This Cooler Makes No Sense - Fluix Tri-Swift

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    Turbulent blocks have been around for a while, but when the Tri-Swift from Fluix was claiming to be 25% better than the competition with pricing to match, we had to test it for ourselves against an EK Quantum Velocity² on the same custom loop.
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  • @dennishunsdon8343
    @dennishunsdon8343 Před rokem +5211

    I've dealt with water so much I've been up to my neck in it. And with that kind of experience I can tell you that the first hole is positive (out), and the second is negative (in). This means the third hole is obviously your ground hole. It's basic waternomics.

  • @ItsMeArda
    @ItsMeArda Před rokem +3140

    I guess splitting the flow to two same-sized tubes halves the speed of the flow. Using tubes with smaller diameters might actually increase the performance.

    • @RedRingOfDead
      @RedRingOfDead Před rokem +241

      Oh for sure. Or a larger outbound tube.
      But this,this is just awful

    • @priitmolder6475
      @priitmolder6475 Před rokem +78

      Only way I would see this twin port make sense: instead of straight fins, they would be wavy. Tho the wave amplitude (lack of a better term) should be rather small to avoid Tesla valve effect.

    • @robotiod
      @robotiod Před rokem +43

      Yeah with the split design the water coming into the block is at a trickle compared to just 1 intake. Your idea would work conserving the pressure of the water but I think at best you would only match the performance of a traditional block. It's not like the surface area is increased in any way by coming in from 2 directions. The water will only be in the block half the time compared to a traditional block.

    • @lifeisgood12341
      @lifeisgood12341 Před rokem +16

      Im not sure that matters since it will be cut down to the final diameter in the block.

    • @teardowndan5364
      @teardowndan5364 Před rokem +20

      Water blocks with a single intake or outlet in the middle using a mid-plate to channel the flow down the center of the micro-fins stack are splitting flow within the water block, either via fin-less channels along the edges or galleries in the cover.

  • @jjc259
    @jjc259 Před rokem +808

    Chemical engineering grad here. I’d just like to say how awesome is it to see you guys presenting the theory behind transport phenomena in a water-block!

    • @Matt561
      @Matt561 Před rokem +9

      It was an interesting bit of information to learn for me

    • @r.vincenta.9678
      @r.vincenta.9678 Před rokem +3

      I understood what was said (also chem eng) but did his general audience do as well?

    • @xitup1
      @xitup1 Před rokem +12

      @@r.vincenta.9678 I'm an EE and it was nice to get a quick lesson in fluid mechanics. Honestly, I think he did a great job at keeping it simple enough for the average person like me. I've spent my whole career in reliability for power transmission systems and then in designing of such grids so my knowledge of chem engg concepts is extremely limited.

    • @r.vincenta.9678
      @r.vincenta.9678 Před rokem +4

      @@xitup1 I do agree that the material presented was clear and simplified enough but I felt that terms like "laminar", "turbulent flow", etc were thrown a bit too casually without something to help his viewers.

    • @itzrecklesss8719
      @itzrecklesss8719 Před rokem +3

      you a chemical engineering major? I'm sorry you had to experience certain classes. I heard some classes where horrible

  • @LonelySandwich
    @LonelySandwich Před rokem +340

    Could we get Tynan to start doing some co-hosting? I love his energy and getting technical stuff is always awesome!

  • @BISONBOT94
    @BISONBOT94 Před rokem +455

    Tynan gave a very approachable intro to boundary later heat transfer. Hopefully as Labs continues to grow this type of content can continue to make its way into LTT videos in some capacity. Keep it up!

    • @mmmaxxx__
      @mmmaxxx__ Před rokem +3

      I also want more Tynan screen time for education purposes

    • @discipleofdagon8195
      @discipleofdagon8195 Před rokem +2

      @@mmmaxxx__ more Tynan and alex

  • @emenesu
    @emenesu Před rokem +375

    That's just the ground cable, Linus.

    • @emenesu
      @emenesu Před rokem +22

      @Jao Bai Dun Thanks for not being a bot, while also being the first to reply. That means the bots must be coming soon tho.

    • @lynspyre
      @lynspyre Před rokem +6

      @Emenesu so does that makes me a bot?

    • @emenesu
      @emenesu Před rokem +22

      @@lynspyre I see no pornography or scams in your post, so you sir are a certified, red-blooded human being. Which is indeed promising. May the bots stay far away from this post.

    • @aetherxsn1591
      @aetherxsn1591 Před rokem +4

      Am.. am I a bot then?

    • @harmonic5107
      @harmonic5107 Před rokem +8

      @@aetherxsn1591 we're all bots now.

  • @danieladams3084
    @danieladams3084 Před rokem +34

    0:58
    “The bulge in your pants shouldn’t be from your wallet”
    Didn’t know this was Linus Sex Tips

  • @robin1987100
    @robin1987100 Před rokem +8

    6:27 always happy to learn about manufacturing processes i didn't knew. Thats pretty damn cool, note how the cut it makes is actually a little longer then the resulting fin.

  • @Kirathian1234
    @Kirathian1234 Před rokem +701

    Anytime a video comes out about expensive water cooling or really good AIO's.. I still can't get over how great the Noctua option holds up or outright beats it. I know half of it is about aesthetics and that's all fair and good but god damn Noctua's designs need to be put into the Smithsonian at this point.

    • @NotAnAlchemist_Ed
      @NotAnAlchemist_Ed Před rokem +81

      Having built my first water cooled system, after a year using it, I say that I´ll stick to Noctuas on future builds. Pretty damn silent and way simpler instalation.

