How To Measure/Cut Tractor PTO Shaft THE EASY WAY!!
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- The EASIEST and most consistent way to measure and cut a tractor PTO shaft. Measure BEFORE connecting implement to tractor. Cut with angle grinder and steel cutting wheel.
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Tim I'm sure you already know this but for anyone who doesn't, wrap a piece of paper around whatever you want to cut and line the edges of the paper where they overlap. This ensures a straight line around the object to be cut. I was a pipefitter and now I'm on the internet which means I know everything regardless of being right or wrong ! :)
“This time, I’m going to do it right” if I had a nickel for every time I’ve said that very thing!!! Great job Tim. 🙏
Great video Tim. I used a Diablo extreme metal reciprocating saw blade. Cut like a hot knife through butter. No chatter, no sparks and no turning the shaft. Cut in 10 seconds or less.
Tim, thanks.
I bought my tiller 21 years ago to go on the back of my Kubota B1700. When I sold the tractor and upgraded to a BX the lift arm to PTO output length was shorter. The shaft is about 1/4 inch too long to install after 3 point hookup.
So, for 15 years I’ve struggled with installation… Additionally, I tighten my top link to get more ground clearance when loading it on my trailer. If I forget to lengthen it before I till, the shaft actually bottoms out. By luck, I haven’t damaged the PTO unit or drive yet!
You’ve inspired me to “do it right” and shorten the PTO. It’ll be one less thing to worry about, easier to connect and a disaster averted!
Again, thanks.
When I purchase an implement with a PTO shaft, I will now know the correct way to measure & cut the shaft. Thanks Tim for the awesome info. Keep up the good work
Great video Tim. I would caution you on your method of measuring the length to cut. It worked for you, because your shaft was horizontal going into your implement. If the shaft sloped down going into your implement and you measured and cut your shaft, it would be too long when you raised up your 3 point hitch, potentially causing some damage. In addition, depending on the attachment, adjusting the angle of the quick hitch by changing the length of the top link could also shorten the PTO shaft and cause a problem. You do mention to test the length by raising and lowering the 3 point hitch to check the length, but it is better to check that before you cut. Because of these issues, I always leave more than one inch gap, test raising and lowering the 3 point hitch to see how much the shaft length would change, and ensure that I also test adjusting the top link. One other thing to test when cutting the PTO shaft is that after cutting, you still have the minimum overlap of the two shaft parts that is required throughout that range of motion and adjustments. Minimum overlap depends on what the manufacturer of the PTO shaft says it should be.
Fortunately for me, I’ve never had to cut one, or had a problem. But after your episode with the catastrophic damage to the PTO on the tractor, it made a lasting impression of the consequences of not measuring. Valuable info. Blessings.
Great video!!! Thank you, I just bought a used brush hog and I’m having to cut down my PTO shaft. It’s been years since I had to cut one down and needed the reminder. You guys rock.
Well done, Tim! A step-by-step instruction, reasoning and execution always ends with the "best functional and safe solution". Having cut many PTO shafts in my near 74 years, I enjoy a detailed explanation. Great job, my friend! Muchas "goodoo"! (A Little Tex-Mex for ya!)
Hey Tim. Great video, the pto is compressed the most when it's level so as you go up or down it should extend out. That being said for a attachment like a rotary cutter it would be important to cut the shaft more then just a half inch past the tractor shaft because you need to take into account that when you go through a swale the angles change the pto could compress even further. Cutting the shaft on a rotary cutter isn't as fussy because it's such a long shaft you still have tons of overlap.
When I bought my tiller, I did some measuring. Then I went and bought a quick hitch. I still had to cut more of the shaft than I wanted, but that extra 4.5" made it doable. Now, I'm enjoying the benefits of the quick hitch.
Great video Tim. I would have only cut 2.5" off the inside shaft. But after watching this video and listen to you explain why you need to cut both shafts I now understand cutting only one shaft would be wrong. The light bulb clicked on. Thanks for taking the time to go over the proper way to cut a PTO shaft and why.
