Babe Vs. Bonds: The Most Dominant Player In Baseball History
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- I wanted to talk about two of the greatest players in MLB history. Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds are perhaps the two most dominant players ever and while it is impossible to compare them 1 to 1 I try my best. Both players have extremely interesting careers and are larger than life. Let me know what you think of them and anything you would want to see in the future.
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Bobby/ Barry Bonds - The Kings of the short the short fence era.
really as opposed to the 297 ft right field porch that the Babe had and the Pesky Pole before that when he played with Boston? If we are talking semantics you really should not go there.
@@darrylbrown8253 Read “The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs”.
Babe Ruth 7 championships
Barry Bonds 0 championships
Postseason
Babe Ruth .326 BA .744 SLG
Barry Bonds .245 BA .503 SLG
Babe Ruth never played against either blacks or latinos. Babe Ruth never batted against the array of pitches that exist now. And likely never faced fast balls anywhere near 100 mph. Babe Ruth was on a team with batters labeled murderous row and had 5 hall of famers outside of babe himself. He also played in an era in which there was between 23 to 15 other teams he competed against to win the championship. Bonds competed against 29 other teams and as far as I know never had more than 1 other hall of famer ever on his team. Bonds did face an array of pitches, did face fast balls toping 100 mph and obviously played against blacks, latinos and asians.
Not only is Ruth the greatest ever, he’s also arguably the most important and easily the most mythologized player to ever live.
First and foremost, let’s not forget that he completely altered the course of history - both in the sport, and especially for the Yanks and Red Sox. No other individual player has had as much of an impact on multiple teams, let alone one.
Ruth was the first baseball player to generate such intense scrutiny and public interest. Hell, during World War II, Japanese soldiers would yell, “To hell with Babe Ruth”, to get under the skin of American troops.
More books have been written about Ruth than any other Hall of Famer. Since Ruth’s playing days, ballparks have been built to supplement offense and home runs.
I could go on, but I think I’ve definitely made my point. Ruth is the greatest ever.
Great video. Babe Ruth’s Baseball Reference page is always a treat to look at
Thank you very much, it is easy to get lost in the mythology of older players and forget just how good they really were.
It's my 2 favorite reference pages of all-time bonds and ruth.. everyone talks about 01 bond's but the most insane year was 04.. it literally doesn't make sense..
And say what you will about Bonds but like Ruth and Yankee stadium the house that Ruth built, Bonds single handedly built that stadium in downtown San Francisco. Few players in the history of baseball can take that kind of credit.
Who was more dominant? Well, "Bondsian" is not a word.
That's a great point. And an even better point, that few people point out is, Ruth got 1000 intentional walks WHEN LOU GEHRIG WAS ON DECK!!!!!
Bonds got a lot of walks when Joe Schmo was on deck. That's a whole different thing.
The stan the man throw in was iconic ty for that
He is incredibly underrated. Glad you liked it!
Great breakdown and very honest perspective about the eras. One other thing about both of them, is that they both visited sick children in hospitals. What both men did on the field was amazing. One guy had the highest total WAR while the other had the highest WAR among position payers. The Red Sox sold Ruth and paid for it for nearly 100 years, as the Pirates wouldn't sign Bonds (even though they got a new stadium a few years later), and the Pirates haven't won a divisional title since he left. Ruth popularized swinging up on the ball for more home runs, while Bonds popularized the Maple Bats that were introduced to him by Joe Carter from Toronto (maple).
Thank you! Both players were head and shoulders above their competition and it is crazy what either of them did on the field.
I know, anytime you’re getting intentionally walked with the bases loaded, you’re a cut above the rest. And that was 1998. And what can’t you say about Ruth, he could have been a hall of fame pitcher as well as a position player.
Bonds left the Pirates. The Pirates had no chance to pay him. They gave big contracts to Drabek and Van Slyke and tried to resign Bonds. His last year in Pittsburgh Bonds made 4.8 million. His first year in San Francisco he made 4.5 million.
The Pirates won their last championship in 1979. Bonds won nothing for the Pirates. He went to San Francisco and won nothing.
@@floydparr8006 Good response, but I disagree with both of your analysis. Correct, the Pirates did give big contracts to Drabek (good pitcher by the way), and Van Slyke. The Pirates also signed shortstop Jay Bell for $17.5 million, four-year deal in 1993, the same year that Bonds signed with the Giants. See Bonds and Bonilla "somehow" couldn't win their arbitration cases while other players on the team were being taken care of. They could have signed Bonds as Bonilla was traded to the Mets in '92 as money was freed up. This is Bonds, not only the MVP of the team, but we are talking about the MVP of the league, who should have won in 1991 (as it would have been 3 MVPs with the Pirates). So the Pirates somehow had enough money to get a new stadium nine years later. You are suppose to finacially take care of the best player or MVP of the league that happens to be on your team.
