2017 Personality 09: Freud and the Dynamic Unconscious
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- In this lecture, 9th in the 2017 series, I discuss some of the essential of Sigmund Freud's theories, concentrating on his conceptualizations of the dynamic (living) unconscious.
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I am from Pakistan, the 6th most populous country (but ranked 158th in terms of GDP). I'm sure I'm maybe one of the very few people who might have seen this whole lecture out of 220 million countrymates. I got admission in an ivy league school in the US but couldn't go because it was too expensive and ended up pursuing a degree locally. You have truly equalized the opportunity to learn and grow by sharing. Deeply indebted!
Best wishes my friend !
Good for you. I wish you well and may allah guide and bless you.
Same bro From India 🇮🇳
The world wishes you the best, and I hope you obtain that happy, fulfilling life
Me too
I am honored to be able to sit in your classes through this platform. Thank you so much for doing this for us.
Would the university have some sort of ownership of this content?
I doubt it. Peterson teaches at the University, but they don't own the material he teaches, and Peterson funded the film crew with his patreon money (from what I understand) so he owns the video as well.
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I wish i could get more lectures is there any links like Open course that i could use, well i am not taking academic purposes seeing a few videos past couple of months helped me a lot.
Notes to self :
5:00 formulating personalities
10:30 the effects of birth control pill
15:20 freuds unconscious
25:35 ego
28:40 ideas/ emotion
35:00 depression
I’ll be collecting those lol nah for real thank you bro
You are truly a good guy, thanks.
Your an Angel thank u!
Solid moves
🙏🤙🏻
I say this with the most serious notion. If you were my professor, I would never be bored, I would never grow tired of learning, and lastly I would never miss a lecture. As for passing..well that's another thing entirely!
He had me thinking about the importance of Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars episode II and what the universe would be like if Jar Jar was like Donald Trump and racing for the chancellor like Trump did against Hillary, suggesting he would make "the republic great again" placing walls everywhere, then waking up to repression of traumatic events at 32:00.
@@CellGames2006 Legendary.
Never say never
@@CellGames2006 how do you feel now?
if i had him when i was teenager maybe i wouldn't have wasted my life, but then again i probably wouldn't have got the message, like most adults don't get peterson today. i guess it takes time and experience before you can hear.
cheat sheet to myself:
00:20 why Freud is persona non grata
02:05 Freud about himself
02:53 unconsciousness mind / processes
06:23 behavior might not immediately accessible to your awareness
07:02 independent memory systems (procedures/imagination/semantic, ...?)
08:23 sexual and aggressive impulses
09:40 male and female distances
10:19 birth control pills give woman power
12:45 danger of sexuality
14:37 sexual repression
15:13 Freudian world / types of unconsciousness
* conservative: Memory distortion, arguments, time slices, discipline...
21:42 * dissolutive: procedure memory, memorization
22:32 * creative: art, dreams (observation)
24:09 ideal of you are controlling unconscious - less integrated = less self-control + more unconscious controls you.
24:39 * mythopoetic: sex and aggressive
27:59 EGO Jean Piaget vs Freud
28:38 pathogen: Somatiker (physical) vs Psychiker (mental)
30:48 1st who thought conversation is the cure (for repression)
33:14 example for "Repression" / complex (boss comments you --> at home you freak out because of the trigger)
35:43 Defense Mechanism: repression / denial / reaction formation / displacement / identification / rationalization / intellectualization / sublimation / projection)
36:08 example for "Denial": losing your left / ability for diabetes
39:19 example for "Reaction Formation": hate your sister, but you act out like you really love her (overcompensation)
39:34 example for "Displacement" series of passing on the suffering to whom you have power over.
39:48 example for "identification": bullied becomes the bully
39:56 example for "rationalization": come up with explanation
40:12 example for "intellectualization": intelligent reasoning
40:25 example for "sublimation": press you suffering to something else that creates new thing
40:41 example for "projection": it's not me - it's you!
41:01 Neurotic Manifestation
44:45 Jokes
46:26 Dreams
Jung: dream is clear
Freud: dream is suppression
Dang this is super useful and great. Thanks for this even though it was for yourself.
Much appreciated
This is gold. The kind of effort you must've put through this. I wish there was more of such summarisation in dots on video channel platforms (or even video apps), since they're the future of education now.
Good articulation
I've been immersing myself in JBP's lectures, talks and interviews for the past couple of months, and, I can honestly say that I am a different person.