    • @Deses
      @Deses Před rokem +64

      What I don't like about huge air coolers is leaving 1.3 kg of metal hanging from the motherboard. I know it's fine, but I don't like it. :P

    • @dhdtht
      @dhdtht Před rokem +19

      Noctua and Thermalright stuff are dang good

    • @joshuaeah
      @joshuaeah Před rokem +8

      @@Deses It certainly is bulky, and looks precarious

    • @jebote69
      @jebote69 Před rokem +21

      I wonder how you'd feel about the EK's full metal GPU water block for the RTX 3090 founders edition which weights over 3 kg

  • @randomunimportantperson
    @randomunimportantperson Před rokem +319

    Linus: "Core i9-12900K"
    Gigachad editor: **shows pentium cpu**

    • @cyano3d
      @cyano3d Před rokem +1

      Timestamp?

    • @awesomebush8711
      @awesomebush8711 Před rokem +12

      @@cyano3d literally the first second of the video

    • @sissy_christ666
      @sissy_christ666 Před rokem +3

      Should've used Pentium D logo

    • @jamesbrooks9321
      @jamesbrooks9321 Před rokem +6

      @@cyano3d why do people leave comments without watching the video

    • @Suwawako
      @Suwawako Před rokem

      @DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE Ok

  • @ABFox
    @ABFox Před rokem +30

    Recycled tech as well, I remember having a water block back in the days of danger den that also had 3 holes. I don't remember the version, but this is certainly not a new design. The old one sucked too but did have an interchangeable jet plate. It was one intake with two outputs though.

    • @ABFox
      @ABFox Před rokem +3

      Aah! Found it! Dangerden RBX!

    • @pflegefachkraft7595
      @pflegefachkraft7595 Před rokem +2

      @@IRMacGuyver I think they roasted them plenty or even too much. I think it’s crazy to have this be a sole video (wonder how much triflow payed lmg for this treatment).

    • @benjaminwolak5109
      @benjaminwolak5109 Před rokem +2

      I had an Asetek Waterchill kit (CPU+GPU+Chipset) where the CPU block was three holes as well. Same as yours - 1 intake, 2 outlet.

  • @razorsz195
    @razorsz195 Před rokem +30

    I love when linus talks about watercooling, his knowledge be stronk to give bad companies the bonk

  • @ThePlayerOfGames
    @ThePlayerOfGames Před rokem +181

    I'm glad fluix sent this in though, hopefully they can take the feedback and make a good product
    Honestly, they should be commissioning LMG for the in-depth history and understanding of sales

    • @NeuralValley
      @NeuralValley Před rokem +21

      Agreed :)

    • @pflegefachkraft7595
      @pflegefachkraft7595 Před rokem +11

      Reckon they go bankrupt, forgotten or both

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ Před rokem +13

      Why do you want to see a dishonest company succeed?
      Yeah, yeah, every company is dishonest. And every company uses marketing BS. But what Fluix is doing with this product is more than marketing BS, it is flat out lying.

  • @protator
    @protator Před rokem +724

    A few years ago LTT tested a pre-production direct die cooler with rather amazing results ... does anyone know if that thing ever hit the market?

    • @SirMcNoodle
      @SirMcNoodle Před rokem +160

      Yes. It's called the Ncore from Nude CNC but I believe it's only compatible up to 11th gen Intel CPUs.

    • @Return_To_Sender
      @Return_To_Sender Před rokem +48

      Almost any block works with direct die....The issue is the mount. EK, TG, and der8auer are working on a 12th gen direct die mount that should be out soon, look up KitGuruTech's video on it.

    • @blacksmile15
      @blacksmile15 Před rokem +4

      @@SirMcNoodle out

    • @protator
      @protator Před rokem +6

      @@SirMcNoodle Thank you good sir

    • @brianschumes4249
      @brianschumes4249 Před rokem +8

      @@Return_To_Sender derbaur aka roman owns thermal grizzly, just a fyi, so putting TG comma derbaur was redundant, again just a fyi

  • @ReiniGrauer
    @ReiniGrauer Před rokem +19

    Oh man, I remember those early jet impingement waterblocks. I wonder if anyone has attempted a modern version with EDMed pockets and jets to increase density and over a large area.

    • @JehuMcSpooran
      @JehuMcSpooran Před rokem

      Was thinking about that in the shower just now. It was something I was going to do about 15 years ago but life got in the road.

  • @richmanricho
    @richmanricho Před rokem +2

    So glad they talked about Little River. Was very cool watching the changes Cathar made over on overclockers Australia.
    I had one of the storms for my first water cooling!
    Ahhh nostalgia

  • @zarnolite
    @zarnolite Před rokem +28

    Fluid dynamics explained using a visual of Plouffe doing a T pose? Beautiful.

  • @chrisdib9269
    @chrisdib9269 Před rokem +1081

    Hey Linus, you should experiment with direct-die water cooling. It's super niche, but it's super cool and I feel like if done properly by someone like you, could yield very good results.

    • @ev2477
      @ev2477 Před rokem +133

      They already did.

    • @funbox888
      @funbox888 Před rokem +51

      This happened. Theyve delidded several cpus over the years

    • @yukiemeralis2623
      @yukiemeralis2623 Před rokem +72

      I think Linus and Alex did that a few years ago: czcams.com/video/n4O_Dq3xRJA/video.html but a follow-up video would be awesome. Performance and/or stupid cooling experiments are hands down my favorite LTT stuff.

    • @Bioniclema90
      @Bioniclema90 Před rokem +2

      They really should, I wanna see some crazy cooling XD

    • @carsonthornton347
      @carsonthornton347 Před rokem +16

      @DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE Okay

  • @78ss53
    @78ss53 Před rokem +70

    I collect old cpu water blocks so loved this video. The evolution of these blocks is awesome.

    • @astrayamatu
      @astrayamatu Před 4 měsíci +1

      well if you have some nice old blocks, its time to make some videos about them I would love to watch it

    • @78ss53
      @78ss53 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@astrayamatu Hey I never thought about doing that, anyone got a go pro?