This isn't the first time the Pirates screwed things up, as I would say getting rid of Forbes Field to play in that concrete dump Three Rivers was another blunder. The other one is the Pirates not signing the negro league players who were playing for the Pittsburgh Crawfords (Gibson, Bell, and Paige) in the 1930's, especially the 1936 Crawford team. So basically a decade later Branch Rickey does what should have been done in Pittsburgh.
The other argument such as Bonds won nothings is like saying, "Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Ken Griffey Jr , Tony Gwynn and Harmon Killebrew never won anything because they didn't win a ring." The 1993 Giants team won 103 games that season, the Braves (who had three hall of fame pitchers on that team), won 104 games, but were erroneously in the NL West. So after this baseball decided to create a central division in 1994 and a wild card system which we didn't get to see initially because of the strike. It takes a team to win in baseball, they were close in 2002, but Dusty Baker erroneously took out Russ Ortiz too soon in the 7th and the Angels came back. It wasn't Bonds fault, as he put on a clinic. I think Bonds wanted to go back home to that part of California where he grew up at. Did he have personality attitude problem, yea he did, but so did many others.
@@flame-sky7148 The Pirates signed Bonds to a record one year contract. They would have resigned Bonds to a longer contract but he had no desire to play in Pittsburgh. The only offers he considered were the Giants & Yankees.
Bonds didn't win a ring because he stunk in the postseason. He hit . 191 with 1 HR and 3 RBI in 20 games with the Pirates. His last act was disobeying his manager who ordered him to move in. He waved off Van Slyke who relayed the order to Bonds. When the ball was hit to him his weak off line throw allowed the winning run to score.
Out of 7 postseasons, he only had one good one at the plate in 2002 but he lost the series in the field when he misplayed Troy Glaus' fly ball into the game winning double in game 6. The Angels got the momentum and won game 7 at home.
Forbes Field was the most difficult stadium to hit Home Runs in baseball. To say it was a mistake to move is a joke. The Pirates made the post season and won a World Series the first 3 years in 3 Rivers. Their first 10 years they won 6 division titles and 2 championships. The Pirates were always great hitting and weak to mediocre pitching teams. Playing in an extreme pitcher's park for so long was the mistake.
Excellent video Tapir! Maybe it's because he was born in Baltimore, but Babe Ruth has always been the player I've wanted to learn the most about.
Thank you! He was great to read about.
You would enjoy Bill Jenkinson's book on Babe Ruth.
That god damn smooth angelic voice gets me every time. Tapir with the needed goon fuel!
Happy to help sir
I will be honest. I think we never got to see what roided 2001-2004 Barry Bonds can do because he was internationally walked so many times. I swear his stats in that category are more ridiculous, unbreakable, and amazing than his HR records. Especially his 120 intentional walks in 2004, which represented about 30% of his plate appearances that season, rhat was just fear anf his almost double 2nd and 3rd place seasons which were also by Barry Bonds. And almost triple Willy Mcovey in 4th place with 45 in 1969. Heck, he was in the 04 HR derby, and he as intentionally walked as a joke.
I think would of definitely hit 800 home runs if not 850 if he wasn’t walked as much
Probably could have hit 900 without the walks and if he also wasn't blackballed out of the league
Yup the guy was definitely the best hitter of all time, the only guy who was walked consitently like that , it wasn't just that he was gonna hit the ball ,it was when he did there was a very high chance it was going out . The whole league said fuck that , and when they tried to pullthe tough guy "we ain't afraid to throw to him " routine he made them pay on a consistency level that was incredible . He was hated because he was so far ahead of anyone and targeted for something that the entire league was doing at that time . We were all super lucky to see things like that happen in real time and in person . I live about 2 hours south of sf and while i hate the city as a whole I love the stadiums over the years and have been to alot of games and feel lucky to have seen that live
Remember that Bonds joined the steroid era late and when he was out of his prime years. He won 3 x MVPs pre steroid era, ZERO MVPS in his prime during the first 7 years of the steroid era, then 4 x MVPS when he joined the MLB standard of using steroids. Imagine a steroid Bonds in his prime. We’re looking at 12-14 MVPs. I always like to remind peeps that the commissioner of MLB during steroids in in the Hall of Fame
@@Spinach_D bud selig deserves more than a lions share of blame. Absolutely
Babe Ruth is transcedant of the game. He is a Mozart level goat. Barry Bonds might hold the records but he got them on cheat code while trolling anyone and everyone. It isnt even close Ruth will always be loved and everyone vote is biased off that alone.