Same here hunny ! He has given me confidence I never had before. Insight into people around me who have hurt me that I never saw before. He is a blessing in this world 🙏
00:20 - Why Freud is not populair under psychologists
01:06 - Oedipus complex shortly
02:05 - Freud about his life
02:58 - Global introduction
08:22 - Why Freud was so focused on sexuality
15:14 - The different functions of unconscious
16:58 - Conservative function of the unconscious
19:08 - (the meaning of meaning)
20:09 - (the unconscious and studying)
21:39 - Dissolutive function of the unconscious
22:32 - Creative function of the unconscious
23:27 - Ego, ID
24:13 - Not being able to control the unconscious; OCD, Tourette, love
25:38 - Freud's and Piaget's take on the dynamic unconscious (anorexia example)
28:34 - Freud's reasons for mental disorders
30:38 - (Freud was the first person to think dialogue could be curative)
31:30 - Experiences and complexes
33:43 - Defence mechanisms
36:09 - (denial, diabetic example)
39:19 - (reaction formation)
39:34 - (displacement)
38:47 - (identification)
39:57 - (rationalization)
40:12 - (Intellectualization)
40:25 - (Sublimation)
40:43 - (Projection)
41:02 - Neurotic manifestations
41:36 - Hysteria
44:45 - Jokes
46:27 - Dreams
Vincent Fi Oedipus*
Yo thanks a lot man
Wow you're a hero man!
a Hero amongst men
Freud was not focused on sexuality and neither did the professor say he was
You know a lecture is good when you wish it would go on for another hour.
the 2015 series if this module has a 2.5 hour version of the Freud lecture and the same for Jung.
Right!? I've never been mad that a lecturer didn't have enough time before hahaha
Yes
It's not good, it's really good.
Freud was a pioneer of a new field. Pioneers make mistakes. They have to. How could they not? They explore uncharted territory. They must get lost some times.
Those who come after are not stuck in his tangled journey, they see it fresh and new from the outside, much easier to bicker away and add new elements to the make the shape more and more right. Of course they will have some better theories, they didn't need to come up with the base, there already was a seed.
His Ideas were pseudo science
@@sturmgewehr4471 Brilliant retort. Copy the very same sentence that everybody is using to discredit someone else. Keep it up.
@@AlmostAeroGauge true nonetheless also no need to get butthurt and salty its not a personal issue
@@sturmgewehr4471 True in your finite view on things. What is or isn't a personal issue to someone, is up to them, no one else.
@@AlmostAeroGauge "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent" wittgenstein. this "finite" worldview puts men on moon yours created critical theory.however dont bother responding cause I wont continue disscussing scientific philosophical matters with someone who takes them personally
Great lecture, as always.
I highly relate to the parenthesis Peterson makes regarding female contraception and the pill. I was on the pill from age 16 to 21, and it's not until I stopped taking the pill that I realized how much it diminished my libido, as I finally awakened to my sexuality. Now, aged 28 and not relying on the pill any longer, I deeply appreciate that I can feel the natural cycles my body goes through, knowing exactly when I'm fertile and when I'm about to have my period, the highs and lows, trusting my body to regulate itself (which it does very well, like clockwork). My long-term relationship with a very laid-back, sexually repressed man, also deteriorated quite fast after I dropped the pill. I truly believe that it was because I was more in touch with my body that I was able to know myself better and allow an encounter with the wonderful man that has since become my husband. We have a wonderful relationship and sexual life. I would not recommend the pill to anyone unless absolutely necessary.
Nofap lead to the same outcome for me as a Man, interestingly enough. All the stupid porn stuff fkd up my brain in the past - but I'm glad I'm recovering.
I know that our cases can't be compared _technically_ but I'm convinced there are similarities in the outcome regarding hormone regulation. I feel so much more in touch with my body and the sense of clarity is real.
The effects of addiction on Dopamine receptors alone are well documented. Many young men are addicted or at least have the habit of using this easily accessible pleasure button (or as Peterson calls it, superstimuli). From my personal experience, it had immensely powerful, destructive effects on my natural instincts as well as my spirit.
All you guys out there reading this, consider what you're doing. It doesn't mean that you can't have a sex life, obviously. Sexuality is important - But you should share it with another person.
Man was not made for himself alone, as Greek philosophy already had it early on.
Pay attention and reflect critically. Don't be a slave to your deception and instant gratification.
To finish this off with a quote by Socrates:
"How can you call a man free when his pleasures rule over him."
Pepper
When a man consciously decides to stop masturbating, in order to gain self-control, resistance and strength, from which you can derive more pleasure from than instant gratification might ever provide. Long-lasting matters always win.
