The history of the Irish Travelling Community is fascinating. I would definitely recommend to look into it! It’s birth tied almost directly to colonisation and since then the community has become its own ethnic group in Ireland, developing an almost entirely different culture, language and tradition!
Please correct me if I’m wrong! Travellers in Ireland came about from English landowners forcing Irish farmers off their land to convert the fields for sheep grazing as that was more profitable for the absentee landowners.
And they are extremely marginalized in Ireland - the European commission found that they're the most openly discriminated against ethnic group in Europe (for example over half of employers say they would not hire Irish travellers specifically because they are travellers, regardless of whether or not they were suitable for the role)
It's sad, it starts with injustice and then discrimination follows. Hopefully in the future humanity reaches a higher level of consciousness, we really need to.
@@theveryfirstlostgirl I agree, but would like to add some nuance. Currently some people are pushing the idea that mentioning a problematic word is as bad as using it. In my opinion this is taking things too far, resulting in constructions such as "the N word" and "the other N word", making communication difficult. I don't buy the idea that the mere mention of such a word traumatizes people or whatever the official narrative is. On the other hand, some people abused the use-mention distinction and kept mentioning such words conspicuously in order to provoke. So it's not as simple as "mentioning is always OK, only using is problematic". As always, it's best to be reasonable about these things. The OP here clearly _mentioned_ the word innocently and only once, even in a context in which there was no reasonable alternative to express the same thought clearly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
My daughter is half Romani from Bulgaria. The prejudice is so bad against them there that she would vehemently deny her Romani heritage for years. We did everything we could to show her the beauty of the culture and 15 years later is more open to accepting that part of herself. I’m so glad I found this channel so I can share these videos with her and her children.
I’m a uk traveller (of Romany decent) and we live on the road, travel in a vehicle and a convoy of horses and wagons. Thank you for talking about this! Would be really amazing to hear you cover the recent UK law changes to GRT communities. Especially the “police offers should take care not to gold plate human rights” sections.
It's awful what people put you though as a travelling people! All of the problems with travelling communities could be solved if proper traveller sites were set aside, but councils won't let people do it. I've known a couple of people near where I grew up who tried to set up sites on their own land (!) So that travellers wouldn't have to roll up onto the playing fields in the area, but the council stopped them! It's an awful racism, and one that even the "woke" crowd sometimes suffers from.
I remember looking up planning laws not long ago and at least in some areas (uk) there is actually law in housing guidance/land use that states land must be set aside for use by travellers which I thought was pretty cool - I don't know if this is the case for all places though but hopefully this means things will change
@@victoriawalker7792 used to live on a private site alongside an irish traveller family that rented out the extra units. Council shut them down for being 'blight on the area' even though it was in the middle of an industrial park. This is from one of the more traveller friendly councils (Great Yarmouth, due to lots of the pier being built by the circus travellers)
I'm actually really glad you finally said aloud that the G word is a slur. Makes me feel less crazy if I'm echoing a Romani voice rather than just going by what I understand of it when I tell people it's a slur.
I appreciate this channel so much. I hope you realize how far your videos have reached, how many people you’ve taught about your beautiful culture. It’s a wonderful thing and your ancestors are smiling at you. I unfortunately only grew up with the TLC shows, and hearing things about thefts from the hospital by ‘Gypsies’. It’s wrong those are the main representations here. There’s so much more to the people and culture.
As someone who is of Irish and Romani heritage, I really appreciate this . There are interesting things in history that may have connected some of these groups in others eyes, for example , I heard that when my family from Serbia /Kosovo area immigrated to America , they got an opportunity to change their last name to an Irish one … interesting right? Irish people were treated poorly at this time , but definitely not treated as bad as darker skinned Romani people and other ethnic groups at the time . They may have thought it was a step up in society to take the Irish name . I still have this last name , and it’s funny bc it’s not even a real Irish last name but was made to sound Irish 😅
I have traveller family, we are definitely NOT Romani! But the crazy part to me is that in the UK, people have a lot more respect for Romani people because they’re considered a “real” nation-less ethnic group like Jewish people were before the invasion of Palestine. There’s a real prejudice towards White travellers and an association with criminality even in otherwise liberal people. I think people just see Irish travellers as the bad irish. My traveller family don’t actually travel so much these days, but they still have a very separate culture and way of life to my Cork family.
My great grandmother was an Irish traveller that had a child (my grandpa) with a romani man, but her family was very racist, they forced her to leave him and set her up with an arranged marriage to somebody else. My grandpa stayed with her but he was always the black sheep of the family, even as a kid I used to wonder why his sisters and brother would never talk to him, never even get close to him. It wasn't until I started asking questions when my grandmother was last here she told me the truth. Crazy times, honestly I'm ashamed so much of my family were/possibly still are very racist
It’s so crazy that groups that face racism and discrimination show the same racism/bigotry towards other ethnic groups. When are people going to learn that it’s all nonsense? I don’t think it will ever go away and I am sad about that.
@@jujutrini8412 as messed up as it is I think the main reason is the core issue of bullying. "If I become the bully I will not be bullied". This is also why poc who have been white passing historically have pretended to be white because sadly "it was better to be white" and that has shaped alot of culture. In that from my own family experiences of my Traveller relatives there are definitely racist, and often they are very shitty in other ways to their own people as well, as its all about keeping their tiny bit of power. It leaves me torn, there is certain draws to my heritage but there is so much I noped out of I'm happy enough being rejected and considered settled/no longer a part of my traveller family.
I'd only ever heard of Irish Travellers until I was about 20 when I moved to Glasgow, there's a large Romani population in the South Side of Glasgow. I lived in an area that's mainly Romani people and Pakistani/Scottish-Pakistani people. I'm originally from a rural area of Scotland, and Irish Travellers would come to my village with their caravans and stay in a nearby field for a few weeks in the summer. Sometimes they bring sheep and leave them here in an unused field for a few months before returning to get their sheep, they gave my friend a horse in exchange for use of one of her family's fields.
I live in the south side at the moment and have not spotted this community, which area? Im planning to be here for a little while :) it's my first time being in scotland and what an experience!
@@theboujieproletariatI live in Scotland and I'm glad u like it here :) I'm in the south region and while I havnt seen any romani people here, we do have travelers every few weeks but u need to be weary The ones that visit here will try and swindle you for every penny you have, not every "booth" is that way but there was a t-shirt one that was very overpriced and would keep lowering the price the more we refused They are lovely shirts but just don't get caught in the guilt tripping they sometimes do I know we used to have romani people here, I knew an elderly lady who would buy clothes pins and other such things when they came She's sadly passed now but we have her pins and they still work! They must be around or over 50 years old!
@@theboujieproletariatGovanhill has a few thousand s Roma,from Eastern Europe,they don’t believe in working legit and paying taxes,and are inti every crime you can think of
@@johnmcdonald9295this is unacceptable. What is anyone to do when they aren't even given a chance? Put yourself in their shoes and walk their path, I challenge you go do that. Go on, after that comment. I hope you go through what they go through, it'll make you a better person and a wiser soul.
descendant of irish travellers here ! your channel is amazing and informative, people don’t seem to realise we have completely different cultures, traditions and languages- the fact people still group us together as “gypsies” and don’t know the difference is insane ! thank you for educating everyone Florian.
