According to a forensic animation, it basically implies this was a design flaw. Normally the bow is not critical, but it plays an important roll in rough seas. On this ship, the bow was mostly decorative to cover a ramp and a very large cargo door. The bow was light enough to flip up out of the way. According to the animation, the door was likely greater than 8x8 meters. The diagrams show two trucks able to fit side by side. It might have been fine for years but the stresses placed on it because of this storm caused the bow to break away damaging and opening the door in the process. When you have large waves attacking the ship from the front and a big opening in the front, it doesn't take long for A LOT of water to get in. According to the animation, the ship became unstable and began to list very quickly.
Well to be more accurate about the reasons of the disaster, the locks of the front visor failed due to rough weather/high speed/big waves. Originally this ship was NOT designed to be operated on open seas/such conditions, but it was also for sure dangerous design flaw that the locks of the front visor were only designed to withstand certain amount before giving in....even more so than that kind of visor that goes up (when there is another alternative that many other ships used which are doors that slide to the sides and in rough water the waves actually push such doors more together which is why its much safer design), another dangerous design flaw was that as the visor fell down, it then tore the car ramp down with it also and there were NO water proof doors whatsoever behind it, thus water could get in for the WHOLE LENGTH of the car deck/ship. And that ultimately doomed Estonia. Furthermore from the command deck there was no clear view to the very front of the ship, so captain and other ppl there could not see the locks breaking and the visor falling off...all they could hear were the loud bangs as the locks failed and the visor banged against the bow as it hanged on for a while before falling off. But ye, as with most major accidents/disasters there were several factors that lead into this disaster.
Now you just said something I did not pick up before. "This ship was not designed to be operated on open seas." I think that explains a lot. The locks on the front visor were not designed to handle this situation, where there would be high stress on the bow. They might have been fine indefinitely had the ship not been put in this situation. And it was not poor design that did it in if it was never designed for this situation. It was poor use contrary to design that actually did it in. Very interesting.
@@Nash1a well both...I mean there were roughly same age ships that had completely different, much safer design where on the bow there were doors that opened sideways instead of this kind of visor that is lifted up...with that kind of design Estonia would have not sunk. Also the way the visor could tear down with it the car ramp + not having waterproof doors behind it + no proper sensors warning about water leaks + no direct visual to the front of the ship from command deck (because it was situated bit more behing than with most similar ships)....so many flaws that allowed this accident to happen
Yes, but again, this ship did not meet the regulations for use on the open seas. I just re-watched the documentary. It was given its certificate in spite of the fact that it did not meet the specs to be used in open seas. You really can't blame the design if the ship was used contrary to its design. I'm not suggesting the design doesn't need to be improved. Not by any means. I mean, to sail any ship where the bow can fall off and the captain not know? Yikes!!! Yes that is bad design. I'm just saying the design is really not specifically to blame here. It was negligence in the decisions made by many individuals that caused this. Even decisions like painting over the door to a life jacked cabinet such that it could not be opened when a passenger needed one represents negligent decisions on the part of the operators. Anyway, thanks for your input.
@@Nash1a ye true, im not saying that those who made the decisions and gave the certificate/permission to use the ship in open seas are to be blamed also...but I guess there ppl would never have thought that the visor could fail like that and ofc in normal conditions it would not have...but either way you are right that the designers/builders of the ship were not the only ones to blame.