Nofap is also possible for women though. Google is your friend for more information on the whole topic itself. I just meant to share my personal experience, just as you did :) Liked the part of "ruled by the moon", interestingly accurate.
Have a healthy life.
@@Lightnings
[I am a man]
I have a dissenting opinion. I think the problems you described are related to how one does it, not that one does it at all.
I'll use an analogy. Sexuality is like a river. It flows continuously, even in your sleep. If you put a dam in front of it, the flow will stop temporarily, but as the level rises, the water will eventually overflow, or, even worse, may find a way through a terrain it was not supposed to go. Then you may get paraphilia. For example, I think that's at least partly a reason why Catholic Church is plagued by scandals of pedophilia.
The main problem is with the stimulus. I have read that pornography can reduce one's sensitivity as one drifts towards more and more hardcore material. Then a person would have a hard time getting aroused in a real life setting. It can also distort man's view of what sexual activities women find acceptable and increase the likelihood of a man treating a woman disrespectfully.
I think the more is left to imagination, the better the stimulus is. By this criterion, erotic literature is the best. Finally, a good rule of thumb to evaluate material is this: if you imagine doing it with the woman you would consider having a lifelong relationship with, it's good. If you follow these two principles, you should be fine.
46:00 about society going after the comedians gave me a chill
Louis Rossmann Hey, didn't expect to see you here :D
Yeah, #FreeDankula is a very dangerous situation, for example.
Pleasant surprise to see you here. :d
@@KabooM1067 Hes only here cuz of the broken macbook at 18:50 xD
I thought the same thing.
Glad to find you here! I've found both you and Jordan very important and engaging thinkers over the years! Cheers my friend!
Must be rewarding for a professor to get applause at the end of his lectures
that's just politeness, u do it no matter how bad a lecture is
@@janzimmermann5861 the percentage of students who applaud and the intensity of those applause say a lot about the quality of the lecture. I once had a class who was taught by multiple teachers two of whom were married. The wife was a far better instructor and would get standing ovations the husband only got “polite” applause. Eventually she asked us to stop because the vast difference in the students evaluation of their ability was causing friction between them.
@@TheMacmister intressting never would have imagined problem can occur from something like this can i ask what classe were you in (major)
@@chiklachikla7641 it’s was in medical school. The class was molecular fundamental of medicine.
i disagree. it is not customary in universities to applaud a professor after a lecture. @@janzimmermann5861
My favorite jbp lecture. Nobody talks positively of freud anymore.
I wait for these lectures. I'm overjoyed when one is released. I grab my notepad, pen and earphones and go to online class ;) we want more Jordan Peterson, we want more.
Anthem Book Review What do you write down? I find I can't concentrate on a speaker if I take notes.
Use the Spacebar ( II ) button.
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Have you got enough yet? 😊
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An excellent point that when comedians are pressured into silence about certain topics, things will go from bad to worse pretty soon. This is already happening in the US.
What about 2021?.... Disgusting
my super ego tells me that I should be a billion times more situated in the world than I am as an adult. a learned trait most likely from a combinatuon of a tyranical father and a mother stuck in a state of inability to be self reliant. I've had to learn that trying to do everything at once is a good way to do nothing. you get half way through two jobs, school, a clean house, and driving school and you break down like I did and you accomplish nothing. aquirable goals are necessary and nothing to be ashamed of. also expressing emotion isn't just for children. you don't need to be perfect all the time and the house doesn't need to be either perfect or given up on. small steps are ok.
Mars Kickass there ya go, that's an important insight ive been integrating over the last couple years: break everything into 'small chunks' and focus on 1 or 2 tasks max.
A classic book on this is How to Stop Worrying and Start Living... central practice is "living in day tight compartments" and learning to write things down the night before and prioritize only the most critical few tasks that will, in the words of Tim Ferriss, "render the rest irrelevant or make them easier". Don't focus on the secondary stuff.
Good luck!
Feel ya. Still in the process to try to not commit to doing 20 things at once and then not following through with any because I'm overwhelmed...
Focus has this name because it means that you can only understand one thing at any given time. Our brains pick up petabytes of information all the time, and it discards each one of them as it sees fit, or reduce the amount of information to a single thing, or a single word, such as "cold", or "bored", "tired".
Given that, you CANNOT do two things at once, that are not somehow interconnected. You can speak and think, but cannot breathe and speak.