    • @astrayamatu
      @astrayamatu Před 4 měsíci

      @@78ss53 you could start out usding your phone and who knows you may like it and grow with it on youtube

  • @captaincrush8133
    @captaincrush8133 Před rokem +1

    For some reason I found this video to be very high quality, even compared to the typically high quality LTT videos. IDK what was different, but this one seemed very well done. Enjoyed it. Thanks!

  • @Zhaopow3
    @Zhaopow3 Před rokem +15

    0:39 this is the strangest and most intimidating character intro ever

  • @Hobbles_
    @Hobbles_ Před rokem +335

    I had a feeling that this cooler wasn't going to work well based on the title and how the video started XD Hopefully one day someone does figure out a way better design that vastly improves thermal performance. Until then, we'll stick with EK I guess

    • @scottbitz5222
      @scottbitz5222 Před rokem +7

      Honestly I imagine that someday with the size of cpus likely to increase I could see that the blocks have 2 inlets and outlets and separate the plate into two separate loops, but even then that's probably a ways off except on server/enthusiast sized CPUs.

    • @Akrub1979
      @Akrub1979 Před rokem +3

      I wonder if it would be possible to merge processor and cooler - for example with coolant flowing through the middle and processor built around all this.
      This would probably require some seriously crazy socket design (like for Pentium II)

    • @grimprime0158
      @grimprime0158 Před rokem +1

      Honestly from what I’ve seen the brand Optimus has been beating them by like 8ish degrees

    • @nemtudom5074
      @nemtudom5074 Před rokem

      We truly live in an age where everyone has supermassive brains that can figure out if a product is going to be bad, if the title says its stupid

    • @jrok96
      @jrok96 Před rokem +3

      Ek is one of many relevant waterblock manufacturers . You say that like heat killer or other companies don't compete. Ek is better ad advertising/ branding etc.

  • @achiinrst1628
    @achiinrst1628 Před 3 měsíci

    I could literally listen to Tenan explain engineering and fluid dynamics for hours, granted I love hearing about fluid dynamics, but I love the way he presents the information. His voice and personality manages to keep my attention and provide easy to understand info without becoming monotonous or getting boring.

  • @halyoalex8942
    @halyoalex8942 Před rokem +55

    I was expecting the two holes to both be OUTPUTS so that you could retrieve hot water from the cooling block at a higher throughput, allowing the total flow rate to increase to keep the temperature down…

    • @sparkyenergia
      @sparkyenergia Před rokem +8

      Cathar's design had two outputs. The middle right over the die was the input.

    • @Cluuey
      @Cluuey Před rokem

      @@sparkyenergia Initially, his final blocks dropped the second output and Y splitter.

    • @Silasssssssss
      @Silasssssssss Před rokem +8

      Having 2 inlets/outlets doesn't matter if you only have 1 inlet/outlet. How much you fluid you can push through something is completely determined on the biggest flow restriction

  • @nocturn9x
    @nocturn9x Před rokem +53

    "Their theory holds some water"
    I see what you did there

  • @ArtifactSkyline
    @ArtifactSkyline Před rokem +240

    Should do a build with dual pumps into that weird block. I wonder what kind of a difference that would make.

    • @oxfordsparky
      @oxfordsparky Před rokem +12

      None.

    • @nullvoid3545
      @nullvoid3545 Před rokem +40

      How much flow rate, is TOO MUCH FLOW RATE!?!
      Just keep adding pumps until something starts happening, or something else stops happening.

    • @genicota
      @genicota Před rokem +8

      Would make it worse. Also you would have 1) a greater chance of fittings failing and leakage. 2) greater wear on the copper fins of the block.

    • @Rocky0_99
      @Rocky0_99 Před rokem +3

      the issue is that adding more pumps doesn’t always equate to more water flow and thus it could just add another point of failure without improving performance.

    • @ArtifactSkyline
      @ArtifactSkyline Před rokem +3

      @@nullvoid3545 exactly. The LTT way.

  • @GuusKlaas
    @GuusKlaas Před rokem +4

    So glad to see a water-cooling vid again. Really miss this kind of 'halo tier' PC-building stuff. For me PC's are devices that come in many shapes and forms, and while I also 'grew up' (to the point of actually doing similar home automation as Linus, and driving EV's), I don't ever want to forget what it was that brought me to where I am. Not just that janky-ass IBM PS/2 that little 8yo me learned it on, but especially that DIY shopped-on-PC fairs K7 rig that was my first DIY build. For me, custom PC's will always be a core part of how I treat my personal and professional life.

  • @DJlegionuk
    @DJlegionuk Před rokem +3

    I loved being around on Pro Cooling with Cathar and so many great people at that time. I made my own blocks including a diy storm and spent many happy hours testing them. Such a great place.

    • @Brians256
      @Brians256 Před rokem

      I was there, sir. It was a good time.

    • @DJlegionuk
      @DJlegionuk Před rokem

      @@Brians256 i wish I had all the pictures, but a lot was uploaded to a local internet account and it is long gone.

  • @eliptikon
    @eliptikon Před rokem +102

    Reminds me of the Pentium IV days, when Intel tried to keep up with AMDs Athlon 64 and XP by ramping up clock speed and power consumption instead of advancing their architecture (until the release of Core 2)

    • @CouchPotator
      @CouchPotator Před rokem +12

      ramping up the clock *was* their architectural improvement. The increased power consumption proved why that idea was bad.

    • @CarlosLins1
      @CarlosLins1 Před rokem +21

      @@CouchPotator looks like history is repeating itself

    • @dabombinablemi6188
      @dabombinablemi6188 Před rokem +1

      The AMD 64 3200+ that was an option for my Mum's old Compaq Presario actually drew more power despite being clocked 1.2GHz lower than its P4 HT...P4 were only inefficient against later AMD and Intel CPU (Netburst stuck around far too long).