I’ve been called a gypsy in a negative sense my whole life a I didn’t even know why. I am of Irish decent and very European looking for lack of better terms. People have said because I’m poor or that I have longer hair and do combat sports. I didn’t know what it was until now, and I can say I don’t fall into the category, thank you.
Oh my God, you just explained away my immense confusion I'd had with your videos from my own insular experience. In NZ, my friends were Rominchal diaspora. Never heard this distinction. This makes so much sense now!! I know people shit on short form video, but I would've never known the distinction without you. Peace and love, you're gorgeous, and I love you x
This is important information to understand, especially for an American. There are Travelers in the Southern States, from what I've been told. Travelers will also being called "gypsy" as a slur, at least in the American South. This does not mean they are the same, just that they may be called the same slur.
I remember getting into an argument with my teacher over her telling the class that Roma and Travellers are the exact same and therefore Roma are white- we weren't even in the UK, we were in the US. To make it worse this was a holocaust class that was specifically trying to examine the experiences of all groups impacted- though she said some offensive crap about other groups as well, her teaching on the Roma and Sinti was particularly abysmal.
I’m so glad someone finally said this!! I was born and raised with my sudanese family in Ireland and everytime I explain to them that Romani and Travellers are two different things, they still scratch their heads and act ignorant about it.
Is it spelled Romany or Romani? I love your videos, they’re so informative! Can you do a video on colour meanings at events, like the bride wearing white or black at funerals?
My grandpa passed as white for the most part but he got made fun of when he was in the Vietnam war. They called him racial slurs from native americans because his skin color made him stand out. His family is Romanichal from England.
Thanks so much for your videos. They are really educational. As a Brit, I do agree that lumping all traveller groups with Romani is confusing. They are separate groups with their own histories. The Irish Travelling Community have also experienced a lot of structural discrimination, which continues to this day, especially under our right wing government.
Thanks for the 'and Ireland' part, haha yes travellers are primarily Irish and most of Ireland is not in the UK (it's very confusing). I don't think that people use the same language for both groups in Ireland, I'm not sure how accepting people are of Roma people being distinct in their origin. I don't know if they try to minimise that, it could be, but I don't think that we have travellers and Roma people too mixed up (Irish surnames that are common among travellers might get us excluded from a reservation at an English resort). However, I am aware that travellers who describe themselves as a separate ethnic group get a lot of flack. People don't like to be called out for discrimination. I think that Roma and travellers both traditionally work with tin and scrap metal, but I don't have it clear whether this is really true about Romani people.
In Sweden the term for Roma has been "zigenare" (German origin) but we have also had a traveller population called "tattare", sometimes with a thought that they were foreigners with an Eastern origin (Tatars), but later studies have concluded that they are indigenous. Both the words above today is considered offensive. Roma and resande (travelling) are used as the proper terms.
There is nothing wrong with being a nomad whatsoever, The problem comes when you stereotype an entire group like the Romani. Thank you again Florian for an AMAZING short.
It's not just the Romani people who are stereotyped. Nomadic groups like the travellers of European descent in the UK, and the Jenische in German-speaking countries, are similarly victims of stereotypes. It may be slightly better because the racial element is missing or isn't as strong; if they want, they can blend in. On the other hand, they are also not being romanticised in the same way. Speaking of blending in, I just read that apparently the Romani in Switzerland tend to have a pretty good life nowadays by blending in, with problems arising only if they out themselves. I guess this works somehow because Switzerland is a wealthy, multi-ethnic, multilingual country with lots of (often temporary) immigrants. But it does sound as if they had to give up part of their culture. People in Switzerland have recently started to be aware that until the 1970s, there was a silent genocide committed against the Jenische. Families stereotyped as criminal (sometimes just because they were not sedentary) were deprived of their children, who then grew up either with foster parents in mainstream society or in children's homes. Either way, many were being maltreated and exploited. It's not much consolation for the families destroyed by the charity that organized this with donation money (Kinder der Landstraße, i.e., Children of the Highway) that the Romani were treated even worse. There are far more Jenische in tiny Switzerland than in Germany, and I am pretty sure that's because most didn't survive the Holocaust. After all, it wasn't just directed against Jews, not just against Jews and Romani people, but against Jews, Romani people and 'antisocials'. As important as the differences are, I think it's important for all groups with a nomadic lifestyle in Europe to embrace the fact that while they may sometimes be competing for the same scarce resources and no doubt have legitimate gripes with each other, in their relation to the mainstream societies they are natural allies and need to work together. They need every last bit of leverage they can get; even so it will never be enough.
@@johaquila thank you for bringing up the fact that many don’t know … so so many Romani lives were lost during the holocaust. In addition to so many people of color regardless of where they came from
Going back to the Celt era, the Travellers were actually a very important part of society. They lived outside the Celt villages ,as they were entrusted with the responsibility of patrolling the perimeters, protecting the various clans. The history of their past is one of pride, sadly the connection between the Travellers and the people in the villages faded away over generations.
Who elsd gets excited when Florian uploads? I love learning about your culture. It's beautiful and its history needs to be preserved and taught. You're doing excellent work
the irish were a nomadic people till the english forced them to stop, part of what motivated their hatred of the folks indigenous to the americas was that they reminded them of the irish so much, as many of them also moved to follow seasonal farming/foraging times. (tho i think thats not true nomadic, but has another term i can't remember now?) makes sense theyd refuse to even acknowledge that theres a big difference in culture with cultures they want gone
The Irish weren’t nomadic before the english arrived lmao they were an advanced civilisation with their own settlements, cities, nobility and laws. Not to mention that the vikings and normans invaded Ireland before the english even got there (even still the Irish were never nomadic). English colonisers forced the native Irish to change many aspects of their traditional way of life but this wasn’t one of them. Idk where you got this info from but it’s complete bs
@@romarose the original comment said “the Irish” not “Irish travellers”. You’re not the person who commented that so I think we can leave it to them to explain what they meant
@@romarose the original comment has very little to do with the topic of the video and is clearly talking about all Irish people (and even if they weren’t they’d still be wrong)
Thank you thank you so much for this as a Romani. I really appreciate you all your work it’s amazing please do more videos on our culture. All my love from London ❤❤❤❤❤❤
It's complicated, many Romani people in Britain can look quite 'white'. I have Kale family and they look like many other Welsh people but have their own language and culture, were raised in Vardos etc. There have been Romani people in Britain for over 500 years on record but in the 20th century it was mostly forbidden for Romani groups to travel their traditional circuits in Britain and so settlements were created that forced Romanichal and "Travelers" to live in the camp sites together.
The Irish travelling community recieve so much hate for their culture and ethnicity, and I remember in school they were even discriminated and taken out of class to be taught separately because 'they wouldn't stay long anyway' and I was one of the students taken out of class to teach them because we were in a year that didnt matter and those people were so sweet and the shit they get was heartbreaking
DUDE! I should be paying for this content! How can I support you, your link tree doesn’t have a patreon?? I’m from Serbia, our biggest “minority” that experiences skin colour based racism is Romani. I get a lot of easy accessible education on for example issues of people of colour in the US, but barely any in my country. I follow a few national Roma NGOs and that’s about it, but they have to focus on specific problems so i dont blame them not spending time and resources on educating us white serbian kids . I used to volunteer at a shelter and tutored kids in maths, but rarely did i get to learn about the culture in the bigger picture This is why I am so grateful for your content So yes sorry for long comment and i doubt you will even read this but just thank you so much!!!
