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- čas přidán 23. 11. 2021
- Review of the All-City Super Professional.
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Much appreciated 🙏🏽. As always a stellar review. Seems like a good option for commuting here in Chicago and weekend shenanigans. Thanks again!
Nice stuff as always Russ. Variety is always a good thing.
Picked one up for a commuter. I ride about 5 miles each way with a good mix of hills and some flat. Switched out the flats for drops and got SRAM force groupset. Still very responsive and fun and more hand options for riding. Exactly as you said, a great commuter and fun on hills. I commute from north jersey into NYC and it handles the calm suburbs and bustling city very well! Great video!
Could or would you put bags on it? Since being used to commute.
@@sedricmalonejr I used a Swift Industries Saddle bag and a Blackburn frame bag and found that great for my commute. I actually have switched to a new bike, but I believe the all citysuper pro has a good amount of mount points to add fork bags, and the flats give a spot to put a nice handlebar bag as well.
@@flipsty1e New bike...which one? I'm trying to decide on a bike to commute to work. So many bikes, it can be overwhelming on what to decide on. 😄
@@sedricmalonejr I got a 3T Exploro...a great all rounder but def more than I need for my commute. I got it cus I wanted a bike I could do fast gravel for weekend trips and other adventures. Definitely lots of options out there!
Hope you two and all viewers have a wonderful Thanksgiving!🦃💨. Thankful for your content.
Thanks for the All-City bike review. I'm a big All-City fan. I really like the look of these bikes. I'm also a big fan of steel bikes thanks to Grant Peterson.
Your subscriber from the Philippines, your vlogs inspire me to switch on touring bike discipline
Thank you for such a detailed review!
Remembers me a little bit of the MARIN Belvedere I ride for 15 years now. Very snappy and agile in traffic but not fast enough for racing. But if you get used to it: it's fine! And All City builds beautiful bikes!
I would love this bike
Beautiful piece. Thanks for the review because I have been researching this bike , in 650 b , and love everything about it.
Mark from Maryland
Learning so many terms from this channel. I know what feels good but I don't necessarily know how to articulate my irks properly. Not a bike for me but I know many of my city commuting friends are interested in this type of bike.
I did a custom build on my super pro. Did super wide drop bars and ultra dynamico tires. The thing is a monster
Great video. Have a great Thanksgiving brother!
Thanks Mate for the review
Good review. The gearing problem is easily surmounted. As you said, the weight is a small problem. I notice this frame or bike is well priced. I would consider this bike or one like it. My spouse has an All-City Macho Man (cyclo-cross type), and she likes it. I'm envious.
I literally got an heart attack after seeing the title. Was pretty sure i will see full lycra on our buoy.😂
Indeed a beautiful lugged frame! I guess it would also make a sweet platform to build a neo-rando-kind-of-bike.
Thanks for the interesting review Russ!🤗
If you're looking for something like this, check out the Marin DSX line.
The DSX 1 is nothing special, but the DSX 2 with 12 speed is a killer spec for the price.
And there's the DSX FS if you need the extra plush.
Can happily attest to this being a strong competitor!
You have always been super professional
Got da ss version, decided to geared it up after 3 months with an nx rear derailleur 1 x11 & so happy with this bike , glad I bought it over the summer, now price was jacked up from 1350 to 1550 ss version & the geared version from 1550 to 1850 , crazyyyyyy , I’d buy it again, it’s a sexy fun bike
Oh man, timing! I just snatched one of these up because I was not satisfied with the midnight special. I love the geo with the flat bar and would be curious about drops. Mine is SS so the gearing is pretty much never right and the color way this year is very bland but still nice. Will interesting to see how it rides with a load soon.
Great video Russ! Keep it up. Glad you're not poopin' on the flat bars 😉
Hey, im literally looking at either this or the MS. What didnt you like about the Surly? Many thanks
@@patientswim6888 I'm order from most to least important:
1. The geo was on the aggressive side, which I thought would be fine. However, the more I rode it, the more I wanted to ride my Kona Sutra.
2. Toe overlap. I'm 5'11" and wear size 12/46 shoes. I got toe overlap on a size 56 frame with stock build. It can run pretty huge tires, but that would just make the toe overlap worse.
3. It felt sluggish most of the time, even with slick tires. With geo that aggressive, it's even more of a letdown when a bike feels sluggish. The steering is pretty quick though.
4. The brakes and stock wheels are shit.
5. The paint is gorgeous but very easy to scratch and scuff. Then is looks kinda shitty.
6. Even with 650bx47, putting bags on the front was difficult due to tire rub.
7. It's not single speed compatible without a tensioner. Sometimes I just really like single speed.
@@rustyshackleford9498 hey thanks! Perfect response, I got a lot out of that. Cheers!