First lines Estonia--Mayday Mayday Estonia Please Mariella-Estonia, mariella Estonia, Mariella over. Silja europa--Estonia, Silja europe Silja symphony-Silja europa, Silja Symphony Isabella-Silja europa, Isabella. Finnjet-Silja europa, Finnjet Annette-Antares, annette Antares-Annette, antares
Good morning, Do you speak finnish? Yes, we have a problem here now, a bad list to the right side. I believe that it was twenty, thirty degrees. Could You come to our assistance? And also beg viking line to come our assistance? We have a black out, we cannot get it now. I cannot say it... ill Tell You our position now! 58 latitude, just a moment. 22 Degrees.. So 59 latitude and 22 minutes. It looks really bad... Its looking really bad right now
Its not really rocket science.....once the front visor dropped and tore down the car ramp with it, tons of water would get into the WHOLE LENGTH of the car deck (no water proof doors to seperate it to smaller sections). That combined with captain's decision (who didnt know/had visual about the front of the ship) to turn the ship against the waves very quickly made the ship turn 20-30 degrees to its side and with more water constantly getting in, it would just turn further to its right side. There was quite bad strorm that night so eventually the waves broke the windows of the right side of the ship and thus water would freely get onto the upper decks as well and THATS why Estonia sunk so quickly and why it didnt for example remain floating upside down for a while. But even it had, it would have done little good to those trapped inside the ship obviously.
Estonia was not rusted, look photos, and I have a lot o video peronal from bo visorand interor, the ship look perfct, and it is, ask to my family or all captain of Tallink or silja line he can el yu, the ship was perect, but bow visor was a problem this night and she sink, terrible accident, but the ship was not rusted, and deign is the dsign of 80centurys.. all ship arelook this in this time ;)
This is frightening. I wonder how the captain of Silja Europa found the rest for some kind of laughter (3:36), but maybe the situation was still not very clear at that time. And it's better to have a laughing captain than somebody who's panic-driven when it comes to an emergency case. The Estonia captain sounded very desperate, but hundreds of lives were in danger, so what can you expect? My gosh, I cannot even imagine how the people on the bridge on Estonia (and its passengers, of course) must have felt within these moments when you realize that you're about to sink and probably die.
Its obvious he was trying to get his words together he went: "ah uhh uhm..." And corrected himself afterwards, he was trying to say "Mariella, Europa" but said "Europa, Mariella"
Yes it can actually and its quite simple. As the ship turned it to its side due to sudden loss of balance when car deck was flooded through the open car ramp that the broken visor teared down with it, the high waves did the rest. They broke windows on Estonia's right side and thus water quickly flooded the upper decks and ofc it only got worse as the ship listed completely on its side and then upside down. It wasnt just the car deck that got flooded, thats where people get confused as why Estonia sank so quickly and all it required was flooding through the windows and doors from the right side. Again you need to rememer at what force the waves were hitting the ship that night, thats what broke the visor in the first place
@@AnnWahlquist based on what information? 😂 you can continue to believe in conspiracy theories all you want but the matter of fact is the visor broke off and the car ramp was just behind it and we also have eye witnesses from crew sayinf they saw massive amounts of water flowing to car deck from the front. But keep denying that all you want if that makes you feel better
Sillja Europa is from the same Shipyard as Estonia!
I like that design ._. . Btw
IN 8 MINUTES THE SHIP WAS ALREADY HORIZONTAL. SO INTENSE...
From behind when he says 22 an officer shouts 21.40
According to a forensic animation, it basically implies this was a design flaw. Normally the bow is not critical, but it plays an important roll in rough seas. On this ship, the bow was mostly decorative to cover a ramp and a very large cargo door. The bow was light enough to flip up out of the way. According to the animation, the door was likely greater than 8x8 meters. The diagrams show two trucks able to fit side by side. It might have been fine for years but the stresses placed on it because of this storm caused the bow to break away damaging and opening the door in the process. When you have large waves attacking the ship from the front and a big opening in the front, it doesn't take long for A LOT of water to get in. According to the animation, the ship became unstable and began to list very quickly.
Well to be more accurate about the reasons of the disaster, the locks of the front visor failed due to rough weather/high speed/big waves. Originally this ship was NOT designed to be operated on open seas/such conditions, but it was also for sure dangerous design flaw that the locks of the front visor were only designed to withstand certain amount before giving in....even more so than that kind of visor that goes up (when there is another alternative that many other ships used which are doors that slide to the sides and in rough water the waves actually push such doors more together which is why its much safer design), another dangerous design flaw was that as the visor fell down, it then tore the car ramp down with it also and there were NO water proof doors whatsoever behind it, thus water could get in for the WHOLE LENGTH of the car deck/ship. And that ultimately doomed Estonia. Furthermore from the command deck there was no clear view to the very front of the ship, so captain and other ppl there could not see the locks breaking and the visor falling off...all they could hear were the loud bangs as the locks failed and the visor banged against the bow as it hanged on for a while before falling off.