Great video. As an irish person. I just want to say your pictures showing a difference in hair and skin tone between Irish travellers and romani people vary for all travellers. A lot of irish travellers have naturally dark hair and skin. They're is a massive misconception that Irish people in general, are thought to be red heads etc. When, in fact, many of us irish have dark hair and some dark features. I think that's where a lot of the confusion is. 😊
It's so weird to think that if you were in india rn, I probably wouldn't be able to distinguish you apart from others. Especially if we talk about northern India. Even after so many centuries, we still look alike.
Sadly in India banjaras, related to the European Roma still face caste prejudice alongside Adivasis and Dalits, so I'm less sure that fraternity feeling is actually there. Oppressor castes in South Asia always find a way to discriminate
@@florida.florian He almost moved to America because of how racist they are towards travellers in England. Here he’s just seen as an English guy of Irish descent. The Irish diaspora seems to have less bigoted views towards Irish travellers specifically in my experience than our cousins across the pond.
So glad you covered this! Living in the uk I haft to deel with a lot of offhandedly comments surrounding this The amount of times I answer that I’m Romani and people correct me and say gypsy/traveler. I just can’t if you’re gonna be ignorant do it else where. My mother absolutely despises being called a traveler. she deems it erasure of the struggles we have perused as a people and ignorant as the Roma don’t just travel we’re removed of forced to leave.
Thank you! We never would’ve been “travelers” if our original country hadn’t cast us out like many other countries continued to do later on. I feel we’re the one “globally oppressed” race. I’m a descendent, of course, and yet I still get gypsy stereotypes and racism thrown at me from all races. It’s no wonder we hide our language from gadjas
Nobody is discriminating. They are making distinctions between white people that have appropriated aspects of a culture , or let the rest of society make confounding assumptions thar often leave darker skinned people receiving the brunt of hateful actions , while those white passing get to benefit from those privileges
@@baby.nay.you need to open your eyes. What exactly have Europeans appropriated from other cultures? Because you need to look at what other cultures have appropriated from Europeans. Which is basically everything in most non European countries. When they give up their cars, roads, hospitals, universities, TV's, smart phones, electricity, dams, schools, etc. and return to their primitive ancestral lifestyle of hunting and gathering, living naked in the bush, then they can speak about what Europeans have appropriated from their stone age existence.
Never knew that the word 'gypsy' was a slur bc i never associated anything negative with them. Absolutely tragic to learn how they have been treated. Thank you for your eloquence and explanations for us!
To give example: mostly fallen out of use but the word gyp(jip) came about because of the word Gypsy and it was used to claim that you were cheated or had been swindled by a Gypsy. But there are many very negative connotations about the various ethnic groups that are mashed together under this term if you look at history.
I'm addicted to this channel. Everyday I learn a new thing. I never knew that Travellers are not the same as Romanichal; I've always heard both terms used interchangeably.
This helped me a lot. Saw a video recently talking about Roma persecution, but was confused by the clearly European girl in the thumbnail. I initially thought they were just another sect of Romani, but with more European blood and culture, but this cleared it up. Thank you!!
As a latine, THANK YOU for introducing me to the word racialization!! Just because Latinos (not including afro Latinos or indigenous Latinos) are “technically” white doesn’t mean we’re treated that way! It’s important to remember that racism doesn’t actually care about who you are, only what it ascribes to you.
Such a beautiful, culturally rich, and yet persecuted history. There is a wonderful community of Romani here in the SF Bay Area in the area where I grew up. My mom was a single mom (left a very abusive marriage) with five kids. They were so wonderful to us from the moment we moved into the neighborhood (1980),and still look in on my mom at least once a day now that all of us kids have scattered across the country. Absolutely love them all like family.
For Those who don't know, - Brad Pitt's Character in 'Snatch' is supposed to be "Irish Traveller" Gypsy. - Tommy Shelby's Character From Peaky Blinders is a "Romani Gypsy". Two different groups.
related: I saw a comment on a clip from the movie Snatch the other day where a woman said the movie was the reason she named her dog "Pikey" 😭 like she named her dog that specific slur for what???
@@MCKevin289 Yes, He's got Irish Traveller Blood As Well, His Grandma (On his father's side) happened to be an Irish Traveller, Making him a quarter-Irish Traveller himself. But overall, Shelby Family's Supposed to be Romani. Unlike Brad's character in Snatch which is a representation of an Irish Traveller chap.
This gets even more complex in countries where the historical romani population has been significantly mixed with the indigenous population. To the point that they mostly have non romani surnames etc.
Historian of Irish history here! The g-word is also a slur towards Irish travellers. They’re descended from Irish people who were displaced by Cromwell’s genocide and are heavily discriminated against in England and Ireland and have similar stereotypes as the Romani.
South Asia is a term recently coined by western media, according to them, whatever good happens is done by south asia, and whatever bad happens is of indian origin. It would be appropriate if you use the term indian subcontinent, that's what it has always been called.
Eh the term South Asia is just more inclusive of all the countries that exist within it, so they don't feel erased. Think about how we address other regions--East Europe, West Africa, etc. The directions just help. From a Western or American perspective, I would argue that many of us think of Pakistan, unfortunately, when imagining a bad situation.
@@Cindy99765 it is inclusive but is being used for propaganda, and i really appreciate that you are so aware, but everyone isn't, and all the countries in south asia were always called as indian subcontinent, because it's same culture and all the countries were united unless foreign invaders plundered. And none of those countries feel erased at being called indian subcontinent, rather there was point when these countries wanted to be merged back, but you know politics.
Yeah kind of right. Some Roma in Scotland called themselves traveller’s because it doesn’t have the same negative connotation that the gypsy slur has. Romani that migrated earlier and have been here for a few generations generally refer to themselves as travellers though the large and pretty new community in govanhill Glasgow refering to themselves as Roma romani ect. The use of traveller and roma are to some extent an attempt to escape a negative perscriptive identity placed on them and the difference in those cases is to do with when that particular group settled here. It’s interesting there are four distinct nomadic groups in Scotland abd as I understand two of them are Roma that migrated here in different periods.
Always annoyed me when people like Tyson fury calls himself the gypseyking when his ancestors were Irish travellers who chose to travel whilst Romani were forced out of India by Mahmud of ghazni and oppressed through their whole travel and to this day by whites
I’m a historian of Irish history. The travellers were also forced off their land by the cromwellian genocide. They did not chose to travel! They are called that because racist English people thought they were the same thing as the Romani and used it as a blanket term. So, Tyson Fury adopted it to reclaim it at least for the traveling folk.
The Romani are such beautiful people. They have their own striking beauty and their traditional dances and clothing are an art in themselves. The Travellers are a culture who have their own traditions with horses and caravans, as well as dance and song and all are done in the spirited way their people live. Both cultures are facing challenges. Racism. Hate. They are both unique and interesting in their own respective ways but are completely different. The Romani are the people I think of when I hear the word gypsy but now I’ve learned the right way to address them 😊 thank you ❤
Thank you for educating on REAL travelers (vs the TLC version). They too have historically not been allowed to settle but also prevented from traveling. It's really criminal how both groups, Romani & Traveler groups have been treated by WASPS, especially.