    • @LeoInterVir
      @LeoInterVir Před rokem +4

      Pentium M is where the change started, without it no Core 2.

    • @dabombinablemi6188
      @dabombinablemi6188 Před rokem +2

      @@LeoInterVir I love how little power they use to match a P4 - more efficient then even what AMD could manage at the time while technically being based heavily off Pentium III (the Celeron M were dogs though, no speed step so they FSB was lowered to save power - never seen DDR2 clocked that low since)

  • @NeuralValley
    @NeuralValley Před rokem +19

    Linus and team, grateful to have this chance to be reviewed and hear your feedback. Your video provides us with accountability to make the necessary changes to improve our product and brand. As enthusiasts and engineers ourselves, we have a passion for tech and bringing something new, but with this we must also improve upon the current offerings. We have missed the mark on this mission. Noted on the performance and the complications added to the loop by TRI-SWIFT. This is our passion and mission and we will be back for Round 2. Thank you. - Abhi

    • @heni63
      @heni63 Před rokem +7

      Why did you market it as this good? It feels like lying when you didn't really test and that's not okay, no matter how much marketing seems to make lying legit, it doesn't really :(
      Nice to have a comment of you here though, good luck with your mission.

    • @jrep
      @jrep Před rokem +3

      Honestly, give up.

    • @NeuralValley
      @NeuralValley Před rokem +2

      @@heni63 No intention on lying, but we need to do better, here is video benchmarking our AIOs, not blocks: czcams.com/video/MlpS3QzAE3g/video.html

    • @louylla
      @louylla Před rokem +1

      This sounds not genuine at all. You made false claims and a small test would have showed the results.

    • @dylanmiller2583
      @dylanmiller2583 Před rokem +2

      Ooof, what did you compare your performance against? Not even close to today's market.

  • @RefrigeratedTP
    @RefrigeratedTP Před rokem +8

    6:35
    LMAO I don't know if this was purposeful, but that transition from Corsair's website to EK's website is timed hilariously with the script. Right as Linus says "the top designs today, like" *pause* the transition from corsair to EK happens. LOL dude I laughed so hard but it's hard to say it's intentional.

  • @heyitsjel
    @heyitsjel Před rokem +1

    Awesome video! Definitely takes me back a few decades to my introduction to water cooling....

  • @RyuukoKobayashi
    @RyuukoKobayashi Před rokem +228

    That was a brilliant explanation of the cooling and flow principles at play here, thank you.

    • @UnleashedEsX
      @UnleashedEsX Před rokem +6

      I feel many people also waved their arms like I did xd

    • @RyuukoKobayashi
      @RyuukoKobayashi Před rokem

      @@UnleashedEsX I know I definitely did!

  • @JulianDanzerHAL9001
    @JulianDanzerHAL9001 Před rokem +81

    most waterblocks already split the waterflow, they just rejoin it around the block to one outlet, basicalyl having the y splitter built in and most of the flwo restriction happens between the fins anyways - so of course the effect is not gonna be tat huge compared t ofin density

    • @JimBob1937
      @JimBob1937 Před rokem +5

      My exact thought... they just took the water splitting mechanism that already exists in a lot of blocks and made it external.

    • @K31TH3R
      @K31TH3R Před rokem

      This. I'm running a Bykski XPR-AM-V2 on a 5800X and it does exactly this. The block splits the flow and directs it through a finstack which is roughly aligned with the chiplets under the IHS in Ryzen CPU's. There is no reason other than bad engineering to do this outside of the block.

  • @Vlku272
    @Vlku272 Před rokem +23

    Be interesting to see if instead of using a Y splitter, you hooked it up to 2 independent cooling loops to see if it can perform well like that.

    • @planaproject
      @planaproject Před rokem +3

      How? 😆

    • @N1korasu
      @N1korasu Před rokem

      @@planaproject take the Y put it on the outlet leading to 2 separate reservoirs and pumps

    • @planaproject
      @planaproject Před rokem

      @@N1korasu Thats not 2 independant loops though. That is one loop with two reservoirs and two pumps.

    • @N1korasu
      @N1korasu Před rokem +1

      @@planaproject I might or might not have been 2 bowls in when I made that comment

  • @Mark_Williams.
    @Mark_Williams. Před rokem

    Man, I had a Storm and Apogee XT as well back in the day. This video has brought back some memories!

  • @fahimmuntaser9997
    @fahimmuntaser9997 Před rokem +13

    Extra loop is for moral support 🤣🤣

  • @hanzfranz7739
    @hanzfranz7739 Před rokem +104

    What kind of response by Fluix is this? "Yeah we know our 300$ cooler isnt that great so just go ahead and buy our newest model which probably will cost even more than that" lmao

    • @Hotrob_J
      @Hotrob_J Před rokem +29

      "oh we didn't optimize for 12th Gen" like they didn't get their asses kicked by something made for like a q6600

    • @arandomcomp2427
      @arandomcomp2427 Před rokem +6

      Also they used a thermal grizzly frame to reduce 12th gen shenanigans.

    • @jgillservices
      @jgillservices Před rokem +1

      @@Hotrob_J I just got rid of a q6600 to be recycled today. Funny that you mentioned it. Not so funny really I guess.

  • @MakesBadNoise
    @MakesBadNoise Před rokem +2

    I want to see more episodes on turbulent flow - seems like a fascinating concept

  • @tdsar102094
    @tdsar102094 Před rokem +1

    1:07 "You have disturbed the dirt!"

