"THIS IS WHY OUR CUMMINS X15 FAILED" | Real Life Trucking - Episode
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My boss from my younger days working at IH truck dealership pounded in my head that you never walk away from nuts and bolts unfinished, that being torqued, wired or pinned make sure it's done before leaving I've taught that to my grandsons with one being a master tech at a GM dealership. I'd definitely be calling the dealership where you got the truck they should stand behind there word. Best of Luck guys and stay safe.👍🇺🇸🙏
While I'm sad that you are going through this, it was totally cool how Martin figured the problem out. :)
there was a series of campaigns to replace the pumps for the very reason you're explaining. Cummins had too many very expensive failures and were legislated to change all the pumps. they were done in batches based on serial number of engine. At least that's what they told us up here in Canada.
I believe there aren’t many MECHANICS anymore. There are techs that are just
parts changers @ best. Pls chock rear tires
while under it.
Only the strong and resilient survive in trucking. You guys will overcome this setback without a doubt. Appreciate the fact that you're sharing it with us. Shows people that trucking isn't as easy as they think.
trucking easy as hell bruh
Gee willickers trucking is easy sir!
It's the shop that hire POS technicians and over charge us for everything unless you can watch them doing the work they need a video of the technician doing his or her job to make sure they do it right 👍 sorry that this happened to you and you are compensated for your trouble.
Glad that Martin was able to find the cause of the failure. Hope that the Cummins dealer accepts the responsibility. Enjoyed the video. Hope things get better for you.😊😊😊😊
Best trucking videos on CZcams. Sorry for the screwup, you were a lot calmer than I would have been.
That's even worse that the inframe was done at a dealership😞. I got a remanufactured motor from Cummins in March of 2020 when I blew mine, cost me 45k just for the remanufactured motor. Hugs and 🙏 for you guys. This type of failure is a gut punch no one wants to experience😢
That piece that you pulled out of the oil pan would have put me in the hospital with a failure 😮
When the going gets tough the tough get going. Started owner operator in 1979. I’ve had it all happen. Hang in there. Don’t ever quit. I’m still out here you will be too. Keep on Truck’in.
Dang, I’m sorry to see that !
Good job with diagnosing the failure. Every right to be pissed .
They must have skipped the 90 degree final torque turn.
I'm sorry that y'all are dealing with this issue. I'm glad you were able to find the problem. And I hope you're able to resolve it and recover from the losses asap.
Thank you both and your team for all you do to make the videos and haul the freight.
Safe travels everyone. 🙂😎
P.s.
I hope you can go after those responsible for your lost time, lost wages, etc.
Watching you try to pull the truck up on the wood blocks was making me scream Jacks ... Jacks.
And jack stands, too! Hate to see anything happen,
Rod cap will get more loose as bearing eats its self up, that was the knock.
Martin u are one good mechanic u know ur motors you and Alice are ok be safe
Sorry you folks are dealing with this I always hate to see small business owners struggle. But I do believe you have this. I'm definitely cheering for you.
Get a mechanic(certified) to inspect the engine and verify you diagnosis, that the rebuild
was done improperly. Ask cummins legal dept for a claim form. Then submit your
claim to their legal dept and send a letter of compliant to the president of cummins, the dealer, and the rebuilder. Then if cummins will not pay. Take them to small claims court. You will win the cost of rebuilding again or cummins by accept your claim and rebuild the engine again.
I would definitely hire Martin as my technician! His skills are pretty impressive! By the way, you may need to make a trip back to the store. Don’t think that is enough beer in the Ford!
With all due respect, Martin isn't a 'Technician', Martin is a mechanic. There is a huge difference. A 'technician' probably did the engine rebuild. Great job Martin!!!
@@Kalamabbfan, Martin is fixing to show what a technician is supposed to do!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It's quite concerning. All Cummins dealerships nationwide that are accredited for such services should address and rectify the issue without hesitation. It's imperative for the industry to prioritize reputable and skilled service providers over those that don't adhere to the highest standards. I sincerely hope you can seek appropriate redress and have the repairs compensated.
You are dreaming.
@@ronaldrussell5481 you must be one of those POS technicians that doesn't take pride in your profession.
Wow! Sending some happy thoughts. You guys can make it.
Man I certainly hope, since it was rebuilt at a Cummins shop, there's warranty. You certainly have video proof of faulty labor. Contact your Cummins dealer, ask to speak with the regional representative. Ask for him to come to you, show him everything, including the video and Cummins should pick up the tab.
