of fast arcadey action they expected in BF games from then on.
devs who made refractor bf games are long time gone. it never get gameplay depth again. now its graphics and scripted destruction only
They swindled the main player base on money due to the fact that they charged us for getting The De Luxe Edition and we got nothing of what they promised. WhereÂŽs the fun in that? Well they laughed all the way to the bank.
They never put USSR in a WW 2 game, huge mistake. Norway instead of USSR. Theres no sence in that.
No Hard Core, CÂŽmon now itÂŽs a Battlefield game. That makes no sence either.
No Rush. Rush is Battlefield. Conquest, Rush and Team Death Match is what makes a Battlefield game great.
Grind was a very popular game mode, why not have it all the time?! That makes no sence.
Renting servers wasnÂŽt even in the game. that makes no sence.
Nerfing the AT-mines.What is the meaning of being an support if I canÂŽt take out a tank with whatÂŽs in my storage capacity? Handing out ammo? And not being able to refill my hand grenades not even from an ammo crate is just ridiculous. Shame on DICE.
Altering the TTK. A very heavy sigh! Rolling my eyes. Go back to BF3 & 4 and see how quick you kill and die in that game.
And the long loading time for getting in and out of a match makes it not appealing.
Not able to switch sides in a game, meaning I canÂŽt play with my friends.
4 man squads instead of 5 man. Hello!
All the time consuming animations for getting in and out of vehicles and not being able to choose what side I want to get out on. It is annoying to say at least. The animations are nicely done, so no take on that.
Time to spawn. Why do I have to wait longer to spawn after IÂŽve been meleed compared with being shot? That makes no sence. A death is a death.
There are so many wrongs that could have been avoided so easily. But they had to invent the wheel again. Well let me tell you that square wheels doesnÂŽt run smoothly.
And this is just what came on top of my list why they lost so big on the Battlefield.
NO,I ainÂŽt gonna pre order the next BF. IÂŽve been on the Battlefield since Bad Company and I always loved DICE and I was truly happy for them going big and cashing in on their awesome games. But when it comes to Battlefield 5, I feel betrayed.
I play bf3 all the time. It's still great . I love to have choices on the battlefield . Everything was just so solid.
Well done video. As BF fans we can only hope DICE has learned a valuable lesson with BFV. I'm cautiously optimistic that with the additional development time given to the next Battlefield game and the fact that DICE won't be working on another project like Battlefront at the same time, that DICE can get it right this time. DICE has proven that they can create fantastic games in the past. The thing that scares me is that most of those developers have left DICE and the current management team in place brought us BFV. It's make or break time for the franchise.
I think that to fix the cosmetic issue is to either make the elite skins good and realistic or to just sell weapon camos instead
Our squad at the Daily Rage Quit are Battlefield fans (since 1942). BFV, which we played a lot, was one of the biggest disappointments. Your video is spot on and we agree to everything you are saying. Everything that went wrong eventually pulled us away from the game, but we have high hopes for a potential remastered 3/4 and grand release of BF6 the community needs. Cheers!
The next BF, if it's any good, will be BF1-esque, ie : casuality at it's finest, and no depth in gunplay and vehicule gameplay that made the BF3/BF4 quality and replayability.
I donât know if anyone else wants this back but I REALLY want team specific weapons, like say the next battlefield is set in modern times in Iraq Marines use stuff like m4âs, at4âs, M40a3âs etc. and terrorists use weapons like akâs, rpgâs and Dragonovs, I just really donât like how in games like bf5 you see British troops running around with type 100âs and shit or in bf4 thereâs Americans running around with fully decked out ak74uâs
BF2 had that
As far as I'm concerned, bf5 is like The Last Of Us Part 2, it doesn't exist.
You know what would be better than body dragging
Being able to cancel a revive
It failed because it sucked and we were all fooled. Why making yet another 15min video to bitch about it?! Let's move on and wish dice best of luck for bf6
dice has alot to make up for..
@@prozoomy3588 indeed. I'm one of the idiot who paid (or was stolen) 70£ for the pré ordered edition. A total joke.
The lack of custom servers really baffle me. So many of the problems concerning gameplay decisions made by DICE could and would be fixed by allowing a loyal playerbase to spend their time and money to keep the game alive.
Probably the best "end of bfv" video EVER made! Really good job Akađđđ
for me it was one thing and one thing only- player visability.
3d sporring might be too much but its better than not having any idea on who is where + not being able to others in a lot of areas.
BF1 was great. we all enjoyed playing with old weapons, we played that game for 2 years and it was time for change of mood. We needed something like WW3. but they built same old crapy guns game again. at the end of the day its just a game. people need new stuff. I think that is the big reason it failed.
