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F1nn just sort of transitioning without any pushback is so funny. I wish I could have just started going around in dresses and everyone is just, like, whatever
Yeah I feel that in my soul 😅 I live in the American south in a very redneckish/conservative area, and while it would bring me significant joy to be able to just wear skirts and blouses and be the emo/goth queen that I've become obsessed with the idea of being, I unfortunately can't. It's too scary, both on a personal level and on a safety level. Part of it is my appearance, I struggle to keep my face cleanly shaven which creates dysphoria, and I feel like my weight, especially largely being in my upper body, gets in the way of what I see as femininity for me specifically. But the rest of it is all just not feeling safe, frankly.
I think F1nn speed-ran much of the "Baby Trans" stage and figured out his preferred style (long hair, nail extensions, slightly feminine side of androgynous clothing) within the first year or so of "Girl Months", well before he thought "hang on, this is more than just a hobby..."
I think I'd go harder and girlier before I started, then I spent 6 years on hormones just being comfy, and it's so much better than trying to force it 😂
I speed-ran mine too because for years of being in the closet I knew *exactly* what look I wanted to go for and 5 years into transition it's still working for me.
You know what? This reminds me of how for two years in 6-7th grade I learned cello and got good enough to play radioactive by imagine dragons on it, then just completely quit, and I really don’t regret quitting either, I would bet a million bucks that that’s how everything is gonna go in my life, including sexuality, this is why I think only now am I even starting to understand it from finn’s perspective, I never really related to anyone who went through this because everyone took it so goddamned seriously, I’ll go on the drop of a hat from writing a book on sandwiches to reciting the Torah in Swedish to making fine quality wooden spoons, and while I will get super skilled in all of those, I will literally never interact with any of those again, I am the second coming of ignaz trebitsch-Lincoln and none can stop the sporadic life I shall lead
I know this is more of a term with Gen Z, but F1NN 100% strikes me as a "bruh" girl. It's an archetype that still presents feminine, but also doesn't hesitate to be boisterous, loud, and curt with their behavior.
ah, yes. the Tomboy. Never heard bruh girl but when I was a kid/ teen I was always 'accused' of being a *gasp* tomboy cause I had mostly guy friends and played rough. Now I'm a non binary lesbian lol
A, I love that archetype, but hate that it exists since that literally just means there's an expectation against it. B, I am totally at least partly a bruh girl, although as other comments mentioned, before Gen Z we called that a tomboy and I personally prefer one word instead of two lmao
Honestly I think part of why F1nn's experience is so different is because they're genderfluid. I'm also genderfluid and I actually have had a very similar experience. Don't worry you're still trans 👍
Genderfluid perks: -unlocks ALL customization options -immune to misgendering -automatically melts hostile bigoted cishet's brains with confusion on sight
@@Phoenixfisch That social constructs are just that. An artificial construct. With statements like "don't worry you're still trans", it shows the culture of making trans out to be an ideal. Unfortunately many people prioritise words they want to hear over what they need to hear.
Yeah that's my guess, he's had several years of streaming to process and work through all those feelings and by now he's dressed feminine so much that it doesn't give him euphoria, it's just normal.
@theoneandonlyAeth yeah I don't think gender euphoria exists after a few years because you are just living as your gender there's nothing new or special giving you gender euphoria. Finn has basically been living as gender fluid for years but just didn't have the label till now
@@SnowLily06the thing with gender euphoria is that, for a cis person, that's usually just...baseline. There's not a constant, back-of-your-head dislike about...well, everything about your appearance and how people treat you. But when you transition, the differences feel *right* in a way that you simply have never felt before, so the contrast makes it so much more obvious.
Enby baby here, Finn the gender euphoria of throwing Big Stick is an unmistakable and special feeling Ashley your laughter is beautiful your euBOREia is so valid thanks for the fun and relatable video
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
@@ville__ You have one dog-shite 40-second video, and a 1-minute short (ironically longer) of you stepping all over a pride flag--wtf are you on about?
it's interesting watching F1nn struggle to recognize and assess his feelings without at all recognizing that he's just not good at talking about or recognizing his feelings. immediately leaps to conclusions and probably had a crisis when it seems like the answer for him is just "feelings are hard and idk how to handle them yet". Also, I'm not genderfluid but a lot of genderfluid folks express having trouble solidly delineating their dysphoria and euphoria.
it might be some of the content brain, or just joking becaue he's used to joke about his gender, and he's throwing the commentary on the fly so we're getting his first reactions to a lot of these questions. he's also had a very different experience to most trans people. that being said yeah he's not very good about talking about it.
I think Finn is doing the things that would give gender euphoria without him connecting it to a gender related thing. He likes crosdressing but he doesnt need to be an actual girl to wear the girly clothes. I think if expressing feminine traits like dressing and other related things we now associate with gender would be more normalised than a lot more people could be like Finn. I think I would be like Finn, I wanna wear those cute clothes but could fluid from both sides. But because I feel like there is such a taboo on doing the things that are associated with being for girls you could end up with the conclusion that you need to transition just because you like doing and experiencing certain things that are associated with the other gender when in my mind they should not need to be. Normalise femboys, wearing dresses and skirts and being cute or feminine without the taboo and we could all live a happy life.