I had an issue with my then 2012 Cummins pumping oil into the DPF system, causing multiple regens, which led to check engine lights. Turned out, Cummins had an issue with valve seats leaking. Had to buy a new head but Cummins did reimburse 90% after talking with the regional representative.
Good luck with this. You may also want to remind the Cummins representative about the following you have on CZcams. It may just light a fire under his ass to do the right thing. 😊
Do not threaten just simply video it and post it.. Let the chips fall where they may. But never throw such crap the fan may blow it back at you🙄
Jesus that's so unfortunate glad y'all were able to get it figured out
will be PRAYING for a good out come for yall
Martin- Thanks for reminding me I need to get beer today. Save the manuals. JM
That really sucks. I hate to hear that. Me and my son was watching your video yesterday and I said it sounded like it was in the bottom end. I know that’s hard to predict through video but I’ve been around this business a long time working on trucks so sad gonna cost a lot of money because of an incompetent technician. I really enjoy your channel. I know things were going really well for you guys. Seems like Ceva is slowing down. I hope things will get on the incline for you guys. Best of luck to you. Also I like your truck I’ve got a 2006 king ranch just like it Martin has good taste.
Hi Martin, analysis is Mike and Sherrill from Phoenix Arizona. Just wanted to take a minute and say we’re sorry about your engine. However, tell Martin I really appreciate his knowledge and him showing us what the problems were with the engine. These are the kinds of things that I enjoy as well as everything else. Thank you again sorry to hear about the engine, and if there’s anything we can do to help, please let us know.
I've been driving a semi for 17 years. My company bought me a new 2021 Volvo VNL760 with a 12.8 liter Volvo engine. It pull just as hard as a 15 liter Cummins but run much smoother. It has 192,000 now without any engine of def problems. I will never ask for another Cummins engine.
You should contact an attorney and see if there are any options. Having everything documented on video is certainly beneficial for a claim.
I take back my first comment! When I saw the way you were trying to get your truck up on the blocks of wood, I was wondering! Keep on trucking!
Sorry for your misfortune with the bearing situation. Hoping you can get the Cummins dealer who did the shoddy work to take responsibility for it. New to your channel and enjoy it alot. Good luck !!
Well dang! It's certainly a pain in the butt to take ALL that stuff off. I'd say buy you a used engine and rent a forklift or something and swap it out. Build your other engine new for a backup. We all know the shops see dollar signs with this kind of job! Im excited to see your plans! Nice video
Super cool seeing someone actually dissecting a motor like that I can’t wait to see what happens from here
Being a truck owner can get expensive. I hope you can get Tiny fixed and on the road again. Hope you can make the money again, then maybe you can build yourself a mechanic garage so you can just run the truck inside to work on. Best wishes to all. ❤😊
We may never know the full situation, but FYI, buddy worked at a shop and for 8 hours a day he ran engines on a dyno, his job was to have a good working engine and make it blow up, total stress test, most engines that he took apart that blew would have loose rod bolts, not from someone not tightening the bolts, but from the bolts stretching under extreme conditions, these engines should never see those extreme punishment, best of luck guys
Hey Martin & Alice hope this makes you feel better 2022 HX x15 565 Cummins crank put a big hole in the side of block !!
Hi Alice and Martin sorry to see that tiny dancer has been rebuilt poorly now you’s are left stranded with other peoples incompetence and such a great job Martin in diagnosing the problem so thoughts are with you all good luck for the future regards tim in queensland australia
That KW whooper is a work horse. Thank you for sharing
3:44 horse was like yeah right not enough HP, watch that hood guy…
Excellent video
I’m sorry this happened. Martin will get it taken care of. Be safe guys.
Wow those couldn’t have been torqued. Explained the whole problem. Was hoping I was wrong on it. It’s worse then I thought. Good luck with it.
Been there before, Good luck with your repairs. Form the video seems like your knowledge of the process gives you a leg up on the situation.
This is why caterpillar is the only way to go , Nuff said !!!!
After hearing Michael mention the loose bolts in Katie's last vlog I was half-hoping he was exaggerating a touch, but holy sh#t....
🤯🤯🤯
Hi guys another great video. I had the same thing spun a bearing on no4 I rebuilt it ( worst mistake) then sold it to cover the rebuild and bought a new truck ( best thing I done). All the best
What year and how many miles were on your engine?