Babe Ruth also didnt travel across country, play night games, or play against diverse pitching.
Belly ache heard round the world hahaha have to love that! Great content man, got a new sub here
Thank you so much, it always means a lot hearing stuff like this!
1. Ruth did it on Hot Dogs & Beer.
2. How many games did Bonds win as a Pitcher?
3. If Bonds possessed even an average arm, Sid Bream would have been out by 10 feet.
4. How many times did Bonds steal Home?
5. Who's lifetime average is higher?
This question gets dumber every time it gets asked.
Ruth was a better hitter for a longer period of time imo
As a bonds supercollectors and a daily consumer of online bonds content I must say well done sir! Very good and objective comparison! Much appreciated! Will watch this one a bunch!
I appreciate it. Babe Ruth is really the only guy you can compare him to and that says A LOT.
@@TapirBaseballBonds is cheating scum, and would never have done what he did without his drugs.
I have hundreds of Bonds rookie cards in my mom’s basement.😂
@@yankees29 grade the mint and gem mint copies!
@@yankees29 excellent! Any of them mint copies?
People usually don’t know that Babe Ruth had 60 home runs when they only played 150 games in a season. When Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961 they had just changed the season to 162 games. Maris did not reach 60 home runs in 150 games so in a way Ruth’s 60 still beats Maris’s 61.
Barry Bonds hit 60 HRs in 141 games. So he beat both records.
@@darrylbrown8253 ******
@@michaeladams5636 yes i know those asterisks are for the Babe. He faced major league pitchers only throwing 80 mph. He would bat .225 with todays pitching and that 56 oz bat he swung.
@@darrylbrown8253 Nah man pitching was actually better in Babes day 😀🤘🤷♂️😝🤔
@@michaeladams5636 nope players in the 1920s have stated that mph was between 70-85 mph. Paul Skenes will mow him down in 3 pitches if fat boy still used his 56 oz bat LMAO...Obviously you never played baseball...you were too busy trying on moms lipstick and high heeled shoes. LOL 💄👗
Babe hit his homers in stadiums that were vastly bigger than today. Babe would have 1000 homers if the fences were like they are now, Barry would have gotten 250 dingers if he played in those monstrous stadiums.
Shut up with the nonsense bud. Babe went against milk workers. Image if Barry went against them. Learn baseball
@@justvibing2497 What the fuck is a milk worker. You saying professional pitchers were milk workers? You have a ganglion for a brain.
@@justvibing2497 What the fuck is a milk worker?
@@justvibing2497 mad black guy detected
@@hyzercreek i agree with you babe is the goat
Thank you for tipping your proverbial cap to Stan the Man. Most underrated hof'er ever.
Stan is an all time player and I feel like he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves. Only Hank Aaron and Pujols have more total bases. The guy was a machine and I think he was decades ahead of everyone in terms of valuing extra base hits.
Ruth will always be better because he didn't need to cheat, was a crazy good pitcher and an all around better person than Bonds. The fact that Ruth was dominant on both sides of the ball automatically makes him better than Bonds. And honestly, I never understood why Bonds decided to take PEDs, he was already a great player with a HoF worthy career. Unfortunately, he dug his own grave. I used to love the guy but lost respect for him after he started taking PEDs.
Babe Ruth's pitching ability is not talked about enough, he was phenomenal on the mound.
Easy time period for him to play in.
Ruth played against the same handful of teams and the same pitchers over and over while only allowing white players to play. I think it’s fair to say based on athleticism alone Ruth would not have performed the same in Bond’s era.
@@mastermace7770then how come no one else hit bombs like Ruth did back then?
@@mastermace7770you could say the same thing bout bonds... easy time to be a hitter, took down the spins pitchers were throwing "no more spit balls, submarines, and the like" and added juice to the game... when a guys head size now matches his ego, you got a problem... unlike during the Ruth Era, bonds Era MULTIPLE PLAYERS hitting massive HRs... unlike Ruth Era, which there were SO FEW... sorry, you are comparing Apples to Orange JUICED...
Barry Bonds got to where he was hitting a home run in every 8 at bats when they weren’t intentionally walking him⚾️
The biggest thing I’ll ever remember about Bonds is his dropped fly ball in the playoffs.
He was unapologetic and casual about mistakes that hurt those around him. Ruth’s private life was a mess but his effects on his teams were better by leaps and bounds.
If the biggest thing you remember about Barry Bonds is a fly ball he dropped, then you’re likely a major hater. There’s no way anybody doesn’t immediately think of a big shrek guy looking for a pitch at the plate to slug out the park
The biggest thing I remember was the increase in the size of his head from Rookie to roid abuser
The tie breaker are the strikeouts. Bonds hit for average, power, and still was struck on only 12% of his at bats. Ruth had more or less the same percentage, but in Bonds´era, the SO/9 rate was almost three times as high compared to the Babe Ruth era.