But ye, as with most major accidents/disasters there were several factors that lead into this disaster.
Now you just said something I did not pick up before. "This ship was not designed to be operated on open seas." I think that explains a lot. The locks on the front visor were not designed to handle this situation, where there would be high stress on the bow. They might have been fine indefinitely had the ship not been put in this situation. And it was not poor design that did it in if it was never designed for this situation. It was poor use contrary to design that actually did it in. Very interesting.
@@Nash1a well both...I mean there were roughly same age ships that had completely different, much safer design where on the bow there were doors that opened sideways instead of this kind of visor that is lifted up...with that kind of design Estonia would have not sunk.
Also the way the visor could tear down with it the car ramp + not having waterproof doors behind it + no proper sensors warning about water leaks + no direct visual to the front of the ship from command deck (because it was situated bit more behing than with most similar ships)....so many flaws that allowed this accident to happen
Yes, but again, this ship did not meet the regulations for use on the open seas. I just re-watched the documentary. It was given its certificate in spite of the fact that it did not meet the specs to be used in open seas. You really can't blame the design if the ship was used contrary to its design. I'm not suggesting the design doesn't need to be improved. Not by any means. I mean, to sail any ship where the bow can fall off and the captain not know? Yikes!!! Yes that is bad design. I'm just saying the design is really not specifically to blame here. It was negligence in the decisions made by many individuals that caused this. Even decisions like painting over the door to a life jacked cabinet such that it could not be opened when a passenger needed one represents negligent decisions on the part of the operators. Anyway, thanks for your input.
@@Nash1a ye true, im not saying that those who made the decisions and gave the certificate/permission to use the ship in open seas are to be blamed also...but I guess there ppl would never have thought that the visor could fail like that and ofc in normal conditions it would not have...but either way you are right that the designers/builders of the ship were not the only ones to blame.
First lines
Estonia--Mayday Mayday Estonia Please
Mariella-Estonia, mariella
Estonia, Mariella over.
Silja europa--Estonia, Silja europe
Silja symphony-Silja europa, Silja Symphony
Isabella-Silja europa, Isabella.
Finnjet-Silja europa, Finnjet
Annette-Antares, annette
Antares-Annette, antares
It's Visor had technical problems, but now all Ferrys have safety air-tight door's added.
Just Latvian No
@@susannemykkanen6074 seems fishy to me.
There's also new drains on the cargo deck, so that water wedges don't form on the cargo deck and capsize the ferry.
R. I. P.
There has been cut off some talks with Silja Europa! We would like to hear all conversation, not a cut one.
czcams.com/video/V5tbah19qo8/video.html
Here you go.
Thats not the full conversation! Thats even more cutted!
@@Nomannium wtf? Thats 30 minutes long you idiot
Good morning, Do you speak finnish? Yes, we have a problem here now, a bad list to the right side. I believe that it was twenty, thirty degrees. Could You come to our assistance? And also beg viking line to come our assistance? We have a black out, we cannot get it now. I cannot say it... ill Tell You our position now! 58 latitude, just a moment. 22 Degrees.. So 59 latitude and 22 minutes. It looks really bad... Its looking really bad right now
This is fast talking
Trauma.
Absoluter Wahnsinn.
Estonia sank totally abnormally fast, within one hour. Really strange coz it was a big ship. How all the air could get out so fast?
Thats the issue with these types of ferries. 10 cm water inside the car deck is enough to completely sink her.