I'm a new cummins owner.
Thanks!
Good job Martin figuring it out , very unfortunate situation I’d be pretty upset as well
My dad has 2 dodge ram 3500 both have the 5.9 cummins and one of them had a cracked head and that big x15 made the same exact sound and we no longer like the cummins diesel engine's and there only getting worse with time
Martin your very good at what you do I know you'd probably like to call the dealer where you bought from but I'm sure they would deny what was done it's all apart of trucking but you can't ever depend on someone else's workmanship you all are positive people when it comes to trucking I know that everything that's going on right now you all will come back stronger
I’m truly sorry guys!! What awful luck!! I really do feel for you!! Hope you can get compensation for this!! Wishing you guys all the best 🙏
Glad you was able to find the problem but sad that someone’s sloppy job will cost you guys money 🙏👍🏽
Ouch, I would hope cummins will come to the party! I hope the best for you.
If those bolts had been left loose at assembly chances are that the cap would have been spit off and would laying along the road somewhere. You need to see most, or all of the other rod bearings and some mains to figure out what may have happened.
its like he said zipped in with an impact but not torqued
That is an effing bummer..... good luck with things going forward.
Your maintenance/repair skills experience are impressive. At one time companies welcomed the feed back from employee's / customers /engineering before the bean counters took over. The company that rebuilt the engine quality control should be interested in your feed back . No negative trolls allowed have a most wonderful day
Caterpillar 1 United Kingdom, in 1932, was acquired by Caterpillar in 1998. Since the 1970s,Volvo 2 Sweden engines ,Cascadia 3 Mercedes engine European ,DAF 4Trucks is a Dutch truck manufacturing company and a division of Paccar, do your oil change on time and truck service valve adjustment and clean The egr exhaust ….
What Drag !
God Bless
TonyJoe
Best wishes for you two
that hummer melted
Hopefully the crank can be saved and I would look into changing the rods and mains on the no name truck to just to be safe. ✌🏼❤️
With the amount of scoring, on the #3 to 4 throw cheek, I give it less than 1% chance of being saved. Just too much damage, also with the amount of metal that was circulating, pull the motor, out of frame, as the block and oil cooler and any part the motor oil came in contact with has to be thoroughly cleaned, or Martin will be doing another rebuild in 6 months. If the load situation was better, a new engine would be the best option, but with tight money, out of frame rebuild or reman, is in the cards.
It hurts soo much.
Best wishes from the far North.
Yeah if spin a bearing your done crank and rod are fubar
That sucks guys, I would call up that dealer and complain, talk to the Cummins rep there, show them what you found. Maybe they'll pick up the tab for the repair and their stupidity, or at least some of it, hopefully all of it. All the best.
Je ne connais pas les pratiques commerciales aux USA, mais en France ,il y aurait des recours possibles contre ce mécanicien incompétent,même après le dépassement de la garantie.
J'espère qu'il en est de même chez vous,bon courage à vous .
Pitiful situation, maybe you can contact dealer and see if they will take responsibility. I feel bad for you guys
Glad 2 knw that U can get Tiny situated soon. 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🇺🇸💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰
I remember getting a tow off my father , I tied my car on, to promptly see his fender fly off
Martin, I think you missed your calling, my friend. You should've been a journeyman diesel mechanic and instructor!!!😁😁
It sucks hard, but at least you know what the problem is and what needs to be done to fix it. As other posters have mentioned, the dealer (or whoever rebuilt the engine) screwed up by not properly torquing the con rod cap bolts on #3 cylinder - they should be covering all costs pertaining to rebuilding it again.
Good luck!!!
Good chilly morning y'all
Maybe it was gone in the first place and they found a way to put a thrust half in and thru it back together. I didn t know they put thrust washers on rods. Are you going after them or will that be in the next show?
Good vidio. Thanks
Those are a cracked cap rod. I’m surprised that they don’t mark each fastener after they torque it to keep track. Get that crank turned and get another rod and put it back together. Some dude Probably went to lunch and forget to torque them down.
I believe that’s what happened. All the other rods are marked with a paint pen but this one. Taking the head bolts out they are very inconsistent as well.
it might be interesting to go back and read a lot of the comments from o/o saying this is not the engine to buy
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I once was in the process of buying a machine shop. They would grind down a crankshaft
then reinstall with oversize bearings. (The right way to rebuild the engine).