In my case particularly I feel like from the male perspective I am very limited in what I can do and dress and express but I feel as a girl I would be able to do both. If I could do both while being a male it would make me pretty much like finn I think.
So to add something to the Finn is genderfluid thing, as someone who is also autistic/adhd it adds another layer of complexity to the experience. When you don't experience life the way allistic people do, when your baseline experience is different, it can often be challenging to see how you fit in. Alexithymia, which a lot of us struggle with, throws even more complexity on the situation.
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
It's awesome to see how different trans experiences can be! I personally never went through a "baby trans phase" like so many people did. I tried out a lot of feminine stuff, and a lot of it was nice, but it was never an "Oh my god this is amazing, I'm never going back again" I honestly just wear whatever I want, no matter whether it's more feminine or more masculine. I like to joke that the trans girl in me and the lesbian in me are constantly arguing over what to wear lol
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
Yes, absolutely!! I do like wearing skirts, but it's because they're comfy, they don't actually give me any euphoria. I don't really get euphoria or dysphoria from clothes at all, I just wear whatever looks and feels nice no matter whether it's more feminine or more masculine. I like to say that the trans girl in me and the lesbian in me are constantly arguing over what clothes to wear lol
4:53 this is 100% the masculine side of F1nn There's something about just throwing a big stick that anyone with any degree of masculinity will know just hits
I was "yeah, felt that" (though I was surprised that Finn didn't also mention the inexplicable joy/satisfaction of chucking a big-a*s rock into a body of water and watching it make a big splash).
I will add that cisgender individuals can feel gender euphoria. Finn being genderfluid (which is a nonbinary identity, which is then a transgender identity) could feel gender euphoria from throwing a stick quite far. Gender euphoria (and, in turn, gender dysphoria) is different for everyone and can mean different things.
I can see why it would give euphoria in the beginning - by being recognised as a woman by people who find women attractive. But yeah it's not ideal, you can be attractive and seen as a woman without being sexualised
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
The normal wearable outfit thing makes all the sense- Finn's whole deal for like multiple years has been wearing these exaggerated femboy looks, usually contributed by subscibers who want to see him in them, mostly in pink- and for part of that time was explicitly gendering himself as Not Trans Regular Boy. As a fellow genderfluid: I have had to wear highly gendered work drag in both masculine and feminine modes where my internal sense of gender was less important than the implicit or explicit dress code, and as a result that whole range of styling doesn't make me feel as much like I am getting the pink or blue fuzzies as things suited to my evolving senses of my genders. Sometimes when your job is pink pink becomes something else, and that's interesting and complicated!
Oh my gosh, I’m so terrible I would be so excited for… Forget these royal weddings, I want this wedding 😅 I’m terrible, like they should do whatever is right for them, but I so hope this works out, the two of them are so adorable
How about: "Gender Euphoria to Gender Eubiquity"? One reason why I quit being stealth was that I discovered that wearing tights or stockings alleviated my knee pain, and I had no interest in suffering to appear "normal". There is both a tactile and visual euphoria to this, it's cheaper and easier to style lots of combos with skirt or shorts for vast wardobe variety. Part of that process was that I quit wearing cotton almost entirely, as it just doesn't feel as good to me as most other fabrics.
Same here, also I am starting to sag in places too, even though haven't seen any women where I live wearing stockings, skirts or dresses for the last 8-9 years at least, however it is what feels good to me, the dirty looks off some women and attention of the occasional man can be annoying, as i am not seeking attention, wearing anything age inappropriate, too revealing, or trying to stand out, but just wearing what feels good for me. I ignore as much as possible, I am old now so don't really care for the opinions of random passers by, I can't control whatever any assume about me from the clothing I like, but there should be less societal pressure to fit into a narrow idea of normality, that you will otherwise be disrespected/harassed if you don't look the same as everyone else.
works great for increasing blood flow when it's not enough for example when flying in a plane, I wonder if that's why it alleviates knee pain? or there's another effect of tight material worn on legs that I'm not aware of. makes me wonder if this would have helped the terrible leg pains I used to get for years since I was a kid until a few years ago if I had known sooner :/
@@sophiepooks2174 you don't have to listen to my advice but maybe you could try wearing long, flowy skirts to hide tights or stockings if you don't do that already? my bad if you already do or if you don't feel the need for that 😊
I transitioned while already married and we stayed together. Also, I was pretty far into my career. I kind of skipped a lot of these out of pure necessity. Now I do my best to live my tomboy lesbian life
Had to delete the thing I was gonna do about my own euphoria cause the stuff Icky's talking about I mainly haven't gotten to experience. Pink, yes it does. The whole not being as strong thing... yeah it feels good not being the manly man me open jars and lift heavy objects type. Also, getting ma'am instead of sir. Every time
1) i never really associated pink with feminine so that didn't really do anything for me. 2) i hate dresses but skirts are fun. Haven't actually worn any out in public though. 3) I've never liked kneesocks or thigh highs but leggings/tights/pantyhose are nice. 4) i've never liked the sexualized part even before transitioning 5) haven't done anything with nails but I want to (work issues) 6) i completely agree with the being treated as weak thing. It just feels nice to not be expected to do all the manual labor 😂 7) i also agree with fin on normal outfits making me feel more euphoric than anything.