My light bulb never clicked! lol It makes sense cutting both sides for sure, but in my mind say you needed to cut 2" total. To me that's 1" off each side. I watched someone before this video and that's what they did. I saw Tim and thought he's a pretty thorough guy, so I watched and now I am confused. He also didn't mention anything about when the 3 point is at full height.
@@johnpyle8027 i’m with you. why does he need to cut 2” on both sides if he only needs to remove 2”?
Ha! Well, since they overlap, if you want to shorten by 2”, you have to shorten both ends by 2”. It took me awhile to grasp this as well.
You can experiment visually with it…you will get it when you see them sliding together.
@@TractorTimewithTim yup i get it now! thank you.
@John sorry I missed this comment.
I tried to explain it…but you may have to visualize it for yourself. I assure you that my statement is correct. To shorten the shaft 2”, you’ll need to trim 2” off each side…remember, they are overlapping.
As for 3 pt at full height. I think (but not sure) that I said you should measure at height where distance is the least. Usually this is ‘down’, but I suppose it would not need to be.
Tim, outstandingly good video and instruction. I learned a lot of useful information. I appreciate also your reading of the Proverbs. The bloopers are priceless too.
Awesome job explaining how to properly cut the shafts , truth is I never had to cut any yet. I'm not going to lie I thought off the top of my head I only need to do the one end lol. Learned something new today and I appreciate you taking the time to teach us all! God Bless you both
Very nicely explained simpler procedure. Hated having to struggle to remove and reinstall the plastic sleeve. Thanks!
Nicely done, course I had watched your previous video when I had to cut pto for my new tiller. It made sense to me and I got it cut just fine. Thanks again nice video.
God Bless
Hi Tim,
Great video as always.
One thing I do, is to use standard engine oil on the PTO shaft connection versus grease. It makes the connections easier, especially in cold weather.
I just purchased a chipper and was worried about cutting the pto shaft, You saved the day😂 A real easy way to cut it. Thanks for all your videos
Fantastic job, nice and easy instructions,very detailed.
Nicely done.
I removed the plastic sleeves by pressing in the white tabs.
I then sawed the plastic separately.
This allowed me to get the shafts in the vice securely.
Then you can cut the shafts with whatever cutting device you may have.
It is a good idea to protect the surface of the male shaft to prevent interference with the female.
Also a good idea to make sure the shafts do not “bottom out” at the furthest reaches of your lift.
I agree. Two different shaft suppliers that I used advised their best practice was to separate the halves and separate the plastic casing from the steel shafts before cutting anything.
Nice video I like the way you explain the process. Just watched the video from 3years. It was very good. Have to fit for a new 4ft brush hog. Thanks again for video.
Real good video. Saving time, equipment, and sometimes life or limb. Thank you for illustrating "by doing" all these things.
You are the best Tim. Thank you. Ive watched so many of your videos that youre beginning to feel like family!😀
Great job, Tim! I appreciate the tip to disengage the rear PTO so it is easier to align the splines.
Wow , Mr. Tim that was the best explanation of that I've ever seen . I'm about to have to do that , so thank you very much
It is refreshing to learn new things without having to listen to profanity and crudeness. I love that you add scripture to your videos. You have an amazing CZcams ministry.
Good timing. I will soon be cutting my first PTO shaft. I leant my bush hog to my nephew and......he broke the PTO shaft. He did replace it, but it fit his tractor, which is bigger than mine, so I will need to cut it down. I wasn't quite sure how to go about it so I appreciate the video.
Thanks for the video. Your father must have known my dad. Whenever he cut something 3 times it was still too short. When I cut my PTO shaft I took the cover off the shaft and cut them separately. Keeping them together and cutting is a much simpler process. I also love my Masterforce grinder. One safety hint, when using power tools tuck your hoodie strings inside so they don't accidentally get caught in the tool. Oh I almost forgot. I just got my Ken's extended top hook for my imatch. Keep up the great videos and have a joyous Christmas from Minnesota.
i do not have any PTO powered equipment but your instructions make sense to me. It would complicate things but I think that safety tube is easily removed. If it is steel shaft could be held more securely in the vise. Rotating that steel shaft while cutting looked good.
Great Video Tim. Am looking at getting a tiller and this video will definitely help.