  • @tervalas
    @tervalas Před rokem +63

    Most instances that use such a concept in larger scale is done with two pumps. This is to reduce the size of each pump compared to one big one. In this instance, using two lines doesn't change the flow rate of the system, and the only benefit may be directing the coldest flow to certain parts of the die. But that won't necessarily be consistent.

    • @IcecalGamer
      @IcecalGamer Před rokem +2

      Yep. Two inlets - 2 pumps :/ . And don't downsize the pumps, put two D5s and let it go brrrrr.
      YTF is the a y splitter in there ?!

    • @animalm4st3r
      @animalm4st3r Před rokem +1

      @@IcecalGamer thats how the company make sells it with thier own pump

    • @zazethe6553
      @zazethe6553 Před rokem

      No, a pump and its motor only need to be a little bigger in size for double the flow. But two pumps are at least twice the space.
      A single tube is also always better than 2. Surface area of a circle, or cross section of a tube, is pi * radius squared. Doubling a pipe in diameter gives 4 times the flow in water volume for any pipe, increasing it by half does slightly more than double the water volume. So a 1.5inch pipe has a bigger water volume flow than two 1 inch pipes.
      Two tubes have an additional problem, it increases the the total tube wall surface area, this increases the fluid resistance of the tube, so its less efficient than just 1 slightly bigger tube. A circle has the smallest circumference for its surface, it is the most optimal shape, so its way more efficient to run a single slightly bigger tube.
      There is zero instances were this makes sense, only maybe for redundancy in case of failure, certainly not for efficiency.

    • @tervalas
      @tervalas Před rokem

      @@zazethe6553 I didn't claim anything about 'doubling flow'. "Centrifugal pumps in parallel are used to overcome larger volume flows than one pump can handle alone."
      And yes, I've worked with plenty of pumps that were quite a bit smaller than they would have been if the application used one.
      Yes, increasing the tube size is the better thing to do for flow (I even mention that in this case the setup is poor because the outlet tube is the same size), but there are tradeoffs. Too big and you'll runout the pump (which can damage it). Too small and you'll make the pump do a ton more work (which can also damage it). I completely agree that the losses in two tubes can slow down flow, but compared to the flow gain you get from using two pumps it can become negligible. The old adage is 'Pumps in parallel for increasing flow. Pumps in series for increasing pressure'.

    • @IcecalGamer
      @IcecalGamer Před rokem

      Dudes... and Dudettes...
      I was going for the Overkill approach with my comment.
      You're already getting a block x2 the price of other brands. Make it truly Overkill 2x pumps.
      Sure, we can discuss fluid dynamics, but this is LTT. Definitely not the place for actual physics & engineering. :))

  • @Tbonedoesfsx
    @Tbonedoesfsx Před rokem +37

    Finally something that can cool the FX 9590

    • @pizzaboxer
      @pizzaboxer Před rokem +4

      impossible

    • @An4lAvenger
      @An4lAvenger Před rokem +2

      I had one of those. God that thing was hot, especially for how much power you/didn't get.

    • @rubindublone5932
      @rubindublone5932 Před rokem

      Lol according to yt your comment was existing 6 mins before the video got online

    • @rubindublone5932
      @rubindublone5932 Před rokem

      @@nRuaif it always is xD

    • @Bunster
      @Bunster Před rokem

      did you even watch the video, its worse than something from 2005

  • @Kreliho
    @Kreliho Před rokem

    Loving the more technical videos and the dives into the "whys" of the tested results!

  • @mahmga1
    @mahmga1 Před rokem

    Ohh man Danger Den! That takes me back. It's so nice to be able to say, "yeah I used that."

  • @arugulatarsus
    @arugulatarsus Před rokem +16

    I would like to see more historical talks about watercooling. With maybe a comparison of a truck radiator too?

  • @EvilGenius.
    @EvilGenius. Před rokem +3

    I love these reviews you guys do! Plus, not only are they full of information. You help people not to waste their money that may not have the value for the pricing or simply don't do the job that it was made out to do!
    I hope to see more and I hope there is a tone of the CABLE TESTING videos coming! I have been on the hunt for good HDMI, mini HDMI, USB, C-cables, and the price value as well!
    You guys get a 5 start raiding for these videos alone! Oh by the way just in case you didn't know Colton is KING! LOL!

  • @troyclayton
    @troyclayton Před rokem +5

    The fact the fluid isn't all flowing through a full depth set of fins on these sinks makes me wonder how much people who design these things know about heat transfer.

  • @climatectrl3350
    @climatectrl3350 Před rokem +1

    Colton's a good bet for reading Square Space ad spots. I hear website resumés tend to leave good first impressions when you're looking for work.

  • @doctordothraki4378
    @doctordothraki4378 Před rokem +3

    2:29 "If you took the time to read what this says, I salute you"

  • @HenrikMakesGames
    @HenrikMakesGames Před rokem +7

    Linus doesn't drop pcs anymore, he lights them on fire

  • @Muscleduck
    @Muscleduck Před rokem

    I had a DangerDen block thst did this in 2007, for my 4400+.
    I actually still have some DD blocks. Loved their stuff.

  • @TechboyUK
    @TechboyUK Před rokem +2

    I always thought water cooling was a dry subject. You kept the conversation flowing!

  • @PolskiJaszczomb
    @PolskiJaszczomb Před rokem +13

    I've heard the theory behind the design, I've skipped to results - perfectly what I expected.

  • @neth77
    @neth77 Před rokem

    That 2 second clip of copper shaving just gave me years worth of knowledge i swear.

  • @tietosanakirja
    @tietosanakirja Před rokem

    Love the retro watercooling story.
    I was far too poor, and didn't know much about PC hardware anyways, in the 90s and early 2000, to know about any watercooling back then.