A shortcut(if its only one cylender) maybe just polish. That machine shop also made tools and dies for the wire and cable making industry. EVERY PART THEY MADE had to be
polished to remove burs and imperfections.
you maybe able to use a polishing compound and a buffer(machine shop supply houses).
To fine polish(mirror finish) the jewelry suppliers make very fine polishing cloths and compounds. good luck(I would replace all the bearings on that shaft.) Jewelry suppliers
are called findings in nyc.
A supportive spouse is a blessing ( and vice versa ). . .
Your bearings are toast! Looks like your rod bearings
Sorry that what it was it needs a major overhaul great video ❤
Martin I would look into if a garage did work on it or it came from the factory.
save you money by you doing the work good luck.
Time to get a Catipillar
You guys should send this video to Cummins
I’m very sorry you guys are going through this. Who do you trust these days to do things right? It’s hard to find people who care. Hopefully you guys can get Tiny back on the road sooner rather than later.
Sadly that crank will have to be replaced. Looks like mine in my 2016 389 with the ISX 15 six months ago. My cam failed and put glitter all over the engine it also damaged my crank shaft. Everyone of my ISX engines have been a disappointment. Your engine was from a bad mechanic or a lazy mechanic. I’d be pissed too.Ihave a 2014 660 Kenworth with a paccar in it with 1.1 million miles on it and have not had to open that engine up. I like that paccar motor so much I went and bought a brand new 680 with another paccar engine. Hope you get it going and not break the bank
there used to be mobile service people that could grind that crank journal in the truck might check around for one of those. dont know if there still is anyone doing it anymore.
Sorry to hear this news
Polish the crank journal, Mic it may need put over size bearing in it, put it back together had cummins in a dozer did same thing it is still running fine with over 5000 hours on it
Do the same and then sell it back to the Cummins dealer
That’s a tough one!! A big mistake!! They just missed that when torquing. Maybe Cummins will help you!!???
I’d find the Cummins shop & talk to them about this. Worth a try. Too late now but why didn’t you still have bought the extended warranty for the engine??
Man it's not even my truck and I'm sick to my stomach, I hate it, but that's the kind of people working now days
I'm sorry your truck blew up. We know how they work, you'll survive you to work real hard. We've all been there and yes it sucks
Would you look at that! Just look at it! Lol you got some skills Martin. I've got some serious trust issues with mechanics as well gotta fix everything yourself these days
Your first instinct of the bolts not being torqued is logical. More than likely what happened is the bearing overheated, heating the whole area and causing the bolts to stretch exasperating the situation, then cooled, now with stretched bolts, thus leaving the bolts finger tight. Airplane engines have specs of bolt length, and tighten until the stretched length is a certain length longer than original bolt. Torque wrench not required. Heat causes some strange things to happen. If the bolts were never tightened, they would have worked their way out in a very short time. I had an air cooled engine that over heated, needed no wrench to remove cylinders or to split the case. All the bolts/studs had stretched when the engine over heated.
I’m sure they’d stretched a bit, not sure how hot it got but I don’t see any discoloring on the rod or crank from heat, this is a common thing with the fractured rods.
Just a question. The heating theory sounds logical. Could they have not been tight because the bearing had basically disintegrated so there was no longer anything to be tight against. Or do those caps meet each other and tighten up against each other to torque? Just wondering. Either way, sorry this happened to you guys.
@@anthonyblackwell2059 the caps meet each other.
The bearing is definitely toast, likely taking the crank with it. All due to a incompetent mechanic. Agreed. However, that still does not address the fuel smell in the oil. Did the fuel dilute the oil which exacerbated the loose rod bolt/bad tolerance on the bearing?
While you are in there you still need to look at that pump...
Detroit dd15 I always recommend
no thanks, they have their own problems. The fleet we ran at FedEx Ground that’s all we had and we’ve seen it all out of those 11 trucks
Besides the mechanics incompetence what I find amazing is how many miles you guys put on that truck since you bought it before she came apart
Yup, some people can walk around with cancer for 3 or 4 years before it decide to attack your immune system or come out of it hiding place, exactly what this engine done.