Do one thing, finish, then move to another. Our bodies and phisiology are NOT prepared to do two things simultaneously.
We are linear beings, so be linear.
I don't know how much your parents are "at fault" for your behaviour, but I think that you are somehow pointing fingers at the wrong person...
Anyway, clean your room first, then move from there to other stuff. :)
More than that, small steps are the real way to ACTUAL progress. Happy for you that you've had some of these realizations 👍
You know you're doing something right when your students applaud at the end of your lecture...can't recall that happening once during my undergrad.
Never want these lectures to end. Jordan unravels life’s mysteries that would have taken me ten lives or more to understand. Each lecture is a gift in wakefulness
Most critics would not be able to finish these lectures. I really am thankful for introducing me to psychology. It sure was helpful when I was still at my lowest and is still helping me in my career in Engineering. :)
damn. i'm listening this to avoid my homework. 21:09 really snapped me out of my procrastination
arcade 😂
21:09 is when the dude at the front is just browsing facebook as well lol
"just 1 more comment"
'Leave the damn comedians alone.' - Jordan B Peterson
What about if they get in your face?
@@lindz151074 would you care to elaborate what you mean by that?
Wow. Listening in 2021. This is so so so relevant today
@@martinbragalone even more so now lmaoooo
Dr petersn, pls put patreon info in your description more often or in every video. you deserve it way more then anybody else does, dont be shy about it. let people value you as much as they want
put a massive patreon png logo bang in the middle of the screen
That's right! Leave the damn comedians alone! It seems I'm late to the party as I am just waking up. There is a lot of truth to your views, thank you for making their roots available for inspection. God bless you, sir!
When the lectures are only about an hour long, I wait for more to come out and listen to two or more back to back.
One hour just isn't enough anymore D:
Same! Addicted.
Ry P His voice and his personality really add to these lectures.
Chasing the Peterson dragon!
Dude, I know. One hour left me begging for more lol. I wanna hear more on Freud, why so short? :P . Another question: are we all who are addicted nerds? (Cause I know I am one. I've always obsessed over stuff like that, Nietszche fan, looking to do phd in neuro...)Or do the lectures OBSESS people from all walks of life?
Annette Adler trust me, ALL walks of life ;)
Mr. Peterson it is amazing how you are able to create this endless flood of mental formulations and at the same time, you are still able to swim on the surface. And most listeners don't realize that you are suffocating all the time! You need love, much love because your heart needs to be healed. Please stop and take a deep breath, you deserve it.
Your lectures contain wisdom that is best consumed while exercising...for me at least. A 45 min run ... bone up on Freud ... a 2 hour walk ... change your whole life perspective with a crash course in Maps of Meaning! A continuing thanks for all your work, Dr JP.
Jordan always has such nice blazers
12,000 CAD a month salary for a tenured professor will buy you some nice blazers!
20,000 a month on patreon too
but why are his collars always popped? Is that a Canadian style I'm not aware of?
Yeah, no, it's not a canadian thing. It's just his baller/pimp attitude and as a fellow canadian, i like that.
This man wore a cape to a prison. He's a baller.
I couldn't believe someone summarised my life and in 48mins
So great to hear Sigmund Freud and his ideas being given their due honor. Psychology, spirituality, philosophy have all suffered from at best ignoring Freud and at worst unthinkingly dismissing all his essential insights.
This chaos lecture series has literally been the best interpretation of life I’ve ever heard, the way you articulate and incorporate stories it leaves me no questions
It's a 3 year old video but if anyone sees this comment, *anyone* I recommend a book for you; The Slight Edge by Jeff Olson is an excellent read about how everyday disciplines build up over time for positive results. My boss told me to read it and it's actually very well written and built of valuable life lessons. Cheers, friends.
Hahaha I saw it man and i'll look into that thanks
It’s truly mind blowing that we have the ability to sit in and listen to this man for free. He has truly changed my life.
So cool to hear that so many people are enjoying this
I recently was reminded my memories of great pain of my previous work environment that I simply forgot because of the work change. When someone reminded me it all came back. Environment change helps people!
Thank you so much. I feel like I have to learn all this stuff to cure myself because there are no good enough psychologists around like you. One thing that calms me is that I notice all sorts of stuff like this in other people, so Im not the only one a bit insane/not well socialized/with some incorrect assumptions. Haven't figured it out yet too much. One thing I know for sure is that im far far away from the point I started. Even though im fighting stuff all the time inside and outside. Monsters i can attend to are bigger and bigger. Thank you.