I am BEYOND grateful that you made this video. I have been saying this for yrs. Since " my big fat gypsy wedding" came out on TV. I am a half Roma Gypsy and half white. My mother has very dark skin and would never act like nor wear the clothing the travelers wear. And the language is absolutely in no way similar
My grandmother was an Irish traveler and she was such an amazing and interesting woman. She married my grandfather a couple years after her family moved to the United States. She was proud of her family and heritage but I think a part of her was glad to not be as nomadic as she was as a child.
Okay I'm not sure if you've made a video on it, and I'm sure I already know where the opinion is gonna go, but what are your thoughts on Peaky Blinders' use of Romani culture in the show?
I’m wondering why you are ok using the word “Gitano” which means Gypsy In Spanish, but your opposed to using the word gypsy in English? A lot of Spanish Romani use the word gitano(a) in their music. The Gipsy kings use the word in their own name, I’m thinking of the song by India Martinez “amor a la gitana”, “soy gitano” by Camarón de la isla. The list goes on. Some people seem to be ok with it. How do you reconcile using the Spanish word vs the English word.
Travellers have also historically been discriminated against and many of them have gone extinct or have lost a lot of their language and culture. I think it's important to protect all traveller groups, many of them are small and that makes them more vulnerable. Roma are many and while we are also divided into smaller groups we still have the protection of the wider community. Small traveller groups often get lumped in with roma by outsiders, but I think we should help support them in being recognised as their own people instead of pushing them away as if they are just like the other outsiders. They are not roma, but they are not our enemy. The world is too big and hostile already. My grandfather would always talk poorly about travellers, as if they are beneath us. It always made me sad because it's the same way many outsiders talk about us. Growing up in Europe is not easy for roma and travellers alike.
Important to note though is that though travellers and romani are distinctly different groups, both groups have had to suffer a lot of oppression (and still do). Also interesting to note is that some groups of travellers may have some romani ancestry as well.
Can you explain the people featured in the reality TV shows about weddings? The ones who are here in the USA? They claim to be Romani but appear to look more like the Travelers you mention in this video.
@@hhdgdhumHe’s Irish but a gypsy. No one in Europe views gypsy as a race this is some bizzare American misconception. 99% of people have no idea who the Roma are they just view travelling people as gypsies. If the guy in these videos went to a school or workplace most would assume he’s Indian not Roma.
When you study indo European culture the vast majority of Europeans Ethnicity with "male linage "are central asian or western indian originated , Croatia who are balto slavs they call afghanistan and greator punjab region as their motherland ( they call their people originally haravatka / haraxvatya which is iranic term for sarasawat region ( mostly east afghanistan and greater punjab)
Croats are ancient Iranics (not Indian). Their modern male dress is very similar to Khorasan i Iranian dress, and musical elements are also similar. Furthermore, they have another wave of Iranic ancestry via the Scythians. Again, not Indian.
Oh Florian! You did it again! Such great content 🙏🏻 I’m a mix of Celtic nations and some Asian nations (including a bit of south Asian/Indian) so to hear about both of these beautiful cultures is so special! Please keep being so awesome! 💜 thank you!
As a czech and slovakian gypsy i can confirm that gypsys came from northan india and were called gypsys mistaking us to egyptians due to our skin and facial features
So was it the Romani people who bred the Vanner horses, or is that just a misconception due to the breeds full name? (I can’t find any reliable sources on the topic)
I love the content you make so much; learning about different ethnic groups, thier culture, language, and history is so beneficial in making social connections. From my experience, people from a different ethnic group and/or country appreciate when you make an effort to participate and appreciate their culture. For example, when I met my italian exchange friends in college, I had a crude grasp of thier language and culture. When I met them, I made more of an effort to learn more about thier language. When I was able to pick up on a new word in conversation, they were so happy and proud that I was learning! The learning experience is one I wish I had growing up; history is boring and horrific when it only focuses on the White American Experience™️. TLDR: EDUCATE, NOT DISCRIMINATE.
Thank you for this video. I really think Peaky Blinders should have stuck to Irish Travelers rather than pretending to have Romani People in their show. 🤦
you should do one with Russia. we have some fetish about Romani in old films and cartoons. but we also had a lot of Romani artists and Romani music is certainly heavily woven into Russian culture. and actually were taught about their plight and history.
The history of the Irish Travelling Community is fascinating. I would definitely recommend to look into it! It’s birth tied almost directly to colonisation and since then the community has become its own ethnic group in Ireland, developing an almost entirely different culture, language and tradition!
He doesn't care about White people as much. No heart for you.
Please correct me if I’m wrong! Travellers in Ireland came about from English landowners forcing Irish farmers off their land to convert the fields for sheep grazing as that was more profitable for the absentee landowners.
That was what I heard - that they were dispossessed Irish poor folk.
And they are extremely marginalized in Ireland - the European commission found that they're the most openly discriminated against ethnic group in Europe (for example over half of employers say they would not hire Irish travellers specifically because they are travellers, regardless of whether or not they were suitable for the role)
It's sad, it starts with injustice and then discrimination follows. Hopefully in the future humanity reaches a higher level of consciousness, we really need to.
I’d only ever heard of Romani travellers. It’s amazing how many diverse groups there are. Thank you for continuing to educate Florian! 🙏
Yup, growing up all of these groups were referred to as" gypsies " even tho there was a clear difference in appearance and culture
Thats an offensive word, try not to use it when referring to the Roma people.
@@jackwhitbread4583The man can use whatever word he likes.
@@jackwhitbread4583 She’s talking about hearing it quoted. Hence the quotes. Not using it herself
@@theveryfirstlostgirl I agree, but would like to add some nuance. Currently some people are pushing the idea that mentioning a problematic word is as bad as using it. In my opinion this is taking things too far, resulting in constructions such as "the N word" and "the other N word", making communication difficult. I don't buy the idea that the mere mention of such a word traumatizes people or whatever the official narrative is. On the other hand, some people abused the use-mention distinction and kept mentioning such words conspicuously in order to provoke. So it's not as simple as "mentioning is always OK, only using is problematic". As always, it's best to be reasonable about these things. The OP here clearly _mentioned_ the word innocently and only once, even in a context in which there was no reasonable alternative to express the same thought clearly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
@@jackwhitbread4583Travellers of the British Isles refer to themselves as gypsies... The Roma know better!
My daughter is half Romani from Bulgaria. The prejudice is so bad against them there that she would vehemently deny her Romani heritage for years. We did everything we could to show her the beauty of the culture and 15 years later is more open to accepting that part of herself.
I’m so glad I found this channel so I can share these videos with her and her children.
I hope that sharing helped
I’m a uk traveller (of Romany decent) and we live on the road, travel in a vehicle and a convoy of horses and wagons. Thank you for talking about this! Would be really amazing to hear you cover the recent UK law changes to GRT communities. Especially the “police offers should take care not to gold plate human rights” sections.
It's awful what people put you though as a travelling people!
All of the problems with travelling communities could be solved if proper traveller sites were set aside, but councils won't let people do it. I've known a couple of people near where I grew up who tried to set up sites on their own land (!) So that travellers wouldn't have to roll up onto the playing fields in the area, but the council stopped them!