I don't know which is more awesome here, the editing, the humour ("have you thought that your life is full of sorrow?" / "are you a dog?" 😂😂😂😂😂) or the two of you as you are ❤
Gonna start petitioning for F1nn to look into being agender. I'm agender and I feel very similar to how F1nn describes being trans. But that's just me personally
Would this just be Gender non conforming. EG, raising a middle finger to sexist gender stereotypes, norms and rules? Cause that is how I see myself. For as long as I have been conscious I have preferred so called "feminine" looks and styles, and some activities. I always though preventing people from doing many things due to their being a boy or girl was asinine. Today, I just wear what I want if the setting permits (and even if it doesn't, I still push those boundaries since really they should not exist.) So much of what Icky was listing off were there same stereotoypes. I think finn is showing that it is reaction towards open GNC kids or people is what leads to pressures to "blend in" by identifying as the gender that more aligns to those stereotypes.
@@pythosdegothos6181 GNC is a gender presentation. Agender is a gender identity. You can present hyper feminine or hyper masculine and still be agender. I think that with F1nn current label of genderfuilt, Icky is expecting her to relate to the more girly stuff when in "girl mode." But agender people don't have "girl mode" or "boy mode," we just have no gender. So we can wear super girly stuff and still feel no attachment to the girl gender. Hence the lack of gender euphoria. But it can still be fun and our preference in gender presentation. That's why I personally would like to see F1nn explore the term. But I'm by no means trying to invalidate F1nn's current identity of genderfuild. There are many different ways to be genderfuild, and I'm not going to say that F1nn is incorrect. I just relate to him as an agender person and since there seemed to be second thoughts in this video, I thought I'd present an alternative term.
@@creditsong7369 " But agender people don't have "girl mode" or "boy mode," we just have no gender. So we can wear super girly stuff and still feel no attachment to the girl gender." This sounds like myself, and that is the point of confusion. To me identifying as another gender just seems pointless. Why not broaden what presenting as a male, or as a female actually entails.
Genuine question, I think gender is kinda overrated as hell, and feel like it's only some portion of the population that actually gives two shits what gender they are (and some sub-portion that happen to have the wrong body for their identity), does that imply that I'm actually just agender? I just sorta am not super attached to the concept of gender, I don't even care enough to insist I'm NB and just roll with masculine presentation usually out of convenience
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
I appreciate this cuz I've been out for years and no longer do a bunch of the things that gave me gender euphoria and kinda felt weird about not caring enough to do them still
@@hammerth1421 Genderfluid is Trans and Finn has said they Trans He/She pronouns. Finn's experience is just not typical. Taking HRT is literally changing your body to that of female, breast development etc.
about a year after accepting but 4 months on hrt. Things that give me euphoria your questions: Pink: Yes but always liked pink always will. skirts and dresses: Yes but not too mini. thigh highs: only go to knees for me, they did at start now they are okay I still like them but not much euphoria Sexualized: Always have been oddly because way too damn tall and I hate it Nails: Painting them yeah People thinking I can't do taskes: I can't most of the time also yes. My own experiences: Picking/making female characters in games Wearing purses/handbags Booba growth doing crap about the dysphoria Makeup A lot of first time experiences as a women Flashbacks of obvious signs that I should have definitly realized that hey I am definitly 100% not cis nor ever have been Being called woman she/her/ feminine pronouns Being called prefered name that I really want to change legal name to but lack money to do so yet. Using prefered name on myself, I kinda really hated my deadname to begin with, it sucks as a name and comes from a terrible book I would sooner burn made by a hateful group of people who use said book to justify hate of us LGBT+ people Geeze I am older than you, and there is a lot of Trans people I know irl who watch your content and look up to you and they are much older than me. A lot of trans people watch your content of all ages and it is really nice meeting people who are older and trans as they are a bit more wiser it seems like. But its also nice seeing people who are younger than you, smarter, and still wiser because they are further along on the journey they just started before you did type of ordeal. I had a lot of issues with accepting myself and a lot of older trans people did because the times and envirorments we all grew up in. Also the lies we must defeat inorder to start loving and accepting ourselfs. Like a lot of our culture is based in lies, and things we may think are truths are actually lies. Repressing also really really sucks.
I never thought of being seen as weak being euphoric, but it's definitely the case for me now that I think about it. And painted nails are the absolute best. Super cute video!
A term I've been using for a while now is "Gender Euthymia". Euthymia is the psych term for the neutral baseline state that is just generally positive. I find that most of the trans people I speak to who are a number of years into their gender journey primarily experience their gender through Euthymia. They don't have as many instances of "This triggers a sense of overwhelming happiness in me" but they just have an everyday feeling of "The things in my life that align with my gender just feel right to me and generally positive".