Sorry those tecktro work good. But at nearly two grand little ridiculous IMO. And with the gear options today that’s little steep. Looks nice and fast. But the Marin dsx2 has this I think for price and spec. You handle your videos great. I’m not really into your side of cycling but really appreciate you and what your doing. I’ve recently refreshed and old pouch can’t believe how fast those bikes are wow.
I own one and have put a few thousand miles over the last year or so, commute with it every day. Have also used it for Light touring. I can confirm that the rear dropouts are an issue, the derailleur hanger is fragile, with a replacement that is both hard to find and expensive. Currently running it single speed and need to tension every few weeks due to slippage (I always use torque wrench to ensure proper installation). I also had a problem with the front rack mount shearing off and sending my rack through the front wheel. Partially my fault for having heavy load but the lower front rack mounts are not very robust and I would caution anyone using them. It's a good looking bike and I think it rides great but has some weak points.
How heavy of a load were you carrying? Did you hit a bump and then it failed?
What bikes would you recommend instead?
Nice review of a different kind of bike. The bike, or something similar, would be great as a city bike in my hilly home town. Unfortunately, the deal breaker would be the weight. You could change the gearing, but there must be similar bikes that have shave the weight by quite a bit. Sure looks cool though!
Maybe it's me but 26lbs it's that heavy. So in my opinion 26 lbs is still light weight. I would know I carry my bikes (at my apartment) up and down two flights stairs and taking them on an off the 🚌 so I know a thing or two about light vs heavy bikes
you are super pro!
I love ur bike
Urban cross, my man 🤌🏽🔥
Most exciting steel cross/gravel/urban bike(mass production) to come out for awhile for me! Love a SS and geared capable bike. Not in my budget for a while as I went with a SteamRoller for now. No regrets, two different tools. But I will own one of these. I think of it as a modern utilitarian track bike.
If you want something more tracky that is similar to this the skream Ranger clears 45c and has mounts for a front rack and disc brakes
@@coreygolphenee9633 Hi Corey do you own a Skream Ranger? If so how is it?
I have a similar bike I built custom out of a niner rlt steel, I like to call it an urban assault vehicle though! :p
It’s a fun all rounder, 35mm flat bars, magura mt4 fm brakes, shimano 105 drivetrain, and 700x40 wheels. I recent got a 650b with 2.1 nobs for off road riding. The 105 is horrible off road hah.
Do you still have the RL T9 steel and what do you think after two years?
Great review! Any chance of an upcoming Canyon Grizl 7 Suspension review? Thanks!
Canyon doesn’t reply to our emails.
Hi Russ, need help here...I'm planning to buy a AC space horse or AC super pro, for a height of 172/173 cm, what size do you recommend for these two bikes? Thanks..!
Go the mullet 700/650b, business out the front party out the back.
1 more upgrade, colour match your handle bar grips with the pedals.
Hey Russ, would you mind sharing how tall you are? I'm looking at a Super Pro (flat bars) but I'm not sure whether to go with the 52cm or 55cm frame. I'm 5'9" with a 31" inseam if that helps.
Bike looks sik. I hope industry makes more hydro brakes for flat mount flat bar setups. Not many options out there currently. Thanks russ.
You can mix and match mtb levers and road calipers as long as they use same type fluid. I bought levers, calipers and hoses all separately from a couple sources and it was quite a bit less expensive.
I only use mtb hydro set ups. Shimano, Magura or TRP. They're well proven and have more pad clearance.
Road hydros are simply job security for mechanics like me. More service, more sales, more profit. Always! Its amazing how fast roadies burn thru pads too. My rim brake pads last years and I ride road bikes offroad. Flat mount road brakes cause more rubbing, more mounting issues and frame quality issues.
@@rollinrat4850 interesting points! However, Maybe could doesn't mean should. Must be safe. If manufacturer doesn't say their hydro road calipers are compatible with hydro flat bar levers, Its too risky for some. Need parts to be flawless when riding deep in the woods.
@@frakafrocka I wouldn't do it for a paying customer. But I mix brake parts for my own bikes and it works just fine.
Hydro Brakes are a fairly simple bike part. Im a shop mechanic and a retired machinist who's willing to experiment. Ive helped build satellites, spacecraft and surgical devices. Ive wotkec on brake systems for 4wds, race cars, friends and family's vehicles
I test bikes after I tinker with them. The test rides are my favorite part of this job!