It's an awful racism, and one that even the "woke" crowd sometimes suffers from.
I remember looking up planning laws not long ago and at least in some areas (uk) there is actually law in housing guidance/land use that states land must be set aside for use by travellers which I thought was pretty cool - I don't know if this is the case for all places though but hopefully this means things will change
Why horses, not automobiles? + what's gold-plating human rights?
@@victoriawalker7792 used to live on a private site alongside an irish traveller family that rented out the extra units. Council shut them down for being 'blight on the area' even though it was in the middle of an industrial park. This is from one of the more traveller friendly councils (Great Yarmouth, due to lots of the pier being built by the circus travellers)
@@victoriawalker7792 not really
They kind of don’t have the right to just roam through if h everyone else’s communities and territories
I live in Ireland and can confirm all the groups are lumped into 1 and all receive a lot of discrimination
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it’s not discrimination if they do it themselves
They might have different blood but they'll nick all the power tools out your shed just the same
I'm actually really glad you finally said aloud that the G word is a slur. Makes me feel less crazy if I'm echoing a Romani voice rather than just going by what I understand of it when I tell people it's a slur.
I appreciate this channel so much. I hope you realize how far your videos have reached, how many people you’ve taught about your beautiful culture. It’s a wonderful thing and your ancestors are smiling at you. I unfortunately only grew up with the TLC shows, and hearing things about thefts from the hospital by ‘Gypsies’. It’s wrong those are the main representations here. There’s so much more to the people and culture.
Do we understand why anyone would make such hateful stereotypes about the beautiful Romani people?
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Love these videos. Been learning more everyday. It's good to see more awareness for all different cultures and their history.
Took the words right out of my mouth! 😊
As someone who is of Irish and Romani heritage, I really appreciate this . There are interesting things in history that may have connected some of these groups in others eyes, for example , I heard that when my family from Serbia /Kosovo area immigrated to America , they got an opportunity to change their last name to an Irish one … interesting right? Irish people were treated poorly at this time , but definitely not treated as bad as darker skinned Romani people and other ethnic groups at the time . They may have thought it was a step up in society to take the Irish name . I still have this last name , and it’s funny bc it’s not even a real Irish last name but was made to sound Irish 😅
I have traveller family, we are definitely NOT Romani! But the crazy part to me is that in the UK, people have a lot more respect for Romani people because they’re considered a “real” nation-less ethnic group like Jewish people were before the invasion of Palestine. There’s a real prejudice towards White travellers and an association with criminality even in otherwise liberal people. I think people just see Irish travellers as the bad irish.
My traveller family don’t actually travel so much these days, but they still have a very separate culture and way of life to my Cork family.
Talk about delusion 🤣🤣🤣
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My great grandmother was an Irish traveller that had a child (my grandpa) with a romani man, but her family was very racist, they forced her to leave him and set her up with an arranged marriage to somebody else. My grandpa stayed with her but he was always the black sheep of the family, even as a kid I used to wonder why his sisters and brother would never talk to him, never even get close to him. It wasn't until I started asking questions when my grandmother was last here she told me the truth. Crazy times, honestly I'm ashamed so much of my family were/possibly still are very racist
@@JenIsHungry same, though facing the reality that a lot of people I used to think were nice were actually pretty horrible isn't exactly fun.
It’s so crazy that groups that face racism and discrimination show the same racism/bigotry towards other ethnic groups. When are people going to learn that it’s all nonsense? I don’t think it will ever go away and I am sad about that.
@@jujutrini8412 as messed up as it is I think the main reason is the core issue of bullying. "If I become the bully I will not be bullied". This is also why poc who have been white passing historically have pretended to be white because sadly "it was better to be white" and that has shaped alot of culture.
In that from my own family experiences of my Traveller relatives there are definitely racist, and often they are very shitty in other ways to their own people as well, as its all about keeping their tiny bit of power.
It leaves me torn, there is certain draws to my heritage but there is so much I noped out of I'm happy enough being rejected and considered settled/no longer a part of my traveller family.
I'd only ever heard of Irish Travellers until I was about 20 when I moved to Glasgow, there's a large Romani population in the South Side of Glasgow. I lived in an area that's mainly Romani people and Pakistani/Scottish-Pakistani people.
I'm originally from a rural area of Scotland, and Irish Travellers would come to my village with their caravans and stay in a nearby field for a few weeks in the summer. Sometimes they bring sheep and leave them here in an unused field for a few months before returning to get their sheep, they gave my friend a horse in exchange for use of one of her family's fields.
I live in the south side at the moment and have not spotted this community, which area? Im planning to be here for a little while :) it's my first time being in scotland and what an experience!
@@theboujieproletariatI live in Scotland and I'm glad u like it here :)
I'm in the south region and while I havnt seen any romani people here, we do have travelers every few weeks but u need to be weary
The ones that visit here will try and swindle you for every penny you have, not every "booth" is that way but there was a t-shirt one that was very overpriced and would keep lowering the price the more we refused
They are lovely shirts but just don't get caught in the guilt tripping they sometimes do
I know we used to have romani people here, I knew an elderly lady who would buy clothes pins and other such things when they came
She's sadly passed now but we have her pins and they still work! They must be around or over 50 years old!
@@theboujieproletariatGovanhill has a few thousand s Roma,from Eastern Europe,they don’t believe in working legit and paying taxes,and are inti every crime you can think of
@@johnmcdonald9295that’s a pretty disgusting stereotype.
@@johnmcdonald9295this is unacceptable. What is anyone to do when they aren't even given a chance? Put yourself in their shoes and walk their path, I challenge you go do that. Go on, after that comment. I hope you go through what they go through, it'll make you a better person and a wiser soul.
descendant of irish travellers here ! your channel is amazing and informative, people don’t seem to realise we have completely different cultures, traditions and languages- the fact people still group us together as “gypsies” and don’t know the difference is insane ! thank you for educating everyone Florian.
Do you know of any traditional clothing that the Irish travelers have?
Thank you as a romani I really try to stress that we are not the same as travelers
I’ve been called a gypsy in a negative sense my whole life a I didn’t even know why. I am of Irish decent and very European looking for lack of better terms. People have said because I’m poor or that I have longer hair and do combat sports.
I didn’t know what it was until now, and I can say I don’t fall into the category, thank you.
Oh my God, you just explained away my immense confusion I'd had with your videos from my own insular experience. In NZ, my friends were Rominchal diaspora. Never heard this distinction. This makes so much sense now!! I know people shit on short form video, but I would've never known the distinction without you. Peace and love, you're gorgeous, and I love you x
This is important information to understand, especially for an American. There are Travelers in the Southern States, from what I've been told. Travelers will also being called "gypsy" as a slur, at least in the American South. This does not mean they are the same, just that they may be called the same slur.
I remember getting into an argument with my teacher over her telling the class that Roma and Travellers are the exact same and therefore Roma are white- we weren't even in the UK, we were in the US. To make it worse this was a holocaust class that was specifically trying to examine the experiences of all groups impacted- though she said some offensive crap about other groups as well, her teaching on the Roma and Sinti was particularly abysmal.
To be honest I am surprised she mentioned the distinction of the Sinti at all- being in the USA.