Bonds was the standout from a world wide talent pool of ball players, Ruth had not even faced the full talent level among US players (otoh he wasnt doping).
So yes, the strikeouts are the tie breaker. Cant drop the K rate with roid syringes. Many of Bonds´ HRS otoh are not legit.
Thank you. I find it nuts that people are arguing that babe is better. It drives me nuts
@Tapir_Baseball
The record of 27 in a season, set in 1884, was Ned Williamson.
Roger Conner had the career record at the time Babe Ruth was playing at 133.
Banning the alteration to the Baseball had more to do with the death of Ray Chapman in 1920 from a pitch that he couldn't pick up...
Great video tho.
Thank you for the info and the compliment!
Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs without steroids in an era when literally no one else was remotely close. His teammate Lou Gehrig, one on baseball's immortals, hit 493. He was way more impressive.
Yeah and none of the opposing teams were integrated.
babe ruth is the goat
Had Ted Williams not lost all those seasons to military service he probably would have given Babe Ruth's homerun record a run for his money. Bonds was a great player to have on your fantasy baseball team way before he was racing for the homerun records.
Ruth baby ❤
Hank Arron was a great hitter too as well as Josh Gibson.
I feel like guys like Josh Gibson are finally getting the recognition they deserve. I plan on talking more about players from negro leagues but I will need to do a lot more research to give them what they deserve.
They weren’t
Hank Aaron was at bat 3,965 more times than Babe Ruth.
Another difference is the length of the season in which they played with Babe Ruth playing during a time when a baseball season was 153 games and Barry Bonds played during a time when the length of a baseball season was 162 games(the reason for the asterisk after Roger Maris' 61st homerun in 1961, the first 162 game season)
Very good to note. Ruth is the leader in slugging which just means he would have been even better if given more games to play in.
@@TapirBaseball he was also a defensive leader, a threat on the basepaths, and an RBI leader
Great video.
Thank you very much!
I can't see an out of shape Ruth hitting like Bonds in baseball today. What was the speed of pitches then? Over time, Bonds will be recognized because he was just insanely good. But, Ruth, though none of us can attest to, was probably best, too. I'll take Bonds on my team though.
To say those two mlb players in the same sentence is a disgrace.
Great video in my opinion only Bonds is the more dominate hitter
Thank you! Both players really separated themselves and I think either opinion is valid.
Your full of Steroids
The pic at 4:56 is not murderers row. The dude in the middle is the manager Miller Huggins, and where is Lou Gehrig?
Just offensively give me Ruth. But I’m taking prime clean Bonds with Speed, power and defense over one dimensional Ruth.
Fair assessment
Ruth wasn’t as slow as you think. He stole 123 bases in his career. He stole home 10 times!
One dimensional? What was Bonds ERA and winning percentage?
The Babe was long before my time. I am fortunate that I got to see Barry Bonds. I think the steroids scandal is a convenient excuse. The real reason Bonds is not in the HOF is that he is being punished for his bad attitude toward sports journalists. As I understand it, they have strong influence in the HOF voting system.
He tried to mend some bridges with his coaching stints but it ultimately wasn’t enough to get him. It will be interesting to see what happens with the veteran committee
@TapirBaseball
That last veterans committee bonds wasnt even close. Im ashamed that the players didnt vote him in and that committee had some of my favorite all time players from my team. Chipper, maddux, glavine
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I appreciate it!
Ruth was a great pitcher and won 7 World Series, giving him the edge. However, they should not have persecuted Bonds so much for his steroid use. He was one of a kind regardless.
Also bonds wore all that body armor with giants after 2000 . He looked like robo cop. Crowding plate. 30 years prior he'd have gotten backed off the plate, if not just hit in thr head by low 90s fastball.
@@kenw2225 Yeah but he still sucked..
Bonds taking steroids was a key contributor to his intentional walks, which leads to increased on base percentage… if you truly want to compare their stats, remove all steroid years and Ruth is far superior
Honestly Even Without Roids Bonds was the best power speed guy of all time with a great fielding glove. 100 war would not have been a problem for him.
Bonds and roids are inseparable. A "Bonds without roids" comment is pointless. Completely discredited. Even the woke media could not get him into the Hall of Fame and he is the "all time home run leader." Cough! GAG!!