How it going Alice an Martin , For sure these new engines you have to check the rods and mains about 400,000 , 650 to 7 00,000 you better roll rods , and maines in them , or there going to spin a bearing, Back in the day with the old school Cummins we checked them about every 100,000 miles , My self I would not buy another engine or a new engine to put in it , I would pull the engine out of the truck Strip it down , and I would take the block to B and R in West Sacramento you know who they are , I have been using them for decades they do really precise work , and then I would put it back together , I would have all the liners checked precise , I think these new engines are set at 12,000 from the top of the block , The way I done it , I set them at 15 thousands up from the block , Because that is a lot of problems with these new engines the liners are setting too low , and we call it / it sucks a liner and then the piston goes bad , and i would have the head redone and Surface , That is when you want to put titanium valves, and good valve guides , I know this because , I built one about 4 years ago, and everything worked great for me , Back then I was all done with the engine , and I put everything brand new , brand new fly wheel and clutch pressure plate , and I cleaned everything up underneath the hood and I painted everything she really look nice when I was done , I have had right around $38,000 bucks wrapped into it , and she run excellent , and my 2014 Peterbilt, I mentioned it before I got out of trucking , When I sold her She had 575,000 on everything I done , I told the mann that bought the truck to drop the Pan and check the rods and Mains , He called me back , and he said them rods and maines look 90% good with that kind of miles on them I guess I was just lucky my friend , But it is all up to you Alice and Martin It is your trucking company , You together have to decide what you want to do , and I know they got warranties on new engines , but they always try to fuk you on them or blame it on the driver , or you did not maintenance it right , and If you did decide to do it yourself , you have to buy the proper tools to do the job correct and precise , My friend down in Florida he finally bought his tools and started working on his own truck , and engine and he's doing a very good job for the first time , Shops have burnt him over so many times it was pathetic , But normally when you are a owner operator you have to work on your own trucks , and I know you are smart Martin and you are mechanical incline , Things that you do not know you ask somebody That does., and they will tell you and show you , and get yourself a book for the engine , Myself l learn working on diesel engines was a lot easier than working on car engines , One more thing the reason why these guys have problems with their engines from a shop , That is because , one mann is not working on the engine , One mann will do this , 1 mann will put the pistons in 1 mann will put the heads on and so forth , You do not know what they are doing to the engine , and that is why there is problems with them , constantly every single day they get a 100000 miles maybe or a 150000 miles and they got problems my friend ,
Good luck my friends , be safe and family
What do you keep around for a long cheater bar for stubborn bolts? They work but HEY! It’s old fashioned. Very sorry about your bad luck with the bearing.
That really Sucks. Martin hard workin SOB !! Get that Coors Light on Ice amigo!
Glad Martin found what caused it. At least it’s not driver caused. Do you know who rebuilt the engine. At least you could get something for your trouble and they could watch for further problems and correct them. Glad Martin us so expert in repairing the trucks and know just what is wrong. Hope it all works out for you.
I gotta say, Martin should have PHD behind his name. He would make a very good diesal mechanic teacher. Something I allways pick up on with the awesome relationship Martin and Beth have with each other. I have seen people woking on stuff like this and on edge most of the time. It might seem like a little thing to most people but when Martin had beth crank on the engie which Beth couldn't see what was going on and Martin had her do it again and then he said"perfect".Under the circumstances and what the cards they have been dealt of lately, they will make it because of the relationship they have. Sorry about the long comment, but felt like it needed to be pointed out. By the way Beth, you should name your truck, "Snazzy B.
Um, Beth? Are you referring to Alice incorrectly?
who’s Beth? 🤷🏼♀️
Yes,my bad
Dayum sorry to hear about that news incompetent mechanics and drivers plague this industry💪🏻y’all got this though 🤘🏻
Been there done that gone through about 5 ISX engines in 10 years all the way from the 870 2250 and 2230 I will never purchase another one.....
Not only do they have no mechanical failures that continue to plague the ISX lineup but they are a pain in the ass to rebuild and require a lot of time and special tools And just buying a used one is a huge gamble At least when it comes to an ISX.
what a bummer, its always the way, if you want it done right, you have to do it yourself, can you not replace the rod and have the crank reground?, keep your chin up, regards John
The manufacturer of the Rebuild owes you big time ITS DOCUMENTATION ON CAMERA 🎥 These dam Mechanics 🤦🏾♂️I had a hose go out on me in Vermont Repair guy fixed it and He forgot to screw the Coolant Top back on Causing me more money luckily I made it out the Green Mountains ⛰️ Back into Massachusetts. Keep Trucking My Mans I’m running a Cummins on a 2016 International and I keep my fingers crossed 🤞 and Eyes on Her at all times🫡
Keep on trucking! Hope it’s smooth for you from now on!