I’m so glad someone finally said this!! I was born and raised with my sudanese family in Ireland and everytime I explain to them that Romani and Travellers are two different things, they still scratch their heads and act ignorant about it.
as someone from Ireland people still use the g slur against travelers too.
he's ignorant. I'm half Polish and half Irish both have a culture... Slavic and Celtic.
My family have heard it all 🙄 Gypsy,taig,pikey
Is it spelled Romany or Romani? I love your videos, they’re so informative!
Can you do a video on colour meanings at events, like the bride wearing white or black at funerals?
Same thing, in England they spell it Romany and the rest of the world Romani
@@florida.florian not all of us, im an English Roma woman and i spell it Romani
Romani people originated in INDIA.
My grandpa passed as white for the most part but he got made fun of when he was in the Vietnam war. They called him racial slurs from native americans because his skin color made him stand out. His family is Romanichal from England.
Thanks so much for your videos. They are really educational. As a Brit, I do agree that lumping all traveller groups with Romani is confusing. They are separate groups with their own histories. The Irish Travelling Community have also experienced a lot of structural discrimination, which continues to this day, especially under our right wing government.
Thanks for the 'and Ireland' part, haha yes travellers are primarily Irish and most of Ireland is not in the UK (it's very confusing). I don't think that people use the same language for both groups in Ireland, I'm not sure how accepting people are of Roma people being distinct in their origin. I don't know if they try to minimise that, it could be, but I don't think that we have travellers and Roma people too mixed up (Irish surnames that are common among travellers might get us excluded from a reservation at an English resort). However, I am aware that travellers who describe themselves as a separate ethnic group get a lot of flack. People don't like to be called out for discrimination. I think that Roma and travellers both traditionally work with tin and scrap metal, but I don't have it clear whether this is really true about Romani people.
Bro you and every romani are a part of us, Same blood same people So happy to see the brothers separated a while ago reconnect again.❤
In Sweden the term for Roma has been "zigenare" (German origin) but we have also had a traveller population called "tattare", sometimes with a thought that they were foreigners with an Eastern origin (Tatars), but later studies have concluded that they are indigenous. Both the words above today is considered offensive. Roma and resande (travelling) are used as the proper terms.
That's so interesting. My father's family are part of Romani and Ukrainian. ❤
I love your content and thank you for educating us about your culture and heritage 💜💜💜
Thank you for your continued education on these topics!!
Can you tell us more about the migration of the Roma people through the ages ?
I have a full video on it!
Where can I get the link to that video? Please point to the link.
There is nothing wrong with being a nomad whatsoever, The problem comes when you stereotype an entire group like the Romani. Thank you again Florian for an AMAZING short.
It's not just the Romani people who are stereotyped. Nomadic groups like the travellers of European descent in the UK, and the Jenische in German-speaking countries, are similarly victims of stereotypes. It may be slightly better because the racial element is missing or isn't as strong; if they want, they can blend in. On the other hand, they are also not being romanticised in the same way. Speaking of blending in, I just read that apparently the Romani in Switzerland tend to have a pretty good life nowadays by blending in, with problems arising only if they out themselves. I guess this works somehow because Switzerland is a wealthy, multi-ethnic, multilingual country with lots of (often temporary) immigrants. But it does sound as if they had to give up part of their culture.
People in Switzerland have recently started to be aware that until the 1970s, there was a silent genocide committed against the Jenische. Families stereotyped as criminal (sometimes just because they were not sedentary) were deprived of their children, who then grew up either with foster parents in mainstream society or in children's homes. Either way, many were being maltreated and exploited. It's not much consolation for the families destroyed by the charity that organized this with donation money (Kinder der Landstraße, i.e., Children of the Highway) that the Romani were treated even worse.
There are far more Jenische in tiny Switzerland than in Germany, and I am pretty sure that's because most didn't survive the Holocaust. After all, it wasn't just directed against Jews, not just against Jews and Romani people, but against Jews, Romani people and 'antisocials'.
As important as the differences are, I think it's important for all groups with a nomadic lifestyle in Europe to embrace the fact that while they may sometimes be competing for the same scarce resources and no doubt have legitimate gripes with each other, in their relation to the mainstream societies they are natural allies and need to work together. They need every last bit of leverage they can get; even so it will never be enough.
@@johaquila TRUE THAT! I wish people could just live their lives in peace.
@@johaquila thank you for bringing up the fact that many don’t know … so so many Romani lives were lost during the holocaust. In addition to so many people of color regardless of where they came from
Going back to the Celt era, the Travellers were actually a very important part of society. They lived outside the Celt villages ,as they were entrusted with the responsibility of patrolling the perimeters, protecting the various clans. The history of their past is one of pride, sadly the connection between the Travellers and the people in the villages faded away over generations.
Who elsd gets excited when Florian uploads? I love learning about your culture. It's beautiful and its history needs to be preserved and taught. You're doing excellent work
the irish were a nomadic people till the english forced them to stop, part of what motivated their hatred of the folks indigenous to the americas was that they reminded them of the irish so much, as many of them also moved to follow seasonal farming/foraging times. (tho i think thats not true nomadic, but has another term i can't remember now?) makes sense theyd refuse to even acknowledge that theres a big difference in culture with cultures they want gone
This reminds me of a video on how they thought some native Americans were descended from welsh and Irish immigrants to the Americas 😅
The Irish weren’t nomadic before the english arrived lmao they were an advanced civilisation with their own settlements, cities, nobility and laws. Not to mention that the vikings and normans invaded Ireland before the english even got there (even still the Irish were never nomadic). English colonisers forced the native Irish to change many aspects of their traditional way of life but this wasn’t one of them. Idk where you got this info from but it’s complete bs
@@romarose the original comment said “the Irish” not “Irish travellers”. You’re not the person who commented that so I think we can leave it to them to explain what they meant
@@romarose the original comment has very little to do with the topic of the video and is clearly talking about all Irish people (and even if they weren’t they’d still be wrong)
@@ellam246 advanced civilization and nomadic are not oxymorons
Sometimes the algorithm suggests great and educational content.
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Love this channel, thank youm😊.
Thank you thank you so much for this as a Romani. I really appreciate you all your work it’s amazing please do more videos on our culture. All my love from London ❤❤❤❤❤❤
It's complicated, many Romani people in Britain can look quite 'white'. I have Kale family and they look like many other Welsh people but have their own language and culture, were raised in Vardos etc. There have been Romani people in Britain for over 500 years on record but in the 20th century it was mostly forbidden for Romani groups to travel their traditional circuits in Britain and so settlements were created that forced Romanichal and "Travelers" to live in the camp sites together.
My heritage is traveller and Romani I’m so happy to see this content ❤
The Irish travelling community recieve so much hate for their culture and ethnicity, and I remember in school they were even discriminated and taken out of class to be taught separately because 'they wouldn't stay long anyway' and I was one of the students taken out of class to teach them because we were in a year that didnt matter and those people were so sweet and the shit they get was heartbreaking
Brothers and sisters from the other side of the world! 🤗
Been trying to explain this to gorgers for years nothing against travelers but were quite different in many ways.
Thank you for the distinction
Thank you for explaining this- I had a hard time explaining to friends and family
DUDE! I should be paying for this content! How can I support you, your link tree doesn’t have a patreon??