@@randolphkersey5155yeah, because if there's one guy the media loves it's obviously Barry Bonds
Both were the best in their prime n time HR n walks period. ⚾️
Without Roids Bonds was an Alien with Roids he became an Inmortal walking cheat code as great as Ruth was what Bonds did is ridiculous considering the competition he faced compared to Ruth
Babe Ruth was an alien. A statistical anomaly in baseball. Never worked out in his life. Drank like a fish (so much that he died of throat cancer). He was just the perfect baseball player. 7 world series wins. 714 hrs. BA .342 and as a pitcher 26 scoreless world series innings .175 ERA in 1916. Babe Ruth was the greatest of all time
Ruth was the most dominant and its not even close. He had seasons where he hit more homeruns than entire teams.
Even balanced breakfast Bonds couldn't reach that kind of dominance let alone clean Barry.
He never had to pay at night, or travel to the west coast, or play against integrated teams...
@@iconpoet just like everyone else in the league at the time.
As time goes on our knowledge about the human body and what are the best techniques always advance. For that reason it's not fair to compare players directly across eras. The best way is how they stack up vs their peers. No one was better vs their peers than Ruth.
Let's not forget that Ruth was the best left-handed pitcher in the league before he gave that up for hitting full time. That should more than compensate for pre-roids Bonds' defense.
I forgot who said it but a comedian said “are you really the goat if you didn’t compete against black athletes” lol
@@nuknowledge9414 That's a fair point
@@nuknowledge9414 Hitting home runs you aren't playing against athletes. You're playing against a pitcher. Most pitchers are white.
Btw the centerfielder Van Slyke told Bonds to move in, he was playing too deep in left
He gave him the middle finger. Cabrera got a hit and Bonds was unable to throw out one of the slowest runners in mlb history
For that alone, Im going with Ruth. Bonds was a MOFO in the worst sense of the word
Bonds is better but babe is more iconic, he built the sport and built the Yankees the sports most iconic team too. Won tons of World Series when Bonds won 0. Context means everything.
I only know who babe Ruth is he has a candy bar named after him
Only biggest issue with the dominance of Babe Ruth is the level of competition. Most players from his era would likely fail to ever make the 40 man roster of any MLB team not named the White Sox or Athletics, let alone have big league careers. Babe was great for his time but dominance only matters based on whom you are dominating.
You are out of your mind.
@@Grizzlied555 I mean, in Ruths era we had nowhere near the sports science we have today, pitchers throw harder than ever for instance. Unless you believe the bs claims like the homerun distance record (self evident bs unless you believe Babe Ruth hit the ball harder than any player since we started tracking bat speed, and hit a pitch going at around 100 MPH), the eras are not even remotely comparable in terms of available talent.
@@gizmoman2388 Talent today is watered down. It is ridiculous. Tiny parks, juiced balls, peds. Some science. Babe played when the best athletes played baseball. He faced 42 hall of famers, a record which still stands. He did not cheat. He was natutally gifted. He was the best. Period. End of.
@@Grizzlied555 It is pretty clear that modern athletes are more athletic than athletes of the past (just look at the Olympics). So either you think it's all a conspiracy (in which case, please check in to your local asylum), or you somehow think the athletes of the past were centuries ahead in terms of ability. This is the same reason why the 40 Yard Dash has so many 4.2's in the 2000's compared to the 1900's inspite of the time gap.
@@gizmoman2388 Modern athletes are on drugs. Also changes in the sports themselves make it easier. Pulled in fences, shortened walls, juiced balls, extended seasons, etc etc. These athletes are on the juice. The athletes from the past set records legitimately. 'Nuff said.
Babe ruth faced pitchers who threw like 70 mph unlike all the generations way after him
Not they didn’t high 80’s- low 90’s. And they were throwing breaking balls back then also. The ball was much more dead than now too. I think the ball might have been a bit smaller too. I saw one of his home run balls in the HOF.
If you "normalize" Bonds career stats to more like what he would have been minus steroids.. he probably loses 100 home runs, 300 rbis and runs, 600 walks.. at least. . and his career batting average drops to around .285-.290. And all that clearly puts Ruth ahead of him. I think the only player that you could realistically make a case for over Ruth is Willie Mays.
Mays is not even close to Ruth. Be for real.
Although Barry Bonds is the greatest ballplayer I have seen in my lifetime. I got to give this one to the Babe, based on
1. His success as a pitcher as well as a hitter.
2. His 7 World Series rings to Bonds 0.
3. His career slash line of .342/.474/.690 to Bonds .298/.444/.607
Fair enough, Babe was unbelievable in more ways than one
I think bonds post season struggles are fair criticism i dont think the 7-0 is fair. Id choose more contemporary players outside of jeter not many other players have between 2-4.
Ruth homered more than entire teams.
It's not close.
off of 80 mph pitching in a segregated era.....Barry Bonds on the other hand has 28 more walks than swings and misses for the entire year. 120 walks vs 92 swings and misses.