  • @treborrrrr
    @treborrrrr Před rokem +4

    Ah yes, Danger Den, those were the days. I still have one of their blocks in a drawer somewhere. Don't remember which model though, probably a very early one, it's all copper (no window).
    And secondly, that's the first time I've seen how those fins are made. Had no idea that's how they do it, very clever way of doing it.

  • @AaronsShots
    @AaronsShots Před rokem +11

    Very educating video Linus, I love having Tynan from the engineering labs to explain the science of what's happening! Would love to see more

  • @tobiasstamenkovic9628
    @tobiasstamenkovic9628 Před rokem +26

    Quantum leap = lowest change physically possible. Im fairly confident were going to see that one happen. :p

  • @Cluuey
    @Cluuey Před rokem +1

    This was great Linus and we can see the enjoyment you got from talking about old school water cooling.
    It was great to see you break out your old Storm, I found it interesting to see the inside of the Swiftech one as I've only got Little River blocks. Given the performance you got from that I suspect my G5 will still be fine, if I ever get around to putting my loop back together. I'm pretty sure the cooling area was slightly bigger for the G5, my main concern was the AMD chiplet design means the actual CPU core isn't central any more.
    Edit. Actually the main concern is stopping it from leaking, no idea why it started but as it killed the m/b, and the replacement didn't have the correct mounting holes, I never got around to working it out. Air cooling is much, much easier and CPU got fast enough the need to overclock didn't matter as much, unless you were chasing leader boards! 😉

  • @jj3os
    @jj3os Před rokem +6

    This is one of the best written videos I've seen from LMG, a pleasure to watch. Kudos to the writer(s).

    • @Matt561
      @Matt561 Před rokem +1

      This is the whole point of them doing the lab, looking forward to future videos

  • @enox3547
    @enox3547 Před rokem +4

    Its interesting to watch a company colapse before my eyes

  • @willymcguire
    @willymcguire Před rokem +1

    When I saw the thumbnail, my first thought was maybe one exit hole per radiator (2 radiators) that come back together at the pump.

  • @Carnage8
    @Carnage8 Před rokem

    Didn't realize the improvements in water cooling over 10 years made about 15 degrees difference very interesting to learn thanks :D

  • @ERIKREID1
    @ERIKREID1 Před rokem +32

    I thought the dual ports were output, not input. More heat transfer out to separate radiators for quicker heat displacement. Maybe that can be a test to try.

    • @daddybotz
      @daddybotz Před rokem +2

      My exact same thoughts. We need to exhaust more hot fluids than intake more cold fluid.

    • @georgejones5019
      @georgejones5019 Před rokem +3

      That's what I was expecting too. Then use the Y-connector to bring the two radiators back into the pump, then from the pump directly to the CPU input. Would be a good consideration to try that set up.

    • @miguelagueda3928
      @miguelagueda3928 Před rokem +2

      Modern water cooling blocks don't have symmetrical in/out, so even if you can do it, it's not design in that way

    • @hamsterspeed
      @hamsterspeed Před rokem

      Their product FAQ page mentioned to use those 2 ports as inlet, anyway I doubt it will make any difference even swapping the in/outlet.

  • @kapiczu3776
    @kapiczu3776 Před rokem +7

    It's so good to see Linus talk about custom water cooling again

  • @demiviral95
    @demiviral95 Před rokem

    This video (plus that Win98 video from the other day) has made me want more computer/component history videos from you folks. It's fascinating stuff.

  • @lexeriw
    @lexeriw Před rokem

    Back in 2005-2006, there is was a guy in my town (Aitor) that build watercooling from scratch even the radiator. And it had a CPU Block model with two inlet and also the radiator had 3 conections

  • @Techie_Justin
    @Techie_Justin Před rokem +5

    I just thought of this a few days ago. I been watching LTT for so long I learned a good bit of the metric system.

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 Před rokem +70

    I’ve always wanted to do water cooling, but I’ve been somewhat put off by the maintenance requirements. Also, hopefully the burned PC parts weren’t too important.

    • @emenesu
      @emenesu Před rokem +8

      You watched a 14 min video in 2 mins. Ok.

    • @denis2381
      @denis2381 Před rokem +4

      GayAnalDildo

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před rokem +3

      They used something flammable on top of them so they're likely not damaged

    • @TheMightyroocifer
      @TheMightyroocifer Před rokem +1

      @DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE ok!

    • @tiavor
      @tiavor Před rokem +2

      maintenance? nah, I just fill up the reservoir once every few months. last time I changed the water completely was over a year ago when I upgraded my GPU, but I could have just as well kept it in longer. 2 to 3 years is fine with water exchange if you have distilled + anti-corrosion additives. cleaning maybe every 4-5 years.

  • @hunterlantz4573
    @hunterlantz4573 Před rokem

    Love coltons chuckle when doing that ad read.

  • @markjohnson8685
    @markjohnson8685 Před rokem

    this was done before in the early noughties by danger den , you even saw the exact waterblock mentioned in your own video on history ... the danger den RBX at 6:51 , back then i had one on my loop cooling an athlon xp thunderbird , i ran it using a single inlet and dual outlets and using its different splitter plates i ran it using the micro hole jets which did need a pump with high pressure to really make it work so i used a hydor L30 ... was fun times in watercooling back then as we were largely playing with homebuilt hardware ... and the whole lot did look cool

  • @LivelysReport
    @LivelysReport Před rokem +5

    My thought would be, if we are going to use two inputs and one output from a water block then we should have two radiators one for each inlet into the water block.. and just split off the output into the two radiators.. kind of like a double loop.. I would say it would increase the cooling by doubling the water time volume in the radiator as well as doubling the radiator cooling, having two radiators.. the return hose would dump into the reservoir and then be pushed into two separate hoses one to each radiator.. or you could have two reservoirs and two pumps splitting the output from the water block prior to sending each to a reservoir.. I think it would help with cooling.. and the water block with the two inlets should each cover half of the water block itself..