I’m from Serbia, our biggest “minority” that experiences skin colour based racism is Romani. I get a lot of easy accessible education on for example issues of people of colour in the US, but barely any in my country. I follow a few national Roma NGOs and that’s about it, but they have to focus on specific problems so i dont blame them not spending time and resources on educating us white serbian kids . I used to volunteer at a shelter and tutored kids in maths, but rarely did i get to learn about the culture in the bigger picture
This is why I am so grateful for your content
So yes sorry for long comment and i doubt you will even read this but just thank you so much!!!
Thank you for this content
Great video. As an irish person.
I just want to say your pictures showing a difference in hair and skin tone between Irish travellers and romani people vary for all travellers. A lot of irish travellers have naturally dark hair and skin. They're is a massive misconception that Irish people in general, are thought to be red heads etc. When, in fact, many of us irish have dark hair and some dark features. I think that's where a lot of the confusion is. 😊
It's so weird to think that if you were in india rn, I probably wouldn't be able to distinguish you apart from others. Especially if we talk about northern India. Even after so many centuries, we still look alike.
Sadly in India banjaras, related to the European Roma still face caste prejudice alongside Adivasis and Dalits, so I'm less sure that fraternity feeling is actually there. Oppressor castes in South Asia always find a way to discriminate
Great info Florian👍👍👍.
What about famous boxer Tyson Fury? What's his ethnicity?
Also, pls make a video on Romany cuisine sometime in the future 🙏🙏🥰.
he is irish traveller
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@@florida.florian and romany gypsy in his family
@@gb5584 Yes, both
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He almost moved to America because of how racist they are towards travellers in England. Here he’s just seen as an English guy of Irish descent. The Irish diaspora seems to have less bigoted views towards Irish travellers specifically in my experience than our cousins across the pond.
Thank you for posting !!! Your content has been so informative
Could you explore the gitanos and calé a bit more? I would like to learn more. Not that the rest is not, it's just that my family are from Andalusia
I was literally about to look this up when I scrolled and found this video! Thank you Florian 💖
So glad you covered this! Living in the uk I haft to deel with a lot of offhandedly comments surrounding this
The amount of times I answer that I’m Romani and people correct me and say gypsy/traveler. I just can’t if you’re gonna be ignorant do it else where. My mother absolutely despises being called a traveler. she deems it erasure of the struggles we have perused as a people and ignorant as the Roma don’t just travel we’re removed of forced to leave.
Thank you! We never would’ve been “travelers” if our original country hadn’t cast us out like many other countries continued to do later on. I feel we’re the one “globally oppressed” race. I’m a descendent, of course, and yet I still get gypsy stereotypes and racism thrown at me from all races. It’s no wonder we hide our language from gadjas
Did you got to school? Or do you work at the carnival?
Depending on how you answer will dictate if people view you as roma or a gypsy
all people should be respected no matter what all people are people n please don't discriminate against any please
Nobody is discriminating. They are making distinctions between white people that have appropriated aspects of a culture , or let the rest of society make confounding assumptions thar often leave darker skinned people receiving the brunt of hateful actions , while those white passing get to benefit from those privileges
@@baby.nay. they didn't appropriate anything though
@@baby.nay.you need to open your eyes. What exactly have Europeans appropriated from other cultures?
Because you need to look at what other cultures have appropriated from Europeans. Which is basically everything in most non European countries.
When they give up their cars, roads, hospitals, universities, TV's, smart phones, electricity, dams, schools, etc. and return to their primitive ancestral lifestyle of hunting and gathering, living naked in the bush, then they can speak about what Europeans have appropriated from their stone age existence.
To be honest, Peaky Blinders is what brought me here. But learning the real history is what made me subscribe.
Never knew that the word 'gypsy' was a slur bc i never associated anything negative with them. Absolutely tragic to learn how they have been treated. Thank you for your eloquence and explanations for us!
To give example: mostly fallen out of use but the word gyp(jip) came about because of the word Gypsy and it was used to claim that you were cheated or had been swindled by a Gypsy. But there are many very negative connotations about the various ethnic groups that are mashed together under this term if you look at history.
I know what I'm researching today 😊
I'm addicted to this channel. Everyday I learn a new thing. I never knew that Travellers are not the same as Romanichal; I've always heard both terms used interchangeably.
Interesting, I know of several Irish traveller groups in my area, but I wasn't aware of any Romani. I'll have to keep my eyes open.
If you see a traveller group that is overall darker in complexion than normal, you are more than likely looking at a Romani group.
This helped me a lot. Saw a video recently talking about Roma persecution, but was confused by the clearly European girl in the thumbnail. I initially thought they were just another sect of Romani, but with more European blood and culture, but this cleared it up. Thank you!!
As a latine, THANK YOU for introducing me to the word racialization!! Just because Latinos (not including afro Latinos or indigenous Latinos) are “technically” white doesn’t mean we’re treated that way!
It’s important to remember that racism doesn’t actually care about who you are, only what it ascribes to you.
Thank you for clarifying!
I think the videos you make are amazing and beautiful.
Such a beautiful, culturally rich, and yet persecuted history. There is a wonderful community of Romani here in the SF Bay Area in the area where I grew up. My mom was a single mom (left a very abusive marriage) with five kids. They were so wonderful to us from the moment we moved into the neighborhood (1980),and still look in on my mom at least once a day now that all of us kids have scattered across the country. Absolutely love them all like family.
Also sorry for all the spam Florian! I’ve been searching for years for a source of information on my heritage and I’m just thriving with wonder 😅
For Those who don't know,
- Brad Pitt's Character in 'Snatch' is supposed to be "Irish Traveller" Gypsy.
- Tommy Shelby's Character From Peaky Blinders is a "Romani Gypsy".
Two different groups.
related: I saw a comment on a clip from the movie Snatch the other day where a woman said the movie was the reason she named her dog "Pikey" 😭 like she named her dog that specific slur for what???
Tommy Shelby is half Irish traveller, half Romani I believe.
@@moonbug7252 You like Dags?
@@MCKevin289 Yes, He's got Irish Traveller Blood As Well, His Grandma (On his father's side) happened to be an Irish Traveller, Making him a quarter-Irish Traveller himself. But overall, Shelby Family's Supposed to be Romani. Unlike Brad's character in Snatch which is a representation of an Irish Traveller chap.
This gets even more complex in countries where the historical romani population has been significantly mixed with the indigenous population. To the point that they mostly have non romani surnames etc.
Historian of Irish history here! The g-word is also a slur towards Irish travellers. They’re descended from Irish people who were displaced by Cromwell’s genocide and are heavily discriminated against in England and Ireland and have similar stereotypes as the Romani.
South Asia is a term recently coined by western media, according to them, whatever good happens is done by south asia, and whatever bad happens is of indian origin. It would be appropriate if you use the term indian subcontinent, that's what it has always been called.
Are their other countries than India that are "south Asia" or is it just India?
Eh the term South Asia is just more inclusive of all the countries that exist within it, so they don't feel erased. Think about how we address other regions--East Europe, West Africa, etc. The directions just help. From a Western or American perspective, I would argue that many of us think of Pakistan, unfortunately, when imagining a bad situation.