All Iâm saying is that I should be able to auto heal to max in the new game
First of all great video đ itâs still a lot of wasted potential and sad it ended that early... I still like the game and support it, what are your plans for the meantime till battlefield 6 will come ?
The reason it sucks mainly comes down to wanting a bigger market. Thatâs it. They wanted to expand and dumb down BF for more money. Infantry focus, chopped up maps, constant TTK changes, focus on cosmetics and the live service model taken from Fortnight. It wasnât battlefield, it was EAâs attempt at COD
Every time I reinstall this game and attempt to play it the progression system is broken and the "Could not fetch your report" bug is happening at the end of matches. This has happened the last 3 times I've installed it. It's insane their systems break and go down as often as they do.
Once the game ends Iâm stuck on the respawn screen and have to restart
Dice=Doing it carefully everytime I THINK NOT BROTHER PLAYERS
What really sucks to me is the fact that we didnt have iconic battles like dday and pearl harbor etc
The tech just wasnât there :( still canât believe this game was so fucking bad in comparison to past titles, so sad
The biggest killer for me by far is the rampant hacking that goes unchecked. Devs seem either unable or unwilling to do anything about it...
excellent video and some great points made. We have all been frustrated with BF5 and i think it was the right decision to pull the plug considering how badly the game has been managed since the reveal.
instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, the dev team should have looked at what modes and elements made previous titles popular, instead of making a list here, i'll just summarise and state that unless DICE stick to their initial vision and stop deviating from it in order to pander to the Wokoharam brigade from Soymalia or because there were power plays with office politics resulting in us gamers feeling like we have been shafted with a pineapple sideways.
a lot of players have gone back to previous titles and i have to say, BF4 and B1 have had some great community servers set back up.
Let's not forget a WW2 game without the Eastern front? Surely that's a big downside before you even talk about the game.
I personally donât care about historical accuracy as long as the game plays well, for example I shouldnât be having problems whenever I attempt to slide or climb over an object
Thanks for this video, but is it possible to make another video that highlights some of the good aspects of BFV that were not in previous BF titles and would be beneficial to the next title?
BF is dear to our hearts and it's sad to see this negative feedback from the community (Which is valid), but it's not all bad. BFV definitely had its downs; it also had ups.
I'm trying to look at the glass half full and I'm sure many of the community do as well đđđŸ
Itâs a mixed bag in my opinion, I honestly believe the character play and mechanics apart from animations are the best we ever seen. For me personally the micro transactions allways ruin it, especially for those of us that remember different. Some of the maps a large, but that wouldnât have been a problem if we could find parked tanks and other modes of transport like they used to. At end of day all advancements come with change and downsides. Itâs important to remember how great past games were, but itâs equally as important not to get stuck there. Change can be scary, but doesnât make it a bad thing. Hopefully they learnt some lesson and so have we. Battlefield forever â€ïž
The decision to not include ANY of the iconic battles of WWII just baffles me. I would say (most) people have in their mind what they expect/want whilst others are happy to explore lesser known moments of the war. I can remember talking about how epic the Normandy landings would be in a new BF game.......the possibilities........whilst not a deal breaker it was a shame IMO. Bundle in mostly rehashed BF1 guns, exclude certain factions, mix in the absolute dumpster fire that was the marketing campaign and BF5 was DOA! Game reduced to ÂŁ35 after 14 days, yikes!
I wish i played bf3 when it dropped
Am 18 so i was pretty young when it came out
At least i experienced bf4 thanks to onecheasymofo
Well said! BFV was created with financial gain as a priority, that was obvious from the beginning. Now I get financial goals and how investments work and that goals have to be met. But the sheer arrogance this team has and had judging by the comments in the prologue to the game and when it was live... This game would be the best we've ever experienced, every FPS player would wish mouth-watering that they were at home playing Battlefield V, the battles would portray and touch every aspect of what 'we' would feel World War 2 to be like because of the amazing scenery and locations these designers came up with. What an absolute joke. It's what EA wanted, demanded for the designers would be enriched beyond their believes. This is the future of every single business that has to deal and listen to the big players out there. How do we, not the little companies surrounding us, no how do we get the most profit with at least effort as possible. There were enough of ideas that suited the wishes of the community, EA wouldn't give green light because it would significantly down their prospects on the long term since they would need more designers that would cost them a 'fortune'. And also, some possible ideas/features would really change the shape of the game so that the initial Battlefield V would become a different Battlefield V. So the money got passed to another project, which is an honest move in my opinion. Now just hope they can deliver us a great follow-up on Battlefield 3 and 4, since that's most probably the next environment.
I hated support and recon in bf1. The thing that made bf4 great was the fact that you can get c4 on both those classes, now it's locked to the assault class that should've been engineer. Even the repair tool is locked to support and the limped charge is shit now against tanks.