You can’t compare a roided player with a non roided player who simply chewed tobacco and ate hot dogs.
babe ruth the best of all time
Say what you want about Bonds, he is the only player that can even be compared to Ruth, even if he comes up a bit short. And because baseball is so much harder now than it was a century ago, that is the last time we will ever see a player that literally breaks the game.
Jeter don't belong in the sentence with those greats
Can you imagine if Ruth, Aaron, Mays, Griffey or any other potent bat for their time used steroids?!
Aaron and Mays used amphetamines. So did Mantle and George Foster. Early peds.
Babe.
It's tough
I know Bonds wouldn't have played that good for that long if it weren't for steroids
Then you've got Ruth where the fastballs were 82-85 mph. He'd need to swing a lighter bat today. And Yankee Stadium is the best case scenario for a lefty power hitter. I don't think we know how far the majority of his homers went. But Bonds regularly hit them into the cove.
You can't really compare. You'll also get into how high the mound was. All day games. Long train rides...
I don't know
ruth absolutely dominated his time period, and nobody was really even close. during the bonds time, he was great, sure, but was he babe ruth great compared to others at his time. theres at least 5 players during bonds time, that could be considered better. bonds was better as he aged tho... ill give him that.
Nobody was in Bond's league when he was roiding from 00-04. He had a 600 obp one year.
dominated against white guys throwing 80 mph....He wouldnt last in todays game.
The babe is the greatest player of all time period . Barry bonds is the greatest hitter of all time period .
Babe also never: played at night, had to travel to the west coast,or played against integrated teams. All those are significant issues to never have to face
Exactly
Motherfucker would’ve got smacked, but I still fuck with that movie Disney done about his bat lmao
What a crock. He travelled by train so he spent 10 times MORE time travelling. Playing at night has nothing to do with anything, neither does skin color.
@@hyzercreek If skin color had nothing to do with anything most of your legends would not be as good as they are. When he traveled by train he went to cities like Chicago, Philly, Cincinnati which is not far from NYC. He never took a trip out to the Bay Area.
@@darrylbrown8253 Barry Bonds never walked on the moon. So what?
Babe Ruth never played against either blacks or latinos. Babe Ruth never batted against the array of pitches that exist now. And likely never faced fast balls anywhere near 100 mph. Babe Ruth was on a team with batters labeled murderous row and had 5 hall of famers outside of babe himself. He also played in an era in which there was between 15 to 23 other teams he competed against to win the championship, depending on the year. Bonds competed against 29 other teams and as far as I know never had more than 1 other hall of famer ever on his team. Bonds did face an array of pitches, did face fast balls topping 100 mph and obviously played against blacks, latinos and asians.
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I mean very few players have that kind of mystique about them. The list is pretty much, babe Ruth. MJ, tiger woods, Tom Brady, and Mohamed Ali.
Bonds was the better athlete on roids and ruth was the most dominant before black and latinos played
babe ruth is the best and the most dominant baseball player of all time
Except in World Series play. Mickey Mantle still holds 7 World Series records.
Bud Selig is in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds is not. Egregious.
This is more of a one-sided argument, because not only did they play in two different eras, BUT everyone today saw Bonds play and saw how he carried himself. Do you know who is alive today who got to see Ruth play and how he carried himself? Nobody. Of course Ruth wins the vote. Nobody can speak from their own personal experience or talk about how they met Ruth or saw him play. All you hear about is all the great stories of his homeruns and how he changed the game. Its easy to judge and chastise a man who is alive than a man who has been long dead.
There are literally tens of thousands of people still alive that could have witnessed Ruth play baseball. 🤷♂️
@@MRCANTGETANAME No way. That mightve been true a decade ago, but not so much today. The average adult (to even catch Ruth at the end of his career) would have to be well over a century old to have seen him play; and the average kid from that period would have to be nearing at least century old today themselves. Bonds was born in a different era anyhow. The media helped give Bonds a bad name. There's not enough to go on with Ruth. We know the good, bad and ugly of Bonds, and know only the good of Ruth. That's because of the different eras they played in. Bonds was criticized constantly, thanks to the media and the help of the internet. I'm sure if Ruth had played under the same circumstances, then we would also know the good, bad and ugly of Ruth. Look at Griffey....great guy...to some. If you look hard enough, though, you can find some bad and shady stories with Griffey. Everything nowadays is publicized. Ruth grew up in much simpler times and didn't have the technology and coverage we have today. That's why you find very little footage of Ruth, as well. It's just not a fair comparison, in my opinion.