Its not really rocket science.....once the front visor dropped and tore down the car ramp with it, tons of water would get into the WHOLE LENGTH of the car deck (no water proof doors to seperate it to smaller sections). That combined with captain's decision (who didnt know/had visual about the front of the ship) to turn the ship against the waves very quickly made the ship turn 20-30 degrees to its side and with more water constantly getting in, it would just turn further to its right side. There was quite bad strorm that night so eventually the waves broke the windows of the right side of the ship and thus water would freely get onto the upper decks as well and THATS why Estonia sunk so quickly and why it didnt for example remain floating upside down for a while. But even it had, it would have done little good to those trapped inside the ship obviously.
...Lusitania
@@NiklasAdv No way. That does not sink a ship like that, you have to have a hole in the bottom under the car deck.
The bow visor has broken off.
Estonia was not rusted, look photos, and I have a lot o video peronal from bo visorand interor, the ship look perfct, and it is, ask to my family or all captain of Tallink or silja line he can el yu, the ship was perect, but bow visor was a problem this night and she sink, terrible accident, but the ship was not rusted, and deign is the dsign of 80centurys.. all ship arelook this in this time ;)
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The Estonia radio officer seems to be incapable of carrying out a basic emergency call. Shows the lack of training.
He also sounds distressed, which nornally doesn't happen to radio operators
They found his body in the bridge a month later
This is frightening. I wonder how the captain of Silja Europa found the rest for some kind of laughter (3:36), but maybe the situation was still not very clear at that time. And it's better to have a laughing captain than somebody who's panic-driven when it comes to an emergency case. The Estonia captain sounded very desperate, but hundreds of lives were in danger, so what can you expect? My gosh, I cannot even imagine how the people on the bridge on Estonia (and its passengers, of course) must have felt within these moments when you realize that you're about to sink and probably die.
The hero who was on the bridge was the M/S Estonia's Third Officer Andres Tammes, he asked for assistance until the end.
Many people laugh out of disbelief or nervousness, this has nothing to do with happy laughter
@@ellipsis101 he obviously just got his words mixed up, everyone has those moments when you forget or mix words. Definitely didnt sound like laughing
He basically reacted to the fact that this does not happen everyday
Its obvious he was trying to get his words together he went: "ah uhh uhm..." And corrected himself afterwards, he was trying to say "Mariella, Europa" but said "Europa, Mariella"
Palun eesti keeles
Why is the audio like more fasted tf?
What do you mean?
search the full radio recording on yt
Very old animation, probably 100% analog audio with many copies, makes it poor. Also the device may have been broken, too fast rolling on the cassette
A ship cant sink the way Estonia did without a whole beneath the car deck.....
yeah all the bombs and the sabotage that led to the desaster. we heard the stories.
Yes it can actually and its quite simple. As the ship turned it to its side due to sudden loss of balance when car deck was flooded through the open car ramp that the broken visor teared down with it, the high waves did the rest. They broke windows on Estonia's right side and thus water quickly flooded the upper decks and ofc it only got worse as the ship listed completely on its side and then upside down. It wasnt just the car deck that got flooded, thats where people get confused as why Estonia sank so quickly and all it required was flooding through the windows and doors from the right side. Again you need to rememer at what force the waves were hitting the ship that night, thats what broke the visor in the first place
@@Balnazzardi ok buddyboy... the ramp was never open....
@@AnnWahlquist based on what information? 😂 you can continue to believe in conspiracy theories all you want but the matter of fact is the visor broke off and the car ramp was just behind it and we also have eye witnesses from crew sayinf they saw massive amounts of water flowing to car deck from the front.
But keep denying that all you want if that makes you feel better
@@Balnazzardi EXACTLY, there's eyewitnesses saying it was shut and there was water pouring in from the sides ...
incredible incompetence of the crew
Estonia was rusted and old ferry with bad design
Just Latvian It was in good shape as today's boats
It was only 15 year old ship. So not old at all.
Its wasnt rusted. It was very good and beautiful .
@@helpmewtfisthat1561 No, even the doors were overpainted