    • @cooper10182
      @cooper10182 Před rokem

      I second this, as I was thinking the same thing.

    • @darylphuah
      @darylphuah Před rokem

      wouldn't make a difference. Its been tested time and time again that component order doesn't matter (aside from res before pump), water in the loop moves fast enough that it reaches a state of equilibrium fairly quickly.

  • @Sum_Guy
    @Sum_Guy Před rokem +6

    Why does Tynan look like he's about to MacGyver this shit and then take out a whole squadron of enemy combatants using engineering.

  • @LaZoR50
    @LaZoR50 Před rokem +2

    Thanks a lot for another unbiased review! Wish we had this more often from the companies themselves.

  • @plsdontbanmeagainyoulibtards

    honestly shoutout the production team for those short fire scenes at the start.

  • @fungusamongus69420
    @fungusamongus69420 Před rokem +8

    This cooler makes no sense
    Would make a good episode of "$h!t Manufacturers Says"!

  • @CasualZombiesEnjoyer
    @CasualZombiesEnjoyer Před rokem +42

    Theoretically, if you were to use 2 smaller pipes as an intake and 1 larger pipe as an exhaust it would increase the amount of fresh coolant cooling the CPU while increasing the rate at which the coolant gets cooled again. (coolant, cooled, cooling, kind of confusing when used after one-another)

  • @MikeTimbers
    @MikeTimbers Před rokem

    So cool to see some credit to Cathar! I still have an original Little River Whitewater as a paperweight on my desk.

  • @leovbernardo
    @leovbernardo Před rokem

    The shoe factory picture what hilarious!! Nice catch guys

  • @Mihir0611
    @Mihir0611 Před rokem +7

    “The bulge in your pants shouldn’t be from your wallet” 💀

  • @ragerancher
    @ragerancher Před rokem +9

    It seems that water coolers have reached the limit in terms of heat transfer from the CPU to the liquid and now need to focus on trying to dump more of that heat out of the liquid at the other end.

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 Před rokem +1

    I don't water-cool myself, but it's very interesting to watch and learn more about. Would love more water-cooling videos 😊

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Před rokem

      Try Ice Cream, Cold Cola!

  • @debuffedhuman982
    @debuffedhuman982 Před rokem

    so I'm a mechanical engineer stundent in my final year and in order to graduate you need to make a Final Project. Final Project in my country is like a thesis but a lot more simple. Yesterday, I met my Professor to ask what should I do about my final project and hoping that my professor give me one of his project with some company. Don't want to make me look empty headed I talk about the idea of this product (creating turbulent by rising the mass flow or different geometry plate to have better thermal efficiency) and how i simulate in ansys or gambit for my final project. I'm not kidding about this but he accept it and say it was great ideal for the final project. This is not what I was looking for but I think I can do this final project. Thanks Linus.

  • @ujjawalsingh2028
    @ujjawalsingh2028 Před rokem +18

    Hey, why don't you guys use two pumps in parellel? It might improved results (it'd be fair imo since the design does allow for it, while the ek's doesn't. Might help it match up?)

    • @captiannemo1587
      @captiannemo1587 Před rokem

      Logic isn’t allowed.

    • @oxfordsparky
      @oxfordsparky Před rokem +4

      It wouldn’t really help as there’s still only one outlet, the weakest point of any water block is the heat transfer from the cold plate to the water and the only real way to improve that now is with a bigger contact patch.

    • @-SP.
      @-SP. Před rokem +1

      @n30n This video really irked me the way Linus sounded so condescending, like damn at least someone is trying something new

    • @StevePhoenix
      @StevePhoenix Před rokem +2

      The problem with the 2 pump theory is the single outlet. As far as I see it (I'm by no means an expert), doubling the volume of incoming coolant with the same single outlet everyone else is using will result in more backpressure, which will reduce water pressure at the inlets, thus diminishing the potential gains from the extra coolant coming in, and increase pump wear. Furthermore this solution will increase cost and loop complexity.

    • @marcusborderlands6177
      @marcusborderlands6177 Před rokem

      @@-SP. did you miss the point of the video? They are using decade old tech with a second inlet, which does nothing.

  • @AllahDoesNotExist
    @AllahDoesNotExist Před rokem +3

    I bet this has warranty.

  • @venomyx204
    @venomyx204 Před rokem +2

    You've got the inlet
    You've got the outlet
    And you've got the shake it all aboutlet

  • @Grimreaper23845
    @Grimreaper23845 Před rokem

    Thank god I keep seeing these guys everywhere and with the amount of ketchup and mustard cables I seen on the product I thought it was a fake company

  • @georgejones5019
    @georgejones5019 Před rokem +22

    Couldn't they use a small Tesla Valve chamber for the CPU section?
    Also, I expected them to have a 1 in 2 out method, running the tubes out to two separate radiators. The input-output idea of this cpu block is also flawed by physics and water dynamics. You'd want to smaller tubes for intake (increase preassure) then one large tube for egress, the large tube should be total of the two smaller combined or a little larger.

    • @pocpic
      @pocpic Před rokem +2

      The Tesla valve would slow the water flow down. Why would you want one there?

    • @Adderkleet
      @Adderkleet Před rokem +5

      @@pocpic Tesla valves "slow" things by creating massive turbulence. Which is why it sounds like a good idea. But slower flow is probably not ideal.

    • @th3l05t-kfpreactoroperator5
      @th3l05t-kfpreactoroperator5 Před rokem

      Smaller Tubes would decrease pressure though

  • @kremtegutt1
    @kremtegutt1 Před rokem +6

    I would love to see more custom water cooling!

  • @ReaperUnreal
    @ReaperUnreal Před rokem

    Eyyy a callout for the Whitewater! I used to have one of those in my Lian-Li PC60 with a custom window and UV cathode tubes. Also the 5.25" bay water resevoir.