My mom's ex was the first father figure I had in my life since my dad left when I was really lil, so I always considered him my dad n we r still close after 25+ yrs of them not being together. He found some old photos from when I was a kid n 1 was from a camping trip n he mentioned that he was pretty sure he had bought me the giant t-shirt I was wearing in the pic at some farage sale or something. My response was, "awe, I think that was probably my first dress." To which he responded "😂 lil did we know." "I like to throw a big stick." "R u a dog?" Confirmed, F1nn is a furry
I remember incorporating pink into my male outfits using the excuse "it's manly to wear pink" I didn't know what gender dysphoria was at the time or why exactly I wanted to wear pink other than wanting to not be limited with colors but here I am now taking estrogen lmao
I remember one time for back to school I wanted a pink shirt, and asked my mom for it and she shot it down. I didn’t know WHY I wanted it I mean it wasn’t about the pink per se, just what it represented, and there was a part of me that needed it.
You are legitimately my favorite CZcamsr and my favorite trans person/representative in the world. You're so positive and thoughtful. Thank you for the content
F1nn just sort of transitioning without any pushback is so funny. I wish I could have just started going around in dresses and everyone is just, like, whatever
Same. World's unfair.
F1nn was groomed by people in his community into becoming whatever this is.
Yeah I feel that in my soul 😅 I live in the American south in a very redneckish/conservative area, and while it would bring me significant joy to be able to just wear skirts and blouses and be the emo/goth queen that I've become obsessed with the idea of being, I unfortunately can't. It's too scary, both on a personal level and on a safety level. Part of it is my appearance, I struggle to keep my face cleanly shaven which creates dysphoria, and I feel like my weight, especially largely being in my upper body, gets in the way of what I see as femininity for me specifically. But the rest of it is all just not feeling safe, frankly.
It's a damn sight easier when you're already rich from "give me money to make me dress like a girl for a day/week/month/year!"
@@DaniRadriendil I wouldn't say that at all. Money has nothing to do with it, it's about how well they're accepted.
I think F1nn speed-ran much of the "Baby Trans" stage and figured out his preferred style (long hair, nail extensions, slightly feminine side of androgynous clothing) within the first year or so of "Girl Months", well before he thought "hang on, this is more than just a hobby..."
I unironically read speedran as spedran
I think I'd go harder and girlier before I started, then I spent 6 years on hormones just being comfy, and it's so much better than trying to force it 😂
I speed-ran mine too because for years of being in the closet I knew *exactly* what look I wanted to go for and 5 years into transition it's still working for me.
You know what? This reminds me of how for two years in 6-7th grade I learned cello and got good enough to play radioactive by imagine dragons on it, then just completely quit, and I really don’t regret quitting either, I would bet a million bucks that that’s how everything is gonna go in my life, including sexuality, this is why I think only now am I even starting to understand it from finn’s perspective, I never really related to anyone who went through this because everyone took it so goddamned seriously, I’ll go on the drop of a hat from writing a book on sandwiches to reciting the Torah in Swedish to making fine quality wooden spoons, and while I will get super skilled in all of those, I will literally never interact with any of those again, I am the second coming of ignaz trebitsch-Lincoln and none can stop the sporadic life I shall lead
The slightly less popular HRT -> trans pipeline
I know this is more of a term with Gen Z, but F1NN 100% strikes me as a "bruh" girl. It's an archetype that still presents feminine, but also doesn't hesitate to be boisterous, loud, and curt with their behavior.
So autistic?
"Bruh Girl" love that lmaoooo
Good thing both of them fall into early gen z
ah, yes. the Tomboy. Never heard bruh girl but when I was a kid/ teen I was always 'accused' of being a *gasp* tomboy cause I had mostly guy friends and played rough. Now I'm a non binary lesbian lol
A, I love that archetype, but hate that it exists since that literally just means there's an expectation against it. B, I am totally at least partly a bruh girl, although as other comments mentioned, before Gen Z we called that a tomboy and I personally prefer one word instead of two lmao
Honestly I think part of why F1nn's experience is so different is because they're genderfluid. I'm also genderfluid and I actually have had a very similar experience. Don't worry you're still trans 👍
yeah, being genderfluid is really fun cuz you can get euphoria from doing agab stuff sometimes, it's so weird lol
There's another explanation...
@@frishter Yeah?
Genderfluid perks:
-unlocks ALL customization options
-immune to misgendering
-automatically melts hostile bigoted cishet's brains with confusion on sight
@@Phoenixfisch That social constructs are just that. An artificial construct. With statements like "don't worry you're still trans", it shows the culture of making trans out to be an ideal. Unfortunately many people prioritise words they want to hear over what they need to hear.
I think Finn had all those feelings, but a long time ago on stream before he figured out that he is genderfluid. Now, he's just existing on HRT.
Yeah that's my guess, he's had several years of streaming to process and work through all those feelings and by now he's dressed feminine so much that it doesn't give him euphoria, it's just normal.