In my eyes, Babe Ruth was better... the Babe got his numbers on beer and hotdogs. #Legend
Agreed, it's not even close in my book. Imagine the great Bambino on the juice....
@@dylanryan8241you’re looking at it backwards. Bonds would have hit 1000+ hr playing against mid 80s fastball pitching white guys from one region in the world and it ain’t even close!
@@kokkari37
Then why weren’t others putting up stats like Ruth’s if you think it was so easy? 😠
Ruth was a fantastic pitcher well before becoming an outfielder. He revolutionized the game, and became a 20th Century icon.
Bonds was a pariah before PED use became the go-to dope for cheaters; unliked/avoided in the clubhouse for his egotistical attitude. He became the poster boy for cheating, wresting that stain from Canseco. Comparing him to Ruth ought to be a crime.
@@GizmoBeach did the word “easy” ever come out of my mouth? If you think Ruth could swing his 45oz bat in today’s game you are delusional. Today’s “world talent” would destroy Ruth era pitching and also Ruth as a pitcher. The skill set doesn’t even compare. Look up what the average fastball was based on known video analysis from Ruth’s time. It’s silly!
Garbage, Barry is clearly vetter than Ruth.
You cant talk about the greatest in the game and just discount Barry's steroid use. No different than saying someone added 100 home runs on Babe Ruth's stat sheet, but were still gonna count those anyways. Barry and steroids are inseparable, especially if youre bring up the GOAT conversation. The roids actually take him out of the conversation. Without the juice hes an above average player, just like his dad. And both of them are nowhere near great.
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@@ChuckNorbit W skate
This is the crux of the problem. 90% of your portion of Babe Ruth is wrapped up in so much nostalgia so that even his worst quality: gluttony, is made to appear cool. On the other hand when he t came to Bobds, there os NOT ONE positive comment about Bonds the man. Just Bonds the player.
Greatest hitter ive ever seen.
I agree, Stan Musial was out of this world
@@TapirBaseball were definitely talking about 2 different players, Bonds is the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Not just the HR, the hitting, walks aside from Intentional walks, did the 'steriods" enhance his eye coordination. Canseco, Mcguire, Manny. None of this power hitters come close to what Bonds did at the plate.
Bonds wins this one easily. Bonds played against better pitchers.
This shouldnt be a conversation, its Bonda all the way. Babe Ruth played in an era of segregation. So, you figure half the pitchers he faced may not have been MLB starters had the league allowed everyone to play. His pitching accolades are incredible, dont get me wrong, but Babe's fame is based off his offensive output.
Babe played against 42 hall of famers, the MLB record. He was clean. Bonds, on the other hand.... not clean.
You lost me at "I know Barry Bonds did steroids". Actually, you speculate, guess, assume or think he did. No failed test and no first hand accounts of this happening. On top of that, you have no idea what the Babe or any other player may or may not have done. Aaron hit more homeruns in his 30's than his 20's. His 30's had the intro of some interesting drugs.
Not comparable really Ruth only played against one races talent and never faced specialists like Bonds. I know the steroids thing but there’s whispers of Ruth using substances too, I’m not a fan of Bonds but he would absolutely shit on Ruth’s era and Ruth would have no shot
Barry did it with steroids but The Babe did it hungover
and non athletic white pitchers throwing 80 mph.
agree babe ruth is the goat and by far
Babe Ruth changed the game in ways no other player has. Stats like WAR take into account the league environment players played in, that's why those stats are so good. Anyone that doesn't say Ruth is the best baseball player ever doesn't know baseball history.
Stop the war nonsense! It's useless. His extremely overrated. You don't know shit about baseball. He went against milk workers
@jboi6398you and this guy dk nothing about baseball
Hockey does not have it figured out, many people rank Bobby Orr as the best.
Bonds was definitely a better athlete, but he was a TOTAL JERK off the field. Babe Ruth was loved by EVERYONE. So it kinda depends on if you are going to include their personality in with their performance on the field. If you DO, then Babe was better. If personality isn’t a factor then Bonds was better.
Definitely Bonds, even without PED’S
babe is the goat by far . barry is so trash he even win a single world series
@@jacknicholson8246 Ok but Babe Ruth won World Series with a legendary lineup and back when they threw absolute meatballs
@@jacknicholson8246 agree babe is the goat and by fra plus babe can pitch
Barry Bonds is basically what Babe Ruth would have been like if He wasn’t so ahead of His time.
"I KNOW Barry Bonds' used steroids " You lost your credibility right there. I mean, the man, after YEARS of investigation and millions of dollars, he won the case. If that is not proof he DIDN'T, then I don't know what to tell you.
Determining who is the greatest of all time will always be a matter of taste.
Absolutely, I think both players have valid arguments and it really just turns into what you as an individual value more.