@@solitarelee6200South Asia includes Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, and a few others.
@@Cindy99765 it is inclusive but is being used for propaganda, and i really appreciate that you are so aware, but everyone isn't, and all the countries in south asia were always called as indian subcontinent, because it's same culture and all the countries were united unless foreign invaders plundered. And none of those countries feel erased at being called indian subcontinent, rather there was point when these countries wanted to be merged back, but you know politics.
so you think India is the only country in the subcontinent? well you're mistaken
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Yeah kind of right. Some Roma in Scotland called themselves traveller’s because it doesn’t have the same negative connotation that the gypsy slur has. Romani that migrated earlier and have been here for a few generations generally refer to themselves as travellers though the large and pretty new community in govanhill Glasgow refering to themselves as Roma romani ect. The use of traveller and roma are to some extent an attempt to escape a negative perscriptive identity placed on them and the difference in those cases is to do with when that particular group settled here.
It’s interesting there are four distinct nomadic groups in Scotland abd as I understand two of them are Roma that migrated here in different periods.
Always annoyed me when people like Tyson fury calls himself the gypseyking when his ancestors were Irish travellers who chose to travel whilst Romani were forced out of India by Mahmud of ghazni and oppressed through their whole travel and to this day by whites
I’m a historian of Irish history. The travellers were also forced off their land by the cromwellian genocide. They did not chose to travel! They are called that because racist English people thought they were the same thing as the Romani and used it as a blanket term. So, Tyson Fury adopted it to reclaim it at least for the traveling folk.
The Romani are such beautiful people. They have their own striking beauty and their traditional dances and clothing are an art in themselves. The Travellers are a culture who have their own traditions with horses and caravans, as well as dance and song and all are done in the spirited way their people live. Both cultures are facing challenges. Racism. Hate. They are both unique and interesting in their own respective ways but are completely different. The Romani are the people I think of when I hear the word gypsy but now I’ve learned the right way to address them 😊 thank you ❤
Thank you.
My great granddad, who I never knew, was a Welsh Traveller
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Thank you for educating on REAL travelers (vs the TLC version).
They too have historically not been allowed to settle but also prevented from traveling.
It's really criminal how both groups, Romani & Traveler groups have been treated by WASPS, especially.
I am BEYOND grateful that you made this video. I have been saying this for yrs. Since " my big fat gypsy wedding" came out on TV. I am a half Roma Gypsy and half white. My mother has very dark skin and would never act like nor wear the clothing the travelers wear. And the language is absolutely in no way similar
Thank you!
My grandmother was an Irish traveler and she was such an amazing and interesting woman. She married my grandfather a couple years after her family moved to the United States. She was proud of her family and heritage but I think a part of her was glad to not be as nomadic as she was as a child.
Okay I'm not sure if you've made a video on it, and I'm sure I already know where the opinion is gonna go, but what are your thoughts on Peaky Blinders' use of Romani culture in the show?
I’m wondering why you are ok using the word “Gitano” which means Gypsy In Spanish, but your opposed to using the word gypsy in English? A lot of Spanish Romani use the word gitano(a) in their music. The Gipsy kings use the word in their own name, I’m thinking of the song by India Martinez “amor a la gitana”, “soy gitano” by Camarón de la isla. The list goes on. Some people seem to be ok with it. How do you reconcile using the Spanish word vs the English word.
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Travellers have also historically been discriminated against and many of them have gone extinct or have lost a lot of their language and culture. I think it's important to protect all traveller groups, many of them are small and that makes them more vulnerable. Roma are many and while we are also divided into smaller groups we still have the protection of the wider community. Small traveller groups often get lumped in with roma by outsiders, but I think we should help support them in being recognised as their own people instead of pushing them away as if they are just like the other outsiders. They are not roma, but they are not our enemy. The world is too big and hostile already.
My grandfather would always talk poorly about travellers, as if they are beneath us. It always made me sad because it's the same way many outsiders talk about us. Growing up in Europe is not easy for roma and travellers alike.
Important to note though is that though travellers and romani are distinctly different groups, both groups have had to suffer a lot of oppression (and still do). Also interesting to note is that some groups of travellers may have some romani ancestry as well.
Can you explain the people featured in the reality TV shows about weddings? The ones who are here in the USA? They claim to be Romani but appear to look more like the Travelers you mention in this video.
I think he has videos previously speaking about the differences. Scroll thru shorts
What about the famed boxer Tyson Fury? What's his ethnicity?
@@hhdgdhumHe's a white Irishman. nothing more nothing less
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@@hhdgdhumHe’s Irish but a gypsy. No one in Europe views gypsy as a race this is some bizzare American misconception.
99% of people have no idea who the Roma are they just view travelling people as gypsies.
If the guy in these videos went to a school or workplace most would assume he’s Indian not Roma.
A lot of white travellers in the UK speak the Romany language. It isn't spoken as much as it used to be, but many words are still spoken.
When you study indo European culture the vast majority of Europeans Ethnicity with "male linage "are central asian or western indian originated , Croatia who are balto slavs they call afghanistan and greator punjab region as their motherland ( they call their people originally haravatka / haraxvatya which is iranic term for sarasawat region ( mostly east afghanistan and greater punjab)
Croats are ancient Iranics (not Indian). Their modern male dress is very similar to Khorasan i Iranian dress, and musical elements are also similar. Furthermore, they have another wave of Iranic ancestry via the Scythians. Again, not Indian.
Yeah thanks for this because I always got confused wondering if Irish/English travellers were related to Romanis and I was always confused
Oh Florian! You did it again! Such great content 🙏🏻 I’m a mix of Celtic nations and some Asian nations (including a bit of south Asian/Indian) so to hear about both of these beautiful cultures is so special!
Please keep being so awesome! 💜 thank you!
As a czech and slovakian gypsy i can confirm that gypsys came from northan india and were called gypsys mistaking us to egyptians due to our skin and facial features
So was it the Romani people who bred the Vanner horses, or is that just a misconception due to the breeds full name? (I can’t find any reliable sources on the topic)
yes it was Romani people, more specifically the Romanichal
I love the content you make so much; learning about different ethnic groups, thier culture, language, and history is so beneficial in making social connections. From my experience, people from a different ethnic group and/or country appreciate when you make an effort to participate and appreciate their culture. For example, when I met my italian exchange friends in college, I had a crude grasp of thier language and culture. When I met them, I made more of an effort to learn more about thier language. When I was able to pick up on a new word in conversation, they were so happy and proud that I was learning! The learning experience is one I wish I had growing up; history is boring and horrific when it only focuses on the White American Experience™️.
TLDR: EDUCATE, NOT DISCRIMINATE.
Thank you for this video. I really think Peaky Blinders should have stuck to Irish Travelers rather than pretending to have Romani People in their show. 🤦
There's a ton of roma ppl in the uk that immigrated
Eugh “diluted” is such an inhumane way to put it, we aren’t made to be separated, and mixing isn’t diluting anything!!
irish travellers are known as an lucht siúil (the walking people) in Irish/Gaeilge, and Mincéirí in their own language (Shelta, i believe?)!
you should do one with Russia. we have some fetish about Romani in old films and cartoons. but we also had a lot of Romani artists and Romani music is certainly heavily woven into Russian culture. and actually were taught about their plight and history.