@theoneandonlyAeth yeah I don't think gender euphoria exists after a few years because you are just living as your gender there's nothing new or special giving you gender euphoria. Finn has basically been living as gender fluid for years but just didn't have the label till now
@@SnowLily06the thing with gender euphoria is that, for a cis person, that's usually just...baseline. There's not a constant, back-of-your-head dislike about...well, everything about your appearance and how people treat you. But when you transition, the differences feel *right* in a way that you simply have never felt before, so the contrast makes it so much more obvious.
I need a scene with funny cartoon music where you two are chasing each other around the room because its so BIG
That or "Yakety Sax".
@@RiggerMantis YES
so much room for activities
Finn is NOT fighting the puppybrain allegations
- am i a dumbass?
- ARE YOU A DOG?
Icky: "Does anything give you euphoria?"
F1nn: "Have you heard of fetch? THROW THE STICK!"
F1nn5ter and icky are the best couple ever
My parasocial ass will cry if anything ever happens lol
I've never been this parasocial with a couple lmao
They are SO much fun!
@@Skeeeewoah Yeah, for real lol
Sorry you two, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BREAK UP lol
@@LucasSilva-ep9dv real, i hate all celebrity relationship shit and online relationships in general but this one actually i love and grahhhhhh
Enby baby here, Finn the gender euphoria of throwing Big Stick is an unmistakable and special feeling
Ashley your laughter is beautiful your euBOREia is so valid thanks for the fun and relatable video
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
@@ville__
You have one dog-shite 40-second video, and a 1-minute short (ironically longer) of you stepping all over a pride flag--wtf are you on about?
it's interesting watching F1nn struggle to recognize and assess his feelings without at all recognizing that he's just not good at talking about or recognizing his feelings. immediately leaps to conclusions and probably had a crisis when it seems like the answer for him is just "feelings are hard and idk how to handle them yet". Also, I'm not genderfluid but a lot of genderfluid folks express having trouble solidly delineating their dysphoria and euphoria.
Go figure gender fluid people have trouble with solids :p
weird little day to day mental resistances send me straight into "I'm fake" mode so makes sense to me, even when I know that isn't right.
it might be some of the content brain, or just joking becaue he's used to joke about his gender, and he's throwing the commentary on the fly so we're getting his first reactions to a lot of these questions. he's also had a very different experience to most trans people.
that being said yeah he's not very good about talking about it.
Finn essentially being like"I don't feel gender euphoria I just enjoy what vibes well" is great an very relatable XD
I think Finn is doing the things that would give gender euphoria without him connecting it to a gender related thing. He likes crosdressing but he doesnt need to be an actual girl to wear the girly clothes. I think if expressing feminine traits like dressing and other related things we now associate with gender would be more normalised than a lot more people could be like Finn. I think I would be like Finn, I wanna wear those cute clothes but could fluid from both sides. But because I feel like there is such a taboo on doing the things that are associated with being for girls you could end up with the conclusion that you need to transition just because you like doing and experiencing certain things that are associated with the other gender when in my mind they should not need to be. Normalise femboys, wearing dresses and skirts and being cute or feminine without the taboo and we could all live a happy life.
In my case particularly I feel like from the male perspective I am very limited in what I can do and dress and express but I feel as a girl I would be able to do both. If I could do both while being a male it would make me pretty much like finn I think.
you both validate my status as a trans person in the most interesting ways, simply thank you for being yourselves
these videos are euphoric
So to add something to the Finn is genderfluid thing, as someone who is also autistic/adhd it adds another layer of complexity to the experience. When you don't experience life the way allistic people do, when your baseline experience is different, it can often be challenging to see how you fit in. Alexithymia, which a lot of us struggle with, throws even more complexity on the situation.
So true
Icky is adhd btw :3
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
🤙🏻same
This is the real answer.
Same here.
It's awesome to see how different trans experiences can be! I personally never went through a "baby trans phase" like so many people did.
I tried out a lot of feminine stuff, and a lot of it was nice, but it was never an "Oh my god this is amazing, I'm never going back again"
I honestly just wear whatever I want, no matter whether it's more feminine or more masculine. I like to joke that the trans girl in me and the lesbian in me are constantly arguing over what to wear lol
That end part made me giggle 😅
@@rebeccasam3434 I'm glad, I've been waiting for an excuse to use that LOL
I just had my appointment to start HRT and i get my medice today! Yall have been such a good source of knowledge and entertainment! Love yall🥰
I put on my first E patch an hour ago and I can't sit stilll
@@anoukk_ im also starting with the patches, then later i want to switch to the pills once my body starts to adjust
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
@@ville__ toxic.. which is why nobody flocks to you😒
@@PowhaBottom
I couldn’t even figure out what they were talking about.
Aww, you guys are so cute! Being trans is completely different person to person, I feel like not everyone does those stereotypical baby trans things.
Yes, absolutely!! I do like wearing skirts, but it's because they're comfy, they don't actually give me any euphoria.
I don't really get euphoria or dysphoria from clothes at all, I just wear whatever looks and feels nice no matter whether it's more feminine or more masculine.