@@TapirBaseballNO ONE WHO USES PED'S HAS A VALID ARGUMENT! BONDS IS CHEATING SCUM NOTHING MORE!
I have the Bambino all day everyday over Bonds.
You weren't even born in Babe Ruth time. He suck compared to Barry Bonds
@@mastermace7770😂😂😂 exactly
@@mastermace7770No Bonds is overrated especially as a hitter sorry. Don’t forget Bonds always sucked in the playoffs and could never hit when it mattered most.
How can you not talk about Bonds and roids? With that logic Lance Armstrong is the greatest cyclist of all time. Ben Johnson is the greatest Olympian of all time. Make it make sense.
You are fair in saying this, but I personally felt like I would only be repeating what every other conversation about Bonds turns into. I am not trying to persuade anyone against having this opinion but I just didn't think it made for very entertaining talking points to mention something that every baseball fan already knows. Like I said, I think you are justified in saying this but I just didn't feel the need to say everything that has already been said over the last 20 years. I appreciate the comment and I am happy to see the passion for the game.
Diff athletes in diff sports using diff substances. Not at all an apples to apples comparison
When did Bonds test positive for steroids?
@@TapirBaseball I totally appreciate that you listened to my argument. To me it's a pointless conversation. Not only that I feel it detracts from Griffey's 56 in a strike shortened season or Aaron's 755. I'm still on the fence with Judge's 62. It's going to take time before I acknowledge it. My heart still hurts from McGwire, Sosa, and yes, Bonds with PEDs. They should be first ballots but they're not. Well, maybe not Sosa. I totally appreciate the all around well made video. I'll watch more!
@@MRCANTGETANAMEThe "first" time was November 2000. 3 years before MLB implemented wide range testing. Thanks Google.
The narrator apparently never heard of Ted Williams.
Ted deserves his own video. Arguably would of been the greatest ever if military service didn't take away prime years.
Ruth had to hit against drunk farmers throwing 75 mph fastballs in a league of 8 teams with limited travel. Most of his stories are tall tales like hitting 500 foot homers, u believe that judging by his choppy swing and the low velocity pitches well then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya! Compare their swings and look at Barry's walk stats.. He got maybe 1 pitch to hit a game and sent it yard. He would get walked with the bases loaded ffs. Barry is the best hitter in history.
The LeBron vs Jordan GOAT debate has been talked about ever since Kobe passed. Before Kobe passed it was always a Kobe vs Jordan debate, with LeBron a distance second in the debate. They knew Kobe was going to come out of retirement and show LeBron up and proove LeBron doesn't belong in the conversation.
21:00 you can! Barry was way ahead. Babe is extremely overrated
I go back and forth on the roids thing, but lately, I've been furious with Bonds again.
He began a grand science experiment that resulted in utterly unfathomable baseball success. I hate it.
Ruth is still the GOAT.
Ruth didn't have to face any black pitchers. Not saying it was his fault, but it is what it is.
Your point?
I'm tired of hearing about Ruth. Played against a small group. Bonds had stats that Noone ever had. See the ball hit the ball. Bonds exposed baseballs Achilles heal. The intentional walk.
Wow at 1:42..Babe Ruth looks like he's having a baby...With that huge belly..
Babe was an innovator and he’s more outstanding with his numbers, but Bonds played in a crammed, super competitive, scouted, steroid enhanced era. And he separated himself so far from all the other mega talent that it’s clear to say he’s the greatest to play. Ruth is a fun tale you tell your kids about how he pointed this way and the ball went that way, but he’s not Barry
Babe ruth el mejor
barry was great before roids but after roids he became ruth..
Those numbers at 12:12 are nowhere near amazing. Theyre average. Maybe the tiniest above average
Ruth went against milk workèrs and barry elite with them being sauce up. You can't compared. 0:29 no. Barry bonds is way ahead of babe. Babe is not second bud not even close
Ruth played against 42 hall of famers. The mlb record.
Bonds over Ruth and it isn’t even close.
I also think that in a couple years, we’ll be discussing Ohtani’s place in this race, since what he is doing is still being done and he’s doing is so goddamn well.
Bonds, for the time being, is the greatest to do it, if you don’t consider HOW he did things.
If he’d never done the juice, he still had a natural talent that’s unbelievable. His ability to hit the ball was not something steroids helped.
Babe Ruth woulnd’t have stayed on a roster in the same era as Bonds, or today.
Bonds, however, in Babe Ruth’s time, would have almost certainly hit over 100 home runs for multiple seasons in a row.
Ohtani's story is still being written and even as a Giants fan I am very much looking forward to him in the postseason.
I agree
So you are perfectly okay with all the cheating?