It means it’s a hybrid! ;)
Let you know about the artistic trippy bicycling cartoon about the scientist who discovered LSD back in 1930’s. He got some LSD on his skin and then biked home. I saw it the dvd today and loved it! It happens at 22min in of the film/dvd titled “Dying to Know : Timothy Leary and Ram Dass”.
Name of the film? Please 😉
@@stephanerivier4711 “Dying to Know”
Thank you kindly!
A chainring is easily swapped out. Sporty yet modular. I would prefer dropbars (elitist? I like to have various hand positions. I'm a sucker for solid modularity). It looks fun.
I like drops. I’ve been accused in the past of being a “drop bar elitist” because I supposedly only review drop bars.
So, how much?
I love my deity death trap pedals
Deftrap
@@pelman282 got you to look them up lol I like them better than my old tmac dirty boiz Thanks for teaching me how to pronounce my pedals👍
looked at both this and the Cinelli Gazetta Della Strada which i went with in the end and am sorry i did. despite multiple attempts to ask seller what the weight was, i kept getting estimates of 27 pounds. well that wasy way off -- this thing weighs 28.8lbs with a B17 saddle and campus pedals. It is sluggish. Shifting the Shimano Aliviio drive train actually hurts my thumb and is not nearly as nice as the APEX parts on the All City would have been. important bits like headset and BB are generic no name and the bike turns horribly slowly. pedaling the FSA Vero is fine at 170mm long, but never experienced slow steering like that. the BB is JIS Square Taper and Italian, so upgrades to drive train will be difficult at best. called about returning to My Bike Shop but they charge customers 15% or $200 restocking fee. booo! my only ride was a mix of trail and asphalt, and this thing was a tank, but for some reason no fewer than 12 sticks got caught in the chain or rear wheels, so am guessing the BB height is lower than what i typically take on the trails.
perhaps i should try to dell taking that $200 off as a discount and sell. i can then see which of the Super Professionals will fit best between 49-52. so thanks for the reference to size and helping consider the riser bat. (having to move away from drop bar gravel bikes due to back/shoulder issues). sadly, i do love how it looks as the "Brown Eyed Girl Paint" shimmers like 60s metal flake. if i could work around the BB for lighter silver 1x crank, and convert to 1x shifters, with silver Ritchey Classic cockpit, it would be wonderful. but i'd also NEED lighter (Hunt carbon) wheels to shave weight in hopes of coming in around 25lbs. suddenly this $1400 bike cost over $2500. but that is the bike industry situation post COVID.
Beautiful
What are your thoughts on mixed wheel sizes? like going 700c up front 650B in the back. I know it was/is a thing in MTB. do you think it could have some application in gravel riding?
Did a video on that.
@@PathLessPedaledTV ah I must have missed it, I'll look around for it. anyway the idea popped into my head while you were talking about how the change in wheel size impacted this particular bike
It might work with the 700 at the back and 650 up front. Likely clearance up front for 2.2/55 tire to match the 700x38 rear. Not sure how that affects the handling. I have a Masi Cx/gr that came with 700x40's but did not fit 50's in the back so I tried 27.5x2.2 and it fills out the frame nicely. I have a Bombtrack Arise with sliding dropouts( 2 bolts per side no slip). This allows you to adjust according to the set up: tight for 700x30's road or relaxed for 40's mixed surface. Thanks for the review, I have been looking at All City's lineup wondering...
Hey what helmet are you wearing? I am looking for an orange one!
Smith.
Interesting. I guess it's all personal preference but I can't see why I'd get this over a Space Horse Tiagra if I wanted drops and more gear range, coming in at an even lower MSRP.
It handles completely differently.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thank you. As you have experience on many different bikes I appreciate that insight. Do you find handling is an objective feeling or that there is some subjectivity to it?
@@briand8862 having ridden over 80 bikes I think certain aspects are objective. No one is going to say a bike with a 72 degree HTA is less responsive than a 66 HTA bike in steering or that a bike with 600mm chainstay accelerates faster than a bike with 415mm. I think it’s subjective in so far as what bike you ride the most will be your “normal” but as you diverge from that bikes will either be more or less responsive.
Anyone use this for gravel / bikepacking?
what width tires are on the 650b wheels? they look massive
700x40
What exactly do you mount on the bike that makes it so heavy that you would need 1:1 though? Or are the hills super steep?
I definitely have 1:1 probably past that, cassette is also 11-42 but my chainring is only 32. Even as heavy as my 100km ride backpack gets I don't even get to the first 5 gears.
Only use it for cycling up things I really shouldn't be going up but I'm lazy to push my bike.