Nice hose clamp collection and stand you have there. I’ve always worried and measured for maximum pto shaft length with the implement in the shortest position. It’s not easy, so I like your way, thanks for the demo.
I appreciate this video it was very helpful. Thank you for your time and effort.
Super informative, clear and concise...great video Tim. (Enjoy the outtakes as well.)
Very informative video, I even understood!....Well done,Tim!!
Good job Tim well explained pretty easy to follow
Informative video, thank you. Merry Christmas!
Improved great tips. The only suggestion I can make is that after you cut and file the (metal) shafts, stand it up and tap it on the table to knock out the metal filings that might come back to haunt you later. Keep up the great work. I learn so much from your channel.
Thanks for this video! Cutting down my first pto shaft
Good explanation Tim, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this video Tim. It was a good one, so was the verse at the end.
I used a reciprocating saw and it worked great.
Great job Tim. I’ll definitely use this way to measure next time!
Thanks! Great video! I like how you explain extra things. Like why the PTO shaft is not symmetrical to keep joints aligned properly.
Thanks Tim for making this detailed video Its extremely helpful! Oddly enough, I just purchased a Frontier RT3049 tiller for my 2025R and the dealer said I should see it an a few days. I have been nervous about cutting the shaft correctly. I'm much more comfortable after watching this video. I have the I match quick hitch also. Now to remove the backhoe for the first time....
Congrats on the new tiller. 3049 is incredible. The backhoe is easy. don't worry about it!
Thank You sir. This video was everything I was looking for +2 unexpected little tips.
Now that's a beaut I can remember my Grandpa going to auctions and buying ole Army truck's for his logging/forestry business I got the task of driving most of them home good times. God bless y'all from South Carolina viewer.
Sorry Tim that comment was for another CZcams channel for some odd reason y'all got it instead my apologies and merry Christmas to you and your wife and family God bless y'all from South Carolina viewer
Very nice! Thank you for sharing this information!
Very helpful. And important.
You do a great job Tim. Thanks Larry
Good morning Tim from North Dakota! Good Video. I would maybe include a comment on if a person uses a quick connect PTO. Often everyone forgets when they pick one of those up.
Awesome video!!!!! I have never cut one of my shafts but feel I could do it now. Thanks!!!
Of course you could!
Very good information Tim it will be very helpful have a day love from TEXAS
When I first got my B2410 I bought a tiller and finish mower, I set them both up without a QA. Later on I got a QA and the FM PTO was usable, but the tiller was too short. Instead of replacing the PTO with a new one and cutting it to fit, I found a PTO adapter with same inside 1 3/8" 6 spline with the same outside spline. So if you plan to add a QA and get new attachments first, wait until you get the Quick Attach mounted before cutting the shaft.
Just used your instructions worked perfectly.
Glad to hear!
Hi Tim, one important thing when measuring is to check the shaft at ALL positions - lowered, horizontal, and fully raised. Not all tractors maintain an even arc, and you want your cut to suit the shortest distance through that arc. There'll still be plenty of overlap then for the longest distance.
Mines 1" shorter lifted
And what happens is if it fits down but barely when you lift it can brake the pto because it pushes it in so hard
@@loganmartin8613 cut to accommodate shortest distance
Thanks, Tim. You made it look easy.
It IS easy :-). Have confidence!
I appreciate the way to teach.
This is a great, easy to understand video on how this is done! So far we've only had to cut ouor wood chipper pto, since it was too long for oour New Holland. I'm not sure how Erik measured it, but I think he had to cut it twice if I remember right! It's always a a scary idea since new PTO's are so dang expensive! But this approach takes much of the fear factor out :)
Thanks Suzanne!
Thanks Suzanne!
Excellent guide thanks as always amazing quality videos. Have you tried using a band saw to cut the shaft ? Thanks 🙏
Excellent how to video thanks
Nice.. Will do it sometime this week.
I agree, this one was better (more detailed) than the one released on 12/4/18. When I saw the title, I thought you had covered this before.
Yes. I have always regretted that episode.
I KNEW I could do better! Ever been there?
@@TractorTimewithTim only on every video I have ever made so far. 😄
Hey Tim, great video. I have used a sawzall for my first time. Ok, but not as easy as a cut-off wheel on a grinder. To mark the line, I wrapped a piece of colored electrical tape around the shaft. Easy to follow the tape edge. Great videos.