  • @lionzod6943
    @lionzod6943 Před rokem

    I like the water cooling videos more than most of your vids even this one was alot of fun imo

  • @shivpatel2777
    @shivpatel2777 Před rokem +32

    LTT has so many coolers now, they could litterally replace the A/C in the office with them

    • @olimpather
      @olimpather Před rokem +1

      Don't give them ideas.

    • @Tempest1273
      @Tempest1273 Před rokem

      @DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE Ok, I won't

    • @HoloScope
      @HoloScope Před rokem

      @DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE 😐

  • @lomelyo
    @lomelyo Před rokem +15

    I feel bad for the company having their product completely destroyed with 1 video. But that's what they get for releasing a 229USD product. Keep in mind that they have 3 years warranty and a 14 day money back warranty with 20% restocking cost.

    • @darthos9804
      @darthos9804 Před rokem +3

      Wow even THEY have a warranty lol

    • @Matt561
      @Matt561 Před rokem

      If you talk that much shit you need to back it up throw away and they just shit the bed. It's an interesting idea hopefully they can figure it out.

  • @TheTimtam112
    @TheTimtam112 Před rokem

    Probably the best visual demonstration of boundary factors in a PC is the dust that settles on fans. Even if these fans are in constant use, dust will settle on the pressure-side of the fans, even if these are high flow, low pressure fans.

  • @kylezaii
    @kylezaii Před rokem

    “I was there when it was written”, is such a badass line.

  • @EnigmaticGentleman
    @EnigmaticGentleman Před rokem +42

    This is why i dont think higher end CPUs are practical for gaming, if you want to go competitive sure, but a 5600x/12400f will have no problem for most, and be so much cooler and quieter.

    • @nikoheino3927
      @nikoheino3927 Před rokem +1

      well, i5 12600k/i7 12700k or 5800x3D would be the sweetspot for gaming. most games wont benefit from those but some require alot of cpu performance.

    • @EnigmaticGentleman
      @EnigmaticGentleman Před rokem +2

      @@nRuaif I know, but CZcams will only get off its ass when it starts losing money, aka when the media find the 18+ bots. Individual content creators and small groups have literally (mostly) fixed this problem, its just pathetic at this point.

    • @Lem_On_Lime
      @Lem_On_Lime Před rokem

      @@nRuaif Don't feed the trolls. You're just giving them more visual real estate.

    • @OtakuSanel
      @OtakuSanel Před rokem

      I run a 5950x and and still run into games that peg out 1-2 cores at 100%, there is still a need for better performance.

  • @keatoncampbell820
    @keatoncampbell820 Před rokem +5

    I was under the impression the entire point of having more inlets is so you can attach two pumps directly to the CPU, which is something I'm surprised Linus didn't test. Two pumps, two radiators, might not actually help that much but that would seem to be the point.

    • @AGuy-vq9qp
      @AGuy-vq9qp Před rokem +2

      Best case scenario it’s no better than having two pumps in series, worst case scenario you break one.

    • @JathraDH
      @JathraDH Před rokem

      Its been demonstrated that pumps in parallel is a horrible idea. It provides almost no benefit with some big drawbacks. Pumps in series provides some good benefits with minimal drawbacks.

    • @keatoncampbell820
      @keatoncampbell820 Před rokem

      @@JathraDH I think this is a more "edge" application. If there is barely an advantage to having them in parallel, then someone will do it.
      Saying they are more efficient in series simply means there will be two parallel series of pumps.
      They *will* make pump arrays if you tell them the truth. AFAIK the best cooling solution is just a single good pump lmao

    • @JathraDH
      @JathraDH Před rokem +1

      @@keatoncampbell820 I always run 2 pumps in series for redundancy. It has the added benefit of being able to turn them down quite low so they are silent and still get decent throughput. But yea mad lads will run 4 pumps for sure, you are right about that.
      The problem with parallel pumps, even if you put 4 pumps with 2 of them in series is that the fluid path splits, so if one pump stops working it causes really weird problems because the pressure is imbalanced between the two paths. The articles I have read that have experimented with it all say that its just a net loss to use parallel overall.
      This is really a problem with all parallel setups. Its very difficult to balance the flow rate evenly through both halves or control it to go where you want.

    • @keatoncampbell820
      @keatoncampbell820 Před rokem

      @@JathraDH I mean it's definitely possible. It's just ... At that point you're doing rocket engine plumbing optimization. They are a great case study, actually, as they use two series (3 stage turbopumps?), one for fuel and one for oxidizer, running in parallel into the combustion chamber.
      Of course that just goes to show you that series is far more effective than parallel, as if running fuel and oxidizer through the same pump was possible, they'd do it!
      Personally I try to size any plumbed system components, especially in computers, so that the max operating speed of the pump won't ever exceed 50%. The pump is absolutely oversized but also is going to be very reliable and last a good long time.
      There's no real difference between big pump and two normal pumps in series. You could also run two pumps parallel, and just not run one of them unless the other fails. That would require some clever plumbing to ensure both can operate at normal effeciency while the other is a paperweight, but it has some precedence for immediately redundant systems. I think there were a few military land vehicles that had a couple fuel pumps in the gas tank, each routed to the inlet. If one shorts to ground, the other receives power.
      Just food for thought

  • @shottingham
    @shottingham Před rokem

    Is this the type of content we can expect from LTT Labs? If so, then I'm super excited.

  • @sparkyenergia
    @sparkyenergia Před rokem

    Thank you for mentioning the God that is 'Cathar'. I still remember his madness making a pure silver version of the water block - Yes, Silver the metal.

  • @EndstyleGG
    @EndstyleGG Před rokem +3

    Intel Pentium i9, that's pretty neat