I'm too late.. but I would advise finding a psychiatrist!! Self diagnosis is not good for either physical or Mental problems..
You can sort some things out on your own but communication with someone who knows what's going on is always helpful.
Get well soon!
@@entropy5157 Thaks, man. Im quite a bit better even on my own. Had rough times with my dad. Did you notice anything particular about my comment or just a general advice?
When I was 24 I recalled a memory forgotten since I was about 10, prompted, I think, by parallels in the situations. The occasion when I was 10 was psychologically traumatic for me and triggered effects that plagued my life until I was about 21, but was forgotten in supersession by later events, some illuminative, some humdrum, some disturbing, etc - there was plenty that followed to occupy me.
When I was 10, a verbal attack by a parent was a catalyst to my plunging into self-doubt and psychologically punitive self-judgement. Part of the invective included the words “There is something wrong with you!” When I weighed up the other part of the accusation levelled at me (my parents had been told by my form-teacher that I had “a social problem”: I had not been mixing with other children at playtime (though I got on OK with others), and accused me with some fury/anger of being “shy”, equated with “selfish”, as though this were effectively criminal) I could not agree inwardly with the diagnosis, but as they were older and I presumed wiser I thought that the reason I could not see it for myself was that there was something REALLY inherently wrong with me - I was born duff and irreparable! I could not ‘get out of that one’ and it sent me in a terrible spiral with some interesting (but at the time horrible) effects and subsequent after-effects. I had experienced some ‘wobbly’ events before, which I had been able to resolve, but this launched a cascade that I was unable satisfactorily to resolve. Some months on, feeling physiologically and psychologically distressed by repeated experience of being on the receiving end of criticism by parents and (directly or indirectly) teachers, I discovered and honed my fault-finding ability to silently get back them! Default of ‘taking adults as gods’ had died (in fact, it probably caught a terminal disease when I was 9 and facing another issue) but my new-found weapon had other perils:-)
When I was 21, I learned to trust my own direct awareness, rather than my or others’ attachment-to-views and opinionatedness, and also not to buy into self-directed (or other) malevolence. Kinda fixed the problem of the basis for knowing and how to treat myself.
However, when I was 24, and was a postulant in a religious seminary (Buddhist), the Prior (a compassionate and conscientious (i.e had a conscience) fellow who tried hard to do his job) very much misconstrued where I was coming from in my practice and began to accuse me on that account. Because I assumed he must know more than I, eventually I dropped what I thought I knew to start again with basics of practice, but it all turned up pretty much the same and as described in the paragraph above. Soon after this, I looked at my specific predicament with the Prior, how I was effectively conceding to him because I assumed he must know more than I, and wondered what to do about the conundrum. Then memory of my aged-10 and long-forgotten predicament spontaneously appeared; I was astonished; only this time I was able to look into it and see where I had gone wrong all those years ago. I remember comparing the situation to a con-trick where someone calls at the door and tries to persuade one to part with the family silver by telling one it is worthless: roughly, “You are too ignorant to know what is true for yourself, therefor you must give your ability to know for yourself over to me, renouncing your title to it, and bind your ability to know to my say.” The logical folly in this is, if one is really too ignorant, how would one know that the other person is right; and how is it that someone who denies ones ability to know would ask that one use this supposedly non-existent ability to know to decide that they are right? Of course, sometimes one is very wise to take direction, but the question here goes to basic awareness and direct experience, to ‘knowing for oneself whether something is hot or cold’ in terms of direct experiencing prior to conceptualism and verbalising. After this clarification, seeing no way to fix the continuing impasse with the Prior, I decided to leave.
I do and did not believe the Prior was trying to assert dogma in place of direct experience (a very unBuddhist thing to do:-) For a couple of years I was gobsmacked, perplexed, saddened by his seemingly inexplicable misperception of me: how/why did it happen? Then I learned from a trusted source that he was not as realised, in Buddhist terms, as I had supposed; this was a surprise to me (given his position as Prior), but it certainly seemed to explain the matter, and I was relieved of perplexity over it.
27:15 is the only time that I have ever heard this man misspeak, and that realization is pretty astounding. He's so articulate, it boggles my mind.
He didn't make a mistake... he just added side information. Try 30:10 instead.
I read Freud's 'Interpretation of Dreams' when I was about nine-years-old. I took about a year to puzzle my way through it. I was particularly, involved in the case of the little girl who ate bluebells as a baby, and grew to have a reaction formation to the sight of bluebells, for no apparent reason. It was a repressed memory. I think Freud seemed obsessed with sex because the Victorians were repressed as a whole about sex primarily. We've moved on from there, to other repressions (anger, I think, mainly) nowadays, Trauma is still affecting us.