I like to say that the trans girl in me and the lesbian in me are constantly arguing over what clothes to wear lol
After watching icky for the past few months, all of my previous dysphoria made so much more sense in retrospect. My egg is cracked.
WOOOOOOOOO!!!! 🏳⚧💖💖💖
You have been defeated by the Boss.
Icky out here untransing Finn’s gender like some Greek god messing with a mortal for the umpteenth time
4:53 this is 100% the masculine side of F1nn
There's something about just throwing a big stick that anyone with any degree of masculinity will know just hits
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"
Wait that was TR.
I was wondering about that. I mean I wonder if it literally is true kind of. I was not relating to what he was saying 😅
I was "yeah, felt that" (though I was surprised that Finn didn't also mention the inexplicable joy/satisfaction of chucking a big-a*s rock into a body of water and watching it make a big splash).
the masculine urge to find a big stick and throw it (I'm a woman but I have a very cool stick in my drawer that I found 4 years ago and still own)
I will add that cisgender individuals can feel gender euphoria. Finn being genderfluid (which is a nonbinary identity, which is then a transgender identity) could feel gender euphoria from throwing a stick quite far. Gender euphoria (and, in turn, gender dysphoria) is different for everyone and can mean different things.
Being sexualized = eeewphoria
I can see why it would give euphoria in the beginning - by being recognised as a woman by people who find women attractive. But yeah it's not ideal, you can be attractive and seen as a woman without being sexualised
That "Stooop...!" as Ashley keeps pulling out Finn's pink items
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
That was hilarious. Where she rolls Finn’s pink chair in to view, and keeps going 😅
I just love Ashley talking about very personal things that she experienced and Finn talking about how cool is to throw a stick very far away. 🤣🤣🤣
The normal wearable outfit thing makes all the sense- Finn's whole deal for like multiple years has been wearing these exaggerated femboy looks, usually contributed by subscibers who want to see him in them, mostly in pink- and for part of that time was explicitly gendering himself as Not Trans Regular Boy.
As a fellow genderfluid: I have had to wear highly gendered work drag in both masculine and feminine modes where my internal sense of gender was less important than the implicit or explicit dress code, and as a result that whole range of styling doesn't make me feel as much like I am getting the pink or blue fuzzies as things suited to my evolving senses of my genders. Sometimes when your job is pink pink becomes something else, and that's interesting and complicated!
Whoa that ending was harsh. The panic in F1nn's eyes. Can't blame him. Better lock that down. Both of you.
Oh my gosh, I’m so terrible I would be so excited for… Forget these royal weddings, I want this wedding 😅
I’m terrible, like they should do whatever is right for them, but I so hope this works out, the two of them are so adorable
I think part of it is that F1nn has been expressing themselves like this for a while. Most people don't socially transition in a way that F1nn did.
How about: "Gender Euphoria to Gender Eubiquity"?
One reason why I quit being stealth was that I discovered that wearing tights or stockings alleviated my knee pain, and I had no interest in suffering to appear "normal". There is both a tactile and visual euphoria to this, it's cheaper and easier to style lots of combos with skirt or shorts for vast wardobe variety. Part of that process was that I quit wearing cotton almost entirely, as it just doesn't feel as good to me as most other fabrics.
Same here, also I am starting to sag in places too, even though haven't seen any women where I live wearing stockings, skirts or dresses for the last 8-9 years at least, however it is what feels good to me, the dirty looks off some women and attention of the occasional man can be annoying, as i am not seeking attention, wearing anything age inappropriate, too revealing, or trying to stand out, but just wearing what feels good for me.
I ignore as much as possible, I am old now so don't really care for the opinions of random passers by, I can't control whatever any assume about me from the clothing I like,
but there should be less societal pressure to fit into a narrow idea of normality, that you will otherwise be disrespected/harassed if you don't look the same as everyone else.
works great for increasing blood flow when it's not enough for example when flying in a plane, I wonder if that's why it alleviates knee pain? or there's another effect of tight material worn on legs that I'm not aware of. makes me wonder if this would have helped the terrible leg pains I used to get for years since I was a kid until a few years ago if I had known sooner :/
@@sophiepooks2174 you don't have to listen to my advice but maybe you could try wearing long, flowy skirts to hide tights or stockings if you don't do that already? my bad if you already do or if you don't feel the need for that 😊
It's so funny seeing their dynamic because it perfectly encapsulates how there are infinitely many types of trans people living their own unique lives
F1nn is right about the stick thing, tho.
When you get that BEEFY twirl on thick branch and it goes far. monkee brain happy.
i love how short finn looks in the new room
I transitioned while already married and we stayed together. Also, I was pretty far into my career. I kind of skipped a lot of these out of pure necessity. Now I do my best to live my tomboy lesbian life
Yo stop posting my personal info online :P
"are you a dog?"
F1nn confirmed to be a puppy-girl
Icky was finally let into the strim room
Just love all your work ash , you two crack me up
Try rewording that last part, mate🤣
I too get crapped up when I see them both
Had to delete the thing I was gonna do about my own euphoria cause the stuff Icky's talking about I mainly haven't gotten to experience.