Would not mind a bike like that, it's a lot like my mom's bike. But I still prefer my mountain bikes, the slack geometry makes them more agile and having full sus makes it easy to take shortcuts, I can just jump gaps if I need to.
15lbs of groceries up a hill? 20lbs of camera gear to a photo shoot? 30lbs of camping gear over a mountain pass? 150lbs of gear cross country? Commuting in Seattle or San Francisco. Seems like more reasons to have a bike at least 1:1 than not.
@@PathLessPedaledTV the groceries I've done.
But the rest is way beyond, at that point you ain't just commuting anymore. I see why you would definitely need the 1:1.
Probably did 30 lbs once, transporting my friend's bike after the derailleur snapped. I was lucky there were no steep hills on that one.
Had to stiffen my suspension for that.
My country is pretty flat I guess there's probably only 4 steep hills in the whole place and I don't think it can really compare to some of the roads I've seen in pictures of San Francisco
@@Rose_Butterfly98 my old bike commuting to photo shoots here: czcams.com/video/9-82-iF7Lds/video.html
Can definitely co-sign getting a spare hanger immediately. Mine have proved to be really snappy :)
snappy as in the hanger breaks easily?
@@JakeRidesBikez Yeah, unfortunately. There doesn't seem to be any "give" to them at all, every time the bike has fallen it's either broken (3 times, my fault for sure) or left completely undamaged no middle ground.
Seems to be a combination of the material (cnc aluminum I think?) and a _very_ sharp right angle to get around the frame, which is precisely where all of them broke.
To be clear, I LOVE this bike, but never leave home without a spare hanger. Have replaced one in the middle of a 200km ride 🙃
Broke mine as well and had to run SS for over a year due to zero availability on replacement. Ended up building another bike so the super pro has gone on permanent commuter duty but I think it's s shame, nice bike with Achilles heel.
i thought of the bike as undergeared☠️
Which would be better option between this and a Surly Straggler?
Whichever you can find. All City is closing.
I'm from over the pond - what does Party Pace mean? You take it easy? You're not about hurrying? I always wondered. For those coming to the UK wanting to tour, East Anglia is the flat area here. From Lincolnshire to Essex and Kent, it's mostly low gradients. For hill seekers, kotm's, the West is best. From Cornwall/Kernow to Cumbria, Scotland and Wales and the North West you will get your fix.
Not Russ, but you got it. "Party pace" to me means that it's not about going fast, but about enjoying the ride and not losing any people you might be riding with.
It means noncompetitive riding, not focused on speed, Strava leaderboards, or watts generated. Russ has stated that the term is a bit quirky, but the channel is targeting noncompetitive cyclists.
Important Spec: COMPLETE MSRP $1850 USD | $2399 CAD
Drop bar elitist. Perfect explanation 🤣
AC actually don't recommend running it as a fixie due to the high torque on the fancy dropout.
I was curious how well those rear dropouts work, doesn't surprise me that people have reported slippage in some setups (I would imagine especially fixed gear). Go to 7:07 for Russ's discussion. All-City doesn't have the best track record with their disc brake/single-speed dropout designs. the O.G. Nature Boy Disc had horizontal dropouts yet shipped with a quick-release hub that slipped a lot for many people, often bending and damaging the integrated frame chain tensioner bolts. The newer Nature Cross Singlespeed has had issues with slipping in it's updated design that uses an eccentric bottom bracket to enable thru-axles on the rear.
Seems like the best offering so far was running the O.G. Nature Boy Disc with a dedicated singlespeed hub with meaty axle bolts but that requires building a whole new wheelset with expensive hub options from manufacturers like Hope ($220+) and White Industries (~$170)
I have a green 853 Nature Boy and I put a Surly Tugnut on it which fixed the issue. Surly and AC also make nice fixed hubs if someone considers going that route.
It is also the best-riding bike I’ve ever been on.
@@tylergoesbiking I have the same one! yes, that bike is tight. re: fixed hubs, the only limiting factor is that they have to be 135mm OLD :/ whereas track hubs are 120mm
@@JakeRidesBikez surly makes a 130 and 135old fixed/free hub
It is 3 lbs heavier than my folding bike with 20" wheels. I love my little folder, go everywhere with it.
I can see why they geared it that way, it's more likely for the commuter aspect. If you lived in a hilly city you'd be screwed or have legs like a body builder.
Why is it so heavy? My large 29+ with 3" tires only weighs 20lbs
Is it carbon?
@@PathLessPedaledTV - Titanium with carbon wheels
Flat bars are crappy
Can’t make everyone happy.