It's amazing that you become wiser when you realize how much it is that you DON'T know and understand! Thank you, Dr Peterson, for EVERYTHING! It's not an exaggeration to say that the people who LISTEN to Dr Peterson (without the specific need to do nothing but criticise) are much better equipped to really face life
If only I could absorb all of this information into my brain in one go.
Even if a machine existed to do that, I'm not sure if the brain could handle it.
Love revisiting these.
This series, Maps of Meaning, and Genesis are some of the most valuable lecture series that anyone could ever hear.
Not a dad, but when I am, these will be required listening.
I'm not sure if this is just part of the Canadian politeness. But the fact that your students applaud you after your lectures really says something about your efforts.
I'm a simple man, I see Sigmund Freud I hit like.
This lecture is absolute and unquestionable gold.
studying for a psychology exam in theories of personality on my 2nd year with Peterson through YT. I feel blessed and honored.
Love you JP. I know Jung is your homeboy. Who could fault or not like Carl? But, I am so glad to hear you talk about Sig...my guy, with respect and in context of where psychology was (wasn't) during his time. His contributions cannot be overlooked!
I find your speculations on the birth control pill and its mind-altering effects most amusing (and plausible) when compared to anecdotes from personal experience.
The Modern Hermeticist my girlfriend says the pill makes her crazy
Same here, she says it makes her feel like a whole different person. And it should, it's basically altering the chemical balance that influences personality!
Girls got the pill, the vote and the social state and now the "Family" is next... No wonder we get Milo!
You truly capture my imagination, professor. That was excellent lecture, thank you for posting it here. You're becoming quite the inspiration to me.
When the lecture was over but he said " How will we do this because I should tell you about the dreams " that's a marker of a teacher who genuinely cares .
Finished my psychology masters last week. Straight back into class with JBP. This doesn’t feel like school, this feels like arming yourself with knowledge for life.
This might be my favorite lecture yet
This took me to the guts. And this IS F R E E TO WATCH, absolutely amazing time we live in. I'm delighted, thanks Mr Peterson
. I've been enjoying this series of lectures from Dr. Peterson's UofT Personality class as he has been posting them. I hope we all get to see Lecture 8, which is the second part of his two-part lecture on Jung.
15:20 - 16:57 (memory and repression) / 19:40 - 21:37 (why & how it is we look at the world & avoidance & control) / 24:25 - 27:55 (spirits grip control of behaviour / the self judge / issue of perfection) / 30:35 - 34:40 (dialogue is curative / work example of trauma or complex) / 34:40 (Repession, denial, reaction & displacement)
Thank you for posting this on your channel Mr. Peterson.
0:33 all that is left
3:20 philosophical terms
4:16 mind fractionated
6:45
8:23 freud concentrated on sexual and agressive impulses
10:30 the pill
15:40 unconscious
31:31 repression
36:15 defense mechanisms
39:22
43:10 tear up
Amazingly insight about Freud, to paraphrase, all that's left of Freud is his mistakes. It's easy to criticize him after we've already incorporated his work into the field to the point that it's hard to separate the two, and so all we're left with is are the pieces that we couldn't get to fit. I'm often guilty of criticizing Freud but this view made me reevaluate just how much of Freudian thought I take for granted, and cherry pick little bits of his philosophy in order to strawman him. I shall try to be a bit for aware of this from now on and pay him his due respect.
This guy is bringing humanity back to humanity
I think I’ve watched this video more than 4 times over the course of the past year, but for some reason it always feels like I’m watching it for the first time
@Jordan B Peterson i have trouble following everything you say. You explain so quickly and then move onto another (yet still relevant) point whereby my mind gets caught trying to understand at the same time as having it register in my memory but then my consciousness becomes aware of this which causes further distraction from what you are saying. i love listening to hear what you have to say, i only wish i could understand more of it.
I sympathise with you, and have experienced this with other intellectuals.
At 17:03, Freud did say that in the beginnings of his theory but he then realized that memories were not recorded like they happened. In a card from the 21 of September in the year 1897 (number 69) written to Wilhelm Fliess, Freud wrote a famous quote that in spanish goes like "...mis histéricas me mienten..." I'll attempt to translate it as "my histerics lie to me." That moment marked the change of Freud's ideas and renounced the idea of the role of trauma, seduction in the development of normal conditions and "recorded memory" and adopted the idea that his patients (especially cases of histeria) had an exuberant production of fantasies like in day-dreaming. He started to notice that under the conditions of psychoanalytic treatment there was in invariable generation and manifestation of childhood fantasies that manifest in instances like in thoughts, dreams and behavior. Maybe Peterson based that claim on Freud's earlier works that focused on catharsis and dealt with trauma. Hope people find this useful.