Pink, yes it does. The whole not being as strong thing... yeah it feels good not being the manly man me open jars and lift heavy objects type.
Also, getting ma'am instead of sir. Every time
I love how they got like three questions in until F1nn got a gender crisis
1) i never really associated pink with feminine so that didn't really do anything for me.
2) i hate dresses but skirts are fun. Haven't actually worn any out in public though.
3) I've never liked kneesocks or thigh highs but leggings/tights/pantyhose are nice.
4) i've never liked the sexualized part even before transitioning
5) haven't done anything with nails but I want to (work issues)
6) i completely agree with the being treated as weak thing. It just feels nice to not be expected to do all the manual labor 😂
7) i also agree with fin on normal outfits making me feel more euphoric than anything.
Nahh the editor went crazyy with this one 🔥🔥
Finn might have avoided certain parts of the early phase due to having worn that sort of stuff a lot for streams beforehand
I think this is the best video between you two - I learnt a lot
Okay okay... but I genuinely have SO much fun watching your content! You bring joy to this world! Love you both!❤
This is my favourite video of you two so far.
Loved the video editing, it gave me gender euphoria, like, literally!!!
This was just a cute video it's really sweet how you both are with each other 💕💕
These videos bring me so much comfort
New video from Icky just made my day 🎉🎉🎉❤
I think this is one of the funniest videos on your channel. Your dynamic is an absolute joy to watch. ☺
4:08 Finn getting rotated will always be funny
You two are always so fun to watch
I don't know which is more awesome here, the editing, the humour ("have you thought that your life is full of sorrow?" / "are you a dog?" 😂😂😂😂😂) or the two of you as you are ❤
Gonna start petitioning for F1nn to look into being agender. I'm agender and I feel very similar to how F1nn describes being trans. But that's just me personally
I think he's said he's not Agender during the coming out stream.
Would this just be Gender non conforming. EG, raising a middle finger to sexist gender stereotypes, norms and rules? Cause that is how I see myself. For as long as I have been conscious I have preferred so called "feminine" looks and styles, and some activities. I always though preventing people from doing many things due to their being a boy or girl was asinine. Today, I just wear what I want if the setting permits (and even if it doesn't, I still push those boundaries since really they should not exist.) So much of what Icky was listing off were there same stereotoypes. I think finn is showing that it is reaction towards open GNC kids or people is what leads to pressures to "blend in" by identifying as the gender that more aligns to those stereotypes.
@@pythosdegothos6181 GNC is a gender presentation. Agender is a gender identity. You can present hyper feminine or hyper masculine and still be agender. I think that with F1nn current label of genderfuilt, Icky is expecting her to relate to the more girly stuff when in "girl mode." But agender people don't have "girl mode" or "boy mode," we just have no gender. So we can wear super girly stuff and still feel no attachment to the girl gender. Hence the lack of gender euphoria. But it can still be fun and our preference in gender presentation. That's why I personally would like to see F1nn explore the term. But I'm by no means trying to invalidate F1nn's current identity of genderfuild. There are many different ways to be genderfuild, and I'm not going to say that F1nn is incorrect. I just relate to him as an agender person and since there seemed to be second thoughts in this video, I thought I'd present an alternative term.
@@creditsong7369 " But agender people don't have "girl mode" or "boy mode," we just have no gender. So we can wear super girly stuff and still feel no attachment to the girl gender." This sounds like myself, and that is the point of confusion. To me identifying as another gender just seems pointless. Why not broaden what presenting as a male, or as a female actually entails.
Genuine question, I think gender is kinda overrated as hell, and feel like it's only some portion of the population that actually gives two shits what gender they are (and some sub-portion that happen to have the wrong body for their identity), does that imply that I'm actually just agender?
I just sorta am not super attached to the concept of gender, I don't even care enough to insist I'm NB and just roll with masculine presentation usually out of convenience
the editing really saved this video, the editor deserves a raise!
Thank you Ashley and Finn! 💜💜💜
Shouldve asked F1nn if being compared to Karen Gillan causes gender euphoria 😄
So funny,you guys just hit euphoria out of the park!
God you have helped me so incredibly much, thank you
Congrats on the new home together you two!!!
Omg I love you two so much!
F1nn falling into transness backward is so F1nn. He needs proper trans house training ;^)
Awe, you 2 are so cute together 😊
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.
GREAT VID QUEEN
I appreciate this cuz I've been out for years and no longer do a bunch of the things that gave me gender euphoria and kinda felt weird about not caring enough to do them still
"Is there nothing on this earth that gives you gender euphoria?"
Editor's depiction of F1nn's thoughts:
"... stick"
I've never seen you giggling before. It's so adorable ❤
You two make really fun and cute vids together
Finn's got Canine Euphoria, with his stick thing XD
Nah, it's just masculine euphoria. It basically demonstrates that Finn is genderfluid and not a trans woman.
@@hammerth1421 Genderfluid is Trans and Finn has said they Trans He/She pronouns. Finn's experience is just not typical. Taking HRT is literally changing your body to that of female, breast development etc.