Explain how a Sawzall is harder to use for this than cutoff wheel on grinder. Go:
@@alteredaustin1 Personal preference. That is all.
Great episode. Guess only thing I'd do differently is using a paint marker vs a blade and soap stone. Sharpies are great in silver or gold and marks pretty much everything.
Ugh! You are right! I have both! Didn’t think that through very well.
Tim as someone who uses a grinder for a living and don't want you to get hurt, always have the sparks going twords you, because if it pinches (caught in the metal) it will go twords you ( possible cut or worse). If the sparks are going to you and catches it will go away from you so no injury. Stay safe and have a great Christmas
Tim, you should do a video on everything that's wrong about the Pto Link system. It adds length, screws up dimensions for pull type implements and drawbar length, adds another joint in the rotating mass to cause more runout, moves the universal joint and shield away from the tractor shield, and on and on. I can't believe this dangerous contraption is actually on the market.
Do you mean the pto quick Kinect? czcams.com/video/7NuAQIpzBRo/video.htmlsi=i6MebJW5e5HF6GCw
Great video. Something don’t have to do very often but good review how to.👍❄️Think Snow❄️☃️
Thanks Tim, getting prepared for a tiller. I guess I should get a 3 point quick hitch...
Tim you can take the outer plastic sleeve off quite easily. The red tab unlocks the white plastic ring from the outer plastic shield allowing it to slide off of the metal shaft.
But I have broken the tabs in the past, and I do not know where to get replacement shields. My approach is most conservative for me.
I just got a yanmar rs1200 tiller had do matanance on it 1 bearing on the tiller end shaft now its fixed ready to use
Bought a new brush hog today and are preparing for the process & procedure for checking & cutting my PTO shaft mating lenghts. Have done it several times before but always enjoy a "refresher course" as reinforcement for doing it right. Great job, Tim. Always appreciate your clear and concise "how-to" instructions. I would add one small item....make certain your PTO shaft mating surfaces are fully greased so that "slip & slide" works when it is suppose to!
Looks good . A very informative video. You could put the part that you are cutting off in the vise. That may cut back on the marring of the plastic guard.
Great how to, thanks
Glad you did another video on this and you hit on some additional points that you did not previously.
Regarding the PTO shaft length -
Every particular tractor model is obviously going to likely have its own dimension from the end of the PTO shaft to the three point arm attachment point center. Likewise, every implement is going to have its own dimension from the PTO input shaft to the three point attachment point center. But variation of implement usage happens - either between tractor models or even between a single tractor's configuration at any given time.
Given your experience with damage to the 2038R because of the PTO shaft being too long, other than trying to keep the PTO shaft as long as possible as you described in this video, is there a reason you do not base your PTO shaft length on the straight line distance between the tractor PTO output shaft and the implement when the implement is attached without a quick hitch?
When I received my 2038R in mid-September this year, and as I got each of my various PTO driven equipment pieces (new and used), I made sure to attach the implement directly to the three point to establish the PTO shaft length. I did this because I wanted to ensure that the PTO shaft length was not too long regardless of how the implements may get attached to the tractor, with or without a quick hitch. Once I ensured that the PTO shafts would not be too long when directly connected to the three point arms I then verified that the PTO shafts would not be too short and have too little engagement between the inner and outer portions of the shaft. My approach to this issue was to protect the tractor at all costs in a "worst case configuration" consideration.
You example in this video clearly would be a very short PTO shaft if this particular implement were directly connected to the three point without a quick hitch.
In the event that an implement is used with multiple tractor models, or multiple configurations of a single tractor, it may in fact require having multiple PTO shafts for that implement to operate safely as well as to protect the tractor(s).
The only thing different I would do is cut the implement end first, if there is a changes it will be the inside part of the shift, not the outside... (you came out with the same results). Have a great day...
nicely done thanks
I'm about to do this but a tip from cutting with a grinder, wrap the plastic tube with tape all around to cut evenly all around. Second part to the tip is funny stupid, but put the tape on the waste part of the tube so you don't have to take it off or mess with melted glue if it gets hot :D
Thanks for the video.