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Freud, Sigmund. Cartas a Wilhelm Fliess, manuscritos y notas de los años 1887 a 1902. Ed. Amorrortu.
20:00 - 21:14 Never have I been so called out so completely down to almost my exact thoughts by someone who has never met me.
When he said “peanut butter sandwich” I had to pause the lecture and go make a peanut butter sandwich...
Honestly. One of the best parts of these online lectures is the intro music!
The notion that we have fragmented parts of ourselves that can be almost autonomous is brilliant. I believe bringing the component parts together with a focus in life is the key ingrediant to psychological health.
An absolutely amazing mind.
The thought that Jordan shares in his talks speaks wisdom that is so encouraging.
I hold a master's degree in mental health counseling. This follows a bachelor's in psychology.
Not once in all of my years of schoolwork, did I attend a lecture from a professor which I clapped at the end of.
I hope the people in this class realized how much of a privilege it was having JBP as their instructor.
I just finished the latest personality lecture and I still have another 6 hours to go at work. 2016 lectures, here I come!
JP is my 2nd favorite person to listen too, Richard Dawkins 1st. JP is very refreshing to hear, thank you for these videos!
Peterson is absolutely right. I've been told stories of my past I can't remember that I wish I could.
The voice of great motivator professor of modern times is so powerful that me avoiding the videos for the " FEAR " of getting hypnotized. However title " dynamic unconscious " is great and is a drive without driver making accidents and then repentance is great because repentance is a virtue by the way. Now no one feeling that way is a question.
THE MIND IS...COMPOSITE OF CONTRADICTORY DRIVES IS ESSENCE OF THIS TALK PERHAPS AS COUNTER ROTATION IS THERE IN EVERY ORBITAL AS SPIN ANTI SPIN KIND AND MIND IS DOING THAT IS GREAT UNION OF BEYOND NANO TO MACRO MANIFESTATIONS. thanks
I'm not a psychoanalisis expert or one that really learn much about it. I mosty had develop on cognitic conduct aproach on psychology. But this information is just very mindblowing about the human mind and very usefull. It explains so much about basic things we all humans have in us and how we costruct reality. Is this should be the sumary basic of psychoalalisis. Greaty explain my Prof and Dr.Jordan B.Peterson. This is super usefull for my life too.
A little rant. I do pray you read, and offer any insight.
I too had discarded Freud for the most part, until I rediscovered probably his most relevant theory pertaining to this modern age, and the behaviors that strangle European people, or rather. The people most harmed via the psychological scars of the Enlightenment. Side note; that is essentially what Conservatism is, a defense mechanism, birthed from the Terror, no matter how valorous it may be, it is still poor one, not because it is wrong, it is desperately correct, but as evidenced from its failure to truly conserve anything, as a younger sibling, sharing the same genealogy of a ruinous ideology. You cannot reason with Terror.
Right back to Freud. I am speaking of his theory on Thanatos: The Death Drive; or, to discard will to struggle, and preserve.
Freud spoke of quiescence, that is. To return to that which was prior to the emergence of being; to end struggle. It is not only that the organism(s) is simply suicidal; but now seeks abrogation on its own terms, and will not only erect barriers to prevent
the possibility of trauma, how to deal with it, but will also resist outside systems that would dissipate the drive to self end.
In extreme cases of psycho-spiritual damage. The Death Drive & Pleasure Principle will work in tandem. In merrily assisting the organism to achieve its end goal of termination. Bluntly feel good actions are undertaken to assist in dissolution. In Europeans this has manifested in perverse ways, marked often by policy. Be it Political or "Humanitarian" or otherwise and this strange invention, this thing they call Progress.
As "Thanatos", or The Death Drive is the inversion of Eros; The Life Drive. We see noted behaviours, particularly, the dissipation of the self. Which today is a uniquely European phenomenon, no other group does this in such a large number. In the discarding of "self" there is no longer need to search or maintain links, links to ancestry, people, or even past practices, nor treasured instruments of bygone institutions. Once a people have been effectively hollowed out, Atomisation, anomie, quickly follow which reduces the costs what would widely be seen as disloyalty in coherent groups. Other pathologies arise, such as in group self-sterilisation, harmful or closed sexual practices, Sexual/Gender confusion, the complementarity is broken, and so on.