@@GothGirl0 read again. They said f1nn is not a trans woman, not that f1nn isn't trans
@@lilithsspawnI have read what they wrote and that's their opinion.
That thing with throwing a stick - I feel you, Finn.
about a year after accepting but 4 months on hrt. Things that give me euphoria
your questions:
Pink: Yes but always liked pink always will.
skirts and dresses: Yes but not too mini.
thigh highs: only go to knees for me, they did at start now they are okay I still like them but not much euphoria
Sexualized: Always have been oddly because way too damn tall and I hate it
Nails: Painting them yeah
People thinking I can't do taskes: I can't most of the time also yes.
My own experiences:
Picking/making female characters in games
Wearing purses/handbags
Booba growth
doing crap about the dysphoria
Makeup
A lot of first time experiences as a women
Flashbacks of obvious signs that I should have definitly realized that hey I am definitly 100% not cis nor ever have been
Being called woman she/her/ feminine pronouns
Being called prefered name that I really want to change legal name to but lack money to do so yet.
Using prefered name on myself, I kinda really hated my deadname to begin with, it sucks as a name and comes from a terrible book I would sooner burn made by a hateful group of people who use said book to justify hate of us LGBT+ people
Geeze I am older than you, and there is a lot of Trans people I know irl who watch your content and look up to you and they are much older than me. A lot of trans people watch your content of all ages and it is really nice meeting people who are older and trans as they are a bit more wiser it seems like. But its also nice seeing people who are younger than you, smarter, and still wiser because they are further along on the journey they just started before you did type of ordeal. I had a lot of issues with accepting myself and a lot of older trans people did because the times and envirorments we all grew up in. Also the lies we must defeat inorder to start loving and accepting ourselfs. Like a lot of our culture is based in lies, and things we may think are truths are actually lies. Repressing also really really sucks.
This video was awesome in a way I'm not really able to discribe. Made me smile.
I’m genderfluid and can confirm, throwing a big stick IS euphoric :3
"Have you ever considered that maybe your life is filled with sorrow?" is such a killer response lmao.
I love you two. This is all out anarchy and I love it.
I love seein f1nn in ashleys videos
Yeah, I love when they’re in each other’s videos. And tank the chaser also!
I never thought of being seen as weak being euphoric, but it's definitely the case for me now that I think about it. And painted nails are the absolute best.
Super cute video!
Gender euphoria for the win, it is so life affirming 🖤
A term I've been using for a while now is "Gender Euthymia".
Euthymia is the psych term for the neutral baseline state that is just generally positive.
I find that most of the trans people I speak to who are a number of years into their gender journey primarily experience their gender through Euthymia. They don't have as many instances of "This triggers a sense of overwhelming happiness in me" but they just have an everyday feeling of "The things in my life that align with my gender just feel right to me and generally positive".
My mom's ex was the first father figure I had in my life since my dad left when I was really lil, so I always considered him my dad n we r still close after 25+ yrs of them not being together. He found some old photos from when I was a kid n 1 was from a camping trip n he mentioned that he was pretty sure he had bought me the giant t-shirt I was wearing in the pic at some farage sale or something. My response was, "awe, I think that was probably my first dress." To which he responded "😂 lil did we know."
"I like to throw a big stick."
"R u a dog?"
Confirmed, F1nn is a furry
How is finn even a real person, it's such a strange arc in the best way.
6:40 that kiss was so lovely 🥰
tank getting freaky with the Bahaj 😭😭
100% on the miniskirt phase haha. They are still GREAT fashion item, but I have other fun stuff to wear.
Icky and Finn wrestling is Everything
They’re both so real for this 💜
I remember incorporating pink into my male outfits using the excuse "it's manly to wear pink" I didn't know what gender dysphoria was at the time or why exactly I wanted to wear pink other than wanting to not be limited with colors but here I am now taking estrogen lmao
I remember one time for back to school I wanted a pink shirt, and asked my mom for it and she shot it down.
I didn’t know WHY I wanted it I mean it wasn’t about the pink per se, just what it represented, and there was a part of me that needed it.
Still can't get over the fact "how beautiful finn's hair looks.
defo relate to liking the loss of upper body muscle
It’s crazy how fast strength loss happens
Ash is so lovely 💖
The euphoria for me feels like a hot buzzy feeling in the center of my chest that radiates out. It literally feels like sunlight in my chest.
You are legitimately my favorite CZcamsr and my favorite trans person/representative in the world.
You're so positive and thoughtful. Thank you for the content
You two are just so cute together.
Someone give Ickys editor a raise
00:56 “Feels good, little treat.” My heart, my soul 😊
I know comments like this can be pretty annoying but I was having a shitty day and being able to watch a new Icky vid helped put me in a better mood
I hope you and everyone like you gets the help you desperately need. 🙂 god bless you all
You two are the cutest couple ever! I wish you all the best! Much love!
that was so cute. also that little kiss in shoulder
Thanks!
You two are SO ridiculously cute! 😍