Maybe I'm nitpicking but its commonly called Extended and Collapsed length.
Also Tim, consider a Portable Bandsaw for your tool arsenal. They cut smooth and quickly with no grinder wheel dust. I got a cheap one from HF and it cuts just as good as a Milwaukee.
very informative video
Tim, I use a small cut off saw to cut my PTO shafts. It allows you to clamp the shaft during cutting and a miter saw to cut the plastic case. The cut off saw is about $50.00 at harbor freight and has been worth the cost because of other projects.
I’ve got one. Works great!
Good morning fron North Carolina.
Thanks Tim.
If you'd let me add one thing, that would be to do the raise and lower measurements before you cut the shaft. Believe it or not I've had a JD implement that the shortest PTO position was the raised position and not the lowered position.
That's true on my Kubota with my Stump Grinder. I'm going to measure with the implement fully raised and make sure it doesn't bottom out. Then insure that there just enough clearance to the PTO to be able to install it when the implement is on the ground. Whichever of those two is shorter. I want to maximize the overlap, because it lengthens as it lowers into the ground, and it can rotate if I go too fast, which can further extend the PTO shaft.
Tim, MasterCraft also makes a cordless bandsaw that works real well. It uses the same batteries as your grinder. I'm amazed how much I do use mine. It does create a lot less mess and flying debris. Just a thought for you.
It looks very good. Just make sure that you don't forget to put the PTO shield on your tractor.
I took the plastic off mine before cutting. Just a couple clips to remove. Made it a lot easier. Also used a metal blade in a "Sawz-All" which made short work of it.
Ok, well, I disagree with ‘easier due to removing plastic’, and I disagree that sawzall is easier. I used sawzall in the earlier episode. …the approach shown in this episode is much easier for me.
May be so. Was my first one and I didn't have an angle grinder at the time. Fixed that problem though.
Thank you Prof. Tim for another good lesson in Tractor Attachments 110. If we don't have soapstones, would metallic Sharpies work well for marking out where to cut?
Yes, or paint pens.
Thank you
Dang learned something! Put the pto selector in mid to spin the rear shaft, been struggling with that
Ah good. Glad you saw that!
Excellent timing! Explained very clearly.
I have a new post drill that has to be installed. I don’t have a quick hitch and my concern is the range of vertical motion. Is there anything different to watch for when cutting the shaft length?
Thank you for the video!
I’m not sure you will need to cut the shaft for a PHD. Put it on, remove the auger, and slowly test the range of motion.
@@TractorTimewithTim Awesome, will give it a go. Greatly appreciate your reply!
Tim, thinks for doing video over I’ve just pick up my new bush hog from homestead implements and
I’ve been real nervous about cutting it. I will watch it several times to make sure I can cut it with out
Messing it up. Lol. Here hoping I can .
Measure twice!
Rotary cutters have longer shafts, so you have more room for error. Be confident! You will do fine!
Bandsaw works well for cutting driveshafts
Tim I would have said extended and retracted. What a interesting language we have we said the exact same thing too totally different ways. And I'm sure there's several other ways it could be said too!
I should have used those terms. Oh well.
Thanks I just cut mine off 2" on my yanmar 155d to my tiller
An easy way too make your cutting marks is to use painters tape.. you can use brake cleaner prior so the tape holds, but it will be a good guide and easy to see as you go to cut.
I clamp the exposed end of the PTO shaft in the vice to cut the plastic cover first, that way you can rotate it while cutting. To cut the shaft, I clamp a piece of pipe in the vice and slide the shaft over it so it can be rotated while cutting it with the grinder. Using a piece of tape for a guide also helps to keep things square.
Use a hose clamp to mark your cut line and leave on when making cuts. This will ensure good even cuts!
Enjoyed
Thank you sir
Perfect timing. My flail mower showed up today.
Congratulations!
Is this going to be better then the TKV MCS? Great video of the shaft cutting made it look pretty simple. I like how you keep things simple, straightforward and commonsense in your videos!
‘Next generation’ TKV20 by the same company. TKV20 still available…a bit less expensive.
Thanks for the kind words.