"you don`t know, while looking at the world, how it is or why it is, that you are looking at the world in that way".... well i think i kind of do to quite a good degree, not that it helps with anything... "because that would just be too complicated, and second, you wouldn`t be able to concentrate on what was actually going on".... Damn true, that`s exactly how it works
Guy in the front row on Facebook 21:03 whilst Jordan is speaking of distractions whilst trying to study ...Funny
Haha I caught that too
He's a mess 😊
sort yourself out bucko. Only human
you getting distracted by the guy in the front row on Facebook 21:03 whilst Jordan is speaking of distractions whilst trying to study.. even funnier
This is a blessed man. You have really changed my life. Back on my track. What I was designed for. Greetings professor Peterson. Kenyans love you.
Are you in Kenya watching this? This world is amazing
I listen to his lectures with an unseemly greed. I want more and he keeps giving more.
My favorite part is when the class claps for him because they were so grateful for the lecture.
I saw multiple comments like that it's very common where i study (the Netherlands) is it not common in other countries?
Freshman year and first-class in university my history professor started to rant and make fun of psychoanalytic literature, and he is in the department of perception and attention research. Once again, JBP is right on.
Your lectures have helped me navigate life with more purpose. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
23:00 I have more lucid dreams then not. I also believe my previous choices in life are reflected in my dreams. As such, I'm not just an observer, I control them to some extent.
I enjoy these lectures so much. Seriously makes me want to move to this school so I can take the lectures in person
Thank you Jordan. You offer invaluable wisdom and knowledge.
the Bible also does
I can't watch these and not think how completely overwhelming to imagine what it would be like to answer essay questions on the final that this guy is going to read.
These lessons by Jordan Peterson are gold.
I am studying to become a Therapist I’ve heard you mention Freud so many times now I’m studying him.
Thanks so much Jordan.
Wow what an interesting thing when you say how Woman evolved into different creatures since the Birth Pill… yeh I get that.
So woman that don’t have access are different … kinda.
Today woman gave soooo many choices ie not to get pregnant ie the amount of contraception choices…
No need so much to pregnant today if they don’t want to.
Listening to JP while high slaps like nobody's bussiness. Great talk. Treating Freud with more respect moving forward
Very deep Mr Peterson. Great job on all listener’s behalf.
When I was younger I smoked a fair bit, which subdued my dreams, now I'm older the smoke has gone but my dreams are dull and grey compared to how I recall them as a kid. Moral of the storey -- make the most of your dreams :)
This is a rare and special concept, I'm really happy you've covered this J-Bills. If you haven't written about sub personas you should.
So here i am watching jordan peterson psychology lecture instead of studying for my obstetric exam!
I've more than once found my own memory of an event to be faulty, the more distant in time the event, the more faulty it ends up being. I've only ever been able to recall an event perfectly when that event has just happened. The more distant the event, the less sure I am about the details. I've always considered memory to be a story that you tell that happens to always include me as the main character, even if I take no action in the memory. Because memories are just treated as stories by your brain, they are often unconsciously edited.
Dr. Peterson,
When I dream I usually experience it from the same view as I have in waking life, I can see my arms in front of me. Sometimes I dream that I am someone else, I look in the mirror and it's not me. My favourite thing to do when lucid dreaming is to sit in a meditative posture while watching a TV, or to pick up a book and try to read the weird Jung Red Book like images that they contain. I am not sure how to use my capabilities, I can lucid dream every day.
Sorting Myself Out I’d explore the limits of imagination.
"Well, because you're a mess, that's basically why" LOL nothing like putting it like it is.
The great thing about Jordan Peterson’s videos is that they’re almost providing a sort of free mental health care.
Fascinating conceptual layout. The applause at the end was a nice and appropriate touch.
I won’t lie; I am not a fan of Peterson’s politics, but he is spot on with his commentary on Freud, Jung, and alcoholism. He’s popular for a reason. Zizek said Peterson has risen to such a level because “the left does not have its house in order.” He’s right. 5 million subscribers proves that thesis.
The subconscious: Those programs that are running in the background that we pay no attention to yet dictate our every choice and make it appear as if we have constant ongoing freewill.
Such a good night tonight and this makes it better..
Thank you Dr Peterson!
the thing about being your tyrant and restricting and criticizing your action- that describes me
Man, wish I could've taken a class like this with peterson.